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    Denver at Oakland (12/06/2012)

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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 9:48 AM ET #76

    Short week, divisional game. Thursday night football... death of Coach Allen's father. I think the raiders come to play tonight for pride and for their coach. Might not win but I can see them covering at home. They've been getting blown out in the first half of games for the past two months. Hopefully they can put one together tonight. I'll take the points. 
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    Short week, divisional game. Thursday night football... death of Coach Allen's father. I think the raiders come to play tonight for pride and for their coach. Might not win but I can see them covering at home. They've been getting blown out in the first half of games for the past two months. Hopefully they can put one together tonight. I'll take the points. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 10:07 AM ET #77

    why even suit up Raiders?

    just cant see it happening. they cant stop anything.

    they might get MC fadden back tonight but,so what?

    Palmer gives up at 2 int's per game and that puts em in a hole. Manning will torch em with passing alone.

    Broncs 34-14
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    why even suit up Raiders?

    just cant see it happening. they cant stop anything.

    they might get MC fadden back tonight but,so what?

    Palmer gives up at 2 int's per game and that puts em in a hole. Manning will torch em with passing alone.

    Broncs 34-14
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 10:27 AM ET #78

    Raiders on a teaser card

    15+  -  17+
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    Raiders on a teaser card

    15+  -  17+
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 12:04 PM ET #79

    DENVER -10
    UNDER 48.5



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    DENVER -10
    UNDER 48.5



     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 12:23 PM ET #80

    You guys are funny have it all figured out taking dogs every thurs here's a secrect the books job isn't to take the public money it's to take gamblers money I guess youll just chase this lost with Phi next week no less Denver's the play and I'm glad to see so much love for the other sider push it closer please
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    You guys are funny have it all figured out taking dogs every thurs here's a secrect the books job isn't to take the public money it's to take gamblers money I guess youll just chase this lost with Phi next week no less Denver's the play and I'm glad to see so much love for the other sider push it closer please
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 12:26 PM ET #81

    Denver 36

    Oakland 17

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    Denver 36

    Oakland 17

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 12:29 PM ET #82

    This game will be if I may coin a phrase a "reverse fix" like the opposite of Dallas vs. Phi last sunday BOL gentlemen
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    This game will be if I may coin a phrase a "reverse fix" like the opposite of Dallas vs. Phi last sunday BOL gentlemen
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 12:47 PM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizerguy:


    Really ?...KC defense plays hard and they get sacks every game? What happened in week 8 when Oakland smoked them 28-16. What happened in week 11 when the  Bengals and the Red Rifle put 28 on that defense. Didn't Buffalo at one time put 28 on them also. TBay slammed them for 38 .

    Hey... did you see Rivers Sunday afternoon throwing water ballons at Cincys defense. He put 30 on KC with that rubber band arm of his.  Every game means every game. I didn't see to many sacks in those games. Maybe  Defensive Sacks is not the stat you're lookin for...try Defensive sucks. 

    We all know Oakland will not win this one. However, Manning will person out toward the end of the game on a short week and hand the reins over to his defense to pay Vegas this time.

    Oakland +1.5

    Its called turnovers! Ever hear of them? lol KC got drilled against those teams you mentioned because of a ton of turnovers. Cassel was also starting all those games and either threw a pick or fumbled. Short field puts tons of pressure on a D. Plus I recall in most of those games they either had a fumble or int run back for TDs. So KC defense is actually pretty good. Games that have been close for them they have limited the mistakes. Defense is pretty good for KC as long as the offense hangs on to the ball. Denvers' high powered offense only scored 17 against them. Before you open your mouth have some facts in front of you.
    “You don’t get what you hope for, you get what you work for!”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizerguy:


    Really ?...KC defense plays hard and they get sacks every game? What happened in week 8 when Oakland smoked them 28-16. What happened in week 11 when the  Bengals and the Red Rifle put 28 on that defense. Didn't Buffalo at one time put 28 on them also. TBay slammed them for 38 .

    Hey... did you see Rivers Sunday afternoon throwing water ballons at Cincys defense. He put 30 on KC with that rubber band arm of his.  Every game means every game. I didn't see to many sacks in those games. Maybe  Defensive Sacks is not the stat you're lookin for...try Defensive sucks. 

    We all know Oakland will not win this one. However, Manning will person out toward the end of the game on a short week and hand the reins over to his defense to pay Vegas this time.

    Oakland +1.5

    Its called turnovers! Ever hear of them? lol KC got drilled against those teams you mentioned because of a ton of turnovers. Cassel was also starting all those games and either threw a pick or fumbled. Short field puts tons of pressure on a D. Plus I recall in most of those games they either had a fumble or int run back for TDs. So KC defense is actually pretty good. Games that have been close for them they have limited the mistakes. Defense is pretty good for KC as long as the offense hangs on to the ball. Denvers' high powered offense only scored 17 against them. Before you open your mouth have some facts in front of you.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 1:45 PM ET #84

    Oakland covers tonight, I'd imagine at local spots you can get them by game time at +13

    Oakland will try to play keep away with the running game and passing to its now healthy backs. Denver clinched the division Sunday... all of their playmakers are young and won't play with the same motivation. Oakland gets a boost of confidence now that DMC and Goodson are back.

    Plus this is the first week that the Raiders get back to back home games. They have had a brutal schedule and will be more rested than Denver. Also Jacob Tamme will have a good game tonight, they'll also try some new things getting ready for the playoffs.

    I don't see Denver having an edge off a short week, playing a division game on the road, and having clinched the division last week... Plus 10.5 now, Plus 13 later.

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    Oakland covers tonight, I'd imagine at local spots you can get them by game time at +13

    Oakland will try to play keep away with the running game and passing to its now healthy backs. Denver clinched the division Sunday... all of their playmakers are young and won't play with the same motivation. Oakland gets a boost of confidence now that DMC and Goodson are back.

    Plus this is the first week that the Raiders get back to back home games. They have had a brutal schedule and will be more rested than Denver. Also Jacob Tamme will have a good game tonight, they'll also try some new things getting ready for the playoffs.

    I don't see Denver having an edge off a short week, playing a division game on the road, and having clinched the division last week... Plus 10.5 now, Plus 13 later.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 1:58 PM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by dustyvaultz:

    You guys are funny have it all figured out taking dogs every thurs here's a secrect the books job isn't to take the public money it's to take gamblers money I guess youll just chase this lost with Phi next week no less Denver's the play and I'm glad to see so much love for the other sider push it closer please

    logic of a moron.

    here's a news flash for you they can only take money from those that gamble.

     I didnt see anyone saying take the dog every Thursday and the under is the best play tonight.  DEN will not have Manning throw 40 times in a short week for a game that has little meaning overall.  The game is more important to OAK with jobs on the line while I expect DEN will play good enough to win and try to keep from getting hurt.  running game for both teams is what you will see 
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyvaultz:

    You guys are funny have it all figured out taking dogs every thurs here's a secrect the books job isn't to take the public money it's to take gamblers money I guess youll just chase this lost with Phi next week no less Denver's the play and I'm glad to see so much love for the other sider push it closer please

    logic of a moron.

    here's a news flash for you they can only take money from those that gamble.

     I didnt see anyone saying take the dog every Thursday and the under is the best play tonight.  DEN will not have Manning throw 40 times in a short week for a game that has little meaning overall.  The game is more important to OAK with jobs on the line while I expect DEN will play good enough to win and try to keep from getting hurt.  running game for both teams is what you will see 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 2:03 PM ET #86

    Quote Originally Posted by PGAromes82:


    Its called turnovers! Ever hear of them? lol KC got drilled against those teams you mentioned because of a ton of turnovers. Cassel was also starting all those games and either threw a pick or fumbled. Short field puts tons of pressure on a D. Plus I recall in most of those games they either had a fumble or int run back for TDs. So KC defense is actually pretty good. Games that have been close for them they have limited the mistakes. Defense is pretty good for KC as long as the offense hangs on to the ball. Denvers' high powered offense only scored 17 against them. Before you open your mouth have some facts in front of you.





    I could say the same to you KC sucks on both sides of the ball.  whne you play one of the worst teams in the NFL you dont play with your A game or A game plan.  and that keeps KC in games enough to cover 5 


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    Quote Originally Posted by PGAromes82:


    Its called turnovers! Ever hear of them? lol KC got drilled against those teams you mentioned because of a ton of turnovers. Cassel was also starting all those games and either threw a pick or fumbled. Short field puts tons of pressure on a D. Plus I recall in most of those games they either had a fumble or int run back for TDs. So KC defense is actually pretty good. Games that have been close for them they have limited the mistakes. Defense is pretty good for KC as long as the offense hangs on to the ball. Denvers' high powered offense only scored 17 against them. Before you open your mouth have some facts in front of you.





    I could say the same to you KC sucks on both sides of the ball.  whne you play one of the worst teams in the NFL you dont play with your A game or A game plan.  and that keeps KC in games enough to cover 5 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 2:04 PM ET #87

    *enough to cover 5 times this year out of 12 games
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    *enough to cover 5 times this year out of 12 games
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 2:34 PM ET #88

    Quote Originally Posted by binger1:

    Tough one to pick.I've put money on denver 3 wks in a row now and lost 2 and pushed 1. They win the game but their terrible at covering.LEANING RAIDERS HERE +10.5

    Agreed
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    Quote Originally Posted by binger1:

    Tough one to pick.I've put money on denver 3 wks in a row now and lost 2 and pushed 1. They win the game but their terrible at covering.LEANING RAIDERS HERE +10.5

    Agreed
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 3:03 PM ET #89

    Quote Originally Posted by best_bets:

    So, you have watched your team reel off 7 in a row and now you are going to take the points and the Raiders............it's what true fans do right?????......bet against their team.............true fan. I am a fan as well duh and when I don't like them in a situation I don't play them. I like this situation. Denver

    Well that's you. I still root for my team but making money & being a fan are 2 separate topics. Too many people lose money because they bet with their hearts. I still think Denver will win but not by more than 10.5. The Broncos have given up points late in games the last 2 weeks to either push or lose the cover

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    Quote Originally Posted by best_bets:

    So, you have watched your team reel off 7 in a row and now you are going to take the points and the Raiders............it's what true fans do right?????......bet against their team.............true fan. I am a fan as well duh and when I don't like them in a situation I don't play them. I like this situation. Denver

    Well that's you. I still root for my team but making money & being a fan are 2 separate topics. Too many people lose money because they bet with their hearts. I still think Denver will win but not by more than 10.5. The Broncos have given up points late in games the last 2 weeks to either push or lose the cover

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 3:20 PM ET #90

    Quote Originally Posted by GordoPockets:

    If you feel you have to buy points on any bet, you probably shouldn't bet the game... 4.5% vig is enough to be giving.

    its to save your behind if they only win by 10, you probably dont win to many bets young fella
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoPockets:

    If you feel you have to buy points on any bet, you probably shouldn't bet the game... 4.5% vig is enough to be giving.

    its to save your behind if they only win by 10, you probably dont win to many bets young fella
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 3:50 PM ET #91

    DENVER -10   O
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    DENVER -10   O
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vue21849:

    Reason: angle  Comments:  Since 2010, home dogs of 7.5 points and higher, have covered at the phenomenal rate of 82.4 % ATS. As always, LISTEN TO THE DOCTOR, and please fade me_I need your money!

    OAKLAND  + 10.5

    Ok Vue We're going to follow you with Oakland. Even if your 3-17 in your last picks. You're the Man !! Although, it's hard to bet against my man Manning and that Denver D might only give up 10 points. And you say Over ?? Ok my man, you're the Best Bro Ever !! Even if the Unders have been hitting strong in the last two weeks? Ok my Man. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by vue21849:

    Reason: angle  Comments:  Since 2010, home dogs of 7.5 points and higher, have covered at the phenomenal rate of 82.4 % ATS. As always, LISTEN TO THE DOCTOR, and please fade me_I need your money!

    OAKLAND  + 10.5

    Ok Vue We're going to follow you with Oakland. Even if your 3-17 in your last picks. You're the Man !! Although, it's hard to bet against my man Manning and that Denver D might only give up 10 points. And you say Over ?? Ok my man, you're the Best Bro Ever !! Even if the Unders have been hitting strong in the last two weeks? Ok my Man. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 3:53 PM ET #93

    About once or twice a year I get this feeling and it's always right........I'm loading up tonight

    Oakland +475 
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    About once or twice a year I get this feeling and it's always right........I'm loading up tonight

    Oakland +475 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsPredictor:

    Gold Sheet Runs with "Suspicious" Denver:

    Denver 32 at Oakland 15  "Any takers for Oakland? Raiders' SU and spread losing streak...now at 5, with rumors that Mark Davis might channel his late papa AL and hit the "eject" button on first-year HC Dennis Allen, whose familiarity with former employer Denver (where he was defensive coordinator LY) sure didn't help in Oakland's 36-6 loss at Invesco Field Sept. 30.

    Leaky Raider secondary (24 TDP allowed) becomes even bigger liability vs. on-fire Peyton Manning, who was 30 for 39 for 338 YP in the first meeting, when he had enough time in the pocket to film another Buick commercial.  Denver remains motivated for chance at first-round playoff bye.  TV--NFL NETWORK"

    That's nice. Real nice.  But "on-fire" Manning now 0-3 vs. point spread last three games.  And Peyton Manning passing for 995 yards and putting up six touchdowns in one game, isn't worth a nickel in Chinese money.  If Denver was a 38 point favorite, the only thing that matters is them winning the game by 39 points!  True, Manning might bury the spread tomorrow night by 27 points, but I won't be watching to find out.

    Binger1's comment above is 100% correct!  She was even brave enough to say she lost both games on Denver, something only one in 50,000 people are willing to do.  And both of those games were suspicious!  Denver was "frozen solid" for two hours at 17 to 9 in the KC game...and the game ended right there, two points under the spread!  I feel for binger1 because she had her hard-earned money stolen from her...as far as I'm concerned!

    And with San Diego, Denver "froze itself solid" at 31 points. And with less than two minutes in the game, San Diego scored a touchdown and covered the spread...by one half of a point.  Denver favored by 7.5 lost by exactly 7 points. 

    Respectfully disagree with mgmprofits in post #43, above, that it's 100% fixed.  But mgmprofits no "conspiracy theorist."  He knows exactly what he's talking about!  And there are two, three or four teams that must be put on a "No Bet" list. And Denver's one of them.

    Vegas line people don't carry football lines in one hand and Bibles in the other.  Their goal is to take the public down for tens of billions of dollars.  And a sports bettor's goal is to dodge their bullets, and try to pick winners.  And that's not easy.

     

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    This is good stuff Bro. Denver should score easily against this weak Oakland D. Denver LARGE
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsPredictor:

    Gold Sheet Runs with "Suspicious" Denver:

    Denver 32 at Oakland 15  "Any takers for Oakland? Raiders' SU and spread losing streak...now at 5, with rumors that Mark Davis might channel his late papa AL and hit the "eject" button on first-year HC Dennis Allen, whose familiarity with former employer Denver (where he was defensive coordinator LY) sure didn't help in Oakland's 36-6 loss at Invesco Field Sept. 30.

    Leaky Raider secondary (24 TDP allowed) becomes even bigger liability vs. on-fire Peyton Manning, who was 30 for 39 for 338 YP in the first meeting, when he had enough time in the pocket to film another Buick commercial.  Denver remains motivated for chance at first-round playoff bye.  TV--NFL NETWORK"

    That's nice. Real nice.  But "on-fire" Manning now 0-3 vs. point spread last three games.  And Peyton Manning passing for 995 yards and putting up six touchdowns in one game, isn't worth a nickel in Chinese money.  If Denver was a 38 point favorite, the only thing that matters is them winning the game by 39 points!  True, Manning might bury the spread tomorrow night by 27 points, but I won't be watching to find out.

    Binger1's comment above is 100% correct!  She was even brave enough to say she lost both games on Denver, something only one in 50,000 people are willing to do.  And both of those games were suspicious!  Denver was "frozen solid" for two hours at 17 to 9 in the KC game...and the game ended right there, two points under the spread!  I feel for binger1 because she had her hard-earned money stolen from her...as far as I'm concerned!

    And with San Diego, Denver "froze itself solid" at 31 points. And with less than two minutes in the game, San Diego scored a touchdown and covered the spread...by one half of a point.  Denver favored by 7.5 lost by exactly 7 points. 

    Respectfully disagree with mgmprofits in post #43, above, that it's 100% fixed.  But mgmprofits no "conspiracy theorist."  He knows exactly what he's talking about!  And there are two, three or four teams that must be put on a "No Bet" list. And Denver's one of them.

    Vegas line people don't carry football lines in one hand and Bibles in the other.  Their goal is to take the public down for tens of billions of dollars.  And a sports bettor's goal is to dodge their bullets, and try to pick winners.  And that's not easy.

     

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    This is good stuff Bro. Denver should score easily against this weak Oakland D. Denver LARGE
     
    THE_KIDD
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 3:56 PM ET #95

    DENVER -10   O

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    DENVER -10   O

     
    3Fiddy
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 4:09 PM ET #96

    Quote Originally Posted by booyahz123:


    logic of a moron.

    here's a news flash for you they can only take money from those that gamble.

     I didnt see anyone saying take the dog every Thursday and the under is the best play tonight.  DEN will not have Manning throw 40 times in a short week for a game that has little meaning overall.  The game is more important to OAK with jobs on the line while I expect DEN will play good enough to win and try to keep from getting hurt.  running game for both teams is what you will see 

    Your logic is pretty dumb as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booyahz123:


    logic of a moron.

    here's a news flash for you they can only take money from those that gamble.

     I didnt see anyone saying take the dog every Thursday and the under is the best play tonight.  DEN will not have Manning throw 40 times in a short week for a game that has little meaning overall.  The game is more important to OAK with jobs on the line while I expect DEN will play good enough to win and try to keep from getting hurt.  running game for both teams is what you will see 

    Your logic is pretty dumb as well.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 4:47 PM ET #97

    Quote Originally Posted by UHQB:

    This is good stuff Bro. Denver should score easily against this weak Oakland D. Denver LARGE

    Can't argue with a confident man UHQB!  I've seen many of your picks on covers...and they're damn good!  I won't have a dog in this fight, so all on Denver or Oakland, I wish Good Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UHQB:

    This is good stuff Bro. Denver should score easily against this weak Oakland D. Denver LARGE

    Can't argue with a confident man UHQB!  I've seen many of your picks on covers...and they're damn good!  I won't have a dog in this fight, so all on Denver or Oakland, I wish Good Luck.

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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 4:48 PM ET #98

    Quote Originally Posted by moneymagoo:

    Look people last week all the games but one fell to a 4 team teaser you could have had either side (the bengals were the one) just something to think about when you call THE MAN.

    TEASERES

    2team move 3pt  3 team move 6pt  4 team move 12pt

    Totally agree with ya...teaser play pays just as good as a parlay...dont try to win all the games..just 2-3-4 double and bet and make 
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    Quote Originally Posted by moneymagoo:

    Look people last week all the games but one fell to a 4 team teaser you could have had either side (the bengals were the one) just something to think about when you call THE MAN.

    TEASERES

    2team move 3pt  3 team move 6pt  4 team move 12pt

    Totally agree with ya...teaser play pays just as good as a parlay...dont try to win all the games..just 2-3-4 double and bet and make 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 4:58 PM ET #99

    Quote Originally Posted by MAXYBETTER:

    its to save your behind if they only win by 10, you probably dont win to many bets young fella

    I know what it's for... And I may be young but you may not be a very good gambler... Every book loves people like you that are willing to give them an extra 4.5% advantage. All I'm saying is why put yourself at even more of a disadvantage? To take it to an extreme what if they don't cover by 2 points does that mean you should buy 2.5 points? No.

    Get my point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAXYBETTER:

    its to save your behind if they only win by 10, you probably dont win to many bets young fella

    I know what it's for... And I may be young but you may not be a very good gambler... Every book loves people like you that are willing to give them an extra 4.5% advantage. All I'm saying is why put yourself at even more of a disadvantage? To take it to an extreme what if they don't cover by 2 points does that mean you should buy 2.5 points? No.

    Get my point?
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2012 - 5:10 PM ET #100

    Quote Originally Posted by 3Fiddy:


    Your logic is pretty dumb as well.

    another moron speaks.  My take on this game is accurate, maybe you should just sit this one out and watch
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Fiddy:


    Your logic is pretty dumb as well.

    another moron speaks.  My take on this game is accurate, maybe you should just sit this one out and watch
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