Posted:
#776
Damn the Yale line was -6 at tip-off at bet rivers for me.
L2T Conference Betting Thread
Posted:
#777
Play #3 - Harvard -2.5 x 2.5U
-Harvard wants to play YALE their deep rival and they will not overlook Penn because they got beat by them in a tight game
- I like this line now that it is under 3 pts because Harvard has a stronger defense and #2 FT team in the land ....Penn's defense is good but not as good as Harvard's so Harvard can mix up their play calls and put them on their heels forcing them to fould later in the game as well.....Penn is ranked #307 FT and that is a HUGE difference in a tight game
I will definitely play a winning margin bet as well ....split a HALF U
$20 Penn winning margin by 1-2 pts @ +1000
$30 Harvard winning margin by 1-2 pts @ +1000
This looks like it could be my play of the day with some nice angles here or I lose it all with a Penn win by -3 ??
I like the risk feel on this one !
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Posted:
#780
Quote Originally Posted by nolemonasses:
Are you saying the move would have been to do winning margin instead of yale-6? It was a no bet at -6 for me
Are you saying the move would have been to do winning margin instead of yale-6? It was a no bet at -6 for me
No... you confuse my last play suggestion with Yale game..... Look at my Harvard proposition
But, I agree with Yale -6 ....getting steep in a CONFERENCE game where the dog has beaten them already and believe
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Posted:
#782
Quote Originally Posted by Last2thirst:
Strong Lean to DAYTON +5.5 ....mulling and watching the line -they are on a mission and I have noticed....their only chance to get to the dance in my opinion is knocking off St. Louis and possibly winning their Conference Final -St.Louis is in guaranteed so, I definitely lean the motivation and the fact that a check of neutral court games by ST.LOUIS shows they are tight games Also, Dayton's FT rank is twice as good and 75th ....they will work the inside to create foul trouble on ST.L bigs and reap the rewards
Strong Lean to DAYTON +5.5 ....mulling and watching the line -they are on a mission and I have noticed....their only chance to get to the dance in my opinion is knocking off St. Louis and possibly winning their Conference Final -St.Louis is in guaranteed so, I definitely lean the motivation and the fact that a check of neutral court games by ST.LOUIS shows they are tight games Also, Dayton's FT rank is twice as good and 75th ....they will work the inside to create foul trouble on ST.L bigs and reap the rewards
No play on Dayton??
Live play perhaps for me!
Posted:
#783
Quote Originally Posted by FelixFermin21:
Quote Originally Posted by Last2thirst: Strong Lean to DAYTON +5.5 ....mulling and watching the line -they are on a mission and I have noticed....their only chance to get to the dance in my opinion is knocking off St. Louis and possibly winning their Conference Final -St.Louis is in guaranteed so, I definitely lean the motivation and the fact that a check of neutral court games by ST.LOUIS shows they are tight games Also, Dayton's FT rank is twice as good and 75th ....they will work the inside to create foul trouble on ST.L bigs and reap the rewards No play on Dayton?? Live play perhaps for me!
Quote Originally Posted by Last2thirst: Strong Lean to DAYTON +5.5 ....mulling and watching the line -they are on a mission and I have noticed....their only chance to get to the dance in my opinion is knocking off St. Louis and possibly winning their Conference Final -St.Louis is in guaranteed so, I definitely lean the motivation and the fact that a check of neutral court games by ST.LOUIS shows they are tight games Also, Dayton's FT rank is twice as good and 75th ....they will work the inside to create foul trouble on ST.L bigs and reap the rewards No play on Dayton?? Live play perhaps for me!
I only played some parlays with some soccer plays which went to shit more than half of them (Saturday soccer is always suspect trying to combine favorites!!)
.... I won $1178 on a PICK5 and press DBL last night in horses so I drove the 10 km up to Woodbine track to go collect cash and go lay 2 nice PICK5 for Woodbine Mohawk harness races tonight..... I will post the picks in my harness thread
I love the spring for betting horses...all the young horses who don't show anything in qualifiers but have great breeding and solid trainers win races at 3-1 to 15-1 and I keyed one last night hitting 5-1 when it was a 10 -1 morning line.
Proving is hard. Talk is easy.
Posted:
#786
Today's results: - not sure I will play more....need to work on NCAAB prep instead and watch horses
Play #1 - Yale -4 x 1U 
OVER 163 x HALF U
Play #3 - Harvard -2.5 x 2.5U 
$20 Penn winning margin by 1-2 pts @ +1000 gain $220 back
$30 Harvard winning margin by 1-2 pts @ +1000 lose $30
Made close to $100 ....good enough
Enjoy your evening ....will post a play later if I get inspired by something...
Proving is hard. Talk is easy.
Posted:
#787
Just 10 teams to be chosen tomorrow after play. I have 58 teams with a seat ..........with 5 Finals to be determined without a seat for the loser which will make the 58 teams. Then the Committee has to decide on the 10 team playing.
I will provide my TOP TEAMS by WINNING POWER ....meaning, who they beat on their schedule with the following weighting:
-beat a Top 18 team = 2 pts
-beat a Top 19-36 team = 1 pt
-beat a Top 37- 69 team = 0.5 pt
***Bonus pts
+0.5 if neutral site game vs a top 69 team
+0.25 if win on the road vs a top 69 team
Note: - only 3 Conferences had the super rigorous schedules due to how tough their Conferences are so they are:
1 : 1 ratio for their final score
Big 10
SEC
BIG 12
All other Conferences are 2 : 1 ratio for final WINNING POWER RATIO
*** except WAC team > Gonzaga had a stiff Non Conf schedule but conference are not as strong
*** except UCONN and St.Johns who played an early stiff Non Conf schedule but conference not as strong
^^ these 3 teams are given a 3 : 2 ratio multiplier on their final WINNING POWER TOTAL
I have a lot of experience playing a lot of pools every year and there has to be a way to quantify and rate teams accordingly to determine THE VALUE of a spread in the matchups and I feel this final system will account for a true measure of how the teams FILTER in strenght relatively....
I am also preparing who beat who in the top 69 of any team in the Tourney .....and by how much....for my own help on determining terrible lines . I will post my list of Top 36 WINNING POWER teams (who have made the tourney already and beat a TOP 69 team )
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Posted:
#788
TOP 36 WINNING POWER TEAMS (17 teams have made tourney demonstrating 0 Winning Power pts except 1 team)
- will update this tomorrow to show all teams that have Winning Power Points
***note - no Conference games were included in team totals > just Conf and Non-Conf. schedule
#1 Duke 21.5
#2 Michigan 21.25
#3 UCONN 20.5
#4 Arizona 20.0
--------------------------
#5 Kansas 15.0
#6 TTech 14.75
#7 Florida 14.0
#8 Mich. St. 13.75
#9 Illinois 12.75
#10 Iowa St 12.5
#11 Purdue 12.25
#12 Gonz. 12
#13 Houston 11.75
#14 BYU 11.75
#15 Alabama 11.5
#16 Wiscon. 11.5
#17 St.Johns 10.5
#18 TCU 10.5
#19 UNC 10.5
#20 Vandy 10
< 10
Virgina 9.5
Tenn 9.25
Arkansas 9
Georgia 8.75
Clemson 8.5
Nebraska 8.5
Utah St 8
Kentucky 8
Louisville 8
UCLA 7.75
St.Marys 7
Ohio St 5.5
Villanova 5.5
Iowa 5
St.Louis 4.5
Miami 3.5
Proving is hard. Talk is easy.
Posted:
#789
Bubble teams with BEST WINNING POWER: SOS provided also
Auburn 9.25 (17 - 16) > #16 << YES
UCF 7.25 (21 - 11) > #47 << YES
Texas 6.75 (18 - 14) > #24 << YES
Cincy 6.25 (18 - 15) > #41
Missouri 6 (20 - 12) > #36
Oklahoma 5.75 (19 - 15) > #27 << YES
WVU 5.25 (18 - 14) > #60
Baylor 4.75 (16 - 16) > #32
TexAM 4.75 (21 - 11) > #33 << YES
NC St. 4.5 (20 - 13) > #34 << YES
Indiana 4.25 (18 - 14) > #28
VCU 4 (26 - 7) > #85 << YES
Seton H. 4 (21 - 12) > #66
New Mex 3.5 (22 - 7) > #84
SMU 3.5 (20 - 13) > #44 << YES
SDST 3 (22 - 11) > #76
Santa Cl 2 (26 - 8) > #79 << YES
Miami OH 0 (31 - 1) > #195 << YES
YES = who I think committee will end up picking ....hardest decisions will be on Indiana, Seton Hall, Missouri, Miami Ohio, Santa Clara and WVU
Committee has a mess to deal with..... and I have been shocked before but I went through all the teams on the bubble and who has WINNING POWER or a great record
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Posted:
#790
Another way of looking at the TOP teams and ordering them on how far they might go: - based on Quality Wins
'2' game = Top 20 win (using my unbiased ranking service that is based on power wins+ analytics)
'1' game = Top 21 - 40 win
*** this is more important than win/loss record*** (otherwise, name me the last 0x WP win team to get to Final Four? <<< you must get your 4 picks in your bracket to FINAL FOUR to cash a bracket pool!!!!)
Most 'Experienced' Winning Power Teams: ( '2' wins mean a higher rank position)
Michigan > 6x / 4x
Duke > 6x / 4x
Arizona > 5x / 5x
Mich St > 4x / 3x
Kansas > 4x / 3x
TTech > 4x / 2x
Wisc. > 4x / 1x
-----------------------
Florida > 3x / 5x
UCONN > 3x / 4x
Illinois > 3x / 3x
Purdue > 3x / 3x
Iowa St. > 3x / 3x
UNC > 3x / 3x
Alabama > 3x / 2x
TCU > 3x / 1x
Auburn > 3x / 1x << strong case to be in NCAAB tourney despite 17 - 16 record
UCLA > 3x / 0x
---------------------------- maybe teams to go far?
BYU > 2x / 4x
Kentucky > 2x / 4x
Tennessee >2x / 3x
Georgia > 2x / 3x
Houston > 2x / 1x
Nebraska > 2x / 1x
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Posted:
#791
Your Cinderella/'Maybe' teams: - bubble teams in blue font
Virginia > 1x / 5x
Vandy > 1x / 5x
Clemson > 1x / 4x
Gonzaga > 1x / 3x
St.Johns > 1x / 3x
Arkansas > 1x / 3x
Texas > 1x / 3x
Missouri > 1x / 3x
Ohio St > 1x / 2x
Cincy > 1x / 2x
UCF > 1x / 2x
St Marys > 1x / 1x
Indiana > 1x / 1x
Iowa > 1x / 0x
VTech > 1x / 0x
IF we base strongest/highest quality wins ....these teams should be in and that would reduce the guaranteed in pool to 56 teams so this leaves 12 teams to be added considering:
-all of the above bubble teams with 1x TOP 20 wins
-4 of the NON - TOP 20 wins in the list below (*** my big takeaway from doing this.....why is Miami so highly regarded and an instant add into the tourney??? 0x / 1x <<< )
*** further adds list - Pick 4 more (with few high quality wins but great records /competitiveness)
Miami ?
St. Louis?
VCU ?
Santa Clara?
Miami Ohio?
So who is going to be left out? My gut says one of: Miami Ohio, Santa Clara, VTECH
Proving is hard. Talk is easy.
Posted:
#792
Whether Dayton or VCU wins, Wichita or USF and Penn or Yale wins....doesn't matter ....but the only team out of those that has a shot of getting in despite losing their Conference Final are
VCU > 0x / 2x quality wins
South Florida > they have 0x / 1x for quality wins and would have to be considered if they lost (above Miami Ohio?)
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Posted:
#793
Action for Today - Sunday:
Play #1 - UNDER 165.5 x HALF U - Vandy/Arky
-too high for a final unless it goes to OT
Play #2 - parlay Michigan ML 1.38 x Michigan Under 149.5 @1.9 > pays +162 x 1.5U
also - hedge same parlay but with Michigan OVER 149.5 x HALF U << will get back about 40% of money if I lose above bet which is not too bad to take a stab at it
Proving is hard. Talk is easy.
> hope I get them both
Posted:
#798
Ready and primed for NCAAB tourney + all others (NIT, CBB, etc) - all my work should lead to having an edge more than likely but you can be 'over prepared' sometimes in betting and I know this with horses (it happened last night as I forgot to take a top trainer horse with a strong driver rated not too highly in a tough race BUT the horse/driver/trainer combo won at 40 - 1 and I was intending to use the horse in a PICK3 but got lost in my betting plan that I had on paper!)
Action for Today - Sunday:
Play #1 - UNDER 165.5 x HALF U - Vandy/Arky
-too high for a final unless it goes to OT
--------------------------------------------------- up next .....
Play #2 - parlay Michigan ML 1.38 x Michigan Under 149.5 @1.9 > pays +162 x 1.5U
also - hedge same parlay but with Michigan OVER 149.5 x HALF U
Proving is hard. Talk is easy.
Posted:
#800
Auburn, Cincy and WVU all have a case to be made .....played and defeated tougher regularly but as per tradition, the committee rewards WINNING in crap conferences who never step out and play tougher competition
Now, concerning capping. You have to realize, teams are going to be playing a NON CONFERENCE SCHEDULE here .....so my Nov 1 - Dec 26 spreadsheet applies. << this is an advantage!!
Also, spreads are going to matter where Vegas sets them and I will bring those up as well.
I would not be too worried about jumping on early lines.... take time and dive into a matchup! I will be likely playing DOUBLE UP rules so, if I lose 3x , I lose 7 UNITS .....but only if I get off to a +3-5U start possibly ...mulling the idea but going to first of all line up my matchup charts and then prep each first round game as a win or lose situation and I DO NOT CARE ABOUT fishing for upsets....they will come regardless
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