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    usakangy
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:40 PM ET #26

    It would be logical to pick Carolina in this situation -1/2, but this system is somewhat of a contrarian system.  You would pick the other side.  I think the question is which is more likely to occur, TB to cover the +1/2 or Carolina to cover by 13, to get within +1 for game.
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    It would be logical to pick Carolina in this situation -1/2, but this system is somewhat of a contrarian system.  You would pick the other side.  I think the question is which is more likely to occur, TB to cover the +1/2 or Carolina to cover by 13, to get within +1 for game.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:40 PM ET #27

    isnt this the system where Indy is a 2nd H play?
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    isnt this the system where Indy is a 2nd H play?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:41 PM ET #28

    BOL guys. DAWG thanks for the posting, appreciate it
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    BOL guys. DAWG thanks for the posting, appreciate it
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:41 PM ET #29

    good luck on these
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    good luck on these
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:43 PM ET #30

    I have Indy at PK... But the play wpuld still be Indy PK, over/under 17.  WOW, someone is hammering these sides.  I think the big bettors are on to Porky's system LOL
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    I have Indy at PK... But the play wpuld still be Indy PK, over/under 17.  WOW, someone is hammering these sides.  I think the big bettors are on to Porky's system LOL
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:44 PM ET #31

    hope you all took HOU..they scored already..
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    hope you all took HOU..they scored already..
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:44 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Upside:

    wrong line on Indy game 2 nd h


    Very helpful, thank you. 

    That's what the line was first posted at on Greek... it moved quickly. It made no difference in the play... Indy is still the play.

    new calcs:

    Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Line Indy -3.5/38.5
    Half Score: Indy 24-0
    2H Line: BALls -0.5/19.5
    Middle: 21 spread, 5 total
    Play: Indy +2.5 2H, no total
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upside:

    wrong line on Indy game 2 nd h


    Very helpful, thank you. 

    That's what the line was first posted at on Greek... it moved quickly. It made no difference in the play... Indy is still the play.

    new calcs:

    Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Line Indy -3.5/38.5
    Half Score: Indy 24-0
    2H Line: BALls -0.5/19.5
    Middle: 21 spread, 5 total
    Play: Indy +2.5 2H, no total
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:45 PM ET #33

    Which one of you guys changed the Indy side and totals by 2+ points? 
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:46 PM ET #34

    curt:  You're correct, it seems a little odd on games with big blow-out halves like that, but the system is to miss the middle.  If Carolina scores 1 more point than Tampa Bay, the middle hits.  If TB outscores Carolina by 1 point, the middle misses.

    Final card for early games:
    • Oak/NO 2H under 22.5
    • Det/Minn 2H under 20
    • Chi/Atl 2H under 20.5
    • Tampa Bay +0.5 2H
    • Indy +2.5 2H
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    curt:  You're correct, it seems a little odd on games with big blow-out halves like that, but the system is to miss the middle.  If Carolina scores 1 more point than Tampa Bay, the middle hits.  If TB outscores Carolina by 1 point, the middle misses.

    Final card for early games:
    • Oak/NO 2H under 22.5
    • Det/Minn 2H under 20
    • Chi/Atl 2H under 20.5
    • Tampa Bay +0.5 2H
    • Indy +2.5 2H
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:47 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by usakangy:

    Which one of you guys changed the Indy side and totals by 2+ points? 



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    Quote Originally Posted by usakangy:

    Which one of you guys changed the Indy side and totals by 2+ points? 



     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:49 PM ET #36

    wow, I didn't notice the total had changed, too.  Still a no-play, though.  Here's the re-corrected numbers:

    Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Line Indy -3.5/38.5
    Half Score: Indy 24-0
    2H Line: BALls -0.5/17.5
    Middle: 21 spread, 3 total
    Play: Indy +2.5 2H, no total
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    wow, I didn't notice the total had changed, too.  Still a no-play, though.  Here's the re-corrected numbers:

    Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Line Indy -3.5/38.5
    Half Score: Indy 24-0
    2H Line: BALls -0.5/17.5
    Middle: 21 spread, 3 total
    Play: Indy +2.5 2H, no total
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:51 PM ET #37

    • Oak/NO 2H under 22.5
    • Det/Minn 2H under 20
    • Chi/Atl 2H under 20.5
    • Tampa Bay +0.5 2H
    • Indy +2.5 2H
    BOL 
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    • Oak/NO 2H under 22.5
    • Det/Minn 2H under 20
    • Chi/Atl 2H under 20.5
    • Tampa Bay +0.5 2H
    • Indy +2.5 2H
    BOL 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:51 PM ET #38

    Heavin 
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:55 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by usakangy:

    It would be logical to pick Carolina in this situation -1/2, but this system is somewhat of a contrarian system.  You would pick the other side.  I think the question is which is more likely to occur, TB to cover the +1/2 or Carolina to cover by 13, to get within +1 for game.


    That's it exactly. 

    The system would say to choose the side that will make missing the middle the easiest, but if you look at it and think its more likely to miss the middle the other way, then you make the bet in the opposite direction.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by usakangy:

    It would be logical to pick Carolina in this situation -1/2, but this system is somewhat of a contrarian system.  You would pick the other side.  I think the question is which is more likely to occur, TB to cover the +1/2 or Carolina to cover by 13, to get within +1 for game.


    That's it exactly. 

    The system would say to choose the side that will make missing the middle the easiest, but if you look at it and think its more likely to miss the middle the other way, then you make the bet in the opposite direction.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:55 PM ET #40

    I have to wonder those about the NFl and the large spread, That is a 21 point middle in the NFL. While it is easier for Indy to tie in the 2H, it may be just as likely that Indy starts to sit out the first stringers late into the 4th, thus allowing Baltimore to cover.  We shall see. 

    Iron dog... I want to use a subset of this data.  I would like to use only games where there is more than a touchdown pointspread for 2H lines and using no 10 point middle and see where this goes.  This is a trial

    The lines I want to watch are:

    STL / WAS
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    DET / MIN


    St. Louis @ Washington - Line Wash -12/44
    Half Score: STL 10-7
    2H Line: Wash -7/21
    Middle: 8 spread, 6 total
    Play: St. Louis +7
     
    Detroit @ Minnesota - Line Minn. -13/44.5
    Half Score: Det. 3-2
    2H Line: Minn -7/20
    Middle: 5 spread, 19 total
    Play: Detroit +7

    These plays will NOT be added to the day's results.....
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    I have to wonder those about the NFl and the large spread, That is a 21 point middle in the NFL. While it is easier for Indy to tie in the 2H, it may be just as likely that Indy starts to sit out the first stringers late into the 4th, thus allowing Baltimore to cover.  We shall see. 

    Iron dog... I want to use a subset of this data.  I would like to use only games where there is more than a touchdown pointspread for 2H lines and using no 10 point middle and see where this goes.  This is a trial

    The lines I want to watch are:

    STL / WAS
    and
    DET / MIN


    St. Louis @ Washington - Line Wash -12/44
    Half Score: STL 10-7
    2H Line: Wash -7/21
    Middle: 8 spread, 6 total
    Play: St. Louis +7
     
    Detroit @ Minnesota - Line Minn. -13/44.5
    Half Score: Det. 3-2
    2H Line: Minn -7/20
    Middle: 5 spread, 19 total
    Play: Detroit +7

    These plays will NOT be added to the day's results.....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:56 PM ET #41

    where did you get IND +2.5?  I got it at a pick, but still took it...and they are on the 1 yard line..make that TD..INDY!!
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    where did you get IND +2.5?  I got it at a pick, but still took it...and they are on the 1 yard line..make that TD..INDY!!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:58 PM ET #42

      LOL  That's it baby!  HEHEHEHEHE!  Go Indy!
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      LOL  That's it baby!  HEHEHEHEHE!  Go Indy!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 3:00 PM ET #43

    Yeah, Det scored TD and STL just scored FG early on.. HMMMM!!! 
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    Yeah, Det scored TD and STL just scored FG early on.. HMMMM!!! 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 3:05 PM ET #44

    Vols:  That's how the line was initially posted on the Greek.  When I re-checked it about 20 seconds later, it had already moved to +0.5 for Indy.

    Kangy: 
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    Vols:  That's how the line was initially posted on the Greek.  When I re-checked it about 20 seconds later, it had already moved to +0.5 for Indy.

    Kangy: 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 3:10 PM ET #45

    Both sides looking good so far, all 3 totals looking in trouble so far. 

    Long way to go, though...
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    Both sides looking good so far, all 3 totals looking in trouble so far. 

    Long way to go, though...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 3:11 PM ET #46

    Does anybody have the record from yesturday in college cause I was not around to follow. And if possible I would like to know the record for spread and totals seperately.  If im not mistaken overall the record is better for spreads than totals.

     

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    Does anybody have the record from yesturday in college cause I was not around to follow. And if possible I would like to know the record for spread and totals seperately.  If im not mistaken overall the record is better for spreads than totals.

     

    Thanks

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 3:12 PM ET #47

    I remember last week in NFL it was better in sides than in totals.
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 3:17 PM ET #48

    Sides and Totals have been pretty close on the CFB side, but totals would be doing much better, I think, if you only took plays with a 15 point or more middle.

    This week was a bad week for the system.  These are NJPorky's numbers from yesterday:

    System YTD Is 36 - 24 - 2 Units: + 9.6
    Win 60%
     
    Sides YTD 19-14-1 Units: +3.6 Win 58%
    Totals YTD 17-10-1 Units: +6.0 Win 63%

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    Sides and Totals have been pretty close on the CFB side, but totals would be doing much better, I think, if you only took plays with a 15 point or more middle.

    This week was a bad week for the system.  These are NJPorky's numbers from yesterday:

    System YTD Is 36 - 24 - 2 Units: + 9.6
    Win 60%
     
    Sides YTD 19-14-1 Units: +3.6 Win 58%
    Totals YTD 17-10-1 Units: +6.0 Win 63%

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 3:19 PM ET #49

    The record for the week was 8-8-1.

    Sides were 3-6-1

    Totals were 5-2

    So, totals actually had a better day yesterday. 
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    The record for the week was 8-8-1.

    Sides were 3-6-1

    Totals were 5-2

    So, totals actually had a better day yesterday. 
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 3:22 PM ET #50

    Great to know....Thanks for the info I guess I should keep following both!!  But I like that 15 point idea for the totals!!
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    Great to know....Thanks for the info I guess I should keep following both!!  But I like that 15 point idea for the totals!!
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