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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 11:04 AM ET #1

    Not sure if NJPorky plans on posting these this week, but I'll go ahead and start the thread to track the system for NFL games.  NJPorky first posted about this system for NCAA games, and it's had a good track record this year, so we'll see if it holds for NFL games, too.

    I suspect that NFL won't follow the same pattern, but that's why we're tracking it.

    Ultimately, the point of this system is that when the difference between the game spread and total lines and the 2H spread and total lines are more than 10 points, that creates a large middle that is attractive to many bettors.  The system assumes the middle won't hit, and bets on the side that will cause you to miss the middle.

    To put it another way, what this means is that in a game that has a high total but a low-scoring first half, the total will usually be set pretty high for the second half, assuming that the teams will "catch up" to the whole-game total number.   If that middle is at least 10 points, the system would say to bet on the 2H under, since that would be the bet that would cause the middle to miss.

    I think this works well in the college game because it's primarily a "momentum" play on the game, but in the NFL, you've got professionals who know how to overcome momentum and make comebacks... you just have closer games overall.

    I'm just more skeptical about how well this will work with NFL, but we're tracking it, and we'll see! 

    The system may sound confusing, but once you see a few write-ups, it should be easier to understand.

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    Not sure if NJPorky plans on posting these this week, but I'll go ahead and start the thread to track the system for NFL games.  NJPorky first posted about this system for NCAA games, and it's had a good track record this year, so we'll see if it holds for NFL games, too.

    I suspect that NFL won't follow the same pattern, but that's why we're tracking it.

    Ultimately, the point of this system is that when the difference between the game spread and total lines and the 2H spread and total lines are more than 10 points, that creates a large middle that is attractive to many bettors.  The system assumes the middle won't hit, and bets on the side that will cause you to miss the middle.

    To put it another way, what this means is that in a game that has a high total but a low-scoring first half, the total will usually be set pretty high for the second half, assuming that the teams will "catch up" to the whole-game total number.   If that middle is at least 10 points, the system would say to bet on the 2H under, since that would be the bet that would cause the middle to miss.

    I think this works well in the college game because it's primarily a "momentum" play on the game, but in the NFL, you've got professionals who know how to overcome momentum and make comebacks... you just have closer games overall.

    I'm just more skeptical about how well this will work with NFL, but we're tracking it, and we'll see! 

    The system may sound confusing, but once you see a few write-ups, it should be easier to understand.

     
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    Oh, and it seems we've picked up a couple of trolls over the past week. (That's amusing to me, since I don't think NJPorky or myself ever claimed that this system was foolproof or even that great... NJP has just been tracking it and reporting on its record.)

    I think we should agree with Wikipedia's policy and don't feed the trolls.  Or, if you subscribe to the Greater Internet Dickwad Theory, just dismiss the them, as they deserve.
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    Oh, and it seems we've picked up a couple of trolls over the past week. (That's amusing to me, since I don't think NJPorky or myself ever claimed that this system was foolproof or even that great... NJP has just been tracking it and reporting on its record.)

    I think we should agree with Wikipedia's policy and don't feed the trolls.  Or, if you subscribe to the Greater Internet Dickwad Theory, just dismiss the them, as they deserve.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 12:07 PM ET #3

    As I'm writing down all of the games for today, I realized another big difference between the NFL and college, too... there are a LOT fewer games. 

    Significantly fewer games = smaller sample size = a much larger chance for a larger variance in results.

    We'll see, though...
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    As I'm writing down all of the games for today, I realized another big difference between the NFL and college, too... there are a LOT fewer games. 

    Significantly fewer games = smaller sample size = a much larger chance for a larger variance in results.

    We'll see, though...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 1:57 PM ET #4

    what are the numbers so the NFL this year that you have tracked.  I know with this system the totals were not doing well.
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    what are the numbers so the NFL this year that you have tracked.  I know with this system the totals were not doing well.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:03 PM ET #5

    IRON DOG!! 
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:10 PM ET #6

    Glad to see you here. Remember that the sides are hitting at a much higher rate than the totals.
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    Glad to see you here. Remember that the sides are hitting at a much higher rate than the totals.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:12 PM ET #7

    What up fellas?
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:15 PM ET #8

    interesting, but why does the system think that the middle wont hit? Meaning, are there statistical odds that better this or its just a "Middles dont hit so much" type thing?
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    interesting, but why does the system think that the middle wont hit? Meaning, are there statistical odds that better this or its just a "Middles dont hit so much" type thing?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:15 PM ET #9

    Would the Detroit/Minnesota game be a perfect candidate?
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:16 PM ET #10

    Just chillin' waiting for the halfs.  If you want to play these play them small.  I am looking for stats today.  Who knows today might be a good day.  We need some data, boys!!!! 
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    Just chillin' waiting for the halfs.  If you want to play these play them small.  I am looking for stats today.  Who knows today might be a good day.  We need some data, boys!!!! 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:19 PM ET #11

    Here are the early game lines for reference.....

    CHI (-3) @ ATL / 43
    OAK (+7) @ NO / 47
    CAR (+1) @ TB / 37
    STL (+12) @ WAS / 44
    CIN (+9.5) @ NYJ / 43
    DET (+13) @ MIN / 44.5
    MIA (+3) @ HOU / 45
    BAL (+4) @ IND / 39

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    Here are the early game lines for reference.....

    CHI (-3) @ ATL / 43
    OAK (+7) @ NO / 47
    CAR (+1) @ TB / 37
    STL (+12) @ WAS / 44
    CIN (+9.5) @ NYJ / 43
    DET (+13) @ MIN / 44.5
    MIA (+3) @ HOU / 45
    BAL (+4) @ IND / 39

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:22 PM ET #12

    First game of the day...

    Oakland @ New Orleans - Line NO -7/47.5
    Half Score: NO 10-3
    2H Line: NO -3/22.5
    Middle: 3 spread, 12 total
    Play: no spread, 2H under 22.5
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    First game of the day...

    Oakland @ New Orleans - Line NO -7/47.5
    Half Score: NO 10-3
    2H Line: NO -3/22.5
    Middle: 3 spread, 12 total
    Play: no spread, 2H under 22.5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:22 PM ET #13

    May have a total play in NO/OAK.
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:23 PM ET #14

    Miami@ Houston - Line Houston -3/44.5
    Half Score: Miami 14-13
    2H Line: HOU -2.5/22.5
    Middle: 1 spread, 5 total
    Play: NO PLAYS
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    Miami@ Houston - Line Houston -3/44.5
    Half Score: Miami 14-13
    2H Line: HOU -2.5/22.5
    Middle: 1 spread, 5 total
    Play: NO PLAYS
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:27 PM ET #15

    Cincinnati @ NYJ - Line NYJ -9.5/43.5
    Half Score: NYJ 17-14
    2H Line: NYJ -5.5/21.5
    Middle: 1 spread, 9 total
    Play: NO PLAYS
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    Cincinnati @ NYJ - Line NYJ -9.5/43.5
    Half Score: NYJ 17-14
    2H Line: NYJ -5.5/21.5
    Middle: 1 spread, 9 total
    Play: NO PLAYS
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:29 PM ET #16

    Detroit @ Minnesota - Line Minn. -13/44.5
    Half Score: Det. 3-2
    2H Line: Minn -7/20
    Middle: 5 spread, 19 total
    Play: 2H under 20
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    Detroit @ Minnesota - Line Minn. -13/44.5
    Half Score: Det. 3-2
    2H Line: Minn -7/20
    Middle: 5 spread, 19 total
    Play: 2H under 20
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:30 PM ET #17

    Chicago@Atlanta - Line Chicago -3/43
    Half Score: ATL 9-3
    2H Line: Chicago -2/20.5
    Middle: 7 spread, 10 total
    Play: no spread, 2H under 20.5
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    Chicago@Atlanta - Line Chicago -3/43
    Half Score: ATL 9-3
    2H Line: Chicago -2/20.5
    Middle: 7 spread, 10 total
    Play: no spread, 2H under 20.5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:32 PM ET #18

    Carolina @ Tampa Bay - Line TB-1/37
    Half Score: TB 17-3
    2H Line: CAR -0.5/18.5
    Middle: 13 spread, 1 total
    Play: Tampa Bay +0.5 2H, no total
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    Carolina @ Tampa Bay - Line TB-1/37
    Half Score: TB 17-3
    2H Line: CAR -0.5/18.5
    Middle: 13 spread, 1 total
    Play: Tampa Bay +0.5 2H, no total
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:34 PM ET #19

    Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Line Indy -3.5/38.5
    Half Score: Indy 24-0
    2H Line: BALls -2.5/19.5
    Middle: 23 spread, 5 total
    Play: Indy +2.5 2H, no total
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    Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Line Indy -3.5/38.5
    Half Score: Indy 24-0
    2H Line: BALls -2.5/19.5
    Middle: 23 spread, 5 total
    Play: Indy +2.5 2H, no total
     
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    4 plays so far?
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:34 PM ET #21

    why wouldn't you take CAR ?
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:35 PM ET #22

    St. Louis @ Washington - Line Wash -12/44
    Half Score: STL 10-7
    2H Line: Wash -7/21
    Middle: 8 spread, 6 total
    Play: NO PLAYS
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    St. Louis @ Washington - Line Wash -12/44
    Half Score: STL 10-7
    2H Line: Wash -7/21
    Middle: 8 spread, 6 total
    Play: NO PLAYS
     
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    the confusion is when there is a big lead for like TB and IND and you would think CAR and BAL will cut into the lead thus take them...but the system says take TB and IND?????
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    the confusion is when there is a big lead for like TB and IND and you would think CAR and BAL will cut into the lead thus take them...but the system says take TB and IND?????
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigirondawg:

    Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Line Indy -3.5/38.5
    Half Score: Indy 24-0
    2H Line: BALls -2.5/19.5
    Middle: 23 spread, 5 total
    Play: Indy +2.5 2H, no total
    wrong line on Indy game 2 nd h
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    Baltimore @ Indianapolis - Line Indy -3.5/38.5
    Half Score: Indy 24-0
    2H Line: BALls -2.5/19.5
    Middle: 23 spread, 5 total
    Play: Indy +2.5 2H, no total
    wrong line on Indy game 2 nd h
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2008 - 2:38 PM ET #25

    Rak, kangy: 

    mvp: yeah totals have been just ok, spreads have typically been better.  I think it might be better to raise the middle limit on totals plays to 15, but we'll see how it works out. 


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    Rak, kangy: 

    mvp: yeah totals have been just ok, spreads have typically been better.  I think it might be better to raise the middle limit on totals plays to 15, but we'll see how it works out. 


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