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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 1:28 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by alopez14325:

    I like UCF in that one... I am thinking about taking Lamar Jackson -2200 to win the heisman.  I obviously dont like risking $2200, but I cant see him losing the award, and think it's probably an easy $100, but i'm not sure... anybody have an opinion?

    I'm not an expert by any means but I would take that same $2,200 and play $100 on every one of BookieAssassin's bowl games and guarantee you will win more than $100!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alopez14325:

    I like UCF in that one... I am thinking about taking Lamar Jackson -2200 to win the heisman.  I obviously dont like risking $2200, but I cant see him losing the award, and think it's probably an easy $100, but i'm not sure... anybody have an opinion?

    I'm not an expert by any means but I would take that same $2,200 and play $100 on every one of BookieAssassin's bowl games and guarantee you will win more than $100!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 1:49 PM ET #102

    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    The only thing that concerns me about Houston is that they were "relegated" to a bowl...
    Having said this, I'm still kind of torn on this game because I can't see SDST's QB exploiting Houston's D like Ferguson did for Memphis. I've seen SDST play 3 times this year and haven't been overly impressed with them despite them winning the MWC. I think most of it hinges on if Houston "shows up."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    The only thing that concerns me about Houston is that they were "relegated" to a bowl...
    Having said this, I'm still kind of torn on this game because I can't see SDST's QB exploiting Houston's D like Ferguson did for Memphis. I've seen SDST play 3 times this year and haven't been overly impressed with them despite them winning the MWC. I think most of it hinges on if Houston "shows up."
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 2:19 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by dkite22:


    I'm not an expert by any means but I would take that same $2,200 and play $100 on every one of BookieAssassin's bowl games and guarantee you will win more than $100!


    I'm no expert at math but please re-read what you just posted
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkite22:


    I'm not an expert by any means but I would take that same $2,200 and play $100 on every one of BookieAssassin's bowl games and guarantee you will win more than $100!


    I'm no expert at math but please re-read what you just posted
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 2:23 PM ET #104

    Are you going to put up a card based on all these research (thank you) you did?
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    Are you going to put up a card based on all these research (thank you) you did?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 2:24 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by CajunWF:



    I'm no expert at math but please re-read what you just posted

    My point is that he is willing to risk 2,200 to win 100. I was saying he could make $100 wagers on 22 of bookieassassin's bowl plays and come out up more than $100. My point was that BA will kill the bowls this year. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunWF:



    I'm no expert at math but please re-read what you just posted

    My point is that he is willing to risk 2,200 to win 100. I was saying he could make $100 wagers on 22 of bookieassassin's bowl plays and come out up more than $100. My point was that BA will kill the bowls this year. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 2:48 PM ET #106

    I know, pardon me for being pedantic.  I'm overtired. 

    FWIW risking 2200 to win 100 is the one of the most idiotic propositions I've ever heard of, and I was around my fair share of morons who bet large sums on HRC while I was trying to convince them to tail my Trump +500 bet
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    I know, pardon me for being pedantic.  I'm overtired. 

    FWIW risking 2200 to win 100 is the one of the most idiotic propositions I've ever heard of, and I was around my fair share of morons who bet large sums on HRC while I was trying to convince them to tail my Trump +500 bet
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 3:02 PM ET #107

    All good man! TRUMP was easy money!  
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    All good man! TRUMP was easy money!  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 3:09 PM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Having said this, I'm still kind of torn on this game because I can't see SDST's QB exploiting Houston's D like Ferguson did for Memphis. I've seen SDST play 3 times this year and haven't been overly impressed with them despite them winning the MWC. I think most of it hinges on if Houston "shows up."


    rocky a good defensive coach, though. lots of strange looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Having said this, I'm still kind of torn on this game because I can't see SDST's QB exploiting Houston's D like Ferguson did for Memphis. I've seen SDST play 3 times this year and haven't been overly impressed with them despite them winning the MWC. I think most of it hinges on if Houston "shows up."


    rocky a good defensive coach, though. lots of strange looks.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 3:14 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    like

    Army  +10   
    S Caro  +10'
    Memphis  +5
    Fla St  +8
    WF  +14
    Clemson +3'
    Houston  -3


    Nice picks there, that I also like very much. Army is -10, not +10. Army was -17 and fumbled 7 times. No way they reset that debacle, but I think the line is sharp, and N. Texas in their home state will play them close. 

    Clemson and Ohio State have both played close games with a majority of their schedule; since 3 is the most common scoreboard difference statistically, I am thinking of a large play on Clemson at that number--a game I think they win SU anyway. 

    I like SDSU w/ Pumphries being a respected RB and getting a lot of attention--but we have seen Houston shut down great RBs--esp Cook of FSU. You don't seem to mind the change in HC (as you do in Temple. Maybe this is a positive change going w/ Applewhite who knows Texas players and coaches (?). I might skip this game, but You winning big wouldn't surprise, as SDSU too tentative.


    you think I would lay 10 with Army .....to a team that beat 'em by 3TD at home?...........
        *sorry ......that's a lazy c/p from earlier......> might leave it there too........might NEED the W ha

    Houston......can TAKE AWAY......the IDENTITY of SDSU
      *shut down their running game....force SDSU into 3rd/longs.....force Chapman to win it ?............
      *Cougs are a pressure D / super tough vs the run (#4) and very disruptive / getting penetration (#4).....tough vs efficient O's like SDSU (#14).......SDSU O #107 on PD (passing downs) > Coug D #11.....Cougs don't get a ton of sacks but SDSU #117 in sacks allowed......they might bust a few long runs.....but overall they should have a tough time moving the chains here

    Aztec D actually matches up nicely vs Houston O.....but Cougs have PACE (#6).....and a (MOTIVATED / more healthy) WARD ...............something they haven't seen much of
     
    Cougs have some 'unfinished' business (SDSU not really).....plus off a LOSS.....note:  Cougs haven't lost BB (back to back) games since late 2013 
        *they seem to like Major.......I see a  >>  'show we don't need Herman anyway' ... type response.....rather than disappointment.....?
         $  IF DC Orlando had left......IF they had blown out Memphis...I might look at a bit it differently..............
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    like

    Army  +10   
    S Caro  +10'
    Memphis  +5
    Fla St  +8
    WF  +14
    Clemson +3'
    Houston  -3


    Nice picks there, that I also like very much. Army is -10, not +10. Army was -17 and fumbled 7 times. No way they reset that debacle, but I think the line is sharp, and N. Texas in their home state will play them close. 

    Clemson and Ohio State have both played close games with a majority of their schedule; since 3 is the most common scoreboard difference statistically, I am thinking of a large play on Clemson at that number--a game I think they win SU anyway. 

    I like SDSU w/ Pumphries being a respected RB and getting a lot of attention--but we have seen Houston shut down great RBs--esp Cook of FSU. You don't seem to mind the change in HC (as you do in Temple. Maybe this is a positive change going w/ Applewhite who knows Texas players and coaches (?). I might skip this game, but You winning big wouldn't surprise, as SDSU too tentative.


    you think I would lay 10 with Army .....to a team that beat 'em by 3TD at home?...........
        *sorry ......that's a lazy c/p from earlier......> might leave it there too........might NEED the W ha

    Houston......can TAKE AWAY......the IDENTITY of SDSU
      *shut down their running game....force SDSU into 3rd/longs.....force Chapman to win it ?............
      *Cougs are a pressure D / super tough vs the run (#4) and very disruptive / getting penetration (#4).....tough vs efficient O's like SDSU (#14).......SDSU O #107 on PD (passing downs) > Coug D #11.....Cougs don't get a ton of sacks but SDSU #117 in sacks allowed......they might bust a few long runs.....but overall they should have a tough time moving the chains here

    Aztec D actually matches up nicely vs Houston O.....but Cougs have PACE (#6).....and a (MOTIVATED / more healthy) WARD ...............something they haven't seen much of
     
    Cougs have some 'unfinished' business (SDSU not really).....plus off a LOSS.....note:  Cougs haven't lost BB (back to back) games since late 2013 
        *they seem to like Major.......I see a  >>  'show we don't need Herman anyway' ... type response.....rather than disappointment.....?
         $  IF DC Orlando had left......IF they had blown out Memphis...I might look at a bit it differently..............
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 3:30 PM ET #110

    Quote Originally Posted by CajunWF:



    I'm no expert at math but please re-read what you just posted


    c'mon man forget it he's rollin'...........................

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE
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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunWF:



    I'm no expert at math but please re-read what you just posted


    c'mon man forget it he's rollin'...........................

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 3:36 PM ET #111

    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Having said this, I'm still kind of torn on this game because I can't see SDST's QB exploiting Houston's D like Ferguson did for Memphis. I've seen SDST play 3 times this year and haven't been overly impressed with them despite them winning the MWC. I think most of it hinges on if Houston "shows up."


    a day of mourning for all Sooner fans SL..............

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/12/12/former-oklahoma-all-american-jimbo-elrod-killed-in-crash/95336686/


    It is better to be feared - than to be loved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Having said this, I'm still kind of torn on this game because I can't see SDST's QB exploiting Houston's D like Ferguson did for Memphis. I've seen SDST play 3 times this year and haven't been overly impressed with them despite them winning the MWC. I think most of it hinges on if Houston "shows up."


    a day of mourning for all Sooner fans SL..............

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/12/12/former-oklahoma-all-american-jimbo-elrod-killed-in-crash/95336686/


     
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    HUMANS ......are extremely FRAGILE
      *'cept me.....and you boys of course

    Houston lost to Memphis?.....largely because of their HUGE W over Louisville......they had NOTHING left
      *previous issues had to do somewhat also with CONSTANT talk / rumors of their coach leaving......you say it's no big deal.....but it is......

    Wife threatening to leave / take the kids.....kick your sorry azz outta the house YOU paid for WTF........
      *YOU will say you're doing your best at work.....YOU can block it out......NO ........you can't.................


    RECHARGED......coaching situation SETTLED now.....they should be good to go

    Speaking of Memphis......
      *WKU?.....their season ENDED on Dec 3....CUSA championship > HC profited off their efforts > hauled azz.......THEY ARE DONE

    Memphis?...young team with new HC.....playing with confidence (from MUCH tougher conference)......a 5 pt DOG?............
    It is better to be feared - than to be loved.
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    HUMANS ......are extremely FRAGILE
      *'cept me.....and you boys of course

    Houston lost to Memphis?.....largely because of their HUGE W over Louisville......they had NOTHING left
      *previous issues had to do somewhat also with CONSTANT talk / rumors of their coach leaving......you say it's no big deal.....but it is......

    Wife threatening to leave / take the kids.....kick your sorry azz outta the house YOU paid for WTF........
      *YOU will say you're doing your best at work.....YOU can block it out......NO ........you can't.................


    RECHARGED......coaching situation SETTLED now.....they should be good to go

    Speaking of Memphis......
      *WKU?.....their season ENDED on Dec 3....CUSA championship > HC profited off their efforts > hauled azz.......THEY ARE DONE

    Memphis?...young team with new HC.....playing with confidence (from MUCH tougher conference)......a 5 pt DOG?............
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:



    a day of mourning for all Sooner fans SL..............

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/12/12/former-oklahoma-all-american-jimbo-elrod-killed-in-crash/95336686/


    I remember him well. He was the "pretty boy" of Sooner football. Always played his best ball in the big games. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:



    a day of mourning for all Sooner fans SL..............

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/12/12/former-oklahoma-all-american-jimbo-elrod-killed-in-crash/95336686/


    I remember him well. He was the "pretty boy" of Sooner football. Always played his best ball in the big games. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 4:29 PM ET #114

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    rocky a good defensive coach, though. lots of strange looks.
    I know, that's what concerns me. SDST's defense looked a little tired coming down the stretch. But with a few weeks rest I'm thinking they could be tough here. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    rocky a good defensive coach, though. lots of strange looks.
    I know, that's what concerns me. SDST's defense looked a little tired coming down the stretch. But with a few weeks rest I'm thinking they could be tough here. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2016 - 4:48 PM ET #115

    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    I know, that's what concerns me. SDST's defense looked a little tired coming down the stretch. But with a few weeks rest I'm thinking they could be tough here. 


    that said, not sure how seriously he takes the bowls. put a hurting on cincinnati last year but i've seen him take it pretty easy in bowls before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    I know, that's what concerns me. SDST's defense looked a little tired coming down the stretch. But with a few weeks rest I'm thinking they could be tough here. 


    that said, not sure how seriously he takes the bowls. put a hurting on cincinnati last year but i've seen him take it pretty easy in bowls before.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    that said, not sure how seriously he takes the bowls. put a hurting on cincinnati last year but i've seen him take it pretty easy in bowls before.
    He seems to win a bowl game about every other year. But no real pattern to his bowls. They don't get blown out by any of their opponents, so they look like they give the effort. He might look at this as a challenge to his team since they are the dogs for the first time in a few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    that said, not sure how seriously he takes the bowls. put a hurting on cincinnati last year but i've seen him take it pretty easy in bowls before.
    He seems to win a bowl game about every other year. But no real pattern to his bowls. They don't get blown out by any of their opponents, so they look like they give the effort. He might look at this as a challenge to his team since they are the dogs for the first time in a few years.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    that said, not sure how seriously he takes the bowls. put a hurting on cincinnati last year but i've seen him take it pretty easy in bowls before.

    Tough to use that game for anything, Cincy got off the plane in Hawaii, but never cared one bit about that game.   Literally a wire to wire job, if memory serves SDSU returned the opening kickoff for a TD and never looked back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    that said, not sure how seriously he takes the bowls. put a hurting on cincinnati last year but i've seen him take it pretty easy in bowls before.

    Tough to use that game for anything, Cincy got off the plane in Hawaii, but never cared one bit about that game.   Literally a wire to wire job, if memory serves SDSU returned the opening kickoff for a TD and never looked back
     
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    incredible info here. i dont follow college so this ha been an excellent starting point for me. really like the south carolina game from the angles you pointed out. BOL this year kind sir
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    incredible info here. i dont follow college so this ha been an excellent starting point for me. really like the south carolina game from the angles you pointed out. BOL this year kind sir
     
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    Weather in Vegas will be cold and windy brrr48
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    Weather in Vegas will be cold and windy brrr48
     
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    ANYBODY here...... wanna win some money?

    ONCE the game starts...a team's performance is fairly predictable.....
           *BEFORE.....who TF knows right?.............................

    remember too.....only around 3-5X or so.....will the DOG cover....and NOT win the game too....
      *last 6 yrs : 3X > 3 > 3 > 4 > 4 > 3

    $$    bet your strong dogs on the ML maybe.......and /or if you don't think the dog can win the game....maybe back off.....
         *don't forget on those bowl confidence pools as well......only take dogs you think can win.....

     

    $$$    SU bowl winners are  737-117-12 ATS since 1980   $$$



    2015 1H / 2H notes.....
      *one of the things we (usually)  see in these season ending games....is that a team is READY to play.....or they ARE NOT.....meaning what you see in the 2H...is much of what you saw in the 1H
           $  it might happen occasionally...esp with a great senior QB...but seldom POOF!...does a team 'find it' in--game


    before 12/25
      *overall   Favorites were 7-5 ATS / 8 of 12 went OVER
            note:   only 2X did DOG cover...but not WIN the game (Ohio / NMX)

    1H     Fav were 6-4-2 SU / 6-6 ATS / 6-6 OU >
    2H     Fav were 9-3 SU / 8-4 ATS / 8-4 OU


    12/26-12/30
      *overall Fav were 10-6 ATS / 9-7 OU
          note:  only ONCE did the DOG cover and not WIN SU (Tulsa)

    1H    Fav were 10-3-3 SU / 8-8 ATS / 10-6 OU
    2H    Fav were 9-3-4 SU / 8-8 ATS / 5-11 OU


    after 12/31
      *overall Fav were 8-5 ATS / 8-5 OU
           note:  only ONCE did dog cover and not win (Clemson)

    1H    Fav went 10-2-1 SU / 9-4 ATS / 7-6 OU
    2H    Fav went 6-7 SU / 5-8 ATS / 9-4 OU



    from 2014

     1H / 2H

    < 12/25

    1H   FAV 7-4 SU / 6-5 ATS
         O/U 6-5 ATS
      * only once in 4 games did fav come back to win game SU

    2H   FAV 6-5 SU / ATS
         O/U 6-5

    12/26 > 12/31

    1H  FAV 7-10 SU / 6-11 ATS
        O/U 11-6 ATS
     * only one time in 10 games did fav come back and win SU

    2H  FAV 10-7 SU / 8-9 ATS
        O/U 7-10 ATS 

    > 1/1

    1H  FAV 10-2 SU / 9-3 ATS
        OU 6-6 ATS
     *in 2 games fav did NOT come back to win SU

    SO...only 2X in 16 games did fav come back to win SU
      *only ONCE did fav come back to cover GAME





    ALSO...........

    2015

    What happened ......?
     
    If the favorite was up / tied at halftime?

      *  < 12/25            (8X)   8-0 SU / 6-2 ATS (they won every game / covered 6/8)

      *  12/25 - 12/30  (13)   11-2 SU / 10-3 ATS
     
     *  > 12/31            (11)   9-2 SU / 8-3 ATS

    How bout if DOG was up / tied?

      * < 12/25          (6)       3-3 ATS (onl/y once when up)

      * 12/25 -12/30  (6)      5-1 ATS (thart one tied when tied at half)

      * > 12/31           (3)      3-0 ATS

          $$$    SO - ONLY ONE TIME...when the dog was up at halftime (9X)...did they not cover the game..... looking at the 6 ties (at half)....favorite covered usually (4/6)

         $$$$$   ONLY TWICE....did the FAV (if down at the half) come back to win the game
                         *really only ONCE did they come back and take charge the 2H....WKU.....down by only 4 tho.....won game by 10
                            other was App St was down by 10....won last minute by 2 seems like




    $$   How often does the team that covered 1H....cover 2H too?
     
     * < 12/25                only 4X....outta 12 games

      * 12/25 - 12/30       8/16

      * > 12/25                7/13
             >>  suggesting the LATER / more meaningful games...you are more likely to see a consistent effort from one half to another

    $$   If 1H is high / low scoring.....2H likely to be the same?

      * < 12/25              8/12  2H was the opposite (meaning if 1H went over > 2H went under / vice versa)

      * 12/25 -12/30      only 7/16  2H was different

      *> 12/31                8/13 2H was opposite
            >>  been my (casual) observation...that scoring usually flips from 1H > 2H.......  LY 23X / 41 games                    





    It is better to be feared - than to be loved.
    Reply
    ANYBODY here...... wanna win some money?

    ONCE the game starts...a team's performance is fairly predictable.....
           *BEFORE.....who TF knows right?.............................

    remember too.....only around 3-5X or so.....will the DOG cover....and NOT win the game too....
      *last 6 yrs : 3X > 3 > 3 > 4 > 4 > 3

    $$    bet your strong dogs on the ML maybe.......and /or if you don't think the dog can win the game....maybe back off.....
         *don't forget on those bowl confidence pools as well......only take dogs you think can win.....

     

    $$$    SU bowl winners are  737-117-12 ATS since 1980   $$$



    2015 1H / 2H notes.....
      *one of the things we (usually)  see in these season ending games....is that a team is READY to play.....or they ARE NOT.....meaning what you see in the 2H...is much of what you saw in the 1H
           $  it might happen occasionally...esp with a great senior QB...but seldom POOF!...does a team 'find it' in--game


    before 12/25
      *overall   Favorites were 7-5 ATS / 8 of 12 went OVER
            note:   only 2X did DOG cover...but not WIN the game (Ohio / NMX)

    1H     Fav were 6-4-2 SU / 6-6 ATS / 6-6 OU >
    2H     Fav were 9-3 SU / 8-4 ATS / 8-4 OU


    12/26-12/30
      *overall Fav were 10-6 ATS / 9-7 OU
          note:  only ONCE did the DOG cover and not WIN SU (Tulsa)

    1H    Fav were 10-3-3 SU / 8-8 ATS / 10-6 OU
    2H    Fav were 9-3-4 SU / 8-8 ATS / 5-11 OU


    after 12/31
      *overall Fav were 8-5 ATS / 8-5 OU
           note:  only ONCE did dog cover and not win (Clemson)

    1H    Fav went 10-2-1 SU / 9-4 ATS / 7-6 OU
    2H    Fav went 6-7 SU / 5-8 ATS / 9-4 OU



    from 2014

     1H / 2H

    < 12/25

    1H   FAV 7-4 SU / 6-5 ATS
         O/U 6-5 ATS
      * only once in 4 games did fav come back to win game SU

    2H   FAV 6-5 SU / ATS
         O/U 6-5

    12/26 > 12/31

    1H  FAV 7-10 SU / 6-11 ATS
        O/U 11-6 ATS
     * only one time in 10 games did fav come back and win SU

    2H  FAV 10-7 SU / 8-9 ATS
        O/U 7-10 ATS 

    > 1/1

    1H  FAV 10-2 SU / 9-3 ATS
        OU 6-6 ATS
     *in 2 games fav did NOT come back to win SU

    SO...only 2X in 16 games did fav come back to win SU
      *only ONCE did fav come back to cover GAME





    ALSO...........

    2015

    What happened ......?
     
    If the favorite was up / tied at halftime?

      *  < 12/25            (8X)   8-0 SU / 6-2 ATS (they won every game / covered 6/8)

      *  12/25 - 12/30  (13)   11-2 SU / 10-3 ATS
     
     *  > 12/31            (11)   9-2 SU / 8-3 ATS

    How bout if DOG was up / tied?

      * < 12/25          (6)       3-3 ATS (onl/y once when up)

      * 12/25 -12/30  (6)      5-1 ATS (thart one tied when tied at half)

      * > 12/31           (3)      3-0 ATS

          $$$    SO - ONLY ONE TIME...when the dog was up at halftime (9X)...did they not cover the game..... looking at the 6 ties (at half)....favorite covered usually (4/6)

         $$$$$   ONLY TWICE....did the FAV (if down at the half) come back to win the game
                         *really only ONCE did they come back and take charge the 2H....WKU.....down by only 4 tho.....won game by 10
                            other was App St was down by 10....won last minute by 2 seems like




    $$   How often does the team that covered 1H....cover 2H too?
     
     * < 12/25                only 4X....outta 12 games

      * 12/25 - 12/30       8/16

      * > 12/25                7/13
             >>  suggesting the LATER / more meaningful games...you are more likely to see a consistent effort from one half to another

    $$   If 1H is high / low scoring.....2H likely to be the same?

      * < 12/25              8/12  2H was the opposite (meaning if 1H went over > 2H went under / vice versa)

      * 12/25 -12/30      only 7/16  2H was different

      *> 12/31                8/13 2H was opposite
            >>  been my (casual) observation...that scoring usually flips from 1H > 2H.......  LY 23X / 41 games                    





     
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    IF CONSIDERING ......THE UNDER
      *should you just play the 1H under instead?

    In bowls...once a team figures out they have no shot at winning > SEASON OVER........many times you see a late give-up / last minute scoring by winners
         * why?....players know coach can't kick their azz the next practice for 'quitting'

    AND.....bowls (especially early ones) are 'supposed' to be FUN......a REWARD.....in the minds of many
      *DEFENSE requires more effort....

          $$$   after a LONGER lay-off.....the defense has a clear edge....offenses often take longer to get going >>  another reason to play the 1H under


    Before 12/25.....4 games went UNDER
         *1H went every time

    12/26 > 12/30.....7 went under.....1H went under 5X

    After 12/30........5 went under.....1H under 4X

    NOTE:     IF the 1H went under.....10/16 games the 2H went OVER
    It is better to be feared - than to be loved.
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    IF CONSIDERING ......THE UNDER
      *should you just play the 1H under instead?

    In bowls...once a team figures out they have no shot at winning > SEASON OVER........many times you see a late give-up / last minute scoring by winners
         * why?....players know coach can't kick their azz the next practice for 'quitting'

    AND.....bowls (especially early ones) are 'supposed' to be FUN......a REWARD.....in the minds of many
      *DEFENSE requires more effort....

          $$$   after a LONGER lay-off.....the defense has a clear edge....offenses often take longer to get going >>  another reason to play the 1H under


    Before 12/25.....4 games went UNDER
         *1H went every time

    12/26 > 12/30.....7 went under.....1H went under 5X

    After 12/30........5 went under.....1H under 4X

    NOTE:     IF the 1H went under.....10/16 games the 2H went OVER
     
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    BTW.....the answer to the question
      *OK where did you get the 1H / 2H lines ?

    Had to GUESS of course.....esp on 2H O/U
      * fortunately....most weren't close / fairly easy to figure out
    It is better to be feared - than to be loved.
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    BTW.....the answer to the question
      *OK where did you get the 1H / 2H lines ?

    Had to GUESS of course.....esp on 2H O/U
      * fortunately....most weren't close / fairly easy to figure out
     
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    New here and hoping to do better than my disastrous 2015 (20-20, losing 6 of the first 7 games).  I think I focus too much on the psychology and ignore that some teams may be more motivated but still lack the talent to win (or cover).  Like Old Dominion v. E. Michigan - I'm swayed by how excited EM is to be in a bowl game, especially after their football program was almost scrapped.  Am I wrong to want to take EM and the points?
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    New here and hoping to do better than my disastrous 2015 (20-20, losing 6 of the first 7 games).  I think I focus too much on the psychology and ignore that some teams may be more motivated but still lack the talent to win (or cover).  Like Old Dominion v. E. Michigan - I'm swayed by how excited EM is to be in a bowl game, especially after their football program was almost scrapped.  Am I wrong to want to take EM and the points?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

     

    many times you see a late give-up / last minute scoring by winners
         * why?....players know coach can't kick their azz the next practice for 'quitting'


    Quitting!!?  Or kick their @ss for this rare occasion.  The old man was at Cal when backup QB Steve Levy decided (on his own) to get the 4th string RB into the end zone.  Jeff was pissed.

    Only video link I could find (full game) is below.  The last 3 minutes are pretty funny.  Herbstreit figures it out during his analysis.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpJDGCmWFsU
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

     

    many times you see a late give-up / last minute scoring by winners
         * why?....players know coach can't kick their azz the next practice for 'quitting'


    Quitting!!?  Or kick their @ss for this rare occasion.  The old man was at Cal when backup QB Steve Levy decided (on his own) to get the 4th string RB into the end zone.  Jeff was pissed.

    Only video link I could find (full game) is below.  The last 3 minutes are pretty funny.  Herbstreit figures it out during his analysis.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpJDGCmWFsU
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    IF CONSIDERING ......THE UNDER
      *should you just play the 1H under instead?

    In bowls...once a team figures out they have no shot at winning > SEASON OVER........many times you see a late give-up / last minute scoring by winners
         * why?....players know coach can't kick their azz the next practice for 'quitting'

    AND.....bowls (especially early ones) are 'supposed' to be FUN......a REWARD.....in the minds of many
      *DEFENSE requires more effort....

          $$$   after a LONGER lay-off.....the defense has a clear edge....offenses often take longer to get going >>  another reason to play the 1H under


    Before 12/25.....4 games went UNDER
         *1H went every time

    12/26 > 12/30.....7 went under.....1H went under 5X

    After 12/30........5 went under.....1H under 4X

    NOTE:     IF the 1H went under.....10/16 games the 2H went OVER

    1H unders were always one of my favorite bets. Always loved the comfort of knowing that I would never get screwed by overtime.

    I always compared the first half of a game like the early stages of chess. The plays that are called are set up moves for what you will try to do later in the match.

    Thanks for the work Bookie
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    IF CONSIDERING ......THE UNDER
      *should you just play the 1H under instead?

    In bowls...once a team figures out they have no shot at winning > SEASON OVER........many times you see a late give-up / last minute scoring by winners
         * why?....players know coach can't kick their azz the next practice for 'quitting'

    AND.....bowls (especially early ones) are 'supposed' to be FUN......a REWARD.....in the minds of many
      *DEFENSE requires more effort....

          $$$   after a LONGER lay-off.....the defense has a clear edge....offenses often take longer to get going >>  another reason to play the 1H under


    Before 12/25.....4 games went UNDER
         *1H went every time

    12/26 > 12/30.....7 went under.....1H went under 5X

    After 12/30........5 went under.....1H under 4X

    NOTE:     IF the 1H went under.....10/16 games the 2H went OVER

    1H unders were always one of my favorite bets. Always loved the comfort of knowing that I would never get screwed by overtime.

    I always compared the first half of a game like the early stages of chess. The plays that are called are set up moves for what you will try to do later in the match.

    Thanks for the work Bookie
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