i know you are a college hoops guru and know your stuff but do you really think Westbrook is a lottery pick? I am a die hard Bruin fan and I like Westbrooks athleticism and effort but I think at best he is a late 1st round pick....next year. If any Bruin leaves it could be Collison. I could see him come back for an extra season to play for another possible FINAL FOUR team (hopefully i'm not getting ahead of myself). Not many players have accomplished that. Plus this years draft will be loaded with guards and Bayless and Augustine would probably go ahead of him as far as point guards go. Love is enjoying the college life and I think he definetley stays and might be at UCLA until his junior year.
I think what hurts Westbrook is the fact that he plays on such a deep team. He could go to a school like Virginia Tech and be a star, like Beasley did with Kansas St, but he chose a deep, talented team. I honestly think him, Love and Collison could be better served by all going back to school next year and working on their game, but it's hard to turn down the money if teams are telling you you're a top 10 pick. I think Westbrook is someone who will excel more at the next level than college. He's got a great work-ethic, which will help him improve quickly. He has a great wingspan, which lets you play taller than you are, and he's an extremely underrated defensive player. I'm sure you know this if you're a Bruin fan, but the kid can play defense as well as anyone in college. Westbrook attacks the rim well too and can bring the explosive dunk. He needs to work on his outside shooting though, and probably get his FT shooting better as well. I'm not sure what position he would play at the next level. He could play either PG or SG.
Augustin might not go ahead of him because he's only 5'11. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be a great player at the next level, but teams look at that stuff when drafting. I honestly think Westbrook could be a top 5 pick if he stays another year or two, and him and Love I'm sure would win a title or two if they both decided to stay all four years (not likely though).
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Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:
CHASE,
i know you are a college hoops guru and know your stuff but do you really think Westbrook is a lottery pick? I am a die hard Bruin fan and I like Westbrooks athleticism and effort but I think at best he is a late 1st round pick....next year. If any Bruin leaves it could be Collison. I could see him come back for an extra season to play for another possible FINAL FOUR team (hopefully i'm not getting ahead of myself). Not many players have accomplished that. Plus this years draft will be loaded with guards and Bayless and Augustine would probably go ahead of him as far as point guards go. Love is enjoying the college life and I think he definetley stays and might be at UCLA until his junior year.
I think what hurts Westbrook is the fact that he plays on such a deep team. He could go to a school like Virginia Tech and be a star, like Beasley did with Kansas St, but he chose a deep, talented team. I honestly think him, Love and Collison could be better served by all going back to school next year and working on their game, but it's hard to turn down the money if teams are telling you you're a top 10 pick. I think Westbrook is someone who will excel more at the next level than college. He's got a great work-ethic, which will help him improve quickly. He has a great wingspan, which lets you play taller than you are, and he's an extremely underrated defensive player. I'm sure you know this if you're a Bruin fan, but the kid can play defense as well as anyone in college. Westbrook attacks the rim well too and can bring the explosive dunk. He needs to work on his outside shooting though, and probably get his FT shooting better as well. I'm not sure what position he would play at the next level. He could play either PG or SG.
Augustin might not go ahead of him because he's only 5'11. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be a great player at the next level, but teams look at that stuff when drafting. I honestly think Westbrook could be a top 5 pick if he stays another year or two, and him and Love I'm sure would win a title or two if they both decided to stay all four years (not likely though).
Here are some gems selected in the lottery this decade alone:
06:
Hilton Armstrong
J.J. reddick
Saer Sene??
Patrick O'Bryant
Adam Morrison
.....I will give Thomas, Bargnani, and Sheldon Williams another year until they are added to that list
05:
Korolev
vasquez
Diogu
Frye
Villanueva
04:
Swift
livingston
Childress
Jackson
Araujo??
03: pretty good lottery
Milicic
Collison
Sweetney
hayes
02:
ELY
Jeffries
Wilcox
Jay Williams
Nene
Tsishkiliti...or whatever his name is
wagner
01:
Kedrick Brown?
Kwame
Curry
White
Diop
Griffin...RIP
00:
Moiso
Dooling
Pryzbilla
johnson
Mihm
Fizer
Swift
Miles
etan Thomas
Bargnani won't be a bust. I see the guy play a lot being a Raps fan, and he has the skill set to be an all-star in the NBA. You have to give European players a few more years to develop and learn the NBA game than North Americans because the game is different over there. It's a lot more finesse style, which is why all the big guys over there can shoot the three.
You're right though. Some of these picks you just look back and say wtf? I'm still shaking my head with that Araujo pick. A lot of these busts are guys that had big tournaments then entered the draft and were overvalued because of the last couple of games. It's the same thing with football. If a guy has a huge bowl game he enters the draft (que JaMarcus Russell) and gets picked way too high.
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Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:
Here are some gems selected in the lottery this decade alone:
06:
Hilton Armstrong
J.J. reddick
Saer Sene??
Patrick O'Bryant
Adam Morrison
.....I will give Thomas, Bargnani, and Sheldon Williams another year until they are added to that list
05:
Korolev
vasquez
Diogu
Frye
Villanueva
04:
Swift
livingston
Childress
Jackson
Araujo??
03: pretty good lottery
Milicic
Collison
Sweetney
hayes
02:
ELY
Jeffries
Wilcox
Jay Williams
Nene
Tsishkiliti...or whatever his name is
wagner
01:
Kedrick Brown?
Kwame
Curry
White
Diop
Griffin...RIP
00:
Moiso
Dooling
Pryzbilla
johnson
Mihm
Fizer
Swift
Miles
etan Thomas
Bargnani won't be a bust. I see the guy play a lot being a Raps fan, and he has the skill set to be an all-star in the NBA. You have to give European players a few more years to develop and learn the NBA game than North Americans because the game is different over there. It's a lot more finesse style, which is why all the big guys over there can shoot the three.
You're right though. Some of these picks you just look back and say wtf? I'm still shaking my head with that Araujo pick. A lot of these busts are guys that had big tournaments then entered the draft and were overvalued because of the last couple of games. It's the same thing with football. If a guy has a huge bowl game he enters the draft (que JaMarcus Russell) and gets picked way too high.
he seems like a juan dixon clone with a better shot and dixon went 17th to the wizards, the wizards always reach so i'm predicting 14th-17th in the draft.
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he seems like a juan dixon clone with a better shot and dixon went 17th to the wizards, the wizards always reach so i'm predicting 14th-17th in the draft.
He needs to stay another yr or so ........ no reason to rush this, get in better shape, lifting weights and putting on some more pounds. He will be a good pro in time... great shooter thats for sure.....
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He needs to stay another yr or so ........ no reason to rush this, get in better shape, lifting weights and putting on some more pounds. He will be a good pro in time... great shooter thats for sure.....
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHERE HE GETS DRAFTED??? GREG ODEM of OHIO ST WAS THE TALK OF THE NATION. "WHERE WILL HE GET DRAFTED? HE's the No ! NBA PICK"--BLAH BLAH.
HE CANT EVEN WALK RIGHT NOW.
Funny how the best players are drafted in the 20th round or worse....I can run off a list.
Enjoy his play RIGHT NOW. FUCK the NBA, and WHO GIVES A FUCK if he's drafted by the Toronto Craptors and rides the pine because of injuries.
Talk abt a topic that's relevant--like, can they make it to the FINAL 4 tomorrow...
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WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHERE HE GETS DRAFTED??? GREG ODEM of OHIO ST WAS THE TALK OF THE NATION. "WHERE WILL HE GET DRAFTED? HE's the No ! NBA PICK"--BLAH BLAH.
HE CANT EVEN WALK RIGHT NOW.
Funny how the best players are drafted in the 20th round or worse....I can run off a list.
Enjoy his play RIGHT NOW. FUCK the NBA, and WHO GIVES A FUCK if he's drafted by the Toronto Craptors and rides the pine because of injuries.
Talk abt a topic that's relevant--like, can they make it to the FINAL 4 tomorrow...
A jump shooting team's luck always runs out. They beat the cheese heads but I suspect the cats run has come undone. Kansas has a whole team of players better than this guy.
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A jump shooting team's luck always runs out. They beat the cheese heads but I suspect the cats run has come undone. Kansas has a whole team of players better than this guy.
needs to stay in school for 2 more yrs....has to run off 3 screens to get his shot, can't create his own shot which in the NBA is a must.....looks alot like JJ Redick if you ask me but if he develops more of a 1 on 1 game he could be a 1st rounder IMO... with all the hype this guy is getting and with his pedigree he might be one now who knows.....
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needs to stay in school for 2 more yrs....has to run off 3 screens to get his shot, can't create his own shot which in the NBA is a must.....looks alot like JJ Redick if you ask me but if he develops more of a 1 on 1 game he could be a 1st rounder IMO... with all the hype this guy is getting and with his pedigree he might be one now who knows.....
curry is an awesome player with great fundamentals....that should allow him to be a late first rounder...he could fall to the middle of the second round though...i see him coming back for one more year...if they win tomorrow then he should go pro because it will be the best promotion of him seld that he will ever get...i see him being a good player off the bench at least for a couple years...he needs to go to a team that uses a lot of screens in there offense because that is were he makes his living...the kid is a great talent
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curry is an awesome player with great fundamentals....that should allow him to be a late first rounder...he could fall to the middle of the second round though...i see him coming back for one more year...if they win tomorrow then he should go pro because it will be the best promotion of him seld that he will ever get...i see him being a good player off the bench at least for a couple years...he needs to go to a team that uses a lot of screens in there offense because that is were he makes his living...the kid is a great talent
Curry isn't going to enter the Draft even if he gets MVP Honors and his stock is at its highest point.It seems like he even plans on staying on to graduate and go out as a senior. Its a good idea so that he gets more size because right now he wouldn't be able to get his shot off in the NBA, they are just to physical.
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Curry isn't going to enter the Draft even if he gets MVP Honors and his stock is at its highest point.It seems like he even plans on staying on to graduate and go out as a senior. Its a good idea so that he gets more size because right now he wouldn't be able to get his shot off in the NBA, they are just to physical.
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHERE HE GETS DRAFTED??? GREG ODEM of OHIO ST WAS THE TALK OF THE NATION. "WHERE WILL HE GET DRAFTED? HE's the No ! NBA PICK"--BLAH BLAH.
HE CANT EVEN WALK RIGHT NOW.
Funny how the best players are drafted in the 20th round or worse....I can run off a list.
Enjoy his play RIGHT NOW. FUCK the NBA, and WHO GIVES A FUCK if he's drafted by the Toronto Craptors and rides the pine because of injuries.
Talk abt a topic that's relevant--like, can they make it to the FINAL 4 tomorrow...
Not that it has anything to do with this thread but Oden is not only walking, he is jogging, dunking and playing in pick-up games. He actually pissed off the front office guys by getting caught playing in a game at a local facility while the team was on the road. His micro-fracture surgery went better than expected and he has a short recovery time as do all young people. Its the vets in their 30s that have the surgery and never really come back from it. He has taken the last 6 months to work on his upper body and is now supposed to be a chiseled block of granite.
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Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeCarlin:
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHERE HE GETS DRAFTED??? GREG ODEM of OHIO ST WAS THE TALK OF THE NATION. "WHERE WILL HE GET DRAFTED? HE's the No ! NBA PICK"--BLAH BLAH.
HE CANT EVEN WALK RIGHT NOW.
Funny how the best players are drafted in the 20th round or worse....I can run off a list.
Enjoy his play RIGHT NOW. FUCK the NBA, and WHO GIVES A FUCK if he's drafted by the Toronto Craptors and rides the pine because of injuries.
Talk abt a topic that's relevant--like, can they make it to the FINAL 4 tomorrow...
Not that it has anything to do with this thread but Oden is not only walking, he is jogging, dunking and playing in pick-up games. He actually pissed off the front office guys by getting caught playing in a game at a local facility while the team was on the road. His micro-fracture surgery went better than expected and he has a short recovery time as do all young people. Its the vets in their 30s that have the surgery and never really come back from it. He has taken the last 6 months to work on his upper body and is now supposed to be a chiseled block of granite.
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHERE HE GETS DRAFTED??? GREG ODEM of OHIO ST WAS THE TALK OF THE NATION. "WHERE WILL HE GET DRAFTED? HE's the No ! NBA PICK"--BLAH BLAH.
HE CANT EVEN WALK RIGHT NOW.
Funny how the best players are drafted in the 20th round or worse....I can run off a list.
Enjoy his play RIGHT NOW. FUCK the NBA, and WHO GIVES A FUCK if he's drafted by the Toronto Craptors and rides the pine because of injuries.
Talk abt a topic that's relevant--like, can they make it to the FINAL 4 tomorrow...
What does Oden's injury have to do with anything? He's still going to be the best player from the draft, and yes that means better than Durant. Best players drafted in the 20th round? Really? That's gotta be tough to do since there are only 2 rounds in the NBA draft.
The best players are almost always drafted at the top of the draft.
Kobe Bryant- 13th overall Tim Duncan- 1st overall LeBron James- 1st overall Chris Paul- 4th overall Carmelo Anthony- 3rd overall Dwight Howard- 1st overall Amare Stoudemire- 9th overall Kevin Garnett- 5th overall Dwayne Wade- 5th overall Chris Bosh- 4th overall
Those are the best players in the NBA, and none were drafted outside of the lottery, so your statement makes no sense.
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Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeCarlin:
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHERE HE GETS DRAFTED??? GREG ODEM of OHIO ST WAS THE TALK OF THE NATION. "WHERE WILL HE GET DRAFTED? HE's the No ! NBA PICK"--BLAH BLAH.
HE CANT EVEN WALK RIGHT NOW.
Funny how the best players are drafted in the 20th round or worse....I can run off a list.
Enjoy his play RIGHT NOW. FUCK the NBA, and WHO GIVES A FUCK if he's drafted by the Toronto Craptors and rides the pine because of injuries.
Talk abt a topic that's relevant--like, can they make it to the FINAL 4 tomorrow...
What does Oden's injury have to do with anything? He's still going to be the best player from the draft, and yes that means better than Durant. Best players drafted in the 20th round? Really? That's gotta be tough to do since there are only 2 rounds in the NBA draft.
The best players are almost always drafted at the top of the draft.
Kobe Bryant- 13th overall Tim Duncan- 1st overall LeBron James- 1st overall Chris Paul- 4th overall Carmelo Anthony- 3rd overall Dwight Howard- 1st overall Amare Stoudemire- 9th overall Kevin Garnett- 5th overall Dwayne Wade- 5th overall Chris Bosh- 4th overall
Those are the best players in the NBA, and none were drafted outside of the lottery, so your statement makes no sense.
I think there are two separate, but equally valid discussions in this thread:
1) What tier of the draft does he go in?
and
2) How does his game translate to the NBA?
As for his draft position (1), I would have a very hard time seeing anyone spending a lottery pick on him. These picks belong to bad teams looking for future stars to build around. There's also a pretty considerable bias against 3 and 4 year college players with perceived lower ceilings. That being said, there are many highly decorated players who fall out of the lottery, but not out of the first round. Julius Hodge and Josh Howard are two that come to mind. Teams losing 50 games/year are going prefer a guy that might not be ready to play immediately, but that has the potential to one day score 20/game. I really feel though that there will be a team picking between 20-30 that needs a PG to stretch the floor shooting the 3. These teams will already have a strong nucleus and see value in a guy with a lower ceiling who can contribute 8-10 ppg right away.
With respect to his game in the NBA, I think the comparisons to JJ Redick are insane. Curry has far better handling, vision, and passing skills to Redick, who will always struggle to find a position in the league. Curry will never have to be a primary or even a secondary scorer in the league. Put him on a team with a big 2 guard and a 3 that can handle a little, and I see no reason why he can't play 25 minutes and score 10 ppg in the league right now. Curry will find a niche in the league, and if Damon Jones can keep a job for 10 years without playing any defense, I see no reason why a shooter as talented as Stephen Curry can't play. He may be a bottom third defender at his position, and he'll have adjust to becoming a primary ball handler and spot shooter, but don't kid yourself, he's getting a job in a couple years.
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I think there are two separate, but equally valid discussions in this thread:
1) What tier of the draft does he go in?
and
2) How does his game translate to the NBA?
As for his draft position (1), I would have a very hard time seeing anyone spending a lottery pick on him. These picks belong to bad teams looking for future stars to build around. There's also a pretty considerable bias against 3 and 4 year college players with perceived lower ceilings. That being said, there are many highly decorated players who fall out of the lottery, but not out of the first round. Julius Hodge and Josh Howard are two that come to mind. Teams losing 50 games/year are going prefer a guy that might not be ready to play immediately, but that has the potential to one day score 20/game. I really feel though that there will be a team picking between 20-30 that needs a PG to stretch the floor shooting the 3. These teams will already have a strong nucleus and see value in a guy with a lower ceiling who can contribute 8-10 ppg right away.
With respect to his game in the NBA, I think the comparisons to JJ Redick are insane. Curry has far better handling, vision, and passing skills to Redick, who will always struggle to find a position in the league. Curry will never have to be a primary or even a secondary scorer in the league. Put him on a team with a big 2 guard and a 3 that can handle a little, and I see no reason why he can't play 25 minutes and score 10 ppg in the league right now. Curry will find a niche in the league, and if Damon Jones can keep a job for 10 years without playing any defense, I see no reason why a shooter as talented as Stephen Curry can't play. He may be a bottom third defender at his position, and he'll have adjust to becoming a primary ball handler and spot shooter, but don't kid yourself, he's getting a job in a couple years.
I will tell you what, if he is there when the Lakers pick, he would be a perfect fit and role player for them. At worst he would be a Paxson or Kerr ......
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I will tell you what, if he is there when the Lakers pick, he would be a perfect fit and role player for them. At worst he would be a Paxson or Kerr ......
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