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    jimrockford22
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    this whole notion that you can not depend on the world's top 100 newspapers to get your basic news info is frankly bizarre and scary.

    "I don't trust the New York Times" so I'll go to newsmax or OAN is frankly LOL.. or somewhere much much worse.

    I'm talking basic news (like what DJT or Joe Biden actually said)... not the op-ed page.... and not CNN or Fox News. neither is a news organization. they are the TV equivalent of talk radio.

    anyway, wake up and give your head a shake........

    and BTW, a regulated Twitter or Facebook would have kicked these people to the curb two years... I can't believe someone who lies over and over again every day would want government regulation.

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    this whole notion that you can not depend on the world's top 100 newspapers to get your basic news info is frankly bizarre and scary.

    "I don't trust the New York Times" so I'll go to newsmax or OAN is frankly LOL.. or somewhere much much worse.

    I'm talking basic news (like what DJT or Joe Biden actually said)... not the op-ed page.... and not CNN or Fox News. neither is a news organization. they are the TV equivalent of talk radio.

    anyway, wake up and give your head a shake........

    and BTW, a regulated Twitter or Facebook would have kicked these people to the curb two years... I can't believe someone who lies over and over again every day would want government regulation.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    this whole notion that you can not depend on the world's top 100 newspapers to get your basic news info is frankly bizarre and scary.

    "I don't trust the New York Times" so I'll go to newsmax or OAN is frankly LOL.. or somewhere much much worse.

    I'm talking basic news (like what DJT or Joe Biden actually said)... not the op-ed page.... and not CNN or Fox News. neither is a news organization. they are the TV equivalent of talk radio.

    anyway, wake up and give your head a shake........

    and BTW, a regulated Twitter or Facebook would have kicked these people to the curb two years ago... I can't believe someone who lies over and over again every day would want government regulation.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    this whole notion that you can not depend on the world's top 100 newspapers to get your basic news info is frankly bizarre and scary.

    "I don't trust the New York Times" so I'll go to newsmax or OAN is frankly LOL.. or somewhere much much worse.

    I'm talking basic news (like what DJT or Joe Biden actually said)... not the op-ed page.... and not CNN or Fox News. neither is a news organization. they are the TV equivalent of talk radio.

    anyway, wake up and give your head a shake........

    and BTW, a regulated Twitter or Facebook would have kicked these people to the curb two years ago... I can't believe someone who lies over and over again every day would want government regulation.

     

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    i think we need more basic newscasts.. i loved headline news. 24 hours.

    i never think of the CBS, ABC or NBC evening news as biased. but others may disagree and no one watches it anyway.

    fox and cnn discuss the news. they don't report it.

     

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    i think we need more basic newscasts.. i loved headline news. 24 hours.

    i never think of the CBS, ABC or NBC evening news as biased. but others may disagree and no one watches it anyway.

    fox and cnn discuss the news. they don't report it.

     

     
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    Twitter will enforce its policy against ban evasions to ensure that Trump does not
    try to circumvent his personal account's suspension, the company told CNN.

    "If it is clear that another account is being used for the purposes of
    evading a ban, it is also subject to suspension," Twitter said in a statement.
    "For government accounts, such as @POTUS and @WhiteHouse,
    we will not suspend those accounts but will take action to limit their use."

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    Twitter will enforce its policy against ban evasions to ensure that Trump does not
    try to circumvent his personal account's suspension, the company told CNN.

    "If it is clear that another account is being used for the purposes of
    evading a ban, it is also subject to suspension," Twitter said in a statement.
    "For government accounts, such as @POTUS and @WhiteHouse,
    we will not suspend those accounts but will take action to limit their use."

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    this whole notion that you can not depend on the world's top 100 newspapers to get your basic news info is frankly bizarre and scary. "I don't trust the New York Times" so I'll go to newsmax or OAN is frankly LOL.. or somewhere much much worse. I'm talking basic news (like what DJT or Joe Biden actually said)... not the op-ed page.... and not CNN or Fox News. neither is a news organization. they are the TV equivalent of talk radio. anyway, wake up and give your head a shake........ and BTW, a regulated Twitter or Facebook would have kicked these people to the curb two years... I can't believe someone who lies over and over again every day would want government regulation.

    One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio. Why is a newspaper put on a pedestal? That industry is hurting for eyeballs more than any other medium out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    this whole notion that you can not depend on the world's top 100 newspapers to get your basic news info is frankly bizarre and scary. "I don't trust the New York Times" so I'll go to newsmax or OAN is frankly LOL.. or somewhere much much worse. I'm talking basic news (like what DJT or Joe Biden actually said)... not the op-ed page.... and not CNN or Fox News. neither is a news organization. they are the TV equivalent of talk radio. anyway, wake up and give your head a shake........ and BTW, a regulated Twitter or Facebook would have kicked these people to the curb two years... I can't believe someone who lies over and over again every day would want government regulation.

    One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio. Why is a newspaper put on a pedestal? That industry is hurting for eyeballs more than any other medium out there

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45:

    One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio.

     

    one could .  but then one could shove his hand into an open electrical outlet too

    both ideas have the same merit

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    One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio.

     

    one could .  but then one could shove his hand into an open electrical outlet too

    both ideas have the same merit

     
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    Good one Kelly. The point is every news outlet will pander to its audience whether it’s tv or print. I’ll leave you boys alone now. Don’t forget to agree with one another no matter what, it should make for some riveting conversation thumbs_up

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    Good one Kelly. The point is every news outlet will pander to its audience whether it’s tv or print. I’ll leave you boys alone now. Don’t forget to agree with one another no matter what, it should make for some riveting conversation thumbs_up

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45: One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio.   one could .  but then one could shove his hand into an open electrical outlet too both ideas have the same merit

    Doja is actually 100% correct but you don't have to take my word for it. You should read Chomsky's Manufactured Consent and then read Matt Taibbi's Hate, inc. And while I agree with Rockfort's general thesis, there is nothing wrong with discourse. There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right. And frankly, how does one even "stick his hand in an open electrical outlet"? What exactly is an open electrical outlet? Is that like a open man hole? An open book? Have you ever swung a hammer? You sound like when a chick tries to talk about cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45: One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio.   one could .  but then one could shove his hand into an open electrical outlet too both ideas have the same merit

    Doja is actually 100% correct but you don't have to take my word for it. You should read Chomsky's Manufactured Consent and then read Matt Taibbi's Hate, inc. And while I agree with Rockfort's general thesis, there is nothing wrong with discourse. There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right. And frankly, how does one even "stick his hand in an open electrical outlet"? What exactly is an open electrical outlet? Is that like a open man hole? An open book? Have you ever swung a hammer? You sound like when a chick tries to talk about cars.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right.

     

    i agree

    but u should go tell that to all those who actually  "jumped all over a guy with childish wise apple remarks " and b prepared to back that up with proof .     fair ?

     

    and ftr  your opinion doesnt make any statement right or wrong

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    There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right.

     

    i agree

    but u should go tell that to all those who actually  "jumped all over a guy with childish wise apple remarks " and b prepared to back that up with proof .     fair ?

     

    and ftr  your opinion doesnt make any statement right or wrong

     
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     And that wasn't an opening to start up some fruity pebbles covers forum argument, i'm really not the guy. I've got no beef with you. I was simply stating that Doja's comment actually has a ton of merit. That there is reading material out there on the subject (Matt Taibbi's book is really good and much more current than Manufactured Consent) and that "open electrical outlet" sounds funnier than shite. How does one stick a hand in this "open outlet"?

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     And that wasn't an opening to start up some fruity pebbles covers forum argument, i'm really not the guy. I've got no beef with you. I was simply stating that Doja's comment actually has a ton of merit. That there is reading material out there on the subject (Matt Taibbi's book is really good and much more current than Manufactured Consent) and that "open electrical outlet" sounds funnier than shite. How does one stick a hand in this "open outlet"?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right.   i agree but u should go tell that to all those who actually  "jumped all over a guy with childish wise apple remarks " and b prepared to back that up with proof .     fair ?   and ftr  your opinion doesnt make any statement right or wrong

    Look, I was just recommending a good book. We don't read enough in this country anymore. Actual printed words on paper. It is contributing to the dumbing down of a nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right.   i agree but u should go tell that to all those who actually  "jumped all over a guy with childish wise apple remarks " and b prepared to back that up with proof .     fair ?   and ftr  your opinion doesnt make any statement right or wrong

    Look, I was just recommending a good book. We don't read enough in this country anymore. Actual printed words on paper. It is contributing to the dumbing down of a nation.

     
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    Good comments.. Thank you

    We need more presentation of the news.. Fox and CNN is all opinion dressed up as news

    Doesn't have to be NYT.. Any mainline city daily... And stay out of op-ed to lessen bias

    You need baseline facts.. What did trump say? Biden? Pelosi? Etc etc

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    Good comments.. Thank you

    We need more presentation of the news.. Fox and CNN is all opinion dressed up as news

    Doesn't have to be NYT.. Any mainline city daily... And stay out of op-ed to lessen bias

    You need baseline facts.. What did trump say? Biden? Pelosi? Etc etc

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right.   i agree but u should go tell that to all those who actually  "jumped all over a guy with childish wise apple remarks " and b prepared to back that up with proof .     fair ?   and ftr  your opinion doesnt make any statement right or wrong Look, I was just recommending a good book. We don't read enough in this country anymore. Actual printed words on paper. It is contributing to the dumbing down of a nation.

     

    books r wonderful  . i agree not enuf people read books and then not enuf books

    but i take issue with his original statement

        " One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio "

    which is absurd becuz the times is so much more than that to b sure

    which then prompted your response saying he is 100% correct

    but for daily news local national and world  i read online editions of various papers

    i dont get that or anything remotely close to that from 'talk radio '

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right.   i agree but u should go tell that to all those who actually  "jumped all over a guy with childish wise apple remarks " and b prepared to back that up with proof .     fair ?   and ftr  your opinion doesnt make any statement right or wrong Look, I was just recommending a good book. We don't read enough in this country anymore. Actual printed words on paper. It is contributing to the dumbing down of a nation.

     

    books r wonderful  . i agree not enuf people read books and then not enuf books

    but i take issue with his original statement

        " One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio "

    which is absurd becuz the times is so much more than that to b sure

    which then prompted your response saying he is 100% correct

    but for daily news local national and world  i read online editions of various papers

    i dont get that or anything remotely close to that from 'talk radio '

     
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    Similar to "I don't trust AMA so I go to unregulated quack".. 

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    Similar to "I don't trust AMA so I go to unregulated quack".. 

     
    Doja45
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2021 - 12:40 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right.   i agree but u should go tell that to all those who actually  "jumped all over a guy with childish wise apple remarks " and b prepared to back that up with proof .     fair ?   and ftr  your opinion doesnt make any statement right or wrong Look, I was just recommending a good book. We don't read enough in this country anymore. Actual printed words on paper. It is contributing to the dumbing down of a nation.   books r wonderful  . i agree not enuf people read books and then not enuf books but i take issue with his original statement     " One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio " which is absurd becuz the times is so much more than that to b sure which then prompted your response saying he is 100% correct but for daily news local national and world  i read online editions of various papers i dont get that or anything remotely close to that from 'talk radio '

    Oh, the irony 

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: There is something wrong with jumping all over a guy with childish, wise apple remarks when you're clearly uninformed on the subject in our own right.   i agree but u should go tell that to all those who actually  "jumped all over a guy with childish wise apple remarks " and b prepared to back that up with proof .     fair ?   and ftr  your opinion doesnt make any statement right or wrong Look, I was just recommending a good book. We don't read enough in this country anymore. Actual printed words on paper. It is contributing to the dumbing down of a nation.   books r wonderful  . i agree not enuf people read books and then not enuf books but i take issue with his original statement     " One could make the argument that the New York Times is the written version of talk radio " which is absurd becuz the times is so much more than that to b sure which then prompted your response saying he is 100% correct but for daily news local national and world  i read online editions of various papers i dont get that or anything remotely close to that from 'talk radio '

    Oh, the irony 

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2021 - 10:56 PM ET #16

    rump lost the election , lost the lawsuits , lost the senate , then lost his mind

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    rump lost the election , lost the lawsuits , lost the senate , then lost his mind

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2021 - 11:17 AM ET #17

    No no no.. The problem is that WE deposited democracy to these companies.

    Trump has a right to say everything he wants (except incite violence!) and we must protect his right no matter what.

     

    These bans horrify me.

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    No no no.. The problem is that WE deposited democracy to these companies.

    Trump has a right to say everything he wants (except incite violence!) and we must protect his right no matter what.

     

    These bans horrify me.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2021 - 11:19 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Danelaw:

    No no no.. The problem is that WE deposited democracy to these companies.Trump has a right to say everything he wants (except incite violence!) and we must protect his right no matter what.   These bans horrify me.

    He does have that right. And these companies have the right to regulate what is said on their platforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danelaw:

    No no no.. The problem is that WE deposited democracy to these companies.Trump has a right to say everything he wants (except incite violence!) and we must protect his right no matter what.   These bans horrify me.

    He does have that right. And these companies have the right to regulate what is said on their platforms.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2021 - 11:26 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Danelaw: No no no.. The problem is that WE deposited democracy to these companies.Trump has a right to say everything he wants (except incite violence!) and we must protect his right no matter what.   These bans horrify me. He does have that right. And these companies have the right to regulate what is said on their platforms.

     

    Yep. And I hope this will be their down fall. I gave up FB years ago - and now I'm through with Twitter.

    So yeah, hope their stocks plummet and they go bankrupt.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Danelaw: No no no.. The problem is that WE deposited democracy to these companies.Trump has a right to say everything he wants (except incite violence!) and we must protect his right no matter what.   These bans horrify me. He does have that right. And these companies have the right to regulate what is said on their platforms.

     

    Yep. And I hope this will be their down fall. I gave up FB years ago - and now I'm through with Twitter.

    So yeah, hope their stocks plummet and they go bankrupt.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2021 - 1:51 PM ET #20

    u realize if FB/Twitter were regulated these grifters would have been kicked to the curb 2 years ago.

    i would love to see social media disappear. don't think it's done much good on a net-basis for the world.

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    u realize if FB/Twitter were regulated these grifters would have been kicked to the curb 2 years ago.

    i would love to see social media disappear. don't think it's done much good on a net-basis for the world.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2021 - 2:07 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    these companies have the right to regulate what is said on their platforms.

     

    absolutely !   its in their terms of service which users had to agree to before using

    and they obviously agreed

    now they whine about what they agreed to  ?????? confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    these companies have the right to regulate what is said on their platforms.

     

    absolutely !   its in their terms of service which users had to agree to before using

    and they obviously agreed

    now they whine about what they agreed to  ?????? confused

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2021 - 2:11 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    u realize if FB/Twitter were regulated these grifters would have been kicked to the curb 2 years ago. i would love to see social media disappear. don't think it's done much good on a net-basis for the world.

    This. I've never even had a Twitter account. Amazing to me how so many people, including the current President, are so dependent on Twitter. Think about how sick that is for a second. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    u realize if FB/Twitter were regulated these grifters would have been kicked to the curb 2 years ago. i would love to see social media disappear. don't think it's done much good on a net-basis for the world.

    This. I've never even had a Twitter account. Amazing to me how so many people, including the current President, are so dependent on Twitter. Think about how sick that is for a second. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2021 - 2:16 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by Danelaw:

    No no no.. The problem is that WE deposited democracy to these companies.Trump has a right to say everything he wants (except incite violence!) and we must protect his right no matter what.   These bans horrify me.

    This is inaccurate. The President of the United States does not have a right say everything he wants. Where are you getting this idea from? That is not what free speech means, especially as the President of the United States. There are potential civil and criminal consequences for certain kinds of speech, especially as the POTUS. Why do bans from social media companies horrify you? They are not the government. They have no legal authority or control over voluntary citizens. Users should simply stop using social media platforms, if they do not like how they manage and control content and messages. That would definitely take power and influence away from these private companies. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danelaw:

    No no no.. The problem is that WE deposited democracy to these companies.Trump has a right to say everything he wants (except incite violence!) and we must protect his right no matter what.   These bans horrify me.

    This is inaccurate. The President of the United States does not have a right say everything he wants. Where are you getting this idea from? That is not what free speech means, especially as the President of the United States. There are potential civil and criminal consequences for certain kinds of speech, especially as the POTUS. Why do bans from social media companies horrify you? They are not the government. They have no legal authority or control over voluntary citizens. Users should simply stop using social media platforms, if they do not like how they manage and control content and messages. That would definitely take power and influence away from these private companies. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2021 - 10:26 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    rump lost the election , lost the lawsuits , lost the senate , then lost his mind

     

    and now impeached  again

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    rump lost the election , lost the lawsuits , lost the senate , then lost his mind

     

    and now impeached  again

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2021 - 7:14 PM ET #25

    FBI Director Wray says
    over 200 suspects identified
    in the trump-incited Capitol riots

    Investigators have identified more than 200 suspects in their probe of the
    January 6 attack at the US Capitol and arrested more than 100 individuals,
    FBI Director Chris Wray said Thursday in his first public appearance since the riot.

    "We know who you are if you're out there, and FBI agents are coming to find you," an_light
    he said during an inauguration security briefing at FEMA headquarters.

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    FBI Director Wray says
    over 200 suspects identified
    in the trump-incited Capitol riots

    Investigators have identified more than 200 suspects in their probe of the
    January 6 attack at the US Capitol and arrested more than 100 individuals,
    FBI Director Chris Wray said Thursday in his first public appearance since the riot.

    "We know who you are if you're out there, and FBI agents are coming to find you," an_light
    he said during an inauguration security briefing at FEMA headquarters.

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