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    Only during a Trump presidency: White supremicists scream "White Lives Matter" with mock torches

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    sicknesscity
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 5:57 AM ET #226

    Person is supposed to be J----e----w----s or I'll say Jewish people
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    Person is supposed to be J----e----w----s or I'll say Jewish people
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 9:39 AM ET #227

    why was this thread even started?  Take it to MSNBC and return to talking about football.  You hear this S__T 24/7, don't need to hear it here
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    why was this thread even started?  Take it to MSNBC and return to talking about football.  You hear this S__T 24/7, don't need to hear it here
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 10:03 AM ET #228

    This guy is a bigger moron than I ever thought he could be.


    i'm not convinced this is true.  i've mentioned this before and find it kind of fascinating (as pathetic as this situation is) to try and understand what's really going on with trump.  i think there are three likely possibilities.

    1. Giving him no credit- he's a complete moron as ramanujan says.  certainly possible.  likely even.

    2. Giving him a lot of credit- he knows exactly what he's doing.  he's a con man and good at it.  he knows that all of his policies completely f*ck over the overwhelming majority of his supporters (all but the ulotra rich) and the only way he can keep the focus off of his grifting and his sh*tting on his supporters at every opportunity is to feed them the racism, bigotry, misogyny, willful ignorance and overall chaos that they crave. this also serves to preoccupy the media so they don't actually report on how trump is f*cking over trump supporters.  this makes the most sense and seems to be the only way all but the dumbest trump supporters (although we're just talking slight gradations here) can continue to support him.  but, it works.  we can see examples here.

    3. Giving him some credit- he's dealt with politicians all of his life and knows how f*cked up government is.  he's an fool and petty and holds a grudge and somewhere along the way, after getting disrespected by various people in government, decided, i can do what these clowns do and when i get the job, i'm going to show everyone what a shitshow government truly can be with the head clown in charge.  in other words, i think this whole thing might just be a big f*ck you to government and all of the people in government who didn't do his bidding over the years.  also, it's a great place to do his bidding.


    i'm not sure what else explains this guy.  he's not competent in any way to do the job.  he has no interest in doing the job.  he clearly despises the average trump supporter and always has and must love the ability to f*ck them over so badly and have them worship him for it.  he loves grifting.  he's a narcissist.  what else explains this guy?

    i think number 2 is the most likely though.

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    This guy is a bigger moron than I ever thought he could be.


    i'm not convinced this is true.  i've mentioned this before and find it kind of fascinating (as pathetic as this situation is) to try and understand what's really going on with trump.  i think there are three likely possibilities.

    1. Giving him no credit- he's a complete moron as ramanujan says.  certainly possible.  likely even.

    2. Giving him a lot of credit- he knows exactly what he's doing.  he's a con man and good at it.  he knows that all of his policies completely f*ck over the overwhelming majority of his supporters (all but the ulotra rich) and the only way he can keep the focus off of his grifting and his sh*tting on his supporters at every opportunity is to feed them the racism, bigotry, misogyny, willful ignorance and overall chaos that they crave. this also serves to preoccupy the media so they don't actually report on how trump is f*cking over trump supporters.  this makes the most sense and seems to be the only way all but the dumbest trump supporters (although we're just talking slight gradations here) can continue to support him.  but, it works.  we can see examples here.

    3. Giving him some credit- he's dealt with politicians all of his life and knows how f*cked up government is.  he's an fool and petty and holds a grudge and somewhere along the way, after getting disrespected by various people in government, decided, i can do what these clowns do and when i get the job, i'm going to show everyone what a shitshow government truly can be with the head clown in charge.  in other words, i think this whole thing might just be a big f*ck you to government and all of the people in government who didn't do his bidding over the years.  also, it's a great place to do his bidding.


    i'm not sure what else explains this guy.  he's not competent in any way to do the job.  he has no interest in doing the job.  he clearly despises the average trump supporter and always has and must love the ability to f*ck them over so badly and have them worship him for it.  he loves grifting.  he's a narcissist.  what else explains this guy?

    i think number 2 is the most likely though.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 10:36 AM ET #229

    I'm not sure I ever said he's a moron. Though I might have done!

    I do think he is a good example of a middle urban American male in some ways - loud proud bullish xenophobic and believes he loves his country

    Not dissimilar to Dubya even in that regard

    But that is where the similarity ends. Consider the qualities you need and expect from a president 

    Intelligence 
    Bravery
    Tact
    Humility
    Compassion
    Integrity
    Wisdom
    Action not empty words

    All of your previous presidents have had some of these qualities to some degree. He has not a shred

    What was your first memory of your president, your leader?

    What will your children's be?

    He is literally making a mockery of your country's entire presidential legacy. I'm sorry to say America is now a laughing stock from over here. Today it stopped being funny though
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    I'm not sure I ever said he's a moron. Though I might have done!

    I do think he is a good example of a middle urban American male in some ways - loud proud bullish xenophobic and believes he loves his country

    Not dissimilar to Dubya even in that regard

    But that is where the similarity ends. Consider the qualities you need and expect from a president 

    Intelligence 
    Bravery
    Tact
    Humility
    Compassion
    Integrity
    Wisdom
    Action not empty words

    All of your previous presidents have had some of these qualities to some degree. He has not a shred

    What was your first memory of your president, your leader?

    What will your children's be?

    He is literally making a mockery of your country's entire presidential legacy. I'm sorry to say America is now a laughing stock from over here. Today it stopped being funny though
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 10:45 AM ET #230

    I know it doesn't seem possible, dirt, but it's actually all three. And I voted for him, so i'm not not a bitter loser.
    1. He's not an intelligent man. Definitely not as intelligent as people think. Just look at his tweets. Not just the content but the structure and grammar. Everybody equates success in business with intelligence which is asinine. He inherited a business snd his success is that he hasn't ran it completely into the ground. He's left a trail of failures in his wake though.
    2. All of his machinations....from the wall, which I support, and all of the race stuff, serves to occupy our attention while he carries out agendas that will completely f*ck over anyone but the super rich. And somehoe he's done this while at the same time convincing the middle and lower classes of this great country that he has our best interest at heart. That he's fighting for us. A developer who buys his steel from china while American steel mills close down, who manufactures products in China, who repeatedly hires foreign workers for construction projects and in the service industry, this man is fighting for American workers? Ok. He fights to helo the super rich.
    3. He is familiar with politicians and how f*cked up government is. They're all shady and f*cking us over. For all I just said about Trump, clearly it wasn't enough to make me vote for Hillary. Scary.
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    I know it doesn't seem possible, dirt, but it's actually all three. And I voted for him, so i'm not not a bitter loser.
    1. He's not an intelligent man. Definitely not as intelligent as people think. Just look at his tweets. Not just the content but the structure and grammar. Everybody equates success in business with intelligence which is asinine. He inherited a business snd his success is that he hasn't ran it completely into the ground. He's left a trail of failures in his wake though.
    2. All of his machinations....from the wall, which I support, and all of the race stuff, serves to occupy our attention while he carries out agendas that will completely f*ck over anyone but the super rich. And somehoe he's done this while at the same time convincing the middle and lower classes of this great country that he has our best interest at heart. That he's fighting for us. A developer who buys his steel from china while American steel mills close down, who manufactures products in China, who repeatedly hires foreign workers for construction projects and in the service industry, this man is fighting for American workers? Ok. He fights to helo the super rich.
    3. He is familiar with politicians and how f*cked up government is. They're all shady and f*cking us over. For all I just said about Trump, clearly it wasn't enough to make me vote for Hillary. Scary.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 10:49 AM ET #231

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    I can guarantee we're going to continue to disagree on things but ultimately we want the same things and that is often lost in all of this. We're not enemies, bro.

    That is correct.

    We do want the same thing.

    There is one thing I want that I have no control over though.

    I want Donald Trump, Bill O'Reilly, Steve Bannon, Jeff Session, Mitch McConnell, Basically the entire GOP govt with minor exceptions, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Hugh Jorgan, Slovak, Bettingforfun, Cointoss, Mike Huckabee, Jerry Fallwell, Woodrow Wilson, BWS, Richard Nixon, David Duke, Andrew Brietbart to stand before the throne of god on Judgement Day (if there be such two things) and have them see ....a black male (or female) determining their eternal fate.

    And just at that sight, they jump out of the heavens themselves to their ultimate destination, in shame. 

    And if all other the members of GD keep it up, I hope the 


    Same


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    BooYahKah!! Scalabrine has spoken!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    I can guarantee we're going to continue to disagree on things but ultimately we want the same things and that is often lost in all of this. We're not enemies, bro.

    That is correct.

    We do want the same thing.

    There is one thing I want that I have no control over though.

    I want Donald Trump, Bill O'Reilly, Steve Bannon, Jeff Session, Mitch McConnell, Basically the entire GOP govt with minor exceptions, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Hugh Jorgan, Slovak, Bettingforfun, Cointoss, Mike Huckabee, Jerry Fallwell, Woodrow Wilson, BWS, Richard Nixon, David Duke, Andrew Brietbart to stand before the throne of god on Judgement Day (if there be such two things) and have them see ....a black male (or female) determining their eternal fate.

    And just at that sight, they jump out of the heavens themselves to their ultimate destination, in shame. 

    And if all other the members of GD keep it up, I hope the 


    Same


    For


    You!


    BooYahKah!! Scalabrine has spoken!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 11:23 AM ET #232

    Scalabrine baby...  we're going to make a lot of money this autumn.  Tackle football baby!!!  Love ur selections.  
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    Scalabrine baby...  we're going to make a lot of money this autumn.  Tackle football baby!!!  Love ur selections.  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 11:24 AM ET #233

    He is literally making a mockery of your country's entire presidential legacy. I'm sorry to say America is now a laughing stock from over here. Today it stopped being funny though


    this is what i was referring to in 33.  maybe it's never been this bad but when you look at the morons we routinely elect to congress, it's possible he's dealt with these people and had bad experiences with them and decided, any idiot can do this job and when i do it, i'm going to show everyone what a clownshow our government can be.  that's pure speculation but i just don't think there are many other viable explanations for this guy. 

    so, he is making a mockery of the position.  but, is it by design or is it due to incompetence and just being such a terrible person in every observable way?  probably the latter.  other than being born rich, is there any indication this guy is good at anything other than stirring up sh*t and manipulating the poorly educated?
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    He is literally making a mockery of your country's entire presidential legacy. I'm sorry to say America is now a laughing stock from over here. Today it stopped being funny though


    this is what i was referring to in 33.  maybe it's never been this bad but when you look at the morons we routinely elect to congress, it's possible he's dealt with these people and had bad experiences with them and decided, any idiot can do this job and when i do it, i'm going to show everyone what a clownshow our government can be.  that's pure speculation but i just don't think there are many other viable explanations for this guy. 

    so, he is making a mockery of the position.  but, is it by design or is it due to incompetence and just being such a terrible person in every observable way?  probably the latter.  other than being born rich, is there any indication this guy is good at anything other than stirring up sh*t and manipulating the poorly educated?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 11:34 AM ET #234

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    I know it doesn't seem possible, dirt, but it's actually all three. And I voted for him, so i'm not not a bitter loser.
    1. He's not an intelligent man. Definitely not as intelligent as people think. Just look at his tweets. Not just the content but the structure and grammar. Everybody equates success in business with intelligence which is asinine. He inherited a business snd his success is that he hasn't ran it completely into the ground. He's left a trail of failures in his wake though.
    2. All of his machinations....from the wall, which I support, and all of the race stuff, serves to occupy our attention while he carries out agendas that will completely f*ck over anyone but the super rich. And somehoe he's done this while at the same time convincing the middle and lower classes of this great country that he has our best interest at heart. That he's fighting for us. A developer who buys his steel from china while American steel mills close down, who manufactures products in China, who repeatedly hires foreign workers for construction projects and in the service industry, this man is fighting for American workers? Ok. He fights to helo the super rich.
    3. He is familiar with politicians and how f*cked up government is. They're all shady and f*cking us over. For all I just said about Trump, clearly it wasn't enough to make me vote for Hillary. Scary.



    1. i agree he is dumb.  or at least i think he is.  but his rhetoric and his tweets are so dumb, i have to wonder if it isn't a show.  this is the leader of the country. how can he be this friggin proudly and publicly stupid.  if it was a movie, no one would watch it because it's too ridiculous. and yes, being born rich and leaning on all of the assistance and advantages that entails is what incurious and inexperienced people think success looks like. 

    2. that does take some talent.  it's somewhat like the guy who abuses the garbage out of his wife or girlfriend and she continues to stay with him.  only in that situation, which happens all of the time, it's often financial or because of the kids, or she doesn't work and he does, etc.  with trump the abused are free to tell him to f*ck off and vote for someone else but they lvoe him.  i get that people love to have those "other people" to blame their failures on and when you've made nothing of your life, there's a strong feeling of comfort to be able to say, well, i'm better than those people at least, and trump gives them that outlet, but at the end of the day, that doesn't pay the bills or help your kid make a better life or get you in with a doctor when there's a medical problem.  trump is good at this. maybe his one true talent.  that's why i think this explains trump's america the best.

    3. i definitely think there's a f*ck you to all of the people in government who hasn't bowed down to him component to this.  he's saying, f*ck you guys, anyone can do this job and i'll take it a step further.  i won't educate myself as to any of these issues or proposed laws and i'll say whatever stupid sh*t that comes into my head and i'll pander to the worst elements of society and you no one will touch me because i can promise the best welfare to the rich and the corporations and those are the people who matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    I know it doesn't seem possible, dirt, but it's actually all three. And I voted for him, so i'm not not a bitter loser.
    1. He's not an intelligent man. Definitely not as intelligent as people think. Just look at his tweets. Not just the content but the structure and grammar. Everybody equates success in business with intelligence which is asinine. He inherited a business snd his success is that he hasn't ran it completely into the ground. He's left a trail of failures in his wake though.
    2. All of his machinations....from the wall, which I support, and all of the race stuff, serves to occupy our attention while he carries out agendas that will completely f*ck over anyone but the super rich. And somehoe he's done this while at the same time convincing the middle and lower classes of this great country that he has our best interest at heart. That he's fighting for us. A developer who buys his steel from china while American steel mills close down, who manufactures products in China, who repeatedly hires foreign workers for construction projects and in the service industry, this man is fighting for American workers? Ok. He fights to helo the super rich.
    3. He is familiar with politicians and how f*cked up government is. They're all shady and f*cking us over. For all I just said about Trump, clearly it wasn't enough to make me vote for Hillary. Scary.



    1. i agree he is dumb.  or at least i think he is.  but his rhetoric and his tweets are so dumb, i have to wonder if it isn't a show.  this is the leader of the country. how can he be this friggin proudly and publicly stupid.  if it was a movie, no one would watch it because it's too ridiculous. and yes, being born rich and leaning on all of the assistance and advantages that entails is what incurious and inexperienced people think success looks like. 

    2. that does take some talent.  it's somewhat like the guy who abuses the garbage out of his wife or girlfriend and she continues to stay with him.  only in that situation, which happens all of the time, it's often financial or because of the kids, or she doesn't work and he does, etc.  with trump the abused are free to tell him to f*ck off and vote for someone else but they lvoe him.  i get that people love to have those "other people" to blame their failures on and when you've made nothing of your life, there's a strong feeling of comfort to be able to say, well, i'm better than those people at least, and trump gives them that outlet, but at the end of the day, that doesn't pay the bills or help your kid make a better life or get you in with a doctor when there's a medical problem.  trump is good at this. maybe his one true talent.  that's why i think this explains trump's america the best.

    3. i definitely think there's a f*ck you to all of the people in government who hasn't bowed down to him component to this.  he's saying, f*ck you guys, anyone can do this job and i'll take it a step further.  i won't educate myself as to any of these issues or proposed laws and i'll say whatever stupid sh*t that comes into my head and i'll pander to the worst elements of society and you no one will touch me because i can promise the best welfare to the rich and the corporations and those are the people who matter.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 2:02 PM ET #235

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Scal,

    Republicans voted for a guy who is blatantly racist (that is all the birther movement was about and Trump was on the forefront of it) and now this same guy is tweeting that we must all get along/unite and leave hate behind? LOL All he has done is stoke the fires of hate. I mean, just read the article below. The fruit does not fall far from the tree.

    More than a half-century ago, the folk singer Woody Guthrie signed a lease in an apartment complex in Brooklyn. He soon had bitter words for his landlord: Donald J. Trump’s father, Fred C. Trump.

    Mr. Guthrie, in writings uncovered by a scholar working on a book, invoked “Old Man Trump” while suggesting that blacks were unwelcome as tenants in the Trump apartment complex, near Coney Island.

    “He thought that Fred Trump was one who stirs up racial hate, and implicitly profits from it,” the scholar, Will Kaufman, a professor of American literature and culture at the University of Central Lancashire in Britain, said in an interview.

    Mr. Kaufman said he came across Mr. Guthrie’s writings about Fred Trump while he was doing research at the Woody Guthrie Center’s archives in Oklahoma. He wrote about his findings last week for The Conversation, a news website.

    In December 1950, Mr. Guthrie signed a lease at the Beach Haven apartment complex, Mr. Kaufman wrote in his piece. Soon, Mr. Guthrie was “lamenting the bigotry that pervaded his new, lily-white neighborhood,” he wrote, with words like these:

    I suppose
    Old Man Trump knows
    Just how much

    Racial Hate
    he stirred up
    In the bloodpot of human hearts
    When he drawed
    That color line

    Here at his
    Eighteen hundred family project

    Mr. Guthrie even reworked his song “I Ain’t Got No Home” into a critique of Fred Trump, according to Mr. Kaufman:

    Beach Haven ain’t my home!
    I just can’t pay this rent!
    My money’s down the drain!
    And my soul is badly bent!
    Beach Haven looks like heaven
    Where no black ones come to roam!
    No, no, no! Old Man Trump!
    Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!

    Mr. Guthrie died in 1967, and in the 1970s, the Justice Department sued the Trumps, accusing them of discriminating against blacks. (A settlement was eventually reached; at the time, Trump Management noted the agreement did not constitute an admission of guilt.)





    Like I said. The fruit does not fall far from the tree. Guthrie's words about Trump's dad now (unequivocally) apply to his son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Scal,

    Republicans voted for a guy who is blatantly racist (that is all the birther movement was about and Trump was on the forefront of it) and now this same guy is tweeting that we must all get along/unite and leave hate behind? LOL All he has done is stoke the fires of hate. I mean, just read the article below. The fruit does not fall far from the tree.

    More than a half-century ago, the folk singer Woody Guthrie signed a lease in an apartment complex in Brooklyn. He soon had bitter words for his landlord: Donald J. Trump’s father, Fred C. Trump.

    Mr. Guthrie, in writings uncovered by a scholar working on a book, invoked “Old Man Trump” while suggesting that blacks were unwelcome as tenants in the Trump apartment complex, near Coney Island.

    “He thought that Fred Trump was one who stirs up racial hate, and implicitly profits from it,” the scholar, Will Kaufman, a professor of American literature and culture at the University of Central Lancashire in Britain, said in an interview.

    Mr. Kaufman said he came across Mr. Guthrie’s writings about Fred Trump while he was doing research at the Woody Guthrie Center’s archives in Oklahoma. He wrote about his findings last week for The Conversation, a news website.

    In December 1950, Mr. Guthrie signed a lease at the Beach Haven apartment complex, Mr. Kaufman wrote in his piece. Soon, Mr. Guthrie was “lamenting the bigotry that pervaded his new, lily-white neighborhood,” he wrote, with words like these:

    I suppose
    Old Man Trump knows
    Just how much

    Racial Hate
    he stirred up
    In the bloodpot of human hearts
    When he drawed
    That color line

    Here at his
    Eighteen hundred family project

    Mr. Guthrie even reworked his song “I Ain’t Got No Home” into a critique of Fred Trump, according to Mr. Kaufman:

    Beach Haven ain’t my home!
    I just can’t pay this rent!
    My money’s down the drain!
    And my soul is badly bent!
    Beach Haven looks like heaven
    Where no black ones come to roam!
    No, no, no! Old Man Trump!
    Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!

    Mr. Guthrie died in 1967, and in the 1970s, the Justice Department sued the Trumps, accusing them of discriminating against blacks. (A settlement was eventually reached; at the time, Trump Management noted the agreement did not constitute an admission of guilt.)





    Like I said. The fruit does not fall far from the tree. Guthrie's words about Trump's dad now (unequivocally) apply to his son.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    This guy is a bigger moron than I ever thought he could be.


    i'm not convinced this is true.  i've mentioned this before and find it kind of fascinating (as pathetic as this situation is) to try and understand what's really going on with trump.  i think there are three likely possibilities.

    1. Giving him no credit- he's a complete moron as ramanujan says.  certainly possible.  likely even.

    2. Giving him a lot of credit- he knows exactly what he's doing.  he's a con man and good at it.  he knows that all of his policies completely f*ck over the overwhelming majority of his supporters (all but the ulotra rich) and the only way he can keep the focus off of his grifting and his sh*tting on his supporters at every opportunity is to feed them the racism, bigotry, misogyny, willful ignorance and overall chaos that they crave. this also serves to preoccupy the media so they don't actually report on how trump is f*cking over trump supporters.  this makes the most sense and seems to be the only way all but the dumbest trump supporters (although we're just talking slight gradations here) can continue to support him.  but, it works.  we can see examples here.

    3. Giving him some credit- he's dealt with politicians all of his life and knows how f*cked up government is.  he's an fool and petty and holds a grudge and somewhere along the way, after getting disrespected by various people in government, decided, i can do what these clowns do and when i get the job, i'm going to show everyone what a shitshow government truly can be with the head clown in charge.  in other words, i think this whole thing might just be a big f*ck you to government and all of the people in government who didn't do his bidding over the years.  also, it's a great place to do his bidding.


    i'm not sure what else explains this guy.  he's not competent in any way to do the job.  he has no interest in doing the job.  he clearly despises the average trump supporter and always has and must love the ability to f*ck them over so badly and have them worship him for it.  he loves grifting.  he's a narcissist.  what else explains this guy?

    i think number 2 is the most likely though.

    Theory/explanation #4. It s a good read.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/16/donald-trumps-charlottesville-press-conference-showed-his-true-self/570975001/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    This guy is a bigger moron than I ever thought he could be.


    i'm not convinced this is true.  i've mentioned this before and find it kind of fascinating (as pathetic as this situation is) to try and understand what's really going on with trump.  i think there are three likely possibilities.

    1. Giving him no credit- he's a complete moron as ramanujan says.  certainly possible.  likely even.

    2. Giving him a lot of credit- he knows exactly what he's doing.  he's a con man and good at it.  he knows that all of his policies completely f*ck over the overwhelming majority of his supporters (all but the ulotra rich) and the only way he can keep the focus off of his grifting and his sh*tting on his supporters at every opportunity is to feed them the racism, bigotry, misogyny, willful ignorance and overall chaos that they crave. this also serves to preoccupy the media so they don't actually report on how trump is f*cking over trump supporters.  this makes the most sense and seems to be the only way all but the dumbest trump supporters (although we're just talking slight gradations here) can continue to support him.  but, it works.  we can see examples here.

    3. Giving him some credit- he's dealt with politicians all of his life and knows how f*cked up government is.  he's an fool and petty and holds a grudge and somewhere along the way, after getting disrespected by various people in government, decided, i can do what these clowns do and when i get the job, i'm going to show everyone what a shitshow government truly can be with the head clown in charge.  in other words, i think this whole thing might just be a big f*ck you to government and all of the people in government who didn't do his bidding over the years.  also, it's a great place to do his bidding.


    i'm not sure what else explains this guy.  he's not competent in any way to do the job.  he has no interest in doing the job.  he clearly despises the average trump supporter and always has and must love the ability to f*ck them over so badly and have them worship him for it.  he loves grifting.  he's a narcissist.  what else explains this guy?

    i think number 2 is the most likely though.

    Theory/explanation #4. It s a good read.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/16/donald-trumps-charlottesville-press-conference-showed-his-true-self/570975001/
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    This guy is a bigger moron than I ever thought he could be.


    i'm not convinced this is true.  i've mentioned this before and find it kind of fascinating (as pathetic as this situation is) to try and understand what's really going on with trump.  i think there are three likely possibilities.

    1. Giving him no credit- he's a complete moron as ramanujan says.  certainly possible.  likely even.

    2. Giving him a lot of credit- he knows exactly what he's doing.  he's a con man and good at it.  he knows that all of his policies completely f*ck over the overwhelming majority of his supporters (all but the ulotra rich) and the only way he can keep the focus off of his grifting and his sh*tting on his supporters at every opportunity is to feed them the racism, bigotry, misogyny, willful ignorance and overall chaos that they crave. this also serves to preoccupy the media so they don't actually report on how trump is f*cking over trump supporters.  this makes the most sense and seems to be the only way all but the dumbest trump supporters (although we're just talking slight gradations here) can continue to support him.  but, it works.  we can see examples here.

    3. Giving him some credit- he's dealt with politicians all of his life and knows how f*cked up government is.  he's an fool and petty and holds a grudge and somewhere along the way, after getting disrespected by various people in government, decided, i can do what these clowns do and when i get the job, i'm going to show everyone what a shitshow government truly can be with the head clown in charge.  in other words, i think this whole thing might just be a big f*ck you to government and all of the people in government who didn't do his bidding over the years.  also, it's a great place to do his bidding.


    i'm not sure what else explains this guy.  he's not competent in any way to do the job.  he has no interest in doing the job.  he clearly despises the average trump supporter and always has and must love the ability to f*ck them over so badly and have them worship him for it.  he loves grifting.  he's a narcissist.  what else explains this guy?

    i think number 2 is the most likely though.


    all 3

    a chameleon 



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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    This guy is a bigger moron than I ever thought he could be.


    i'm not convinced this is true.  i've mentioned this before and find it kind of fascinating (as pathetic as this situation is) to try and understand what's really going on with trump.  i think there are three likely possibilities.

    1. Giving him no credit- he's a complete moron as ramanujan says.  certainly possible.  likely even.

    2. Giving him a lot of credit- he knows exactly what he's doing.  he's a con man and good at it.  he knows that all of his policies completely f*ck over the overwhelming majority of his supporters (all but the ulotra rich) and the only way he can keep the focus off of his grifting and his sh*tting on his supporters at every opportunity is to feed them the racism, bigotry, misogyny, willful ignorance and overall chaos that they crave. this also serves to preoccupy the media so they don't actually report on how trump is f*cking over trump supporters.  this makes the most sense and seems to be the only way all but the dumbest trump supporters (although we're just talking slight gradations here) can continue to support him.  but, it works.  we can see examples here.

    3. Giving him some credit- he's dealt with politicians all of his life and knows how f*cked up government is.  he's an fool and petty and holds a grudge and somewhere along the way, after getting disrespected by various people in government, decided, i can do what these clowns do and when i get the job, i'm going to show everyone what a shitshow government truly can be with the head clown in charge.  in other words, i think this whole thing might just be a big f*ck you to government and all of the people in government who didn't do his bidding over the years.  also, it's a great place to do his bidding.


    i'm not sure what else explains this guy.  he's not competent in any way to do the job.  he has no interest in doing the job.  he clearly despises the average trump supporter and always has and must love the ability to f*ck them over so badly and have them worship him for it.  he loves grifting.  he's a narcissist.  what else explains this guy?

    i think number 2 is the most likely though.


    all 3

    a chameleon 



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

       Most Americans don't support overt racism these days so these white nationalists aren't going to take America back over and oppress others.  Someone should tell them most person are educated and have money so they're going nowhere.

    Ugh, I hate to disagree but the number of Americans who harbor racist beliefs is certainly more than we want to admit. Groups like BLM have themselves divided the public and likely created some awareness as well as anger. 

    Its doesn't mean that these Americans support Nazis or the group but rather are going to be receptive to Trump's comments about blame on all sides. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

       Most Americans don't support overt racism these days so these white nationalists aren't going to take America back over and oppress others.  Someone should tell them most person are educated and have money so they're going nowhere.

    Ugh, I hate to disagree but the number of Americans who harbor racist beliefs is certainly more than we want to admit. Groups like BLM have themselves divided the public and likely created some awareness as well as anger. 

    Its doesn't mean that these Americans support Nazis or the group but rather are going to be receptive to Trump's comments about blame on all sides. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Theory/explanation #4. It s a good read.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/16/donald-trumps-charlottesville-press-conference-showed-his-true-self/570975001/



    yeah, that's a good one.


    4. he's a solipsist.  no shame in having to google this one.  i'm familiar with the term but it should be googled to get a full picture of what it means.  like narcissism on steroids but more delusional.  it definitely fits and it is worse than being a garden variety racist in many ways. racism can be cured with the exposure to people of other races.  you don't see too many racists in sports.  some, but not like the in areas without diversity. anyway, solipsism has an element of psychopathy in someone like trump. 
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Theory/explanation #4. It s a good read.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/16/donald-trumps-charlottesville-press-conference-showed-his-true-self/570975001/



    yeah, that's a good one.


    4. he's a solipsist.  no shame in having to google this one.  i'm familiar with the term but it should be googled to get a full picture of what it means.  like narcissism on steroids but more delusional.  it definitely fits and it is worse than being a garden variety racist in many ways. racism can be cured with the exposure to people of other races.  you don't see too many racists in sports.  some, but not like the in areas without diversity. anyway, solipsism has an element of psychopathy in someone like trump. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    This guy is a bigger moron than I ever thought he could be.


    i'm not convinced this is true.  i've mentioned this before and find it kind of fascinating (as pathetic as this situation is) to try and understand what's really going on with trump.  i think there are three likely possibilities.

    1. Giving him no credit- he's a complete moron as ramanujan says.  certainly possible.  likely even.

    2. Giving him a lot of credit- he knows exactly what he's doing.  he's a con man and good at it.  he knows that all of his policies completely f*ck over the overwhelming majority of his supporters (all but the ulotra rich) and the only way he can keep the focus off of his grifting and his sh*tting on his supporters at every opportunity is to feed them the racism, bigotry, misogyny, willful ignorance and overall chaos that they crave. this also serves to preoccupy the media so they don't actually report on how trump is f*cking over trump supporters.  this makes the most sense and seems to be the only way all but the dumbest trump supporters (although we're just talking slight gradations here) can continue to support him.  but, it works.  we can see examples here.

    3. Giving him some credit- he's dealt with politicians all of his life and knows how f*cked up government is.  he's an fool and petty and holds a grudge and somewhere along the way, after getting disrespected by various people in government, decided, i can do what these clowns do and when i get the job, i'm going to show everyone what a shitshow government truly can be with the head clown in charge.  in other words, i think this whole thing might just be a big f*ck you to government and all of the people in government who didn't do his bidding over the years.  also, it's a great place to do his bidding.


    i'm not sure what else explains this guy.  he's not competent in any way to do the job.  he has no interest in doing the job.  he clearly despises the average trump supporter and always has and must love the ability to f*ck them over so badly and have them worship him for it.  he loves grifting.  he's a narcissist.  what else explains this guy?

    i think number 2 is the most likely though.


    Nice post. Number two for sure. It fits into my post above. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    This guy is a bigger moron than I ever thought he could be.


    i'm not convinced this is true.  i've mentioned this before and find it kind of fascinating (as pathetic as this situation is) to try and understand what's really going on with trump.  i think there are three likely possibilities.

    1. Giving him no credit- he's a complete moron as ramanujan says.  certainly possible.  likely even.

    2. Giving him a lot of credit- he knows exactly what he's doing.  he's a con man and good at it.  he knows that all of his policies completely f*ck over the overwhelming majority of his supporters (all but the ulotra rich) and the only way he can keep the focus off of his grifting and his sh*tting on his supporters at every opportunity is to feed them the racism, bigotry, misogyny, willful ignorance and overall chaos that they crave. this also serves to preoccupy the media so they don't actually report on how trump is f*cking over trump supporters.  this makes the most sense and seems to be the only way all but the dumbest trump supporters (although we're just talking slight gradations here) can continue to support him.  but, it works.  we can see examples here.

    3. Giving him some credit- he's dealt with politicians all of his life and knows how f*cked up government is.  he's an fool and petty and holds a grudge and somewhere along the way, after getting disrespected by various people in government, decided, i can do what these clowns do and when i get the job, i'm going to show everyone what a shitshow government truly can be with the head clown in charge.  in other words, i think this whole thing might just be a big f*ck you to government and all of the people in government who didn't do his bidding over the years.  also, it's a great place to do his bidding.


    i'm not sure what else explains this guy.  he's not competent in any way to do the job.  he has no interest in doing the job.  he clearly despises the average trump supporter and always has and must love the ability to f*ck them over so badly and have them worship him for it.  he loves grifting.  he's a narcissist.  what else explains this guy?

    i think number 2 is the most likely though.


    Nice post. Number two for sure. It fits into my post above. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Nice post. Number two for sure. It fits into my post above. 







    this is funny and sad. 

    https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/897598423620255746
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Nice post. Number two for sure. It fits into my post above. 







    this is funny and sad. 

    https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/897598423620255746
     
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    Ugh, I hate to disagree but the number of Americans who harbor racist beliefs is certainly more than we want to admit. Groups like BLM have themselves divided the public and likely created some awareness as well as anger. 

    Its doesn't mean that these Americans support Nazis or the group but rather are going to be receptive to Trump's comments about blame on all sides. 

    WOW, a mod I agree with, this doesn't happen often  
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    Ugh, I hate to disagree but the number of Americans who harbor racist beliefs is certainly more than we want to admit. Groups like BLM have themselves divided the public and likely created some awareness as well as anger. 

    Its doesn't mean that these Americans support Nazis or the group but rather are going to be receptive to Trump's comments about blame on all sides. 

    WOW, a mod I agree with, this doesn't happen often  
     
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    Liberals have established groups of people whose only jobs are to find something offensive to liberals. Many good jobs for liberals depend on keeping racism alive.
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    Liberals have established groups of people whose only jobs are to find something offensive to liberals. Many good jobs for liberals depend on keeping racism alive.
     
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    Only the left would perceive super predators carrying clubs and wearing masks as innocent players in a riot..

    I read a lot how america is the laughing stock but rarely see a list of the countries doing the laughing. If anyone would like to compile a list of countries laughing at america id like to see it. Don't bother including britain, france, germany, russia, mexico, iran, iraq, syria, pakistan, yemen, japan, n korea, and all the usual suspects. Be an interesting read.

    Britain has a myriad of problems brexit on their hands.
    France, france couldn't flush out a terrorist if he/she were wearing a sign. Germany is a mess, with immigration and green power disaster, russia, nuff' said, iran, iraq syria they souldn't be laughing at anything, china with one of the worlds worst human rights records who exactly is laughing at america?


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    Only the left would perceive super predators carrying clubs and wearing masks as innocent players in a riot..

    I read a lot how america is the laughing stock but rarely see a list of the countries doing the laughing. If anyone would like to compile a list of countries laughing at america id like to see it. Don't bother including britain, france, germany, russia, mexico, iran, iraq, syria, pakistan, yemen, japan, n korea, and all the usual suspects. Be an interesting read.

    Britain has a myriad of problems brexit on their hands.
    France, france couldn't flush out a terrorist if he/she were wearing a sign. Germany is a mess, with immigration and green power disaster, russia, nuff' said, iran, iraq syria they souldn't be laughing at anything, china with one of the worlds worst human rights records who exactly is laughing at america?


     
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    When disaster strikes a country, who is the first one to come forward and offer assistance in anyway possible ?

    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
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    When disaster strikes a country, who is the first one to come forward and offer assistance in anyway possible ?

    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 5:03 PM ET #246

    Now when Katrina struck or hurricane Sandy struck which country stepped forward and offered immediate help ? Anyone ?


    Anyone ?  
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    Now when Katrina struck or hurricane Sandy struck which country stepped forward and offered immediate help ? Anyone ?


    Anyone ?  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 5:12 PM ET #247

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Ugh, I hate to disagree but the number of Americans who harbor racist beliefs is certainly more than we want to admit. Groups like BLM have themselves divided the public and likely created some awareness as well as anger. 

    Its doesn't mean that these Americans support Nazis or the group but rather are going to be receptive to Trump's comments about blame on all sides. 


    Well, it's hard to quantify something like that and let's say even if it's 20 or 30 percent of America, that's not enough to actually support white nationalists into office.  I don't believe it's half of Americans, even though people may generalize and there are shades of racism, it's a lot different than automatically hating everyone else who doesn't look exactly like you and believing they aren't equal human beings.  I don't watch Jim Jefferies' show pretty much ever, but my friend put it on last night for the opening segment and I think it's the closest description I've heard that nailed what happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Ugh, I hate to disagree but the number of Americans who harbor racist beliefs is certainly more than we want to admit. Groups like BLM have themselves divided the public and likely created some awareness as well as anger. 

    Its doesn't mean that these Americans support Nazis or the group but rather are going to be receptive to Trump's comments about blame on all sides. 


    Well, it's hard to quantify something like that and let's say even if it's 20 or 30 percent of America, that's not enough to actually support white nationalists into office.  I don't believe it's half of Americans, even though people may generalize and there are shades of racism, it's a lot different than automatically hating everyone else who doesn't look exactly like you and believing they aren't equal human beings.  I don't watch Jim Jefferies' show pretty much ever, but my friend put it on last night for the opening segment and I think it's the closest description I've heard that nailed what happened.
     
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    He condemned both neo-nazis and white supremacists. He also condemned violent liberal trash disguised as anti-fascists.
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    He condemned both neo-nazis and white supremacists. He also condemned violent liberal trash disguised as anti-fascists.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2017 - 5:18 PM ET #249

    Quote Originally Posted by lovethedough:

    He condemned both neo-nazis and white supremacists. He also condemned violent liberal trash disguised as anti-fascists.

    One of those groups idolize a race that killed 11 million people. Another of those groups idolize a group that would randomly lynch black children to create terror. 

    Another of those groups is simply someone with whom you disagree with ideologically. 

    See where I am going here. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovethedough:

    He condemned both neo-nazis and white supremacists. He also condemned violent liberal trash disguised as anti-fascists.

    One of those groups idolize a race that killed 11 million people. Another of those groups idolize a group that would randomly lynch black children to create terror. 

    Another of those groups is simply someone with whom you disagree with ideologically. 

    See where I am going here. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    One of those groups idolize a race that killed 11 million people. Another of those groups idolize a group that would randomly lynch black children to create terror. 

    Another of those groups is simply someone with whom you disagree with ideologically. 

    See where I am going here. 


    he probably doesn't.

    but i also like post 244 where the guy refers to the people who oppose nazis and white supremacists as super predators. 


    trump sure does bring these folks out into the light.  have to give him some credit for that, i guess. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    One of those groups idolize a race that killed 11 million people. Another of those groups idolize a group that would randomly lynch black children to create terror. 

    Another of those groups is simply someone with whom you disagree with ideologically. 

    See where I am going here. 


    he probably doesn't.

    but i also like post 244 where the guy refers to the people who oppose nazis and white supremacists as super predators. 


    trump sure does bring these folks out into the light.  have to give him some credit for that, i guess. 
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