15% of US population is foreign born and illegal immigrants account for 3-4%. Economists generally see immigration as positive for US economy. Polls show most Americans agree. Both legal and illegal immigrants contribute as workers, consumers, tax payers and entrepreneurs. Also they are less likely to commit crimes than US born citizens.
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15% of US population is foreign born and illegal immigrants account for 3-4%. Economists generally see immigration as positive for US economy. Polls show most Americans agree. Both legal and illegal immigrants contribute as workers, consumers, tax payers and entrepreneurs. Also they are less likely to commit crimes than US born citizens.
I would be less bothered IF two things happened instead-
1, Deport the convicted criminals to Trump Island including the white doods and those with money, get rid of the convicted dregs of society
2. Instead of making ICE prisons change the immigration system and give an 18 month opportunity for ANY illegal to safely come to hundreds of facilities to have the opportunity to legally gain citizenship, that means HUNDREDS of facilities and no ICE goons waiting to pounce AND the staffing required with time to process those seeking to be citizens. Then after at a min of 18 months of open opportunity, THEN start to legally process those who did not take the open opportunity.
The problem is the TNC crowd like Raiders above want to create havoc and harm as a narrative rather than give opportunity and the chance that MILLIONS of others took over the 250 years to come here and live life.
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I would be less bothered IF two things happened instead-
1, Deport the convicted criminals to Trump Island including the white doods and those with money, get rid of the convicted dregs of society
2. Instead of making ICE prisons change the immigration system and give an 18 month opportunity for ANY illegal to safely come to hundreds of facilities to have the opportunity to legally gain citizenship, that means HUNDREDS of facilities and no ICE goons waiting to pounce AND the staffing required with time to process those seeking to be citizens. Then after at a min of 18 months of open opportunity, THEN start to legally process those who did not take the open opportunity.
The problem is the TNC crowd like Raiders above want to create havoc and harm as a narrative rather than give opportunity and the chance that MILLIONS of others took over the 250 years to come here and live life.
15% of US population is foreign born and illegal immigrants account for 3-4%. Economists generally see immigration as positive for US economy. Polls show most Americans agree. Both legal and illegal immigrants contribute as workers, consumers, tax payers and entrepreneurs. Also they are less likely to commit crimes than US born citizens.
Who cares? It is not just an economic issue.
Who cares if they contribute even more than your own lazy citizens?
That is not the issue.
Just lazy logic the Left uses to justify importing more illegals.
No real economist will justify a good economy off of the backs of modern day slavery.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
15% of US population is foreign born and illegal immigrants account for 3-4%. Economists generally see immigration as positive for US economy. Polls show most Americans agree. Both legal and illegal immigrants contribute as workers, consumers, tax payers and entrepreneurs. Also they are less likely to commit crimes than US born citizens.
Who cares? It is not just an economic issue.
Who cares if they contribute even more than your own lazy citizens?
That is not the issue.
Just lazy logic the Left uses to justify importing more illegals.
No real economist will justify a good economy off of the backs of modern day slavery.
Says someone that has not faced a broken system without resources or opportunity. Maybe the script should be flipped and its white dood deportation without any resources or explanation or recourse.
When did that happen? I think that was WWII if I recall, one group got "deported" and all the others stood by allowing it. I guess your version of the US does not include equity, opportunity, freedom and representation. Mine does...
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@Raiders22
Says someone that has not faced a broken system without resources or opportunity. Maybe the script should be flipped and its white dood deportation without any resources or explanation or recourse.
When did that happen? I think that was WWII if I recall, one group got "deported" and all the others stood by allowing it. I guess your version of the US does not include equity, opportunity, freedom and representation. Mine does...
Pretty disgusting view almost like someone who never needed opportunity or resources. Ive been in the opposite position in life and maybe that is why I understand and view everyone as human not just white legal citizens as Trump does.
If you want to stand on a pulpit you better have the house in order first and our immigration system has never been in order through the entire history of this country.
Instead of dropping bombs on Israels enemies we could have built that stupid wall and staffed it for a decade, set a moratorium on the ICE goons, give anyone seeking citizenship a 18 month window to find it and THEN lay down the draconian sword that you are wielding but only after being respectful and considerate first.
There is not a single legal citizen who has their lineage which meets your measure, not a single one. This country does not exist with your framework and viewpoint but yeah lets throw down the axe because we got ours and who cares about anyone else.
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@Raiders22
Pretty disgusting view almost like someone who never needed opportunity or resources. Ive been in the opposite position in life and maybe that is why I understand and view everyone as human not just white legal citizens as Trump does.
If you want to stand on a pulpit you better have the house in order first and our immigration system has never been in order through the entire history of this country.
Instead of dropping bombs on Israels enemies we could have built that stupid wall and staffed it for a decade, set a moratorium on the ICE goons, give anyone seeking citizenship a 18 month window to find it and THEN lay down the draconian sword that you are wielding but only after being respectful and considerate first.
There is not a single legal citizen who has their lineage which meets your measure, not a single one. This country does not exist with your framework and viewpoint but yeah lets throw down the axe because we got ours and who cares about anyone else.
I would be less bothered IF two things happened instead- 1, Deport the convicted criminals to Trump Island including the white doods and those with money, get rid of the convicted dregs of society 2. Instead of making ICE prisons change the immigration system and give an 18 month opportunity for ANY illegal to safely come to hundreds of facilities to have the opportunity to legally gain citizenship, that means HUNDREDS of facilities and no ICE goons waiting to pounce AND the staffing required with time to process those seeking to be citizens. Then after at a min of 18 months of open opportunity, THEN start to legally process those who did not take the open opportunity. The problem is the TNC crowd like Raiders above want to create havoc and harm as a narrative rather than give opportunity and the chance that MILLIONS of others took over the 250 years to come here and live life.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
I would be less bothered IF two things happened instead- 1, Deport the convicted criminals to Trump Island including the white doods and those with money, get rid of the convicted dregs of society 2. Instead of making ICE prisons change the immigration system and give an 18 month opportunity for ANY illegal to safely come to hundreds of facilities to have the opportunity to legally gain citizenship, that means HUNDREDS of facilities and no ICE goons waiting to pounce AND the staffing required with time to process those seeking to be citizens. Then after at a min of 18 months of open opportunity, THEN start to legally process those who did not take the open opportunity. The problem is the TNC crowd like Raiders above want to create havoc and harm as a narrative rather than give opportunity and the chance that MILLIONS of others took over the 250 years to come here and live life.
The rules work when the system and framework are pure and without flaw. Its almost like you are saying corruption and fraud are ok because who cares we are here and that is all that matters.
As a people we expect the system to be fair, honest, legitimate and free of fraud in order to enforce what laws we have in place. If the system is incomplete and inadequate and we are detaining people who are citizens and/or law abiding means the first focus and priority must be to fix what is broken before we start mass deportation.
It is almost like you have no interest in giving illegals the opportunity, resources and choices that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people received since this country was founded illegally.
We are all ilegals..you included.
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@Raiders22
The rules work when the system and framework are pure and without flaw. Its almost like you are saying corruption and fraud are ok because who cares we are here and that is all that matters.
As a people we expect the system to be fair, honest, legitimate and free of fraud in order to enforce what laws we have in place. If the system is incomplete and inadequate and we are detaining people who are citizens and/or law abiding means the first focus and priority must be to fix what is broken before we start mass deportation.
It is almost like you have no interest in giving illegals the opportunity, resources and choices that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people received since this country was founded illegally.
It is absolutely nothing at all like saying corruption and fraud are okay; they are not. That is silly.
No. As a people you should expect the country's laws to be upheld. If you want them changed, then change them.
Nothing is broken in the system except you are not enforcing the rules -- by choice. Fix that and everything else works itself out.
You see that with the sudden decrease in illegals when the Left insisted 'new changes' needed to be made -- it was all nonsense. Just enforce the current laws and rules.
As someone who lives in multiple countries, I have done it all according to each country's laws and regulations.
That is all the other folks need to do as well.
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Enforce the rules and fix the flaws.
It is absolutely nothing at all like saying corruption and fraud are okay; they are not. That is silly.
No. As a people you should expect the country's laws to be upheld. If you want them changed, then change them.
Nothing is broken in the system except you are not enforcing the rules -- by choice. Fix that and everything else works itself out.
You see that with the sudden decrease in illegals when the Left insisted 'new changes' needed to be made -- it was all nonsense. Just enforce the current laws and rules.
As someone who lives in multiple countries, I have done it all according to each country's laws and regulations.
Our immigration system has NEVER functioned properly, in 250 years it has never been without flaws..it is not in the last two years or the last six years or the last twenty years. The immigration system does not serve the core principals that founded this country. If we had your logic and flippant view of other humans then NONE of us would be here. Hundreds of millions of people have slipped through and around the immigration system and have manipulated its flaws like my mother and Trumps family and your family and every single family in this country.
The US was founded on the abuse of the very system you claim needs to be enforced, we are all illegals because if the system has never worked properly and has never been fair or just and discriminates then NONE of us are legal...all of us are illegal. MILLIONS of people have lived here for long periods of time not having citizenship, using your angry blanket approach NONE of us would be here let alone the way we have trashed on the native Americans and minorities over our past.
If nothing you fix the flaws first and give fair and reasonable opportunity for ANYONE living here NOW and make a fair and honest deadline, give anyone the chance that MILLIONS received and were granted grace through the very flawed system we still have now.
It is quite sad how your side views illegals as sub human and not deserving of respect and consideration...like insects who are taking from your privilege as if you deserve opportunities and they do not.
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@Raiders22
Our immigration system has NEVER functioned properly, in 250 years it has never been without flaws..it is not in the last two years or the last six years or the last twenty years. The immigration system does not serve the core principals that founded this country. If we had your logic and flippant view of other humans then NONE of us would be here. Hundreds of millions of people have slipped through and around the immigration system and have manipulated its flaws like my mother and Trumps family and your family and every single family in this country.
The US was founded on the abuse of the very system you claim needs to be enforced, we are all illegals because if the system has never worked properly and has never been fair or just and discriminates then NONE of us are legal...all of us are illegal. MILLIONS of people have lived here for long periods of time not having citizenship, using your angry blanket approach NONE of us would be here let alone the way we have trashed on the native Americans and minorities over our past.
If nothing you fix the flaws first and give fair and reasonable opportunity for ANYONE living here NOW and make a fair and honest deadline, give anyone the chance that MILLIONS received and were granted grace through the very flawed system we still have now.
It is quite sad how your side views illegals as sub human and not deserving of respect and consideration...like insects who are taking from your privilege as if you deserve opportunities and they do not.
Do not put words in my mouth like you did Trump a few posts back. I do not view illegals as sub human. I just view them as illegal.
I do not fault them. I have been to the parts of some of the places they are coming from. I would do the same thing.
That is not the issue. The issue is allowing them to come in illegally, more or less encouraging them, and letting them stay.
There is certainly no reciprocation. Try to go to Mexico illegally and set up camp there.
If they know they are not going to be allowed in and if they get in they will be deported -- they will stop coming in illegally. You have already seen how that halted the flood of illegals.
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Do not put words in my mouth like you did Trump a few posts back. I do not view illegals as sub human. I just view them as illegal.
I do not fault them. I have been to the parts of some of the places they are coming from. I would do the same thing.
That is not the issue. The issue is allowing them to come in illegally, more or less encouraging them, and letting them stay.
There is certainly no reciprocation. Try to go to Mexico illegally and set up camp there.
If they know they are not going to be allowed in and if they get in they will be deported -- they will stop coming in illegally. You have already seen how that halted the flood of illegals.
The system certainly worked just fine for many years. It was adjusted according to what the country felt was needed at the time and wanted at the time.
That was for legal immigrants.
No system works if you do not start off by enforcing it.
Then if things change and the system needs changing then you change it -- just as in the past.
But illegals are the issue and not legal immigrants. That part of the system is not flawed either, the rules and laws of the system are just not enforced.
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The system certainly worked just fine for many years. It was adjusted according to what the country felt was needed at the time and wanted at the time.
That was for legal immigrants.
No system works if you do not start off by enforcing it.
Then if things change and the system needs changing then you change it -- just as in the past.
But illegals are the issue and not legal immigrants. That part of the system is not flawed either, the rules and laws of the system are just not enforced.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: ...so all illegals should be deported even those who are law abiding, hard working honest humans? Brilliant...lucky us white doods werent treated with the same logic and the colonists, the millions of immigrants over 250 years. Solid thinking...fix the broken system before you mass deport brown hunt like your side is doing right now.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: ...so all illegals should be deported even those who are law abiding, hard working honest humans? Brilliant...lucky us white doods werent treated with the same logic and the colonists, the millions of immigrants over 250 years. Solid thinking...fix the broken system before you mass deport brown hunt like your side is doing right now.
For decades, US immigration system has been broken because of outdated laws, administrative backlogs, disconnect with economic needs and political gridlock.
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For decades, US immigration system has been broken because of outdated laws, administrative backlogs, disconnect with economic needs and political gridlock.
The system certainly worked just fine for many years. It was adjusted according to what the country felt was needed at the time and wanted at the time. That was for legal immigrants. No system works if you do not start off by enforcing it. Then if things change and the system needs changing then you change it -- just as in the past. But illegals are the issue and not legal immigrants. That part of the system is not flawed either, the rules and laws of the system are just not enforced.
Not sure why I reply given the way you see things is so flawed and you are closed minded so truth means nothing to you its all partisan narrative.
The system has not worked for many years, that is a total lie because a system has to be complete and flawless to work JUST FINE. Notice that your dood has dropped the wall narrative because it was only that, a narrative just like his first tromp through office, yammer and hate the brown guy build the wall and then zippo but blame the other side whatever and in the end nothing is done. Now we see the same, there is ZERO chance the wall gets any level of activity before he is done and gee I wonder if this was the plan all along?
An immigration system working just fine means just fine for EVERYONE it also means fair and reasonable process with representation and access to everyone not just the wealthy doods but to every single person seeking citizenship. Now its pay to play and if you are brown get the crap out of the USA.
When you speak of things working just fine when that means just for a certain subsection it means you are biased and focused on your agenda not that you care about every breathing human just that your tiny circle of acceptance gets proper access and opportunity.
If a system fails a single person let alone a sub group it is NOT working JUST FINE. If you really want proper immigration that will cost the taxpayers a crap ton of money and the government would have to actually have people to do the work giving access and clarity and process to ALL not just white guys flying over on priv visas.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
The system certainly worked just fine for many years. It was adjusted according to what the country felt was needed at the time and wanted at the time. That was for legal immigrants. No system works if you do not start off by enforcing it. Then if things change and the system needs changing then you change it -- just as in the past. But illegals are the issue and not legal immigrants. That part of the system is not flawed either, the rules and laws of the system are just not enforced.
Not sure why I reply given the way you see things is so flawed and you are closed minded so truth means nothing to you its all partisan narrative.
The system has not worked for many years, that is a total lie because a system has to be complete and flawless to work JUST FINE. Notice that your dood has dropped the wall narrative because it was only that, a narrative just like his first tromp through office, yammer and hate the brown guy build the wall and then zippo but blame the other side whatever and in the end nothing is done. Now we see the same, there is ZERO chance the wall gets any level of activity before he is done and gee I wonder if this was the plan all along?
An immigration system working just fine means just fine for EVERYONE it also means fair and reasonable process with representation and access to everyone not just the wealthy doods but to every single person seeking citizenship. Now its pay to play and if you are brown get the crap out of the USA.
When you speak of things working just fine when that means just for a certain subsection it means you are biased and focused on your agenda not that you care about every breathing human just that your tiny circle of acceptance gets proper access and opportunity.
If a system fails a single person let alone a sub group it is NOT working JUST FINE. If you really want proper immigration that will cost the taxpayers a crap ton of money and the government would have to actually have people to do the work giving access and clarity and process to ALL not just white guys flying over on priv visas.
Incorrect. The system is fine. It worked fine for years. When it needed to be adjusted, it was adjusted as the country saw fit.
The system flat-out has rules and regulations to come legally into the country.
What is flawed and not working is the enforcement of the system.
Do not allow illegals into the country and when they are found to be in the country illegally deport them.
Easy-peasy. Nothing wrong with that system at all. The system has not failed a single person except those that have allowed their politicians to not enforce the laws and stop illegals from entering and from deporting them when they are found.
But this is a Hall-of-Fame Far Left Radical issue.
Even though none can coherently articulate why the country should allow a free-for-all they want you to just respect their inadequate thinking that results in an illogical decision.
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Incorrect. The system is fine. It worked fine for years. When it needed to be adjusted, it was adjusted as the country saw fit.
The system flat-out has rules and regulations to come legally into the country.
What is flawed and not working is the enforcement of the system.
Do not allow illegals into the country and when they are found to be in the country illegally deport them.
Easy-peasy. Nothing wrong with that system at all. The system has not failed a single person except those that have allowed their politicians to not enforce the laws and stop illegals from entering and from deporting them when they are found.
But this is a Hall-of-Fame Far Left Radical issue.
Even though none can coherently articulate why the country should allow a free-for-all they want you to just respect their inadequate thinking that results in an illogical decision.
For decades, US immigration system has been broken because of outdated laws, administrative backlogs, disconnect with economic needs and political gridlock.
So, break this down and let us see what you think you mean by this.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
For decades, US immigration system has been broken because of outdated laws, administrative backlogs, disconnect with economic needs and political gridlock.
So, break this down and let us see what you think you mean by this.
Worked to you means your circle is serviced, worked to me means EVERYONE is serviced even those with less means and no understanding of the system.
You live in a bubble of partisan entitlement and it is rare to never that you have understanding and concern for others who do not meet the elitist metric that you find to be JUST FINE.
There are too many people who are not being taken care of with our current immigration system to claim it is just fine. NOTHING that the government does in any fashion is just fine.
But hey if brown is bad and Trump blabbers on social media to you that means just fine. I think you need to exist only with the elitist partisan out of touch GOP group you feel is serviced just fine and forget about the massive number of people who are not being represented or taken in consideration.
I guess that kid who died the other day in detention is the sign of a system working just fine...how dare that minor child be brown skinned and dare to have his family seek to live here.
Disgusting...
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@Raiders22
Worked to you means your circle is serviced, worked to me means EVERYONE is serviced even those with less means and no understanding of the system.
You live in a bubble of partisan entitlement and it is rare to never that you have understanding and concern for others who do not meet the elitist metric that you find to be JUST FINE.
There are too many people who are not being taken care of with our current immigration system to claim it is just fine. NOTHING that the government does in any fashion is just fine.
But hey if brown is bad and Trump blabbers on social media to you that means just fine. I think you need to exist only with the elitist partisan out of touch GOP group you feel is serviced just fine and forget about the massive number of people who are not being represented or taken in consideration.
I guess that kid who died the other day in detention is the sign of a system working just fine...how dare that minor child be brown skinned and dare to have his family seek to live here.
@wallstreetcappers This is totally absurd logic when you look closely at it. But what more can be expected from someone that cannot differentiate a man from a woman. So, naturally you would not be expected to be able to separate an illegal person from a legal person. You also are okay with allowing violent criminals to roam freely in your country and to repeatedly commit violent criminal acts. So, of course you are okay with someone breaking laws just to enter your country. Just imagine if India and China were your neighbors. Your country would quite quickly just become another third-world country. What two things do we always say: You can always look to Europe to see the effects of these Leftist ideas. You cannot reason someone away from a position when reason is not what got them there in the first place. There are valid reasons countries have borders and not just let it be an open border.
Atrocious take...so elitist and snobbish it is disgusting to see this roll off your computer like THOSE people are third world and lesser than me and my elitist TNC friends.
Wow...that you think this way about anyone and that you actually correlate crime in this fashion, it is beyond obtuse it is blind partisan throw up.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@wallstreetcappers This is totally absurd logic when you look closely at it. But what more can be expected from someone that cannot differentiate a man from a woman. So, naturally you would not be expected to be able to separate an illegal person from a legal person. You also are okay with allowing violent criminals to roam freely in your country and to repeatedly commit violent criminal acts. So, of course you are okay with someone breaking laws just to enter your country. Just imagine if India and China were your neighbors. Your country would quite quickly just become another third-world country. What two things do we always say: You can always look to Europe to see the effects of these Leftist ideas. You cannot reason someone away from a position when reason is not what got them there in the first place. There are valid reasons countries have borders and not just let it be an open border.
Atrocious take...so elitist and snobbish it is disgusting to see this roll off your computer like THOSE people are third world and lesser than me and my elitist TNC friends.
Wow...that you think this way about anyone and that you actually correlate crime in this fashion, it is beyond obtuse it is blind partisan throw up.
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