Immigration Issue

@Raiders22

 Your logic is so biased maybe we should not even have a discussion. The immigration system is not available for all, only for those who know how to use it and have the means and understanding of how to do so. This country has never put in place a working immigration system and for you to suggest it works means you do not have a proper perspective on why it does not. Millions of people over the history of this country came here from varying methods and means and millions of people were not caged and deported for a lack of timely understanding of how the system works and the tools to make it work for them. 

In your mind the people who came here crossing the border are the problem and the only instance of a system not functioning. If our borders are open and we do not have the resources to process immigrants then it is not working properly. So I asked this question before, who deserves to be deported, do you care to research the millions of people who came here and did not follow the process because it was not understood but STILL were able to live here and eventually obtain citizenship? So where is the line drawn for who deserves deportation? Should the lineage of those people here now like Trump like you and me who maybe our ancestors did NOT follow proper protocol but still stayed here and were given a fair opportunity to obtain their legal citizenship?

If ANYONE falls in to this category and we know they do then the system does NOT work properly, the fact we have an open border and a system that is not available to all and no due process in a timely fashion means it does not work.

Your third world view is cruddy fella, crime and poverty are not only from the poor or immigrants it is from HUMAN NATURE. Fix the problem and quit targeting a single group as the cause of all the woes you think exist.

Have you ever lived in poverty? If so you would never speak as you are here, it is quite lousy but I dont think you care so carry on.

The immigration system is not available for all

Correct.  It is NOT for ALL. 

You can’t use logic to discuss with people that are racists - because racism is not logical - even though they will try use logic to justify it 

He will bend logic - to justify that he doesn’t want brown people there - rather than listening to your arguments and adapt to his logic — that is why you two sometimes can discuss for hours on end

The problem is that an awful lot of these far-Left issues simply use emotions and feelings and have no real facts or data to back up the positions.

You see this with the refusal to define a ‘woman’.  The Left does not want to hurt folk’s feelings.  So, they say anyone can be anything they like to be.

You see it with the Trans issue as well.  All of the data that is coming in shows that the attempt to change a person’s gender or sex has an overall longterm negative effect, not just on that person, but on society as a whole.  

Again, you can see the results that are coming back in some of the European countries.

This statement has a lot of truth to it:

“If you wish to persuade me, convince me, that your side is on the right side of an issue, you need to present your case, with *facts* & not *emotions* to bolster your position...

Wanting to silence your opponent & attempting to vilify them leads me to believe you are disingenuous & not confident in your facts, or are outright lying...

I'm not naive to think this only occurs with the left, but it is more prevalent on their side…”

This one is often cited and has merit as well:

“Liberals have feelings and emotion. Conservatives have: logic, history, perspective, science, reason, facts, math, principles, ethics, values, dialogue & common sense.”

Another far-Left issue is the one with illegals.

The far-Left plays on emotions and ‘sympathy’ to garner support for their ‘cause’.  There is rarely any data or facts that support their stance.  But when they present what they think is something along those lines to support it and it is picked apart they get very defensive and resort right back to emotions and feelings, instead of backing up their ‘data’.

So, at a time when the country is at an all-time high in debt, the direct and indirect costs and monies going to illegals does not matter to the far-Left.  They only know how they ‘feel’ about the issue.  Or, what is more likely, they are informed by the Media and Politicians how they ‘should feel’.

There is not a sense of what is good for the country overall and its citizens and legal immigrants.  

The logical conclusion that the country could be ‘overwhelmed’ by illegals from foreign lands with different culture, work ethic, values, and desires never is considered by the far-Left.  This is in spite of the fact that the evidence is already there to be seen not only in their own country but in the leading-indicator countries.

The Media, Politicians, and Schools have done such a poor job on educating folks on these various issues.  There is such a lack of critical thinking even when the facts and data are there to see that it is no wonder the youth are falling for all of these emotional ideas.

@Raiders22

 Nice insult to another member, I would ask and it should be known that there is no need to insult someone even if they disagree with you and that the insult adds no value to discussion. If you have not been warned before you are now.

The reason why some people do not engage is quite easy to identify and Calde above nailed it, the answer to your smug assertion is right there and this is also something you should already understand and know.

It is not adding value to your contention when you repeatedly and incessantly generalize groups and political affiliations to put blame as you do...it is both false and it does not do any good towards the agenda you have. It is weak thinking it is lazy and sloppy and your dood does this every single freaking day. Insults, generalizations and assumptions which are obtuse and comical because it is so off the mark.

Still waiting on your deportation scheme, I know you want the brown folk gone because they entered an OPEN BORDER to which we have NOT CLOSED and did not follow protocol per your construct, who deserves this edict the one you have for the brown lesser thans, is it just those you dislike and who you flame throw as liberal voters or should your definition be applied for the entire length of time to which people have done this? Those who came here and did not follow protocol they should be deported and since birth citizenship is also sought to be struck down ALL THOSE under the ancestral tree are from the rotten roots and also should not be allowed here...using your logic.

So bye bye Trump bye bye 30-50% of the population because the disgusting agenda Raiders and the TNC has just zapped you in the butt and you are outta here!

@wallstreetcappers

  Nice insult to another member

I am not insulting you. I am simply pointing out where you get your ideas from is all.

I am sorry if you take it as an insult.  It is not.  It is just an observation.

@Raiders22

 Oh I am not saying towards me I am saying the emoticon job you did there...the reason why some people do not engage with you and the TNC group is as was explained above. You are fixated on your partisan agenda so to some it is a waste of time even engaging and that is what Calde alluded to above and he is correct.

I'm used to your condescending routine and Ive seen your libs digs for a very long time I was saying member to member you decided to call someone out and then you continued on in Trump style not answering questions but blaming and generalizing, that is exactly what you did. 

On the topic though it is probably better for you not to even reference others who do not want to engage with you even if emoticons bother you because it is like so rare that ANY of that group references you specifically and that is due to the lack of interest in spending the time with closed minded partisan takes. Its also the same reason why you do not interact with them, they have partisan takes themselves so both sides should just act as if the other is not even there if you ask me.

@wallstreetcappers

 Whatever perceived 'digs' are no worse than your partisan 'digs'. I do not care about any of that.

I care about substance and facts and data.

None of which you have provided.  It is all emotions and feelings, as I said.

Then when someone disagrees -- look at all of your emotions and name calling you do against that person.

Why is that.  It is because that is all you have and cannot reasonably discuss the topic without just the emotions.

I have not 'referenced' anyone.  I have only replied to your posts. 

@wallstreetcappers

 I'm used to your condescending routine and Ive seen your libs digs for a very long time I was saying member to member you decided to call someone out

Huh?  Who did I 'call out'?

You?

Follow the trail of the thread big fella. Post 829 leads to post 830. It would be nice if you made ANY effort to do an ounce of observation before flame throwing as you did just above here. 

I care about consistency and NON partisan conclusions. I keep stating your view and applying it appropriately and making the point that if you want to be so blanket general as you DID and DO then it has flow through to YOU as well. You above like to blame third world lesser thans and brown folks and sweep them all out into the ocean because of a viewpoint which is flawed and generalized. I applied that concept to include some of YOUR friends and YOUR political clique because if you want to go down the road of illegals get tossed into Mexico then it applies to the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY..... so given that you really do not want that maybe your view is completely false and actually quite cold and condescending. If you want to enforce immigration like a fascist then you have to seal the border and have the resources to actually perform the operation of immigration...you have neither. And as usual you think things are just fine because out with the brown and the white can stay here even if their ancestral lineage failed in the SAME FASHION as those nasty brown south of the US losers you despise.

@wallstreetcappers

 Follow the trail of the thread big fella. Post 829 leads to post 830. It would be nice if you made ANY effort to do an ounce of observation before flame throwing as you did just above here. 

I do not care about the cheerleader posts.  I usually just skip them.  So, certainly was not replying to him or calling him out.  All that post was cheerleading emojis?  Who cares about that.  

My post after that was not a reply to anyone.  It was just an observational post.  Maybe read it in context next time.

Before that I was responding to you 'big fella' -- try to stay caught up with the 'trail of the thread'.

Policies have consequences.  Some of them may be somewhat immediate but others can play out over a longer time period.

Just today, for example, are a couple of the reasons you do not just let folks in willy-nilly without vetting them:

…reports on a deadly Virginia bus crash, where a reported non-English-speaking driver allegedly caused five deaths…

The crisis at the border may be over, but the crisis in Virginia is far from it. Democrats from former President Joe Biden to Virginia Gov. Abigail Spanberger have proven time and time again that they care more about protecting criminal illegal aliens than American citizens.

Under Biden, over 11 million illegal immigrants walked freely across the open border with no consequences. That ended the day President Donald Trump took office. As we reach the 12th straight month of zero releases at the border, our nation’s boundaries have never been more secure.

While the crisis at the border is over, the crisis in Virginia still rages on.

Across the commonwealth, an epidemic of violent crime committed by illegal aliens has plagued our communities. The rise in crime is caused by dangerous liberal policies and the state's refusal to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement.

Local officials, like Fairfax County Commonwealth’s Attorney Stephen Descano, have refused to prosecute criminals who are committing violence against real Americans. Despite a 32% increase in violent crime since Descano took office compared to the five years before, Fairfax has sent fewer cases to trial, dismissed more felony charges and obtained fewer felony convictions.

The reason crime is spiking in Fairfax County is obvious: Descano and other local Democrats refuse to prosecute and lock away dangerous criminals because of their immigration status. Violent illegal aliens have been allowed to reoffend over and over, terrorize new victims and threaten public safety.

Democrats’ sanctuary policies have real, deadly consequences.

This could be the funniest post i have read on covers in years and of course it was posted by a full blown maga cult member who wants to kick every non white person out of our country, cause they are afraid of non white folks.

Conservatives have: logic, history, perspective, science, reason, facts, math, principles, ethics, values, dialogue & common sense.

There isnt 1 thing true in that post. Maybe years ago, conservatives could post that crap, but in trumps universe with all his little guppy cult members, that statement is 100 percent untrue and shows how crazy magas are.

Yup kennedy believes in science has just one example of untruths, lolllllllllllllllllllll

@Raiders22

 Problem is you did not address me in #830, look at your message and notice it was not a reply to me per YOUR message.....oopsie!

Sheesh if you are trying to slam me you are doing a lousy job. You follow an emoticon message and then try to back out of a DIRECT reply by trying to roast me. Aside from whatever your squishy reply the purpose of my reply stands...you do not need to portray other members as you did there if that is me or not me how does trying to minimize someone add value to your contention?

Notice that I am not mixing the two, I can disagree with you all day long and my message in reply was about the context of why some do not reply to you, where I DO reply for whatever silly reason more often than most 

@wallstreetcappers

  Problem is you did not address me in #830, look at your message and notice it was not a reply to me per YOUR message.....oopsie!

Correct.  THAT was the observational post in general.  I just told you that.  

The previous ones were just in reply to you yesterday.

@wallstreetcappers

 Sheesh if you are trying to slam me you are doing a lousy job

Nope.  Not trying to slam you.  Just pointing out where the emotions and feelings are the reigning backing.

It is just not a backed up stance is all. Not a slam.  Because as I observed most people are not taught to think through these things or see what is going on elsewhere.

@wallstreetcappers

 Notice that I am not mixing the two, I can disagree with you all day long and my message in reply was about the context of why some do not reply to you,

So, do it.  And try not to use name calling and derogatory terms like you did above.

What data are you using to support this?  Or are you just going on emotions?

all maga members on this site post, is repeat garbage from fox news and news maxx. Thats one of the cult members problems, they are just getting force fed what trump wants therm to believe. same damn tactic hitler used. You would think in todays world, especially in our country, so many wouldnt be getting hood winked by donny doorknobs.

Am sure by the end of the day, somebody will make another post about biden falling asleep and hunters laptop causing our high gas prices, lolll

No my pocket experts told me I am correct so given that bit of info my contention is 100% correct there is no deviation or allowance from anything I say because my experts and content generators back my view.

I dont even get why you made that comment, I am not being partisan and altruistic where its all or none, that is your scheme not mine. I am applying your schematic in a way that shades your narrow partisan take. If you want to be draconian as you do then there are implications which include the very opposite of what you are trying to suggest. I point out where our immigration policy is not up to snuff and your reply is it works just fine...which says nothing and is actually a total lie but you say it as if YOU have data that proves the point, which is impossible.

There is no data to prove your contention given the flaws and mistakes that have always existed, you cannot throw down brown when white did the same thing and then claim they do not deserve the exact same understanding that was given to MILLIONS of people before them....that reeks of disgusting partisan minimizing of others and that theme runs rampant in your TNC crowd which is sickening.

all i know is i would rather have an illegal immigrant living next door to me, then some maga who backs trump and his pedophile pals.

One party is after the truth and the other party is trying to hide the truth and protect the dirt bags.

my post above shows how comical this magas post was

"Conservatives have: logic, history, perspective, science, reason, facts, math, principles, ethics, values, dialogue & common sense."

how many of those things are broken by magas who support the pedophiles. maybe magas need to start worrying more about pedophiles, instead of brown people, gays and trans folks. Then again its hard for a maga to go against people who have the same thoughts as themselves.

@wallstreetcappers

 No my pocket experts told me I am correct

For example?

Its next to impossible to argue with folks who believe white folks are the only ones who belong in our country, even thou we are all immigrants.

@wallstreetcappers

 There is no data to prove your contention given the flaws and mistakes that have always existed,

Sure there is.

you cannot throw down brown when white

I am not sure why you keep speaking so negatively against 'brown' people.  What is the point?  Do you assume all illegals are 'brown'?  Or do you assume 'brown' only from Latin American countries and not 'brown' from other countries?  'White', 'Black' and 'Yellow' are also part of the illegals. Understand how the visas are overstayed by all folks of all colors.  Illegals are illegals.

But guess which 'color' of us are not illegal by your lazy definition.