back to an endless Republicans war so 30 years in Iran over or under

@wallstreetcappers

 And again you have no regional examples

That is your argument.  Not mine.  I am not interested in regional examples.

@wallstreetcappers 

 But I am still interested in your reasons(s) that you still have not listed.  You made it seem like you have been talking about Iran for a long time.  I cannot recall you doing so until now.  

So, I would like to know what they are.

If you spent even half the time looking instead of balking, barking and whining you would find my comments on Iran. Get cracking it really is not difficult. Unfortunately for you this forum does not exist of you talking down to others and them doing your bidding you actually might have to do a little work yourself. Go figure that if you ask a question and someone says that information is here and available that YOU might actually have to get off your butt and do a bit of looking. Or you can keep barking to the moon again trying to tell someone else what to do.

@Raiders22

 Trump and the secretary of war ( his words) .

have been not consistent in tone dialect or narrative.

The complete chain of a narrative is to move through a direct chain of messages to conclude a message with the abilities go back and state we were given false information by a certain agency when it goes into a complete melt down.

Trump and fly by their seat of pants approach is sloppy even slothful in delivery of messages.

we run down a few on the list of complete snafus 

antivaxer RFK Jr first stance is over vaccination was harmful due to the harmful effects of the trace mercury in serum, but that went into no vaccine is safe to use and we have a measles outbreak destroying West Texas population.

linda McMahon we need to get rid of the department of education, to allow local control of schools valid point has spun out to the federal government will cut funding if you allow certain students to compete at a high school level....

this war is over the top though, he created a board of peace to fire more missiles at enemy targets than the entire Biden eras 

gasoline prices couldn't be higher and he still playing golf every weekend 

not rocket science, however in that field a object about the size of a car has crossed over this suns influence to the next star influence it took 47 years no oil change no new fuel and still transmission of data at a very low frequency back to earth.....

we need to recognize that this administration is making all Americans look like idiots .

@wallstreetcappers

 If you spent even half the time looking instead of balking, barking and whining you would find my comments on Iran.

I should not have to spend time doing a deep dive for your thoughts when all you had to do is copy them, or restate them briefly.

So, let's just assume you have not really said anything substantive about it and move along.

Because when I asked several times, in various ways, for you to kindly state them and you cannot do it -- I just have to assume you never did it.

I have said you may have posted them in a thread I don't visit.  But you will not even say that.  

Then you say I am 'whining' just because I ask you what you said. 

That is not debating/discussing in good faith.

@nature1970 

Trump and the secretary of war ( his words) .

have been not consistent in tone dialect or narrative.

On what exactly?  With each other's or about the conflict in general?

The complete chain of a narrative is to move through a direct chain of messages to conclude a message with the abilities go back and state we were given false information by a certain agency when it goes into a complete melt down.

Sure, if that is the case.  But what if it is not the case and the messaging still changes?

Trump and fly by their seat of pants approach is sloppy even slothful in delivery of messages.

Sure, this can be a problem.  But there has always been an issue with the guys keeping Trump quit, or at least more circumspect.  But at least he is always available.

You cannot always just use this tactic to dismiss that things simply do change.

antivaxer RFK Jr first stance is over vaccination was harmful due to the harmful effects of the trace mercury in serum, but that went into no vaccine is safe to use and we have a measles outbreak destroying West Texas population.

Is that the whole truth though.  If you look deeper into the measles situation you will see that is far different that just his stance on vaccines overall and that one in particular.

linda McMahon we need to get rid of the department of education, to allow local control of schools valid point has spun out to the federal government will cut funding if you allow certain students to compete at a high school level....

This message has been pretty consistent.  It is moving far too slow for me though.  But the entire goal seems to be to eventually close it.  I wish they would have done it right away.  I wish they had done it years ago.  It is one of my biggest pet peeves.

this war is over the top though, he created a board of peace to fire more missiles at enemy targets than the entire Biden eras 

This is only inconsistent with the Biden administration's -- not necessarily with their own.  This does not mean one idea is better or worse than the other.

gasoline prices couldn't be higher and he still playing golf every weekend 

Yes, they can be higher -- and have been higher.  I do not think this is anywhere near top of his concerns at the moment.  It may move up the list soon though.

we need to recognize that this administration is making all Americans look like idiots .

I would say this is distinctly not the case.  There are many, many folks and countries that love what they have been doing.  

Where I am a lot of the time the folks generally like Trump and the USA and see a lot of good that they do.  People in the USA fail to realize that for a large portion of the world -- they respect strong leaders and do not respect weak leaders.

Trump is regarded as a weak leader internationally - so going on what you just said - the only countries that like Trump are those that want you to have a weak leader - if you keep demanding things and giving deadlines without any punishment or action backing up those deadlines - you slowly become a joke to everyone around you -- that he is insane enough to go to war with the world - doesn't make him strong - that makes him insane

Overall, global confidence in the US has declined under Trump administration according to Pew research.  Especially in Europe, Australia, Japan, South Africa, Mexico and Canada.  Only 5 countries have positive confidence.  Nigeria, Kenya, Israel, Hungary and India.

@Raiders22

 Then dont..but quit whining about me not following your edict and move along already.

@wallstreetcappers

 Not ‘whining’, just pointing out how you never answer any questions, but love to pepper others with questions.  

@Raiders22

 Sounds like whining and from you that is humorous. You are horrible at answering questions let alone using your own content. You spend more time from the pulpit than from the ground floor and doing the poor me stuff isnt going to change the fact that the info is here you just are too lazy to go find it.

How about stop asking loaded questions you really are not interested in from the onset? You are not interested in conversation or debate you like to BAIT and control, your question to me was not a question it was a ploy because if you seriously wanted real conversation you would go find the answers you allegedly seek and make insightful relevant conversation. You are always angling for a partisan copy/paste lecture and a way to try and prove or disprove. Very little actual legit conversation happens when its all a mirage.

@wallstreetcappers

 It is not loaded.  Just a simple question about a statement you made. 
I always answer any questions folks need answered.  Usually, in too much detail.  

The way you stated your post I thought you had some reasons.  
If not, no problem.  

@Raiders22

 You're clearly intelligent but it doesn't show up where it really matters in here. You have an odd way of contributing without really adding anything to the conversation in very long responses.

Just sayin....

@Midnight1

Hard to add anything when someone will not answer questions about their posts.  So, it will certainly look odd if I just assume what they mean.

He is one of the very, very few of you guys on the left that even tries to engage.  But even then it is just to pepper others with questions or to defend you guys when someone questions your side.

But thanks for your response.  I do not want your eyes to bleed. 

Spain closed its airspace to U.S. aircraft involved in the Iran war as part of its broader refusal to support U.S. and Israeli military operations that the Spanish government has described as illegal and unjust.

Spanish Defense Minister Margarita Robles said Madrid had already barred the use of jointly operated military bases for the conflict and applied the same logic to its airspace, saying Spanish authorities made clear from the outset that neither bases nor

mine are scanned over at this point so what's up Sir 

p.s he went through nam I feel has pretty thick skin as well

Pope Leo warns that god does not listen to those who wage war.  Political scientist Robert Pape warns that US has fallen into escalation trap reaping tactical success but suffering strategic failures.  Trump has threatened to attack Iran civilian infrastructures if Iran continues to control strait.  Even if he pulls US military out of forever war, victory is hollow if oil prices remain high due to Iran disruption of oil shipping and damages to gulf countries.

Yes. It is an inside joke. He once commented my posts were too long and were causing his eyes to bleed. 

Which they can be too long because I am used to writing having lots of detail and this is not the forum for that and I get that.

But it certainly was not to offend him -- he is a cool cat.

@nature1970

 By the way -- did you see the new anti-Collins ad with the shoe about only running for 2 terms when she started out years ago?

General Jim Mattis warns that Trump has no good option in Iran.  Even if he orders US military to leave, Israel or Iran might not want to end war.  Iran cannot trust Trump to honor any agreement.  Unless war reparations are paid, Iran could continue to control strait.  Charging $2 million per ship for passage and banning US or Israel ships.  Deploying ground force to open shipping would be risky.  Since oil price is determined by international market, US is still vulnerable to higher inflation despite energy independence.

What did General Jack Keane say. 

In speech, Trump fails again to justify his foreign policy disaster.  Acting like the global fallout from the war he started is not his problem to solve.  He declares war nearly over  then he promises more escalation and war crimes.  Oil price jumps after his speech.  This unpopular, illegal and unnecessary war could have been avoided if stupid Trump did not kill successful Iran nuclear deal in 2018.  No new deal ever materialized to replace the most significant security deal in decades.  Polls show most Americans disapprove of Trump as commander in chief.

The message started out with "free Iran" to last night's "bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water".  

Cool.  Have fun getting destroyed in the mids and losing 2028 to the communists 

This is all about energy/oil and Israel by the way..... regime change / saving Iranian citizens is complete fucking BS.  Venezuela was step one before they could move on next to the ME.  

HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BE TOLD?

Tens of millions of American lives were on the line.

Iranian negotiators proudly admitted they stockpiled enough uranium for 11 nuclear bombs, attainable in weeks.

you should thank The Commander in Chief Donald John Trump and his Secretary of War Pete Hegseth