back to an endless Republicans war so 30 years in Iran over or under

@wallstreetcappers

 Well said! 

@wallstreetcappers

 My reply is you put down his reference using the same logic that his reply did. Your bolded is the words in your reply that were bolded. I am agreeing 100% with third because we have proof and experience to the very conclusion he is making.

None of that is 'my reply'.  It is the explanation given on the bifurcated way Hertling's statement can be made.

By 'he' are you talking about Hertling or @thirdperson?. 

That distinction has to be made.  Hertling is the one making the statement.

@thirdperson is just posting it; it is not his own 'conclusion'.

So, you are agreeing with Hertling?

@wallstreetcappers

 Ive stated so many times over the years that Iran is the last country in that region you would want to go to war with.

Why?

  BREAKING NEWS . . .

  Iran-backed Houthis enter war
with missile strike against Israel

Saturday, March 28:

The conflict is expanding after the rebel movement launched ballistic missiles for the first time since [trump started the middle-east war].

Iran wasn’t a particular threat to you - you have countries that hate you way more than Iran did - so why do you care if they have a navy or airforce - if they ever were to attack you - it would either be as terrorist cells or with drones - they have both of those capabilities still - and for starters SP500 has lost 7,5% since you went in with no end of that trend in sight - SP500 is worth 66 trillion dollars - so that drop alone has cost you 5 trillion in value - and you can do the same calculation for all your financial markets if you want, Iran has also started trading with China in their currency - for decades you have fought for oil being traded in USD - so the fact such a major player shift - is actually pretty huge for the deattachment of the dollar in the world + in the more safety related error: it is has shown China etc. that NATO is shattered and your military has plenty of areas where it lacks behind - if we don’t help you - so don’t know if that is the signal you want to send to your enemies in the world 

Let me just say if any referee call this a draw - take that and shut up about it - because that referee is both blind and stupid

The group warned students, staff and nearby residents to stay at least one kilometer away from American university campuses in the region.

The IRGC also demanded that the US government condemn the reported strikes on Iranian universities via an official statement by March 30, threatening to expand the attacks to more than two institutions if conditions aren’t met.

“If it [the US] also wants to prevent further strikes on its universities in the region, it must restrain its allied forces from attacking universities and research centers,” the statement reads

source CNN 

Qatar and Ukraine signed a defence agreement on Saturday that included cooperation on countering threats from missiles and drones, the Gulf state’s government said, as Iran presses an aerial campaign against its neighbours. Earlier on Saturday, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy – during a previously unannounced flurry of visits to Gulf nations – said his country and the United Arab Emirates had agreed to cooperate on defence, after Iran targeted countries in the area in retaliation for US-Israeli strikes. Ukraine also signed an air defence agreement with Saudi Arabia during Zelenskyy’s visit to the kingdom earlier this week.

“We are talking about a 10-year cooperation. We have already signed a relevant agreement with Saudi Arabia, we have just signed a similar agreement with Qatar, also for 10 years, we will sign one with the Emirates,” Zelenskyy told reporters at a briefing.

Ukraine has quickly grown into one of the world’s leading producers of cutting-edge, battle-tested drone interceptors that are cheap and effective. They are playing a key part in its defence against Russia’s full-scale invasion, 

china deploys 48th strike Force to region 

Strategic Presence: Beijing operates a key military base in Djibouti, providing a foothold for naval operations and logistics in the region.
Naval Diplomacy: The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) conducts joint drills (e.g., "Blue Sword" with Saudi Arabia) and frequent port calls in nations like Iran, Oman, and Egypt.
Defense Partnerships: China aligns with regional players, using partners like Pakistan to strengthen defense ties and secure Arabian Sea maritime routes.
Technological Support: In 2021, China provided Iran access to its BeiDou satellite navigation system, assisting in military positioning.
Arms Market: China is emerging as a competitor in selling drones and other defense technologies in the region.
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China's primary goals are to protect its economic investments, particularly the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), secure regional energy supplies, and challenge the U.S.'s role as the sole security guarantor.
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As of March 2026, the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is operating in and around the Persian Gulf, primarily through strategic deployments and joint exercises with regional partners like Iran and Russia.
While China does not maintain a permanent naval base inside the Persian Gulf itself, its operations have intensified recently due to regional instability.
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french senate majority States very effective points against this administration 

"Every time the Epstein affair resurfaces, bombs explode somewhere in the world and cause a distraction." Senator Claude Malhuret stood up in the French Senate this week and systematically torched every single member of Trump's cabinet.

Nobody was spared. Not one.

"A year ago, here in France, I compared Trump's presidency to Nero's Court. I was wrong. It's the miracle court," Malhuret began. Then he went through the roster.

"An anti-vaxxer, former heroin addict as Minister of Health." (That's RFK Jr)

"A climate-skeptic Minister of Economy." (That's Scott Bessent)

"An alcoholic TV host, Minister of the Armed Forces." (That's Pete Hegseth)

"An old Qatar agent, Minister of Justice." (That's Pam Bondi, whose former firm collected $115,000 a month lobbying for Qatar)

"A groupie of Putin, Minister of National Security." (That's Tulsi Gabbard)

Then he pulled back and went bigger.

"A Turkish proverb says: when a clown settles in a palace, he does not become king. It is the palace that becomes a circus."

Malhuret pointed out that since Trump created his so-called Board of Peace, he has launched more military strikes than Biden did in his entire term. He called out the Boeing jet Qatar gifted Trump worth $400 million.

He called out the stock market manipulation that only insiders benefit from. He called out the Gulf investment deals enriching Trump and his family.

"Any one of these conflicts of interest would have caused an immediate procedure of impeachment here," Malhuret said. "But we are not here. We are in MAGA's America where public business is conducted in favor of private interests."

Then came the line that cut deepest. "Every time the Epstein affair resurfaces, bombs explode somewhere in the world and cause a distraction."

This is how the world sees us now. Not through Fox News. Not through Truth Social. Through the cold, clear eyes of allied nations watching a great country be hollowed out by crooks.

Every American should hear this 

@nature1970

 Sure, there are also plenty of world leaders that also support Trump and some of his initiatives. 

Claude Malhuret is a known EU guy and a globalist.  
Whereas, Trump is more of a sovereign guy that is America first.  
So, they will never align on global issues at all. 

One is a huge supporter of liberal democracy and one is not.

One is big on all sorts of immigration and one is not.

One is a huge NATO guy and one is not.

So, you have one that is an old European style liberal conservative guy and one that is a more modern national populist.

Quite obviously, Malhuret is not a Trump guy.

But his way is NOT the way the rest of the world looks at the USA — it is just one way.

Many of the Western and more conservative leaders would disagree.

It is still just one guy’s opinion that is politically opposite on many issues.

the opposition exposes weakness and hence necessary, as the saducee and puarisisees policy during the time of Jesus the whigs and Democrats during the time of Lincoln and now the indiviulists and the community out reach ways of thinking both sides have valid points 

Trump argument of how we have been abused by Iran for 47 years remains a valid point 

however the world energy costs must be addressed 415 at the pump here looks as enough swing voters available as to turn the house and Senate Blue 

@Raiders22

 Already addressed and detailed, if you did not read my reply go back and do it correctly this time. Where is the answer to MY question? What example in the region supports your false narrative? Where in that region has the US been successful as you claim that it was a WIN WIN for the US? Its not Iraq...even if your pocket experts lie to you it does not make it so. Iraq is a disaster and so far worse than it was under Saddam. That was based on fraud and lies like Iran here and it has not improved the country or the region and the cost and loss of life is a disgrace to this country and Bush.

@wallstreetcappers

 Ive stated so many times over the years that Iran is the last country in that region you would want to go to war with.

Why?

@wallstreetcappers

 Why do you put down a conclusion that someone else made which is based on fact and reality we see NOW in that region and yet spin the same logic to craft a conclusion yourself?

This is the only question I see on the previous page that you might be confused about.  I had already given the answer to this in my initial reply to the post.   
There were obvious counters by others about it. 

If you are looking for a more detailed answer about it — I can provide that.  I have already written in great detail a contrast/comparison on this on another forum.  

But if for some reason you want to discuss it here I can give you a quick summary on that.  

But like I replied to the initial post it is one guy’s opinion that someone from his side will agree with and the opposite side will disagree.  But are they able to break it down — or just cheerlead?

So, if that is your ‘question’ — let me know. 

@wallstreetcappers

 But I still do not see your reply to my question. Maybe it is in another thread.  
So, could you concisely repeat it.  Or, just copy and paste it back here.  

You asked that already without reading my words then I said I had answered it and you ask it again. Go read what I wrote already, it is not my job to duplicate because you refuse to spend a minute looking. If you really are curious just go find the answer in what I wrote. 

Somethin tells me you are not interested in my reply though...wonder what makes me think that?

@Raiders22

 You made the WIN WIN remark and I asked for an example in the region and you did NOT answer that question and instead you slough off a deflection. You made the WIN WIN comment, so in that region what is your example per your assertion?

Not tough...

@wallstreetcappers

Where did I say that?

I responded to a post that had that phrase in it.

I did not use that phrase.

For the third time, what is your reason(s).  
Highlight your answer above please.  

@wallstreetcappers

This is where ‘win-win’ showed up.  
Maybe take it up with @thirdperson if that phrase is throwing you off.

Sheesh you really try this "I dont get it" response as if that changes what you wrote. The other member said it is NOT a win win and you in 321 refuted it. I said I agreed with him and that there is NO win-win and I asked since YOU refuted his message, what is your example in the region to support your message in 321? 

I answered your command reply already regarding Iran multiple times and no I will not send you a book report or cliff notes because you are unable to find my words yourself. If you are wondering what my reply was and I say it is here, go find it then the onus is on YOU to go find it, I am not your lackey who will be told to follow your edict because you say so. You asked a question that I had already answered BEFORE you asked it and then if you actually look at what I said following it there is a good structure of my original reply there as well. I am not required to repeat myself because you cannot take the time to research it yourself. Go and read through my messages IF you are seriously wondering....you are not you are trying as always to lawyer ball me to death and hen peck as a narrative. Its here go get it and then TELL me what I wrote, take a few minutes if you really care.

You refuted the notion on his message so what is your example in the REGION that refutes his words and that I agree with??

@wallstreetcappers

 I already replied to the original post.  It is summarized there.  
I also asked if you wanted an actual detailed addition to that.  
I will cut it down and post in a bit. 

But, no, you never have answered the question.  

I am not even asking for great detail.  Just your basic reasons.  It shouldn’t be too hard to list a few.   
I guess there was nothing in the post above to highlight?  Because I honestly did not see anything substantive that would be your reasons.  

Again, if you have listed reasons elsewhere — I have missed them and am still interested in what they are.  

Then we can examine them.  There are very good ones. I just have never seen you talk about them at all — certainly not prior to this situation over there.  

So, I really may have missed it if it was in another thread.  Because a lot of threads I do not really go into that often. 

@wallstreetcappers

 You refuted the notion on his message so what is your example in the REGION that refutes his words and that I agree with??  

Again, you make it seem as if there were a refutation that I posted. 
Again, I only posted that Hertling’s post was only posted because it was agreed with.  
The counter is there are folks with the same experience that counter his view.  
That does not make it a refutation as such, more a challenge to someone excepting something from authority without looking at other authorities.  It is only because they ‘choose’ to accept it as fact because they believe that politically.  

So many words to muster up a very weak deflection, I think you needed about three or four more end arounds to try and buff off your words which WERE a refutation. If you quote your pocket experts then YOU own the stuff you post...you cant make a message and then say "I was only quoting one of my pocket experts" and then try and say it doesnt mean YOU are refuting when yeah you are by posting those alleged other sources. If you do not agree and support your pocket experts, why post them in the first place?

And again you have no regional examples to support your pocket experts rather you pull the THEY ARE SMART routine which is pretty low quality even for your standards. 

@wallstreetcappers

  Correct.  And the idea behind it was very clear.  What did you not understand?

Refutation?