back to an endless Republicans war so 30 years in Iran over or under

Uh yeah they are...you made the statement so back it up please. This situation is not a difference of opinion which is negotiated or dealt with, this is an intentional war with bombs and destruction.

That is what you made a comment about, so get cracking and using your own words give some examples since YOU made the claim.

@wallstreetcappers

 They do not mean the same thing. 
No, I did not make that statement — you did. 

This is the statement.  No mention of ‘wars’.  

us special forces recover downed us strike 15 fighter pilot in Iran cornel is recovering 

yes that is Iran with million sleeper cells all over the world ice brought down 3 relatives of the dead general here in states....

hell of a rescue mission getting the pilot back 

President Trump’s “massive armada” of warships and fighter planes near Iran mirrors the military buildup of assets in the Caribbean as the president weighs greenlighting strikes against the Islamic Republic.

The military buildup, bolstered with the recent arrival of the USS Abraham Lincoln and its strike group in the U.S. Central Command (Centcom) area, has swelled with additional destroyers approaching Iran, expanding Trump’s attack and defensive options in the region.

The administration dispatched dozens of warships and stationed about 15,000 U.S. service members in the U.S. Southern Command (Southcom) area, which culminated in an early January operation in which Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro and his wife were snatched by U.S. Special Forces.

Similarly to Venezuela, the U.S. has at least 10 warships near Iran, and the administration has sent additional fighter jets, air defense systems and drones to the region.

Just like Maduro, Iranian officials are not acquiescing to Trump’s demands. He has called on Iran to halt the enrichment of uranium, place limits on its ballistic missile program and end ties with terror proxy groups.

There are also some crucial differences between the buildups in Venezuela and Iran.

The U.S. has a lot more basing in the Middle East region, with service members deployed in Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan and Israel, among others. Iran’s presence in the region also differs from Venezuela’s presence in the Caribbean. Tehran maintains close ties with Hezbollah in Lebanon, Houthi rebels in Yemen and Shiite militia groups in Iraq, according to former Defense officials and analysts.

“I would say the U.S. has certainly more assets in place and that can be used for offensive purposes,” said Seth Jones, a former U.S. special operations and Pentagon official.

But he said those assets also give Iran more targets. Also, Iran has more offensive capabilities than Venezuela — and the “proclivity to use them,” Jones said.

source the Hill 

@nature1970

That is a worry.  Initially, the concern was how much of a 'deadman switch' had been put in place with sleepers, etc. by the dead leaders.

Yessir.  Good cooperation by a few groups to get the rescue done. 

@Raiders22

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You said issues I said you cannot compare "issues" with starting a war and I asked what examples YOU have that are the same since you keep trying to minimize this war Trump/Netty started by saying others in the general region had ISSUES with Iran. 

We had issues with Iran pretty much since Iran has been around but we did not start a war with them based on issues and that is because prior leadership worked successfully using diplomacy and strategy which means less cost and less loss versus this joke of a war, and in the end there is zero proof this approach Trump is using will bring ANY different outcome.

So what COMPARABLE examples can you give for other countries outside the US had with Iran to which they would start a war? Your words not mine. I took issue with how you regularly minimize what Trump does by trying to downsize what is going on. Saying this war was due to an issue and others also have issues is ignorant and absurd. 

There is no example of comparable action and there is good reason for that, this act of war is unwarranted and was done outside of proper channels and protocol using lies and deception and without recourse.

@wallstreetcappers

 Yes.  I was replying to the situation about other countries getting involved.  It would probably help the ones the USA might want to get involved IF the surrounding MENA countries that have issues with Iran would come out in open support.  They have sort of kept it quiet to this point.  But they are the ones that have certainly had issues with Iran.  They have not had wars with Iran because of this.  But they have been dragged into other conflicts because of Iran, both internally and externally.  So, a lot of them have issues with Iran because of this.

@nature1970

 What might be considered down the road is the large numbers of countries that are happy with what is going on over there but cannot really speak out.  These range from Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait — all the way down to Egypt, Sudan, Somalia and even Nigeria, etc.  

The tricky part is to get some of them to publicly speak out and give support — even if it is publicly stated support.  

Maybe, if one or two larger ones come out in support others might follow.  

But to get military support I don’t see happening.  
I also think Trump and his advisors knew full well they would have to go this alone.  

That is part of the obligation a lot of folks see as being the world’s dominant power and pseudo police.  

So, it is NOT that they have gone to war with Iran but they certainly have issues with them.  They are not in a situation where they can do much about Iran militarily, themselves.  So, a lot of them have shown suppressed support for the USA, hopefully, quelling their extreme influence in their countries.

@wallstreetcappers

 since you keep trying to minimize this war

I have never done that and never would.  I have been to too many of these situations to ever do that.

You may have misunderstood something if you thought I would ever minimize a war or conflict of any type.

@wallstreetcappers

 So what COMPARABLE examples can you give for other countries outside the US had with Iran to which they would start a war? Your words not mine. 

Again, these are NOT my words BUT yours.  I have never said anything about them going to war with Iran.

If you want to make that case you would have to say that they feel directly threatened by their missile and nuclear programs.  

But it would have to be a multi-national cooaltion of countries in the region.  None of them, singularly, have the force to go it alone.

@wallstreetcappers

 There is no example of comparable action and there is good reason for that, this act of war is unwarranted and was done outside of proper channels and protocol using lies and deception and without recourse.

This point can be made.  But it cannot be made in isolation.  That is why the neo-cons drag up Obama, Biden, etc. examples of 'outside of proper channel' situations like this.

But for sure the point can be made that it is not a proper thing without all sorts of approval and/or consulting other nations.

The counter would be sudden or new intelligence that needed to be acted on quickly.  

For example, that all of the leaders would be in one place all of a sudden.  Obviously, you cannot spend time telling congress and other countries.  Because by then the meeting is over or it leaks that an attack is imminent.

The guy actually thinks women need to have their birth certificate name changed after marriage in order to vote...that's not even a thing, but he somehow thinks this is needed and that it suppresses women from voting.....completely out of touch with reality, but will argue over an over as it if it is fact...

He just likes to argue with you and tell you that you are a Trump supporter...don't buy into it...I saw the posts with him trying to cut you down and minimize you and telling you that you are a horrible person when that was not it all the case....he does it to you and does it to anyone that he thinks is supporting the right because he hates the character in office that it clouds his judgement, but rarely says anything to the left in here that terrorizes the site with their constant rhetoric every day about anything negative they can find about the administration...

What he is doing to you and has done to you is exactly what he says he doesn't want on this site, but he is the cofounder and member of it...the dudes cheese has definitely fallen off his cracker...

@Raiders22

 Neocons are partisan bozos grasping to maintain their identity.

Comparing what other presidents (INCLUDING BUSH) has done to this is an insult because none have done what Trump has. Even Bush who aside from his dad was the worst in my opinion used reasonable protocol even though BOTH of them based their action off lies and fraud. CIABush was owned by the Saudis and so when Iraq took issue with Kuwait using horizontal fracking to steal their oil and took issues to the next step then those lovely paid countries tapped Bush and he went in with lies and fraud to the American public...then he exited because he knew it would damage his election potential if he stayed around longer. Then BushLite lied about WMDS to avenge his dad and that was complete horse crap fraud as well. Even with the pretense being based on fraud they still went about it with proper protocol. Same goes for any instance with the others. What Netty I mean Trump puppet has done is unlike any other on top of it being based on lies and fraud.

There are no regional issues that would escalate to war so if you do have these examples please share them or dont imply they exist. We have issues with our border ex-allies yet we do not go to war with them. Europe has issues with many neighbors but it does not equate to starting a war. An issue does not compare to an act of war...you say you know this yet you continue to cast shade on the event.

@ABooksNightmare

 Sounds like the words of someone who cannot handle discussion with real content. You like to throw mud and make absurd comments then run away and hide when called out on it.

Yeah all of your message is what I said....lol you are comical. He does not need a back slap from you but taking a shot at me is something you are VERY VERY good at, backing up your messages and defending your position you are quite lacking.

@wallstreetcappers

 There are no regional issues that would escalate to war so if you do have these examples please share them or dont imply they exist.

I have not said this.  You inferred this.

You can ask that question if you like and imagine all sorts of scenarios.

But to juxtapose the ISSUES in the MENA region with the USA/Israeli situation is not even ground to make it.

You have to conjure up a scenario, as I said, where it would be a multi-lateral coalition.

That is not what the USA/Israel thing is about.

HOWEVER, the MENA countries are quietly hopeful it will also benefit them.

@wallstreetcappers

 Europe has issues with many neighbors but it does not equate to starting a war. An issue does not compare to an act of war...you say you know this yet you continue to cast shade on the event.

Not to the extent the MENA countries have with Iran.  At least not currently.  Unless you go back to some of the genocidal stuff, etc.

In that sentence, “cast shade” means to subtly criticize, imply blame, or make something sound worse without stating it directly.

I am not sure why you continue to misuse so many words, even if they are misused slang words.

If anything, you are the one criticizing it.

BUT JUST because someone has ISSUES with another country does not mean they go to WAR.

However, if another country goes to war with a country you have issues with -- it is natural to be 'happy' with the other country 'attacking' them, etc.

@Raiders22

So that is your reply, wishy washy words with no actual retort just that MENA hopes it benefits them but not that they are at such odds that THEY would start a war. What kind of rationale is this?

Cast shade dig too I guess when you have nothing to say as to content you can lean back on the use of a term. I am happy you both UNDERSTOOD what I was saying yet felt the need to try and disparage the use of a term even though you knew enough about what I was meaning to make an insult about it. High level strat there Raiders, when you have nothing of substance turn to a term usage or grammar, spelling, whatever to deflect from what content you lack.

When you minimize a WAR by saying it compares to someone having an issue I am not sure how you can bring an ISSUE up as a defense for what Trump puppet did here. We did not have an issue and when this is done and Trump is long gone we again will not have an issue to the extent of starting a WAR. Israel has an issue and Israel will use military means to take out their enemies but outside of Israel there are no other regional players who will resort to WAR...notice my use of the term WAR not what you and the other Trump defenders use trying to minimize this or actually rationalize it.

Cast shade ouch you really schooled me there professor. 

@wallstreetcappers

 So that is your reply, wishy washy words with no actual retort just that MENA hopes it benefits them but not that they are at such odds that THEY would start a war. What kind of rationale is this?

No. My reply is very straightforward.  
Those countries have issues and have subtly expressed hope that it will alleviate them. 

@wallstreetcappers

 Cast shade dig too I guess when you have nothing to say as to content you can lean back on the use of a term. I am happy you both UNDERSTOOD what I was saying yet felt the need to try and disparage the use of a term even though you knew enough about what I was meaning to make an insult about it.

It goes back to what I mentioned above.  To have a discussion you have to agree on the meaning of the words.  
Sure, I know what you thought you meant.  

But it is just odd that you use terms like ‘dood’ and ‘zero ego’ and ‘shade’ so confidently.  
Why not use real words with their true meaning.  

It is not an insult.  It is just to point out that if you cannot even use words in the proper context, then how can you even be sure what is in disagreement, etc.

@wallstreetcappers

 When you minimize a WAR by saying it compares to someone having an issue

See?  This is a perfect example of you either trying to twist words around or simply not understanding what was stated.  

At no point did I MINIMIZE or COMPARE war and issues.  

@wallstreetcappers

 I am not sure how you can bring an ISSUE up as a defense for what Trump puppet did here. 

Since I did not do that maybe you can explain how someone can do it. 
You are confusing what I said to the guy about other countries helping an armada or speaking up.  

It had NOTHING to do with the defense of Trump. 

@wallstreetcappers

 Israel has an issue and Israel will use military means to take out their enemies but outside of Israel there are no other regional players who will resort to WAR

Okay?  And who is saying they will.  Where have you seen anyone say this or even imply this.  I have not heard anyone say this. 

@wallstreetcappers

 Maybe it would work better if you try to steel-man my position.  
Or state exactly what you think I was answering about the armada. 
Because I really think you have misunderstood everything I said.