back to an endless Republicans war so 30 years in Iran over or under

The whole region is a Malcolm in the Middle series....Life's still unfair....and most speak like Stevie

@wallstreetcappers

 I am asking you to have value by answering questions instead of just taking your potshots.

This last was to you and @ABooksNightmare because you both implied the same thing.

Israel is a taker and a user of the US, they gain power from the lobby that controls our elected officials.

What countries do not use the US? Every country in NATO uses the US for many different facets...money, military, intelligence and did I say money....this isn't anything tht can be debated....those other countries use us all the time and look to us for what we bring...

We put them there and we back them completely and yet they will not sign a treaty or work at all towards peace. They created this mess and we are taking the brunt of it for backing them. 

I won't disagree about working towards peace, but that entire region has really never seen peace to be honest....can there be? Maybe...Should there be? Definitely yes in this day and age....do you think it is possible that if Iran's regime was eliminated, and its proxys in the region, that there could then be discussions about signing something geared towards peace not just for Israel but for the entire region....wouldn't that be something?

The hatred you keep chirping about is not about Israel it is about the current zion approach that Netty is running with and this causes loss of life and BILLIONS we do not have all so they can neuter their enemies and gain control. That is not what I call an reciprocal ally.

Everything is about approach..similar to how people say it's not what he said, but how he said it...are you denying that a diplomatic approach was not done prior to the action taken? Did our current President try and discuss with the Iranian regime that they need to not produce enrichment? Did the Iranian regime kill 35,000 or so innocent defenseless protestors with machine guns all because they wanted freedom? I think each of these questions were all done, yet the regime played and mocked the US and killed innocent people in it's own country...you simply cannot ignore these facts...you can, however, argue that they may or may not have been close to producing a nuclear weapon...that's is 100% debatable...and if you want to talk about money, were you also against what we did for Ukraine?

@ABooksNightmare

It is a low-resolution way of thinking, which conspiratorial thinking is.

You have an omni-explanation for everything.  And in a complicated world, some people like the idea of having a single explanation for everything, a single conspiracy to explain everything.

Flattering as that can be and simple as it is for many people, it’s never a good prism to look at everything with.

The British Prime Minister made a point of saying that they were not involved.  As if anyone really thought they were.

Then he says that Britain has stopped 20 terrorist tracks, just in the last year, in the UK, that have emanated from Tehran.

It is not a small thing to have a regime that continues to send cells, to send munitions, and to send hit squads to carry out terrorist attacks…in the UK, in Europe, in the United States.

Countries like the UK, and some of its European allies, have taken the view that that’s intolerable; yet, they tolerate it.

President Trump, by contrast, has taken the view that that’s intolerable and, therefore, he will not continue to tolerate it.

One thing about President Trump is that when he says something, he does mean it; and he does, invariable act on it.

raider it seems Washington is blind, cause does this keep coming up

https://youtu.be/Jtf4zeq5VwU?si=GsQyQXrzMNvmHvbg

there missile comes from silo, did they guess it with an art artifact? just asking cause everyone of them should be out of order

you have to forgive me for not responding sooner been a pleasant distraction but playing a video game , have  ma'am scold me maybee later lol

@nature1970

 Supposedly, Moghaddam helped develop that missile.

But he died back in 2010 or so in an explosion.

I am told that he had 3 or 4 prodigies working on their missile program that have added advanced features on them.

For obvious reasons, all of that is kept under good wraps.

But I think the USA is working hard to find them and destroy them.

The situation is that Israel may have the best anti-missile defense in the area but Iran knows that and has been working very hard to design one to over come it.

@nature1970

 So, it has been a constant evolving and advancing chess game of sorts there.  

Trying to develop better missiles to get through the defense.  

Then keeping their scientists and plans secret and the other trying to find them and thwart them.

So, it is not that missile in particular they are worried about but what might be coming next, etc.

totally understand this raiders, this decapitation of head of government need for regime change and the idea that these weapons will lead to better weapons, the need to advance systems based on real analysis and the entire involvement of defense industry. 

so be it way it is, but look where on earth is there actual peace? like where can we find a society any where in any town city province nation or arena we don't encounter this same morality sir. 

the enjoyment of watching innocent lives suffer through tyranny what culture has advanced enough for kids to be safe and in what area do we witness happiness?

there are far greater issues, and watching madman smile as little ones cry... it is sickness of society and I feel we may be a little late trying to stop the violence continually and the need for vengeance .....

maybe it would be simplistic to deal in terms of movies but say marvel films , you have a standard plot bad guy does many evil things until bad guy gets it at end fine,

but as we analyze this thanks versus super heros, and look at it from thanks realm he is an old man in serries his line I am inevitable, ok he does a lot to get a weopin to destroy half of creation. 

he goes all in for this sacrifices what he lives the most for a stone, gets others through bullying snaps his figures and half is gone, and then destroys himself and glove.... glove appeared in a prequel when another looked at it during thor versus his sister she themrew it and said fake.

what drove the villain to such a degree as to wish want and persevere to creating this not that he chose who or what but half including his daughter and himself ,  ..... madness? he was crazy, those are simplistic terms for root of problem . 

USA citizens will be blamed everywhere if all is destroyed because what our government does has done and continues to do, and distraction from the Internet problem where can we find actual people smiling as they walk down the sidewalk.... anywhere cause although it wasn't bombs look at the madness of riots or the need to destroy hope in every soul in nation so some executive can buy a horse or play golf???? 

this path ends the same way everyone .....complete destruction here of all mans works all souls rebooted blanks and a new text formed in the beginning God created....... 

isiah 65, 66 revelation, same story told in so many versions, same lot same systems same problems same out come.... 6th universe according to astrophysics... looks to be one same out come.

[Quote: Originally Posted by Raiders22]@ABooksNightmare It is a low-resolution way of thinking, which conspiratorial thinking is. You have an omni-explanation for everything.  And in a complicated world, some people like the idea of having a single explanation for everything, a single conspiracy to explain everything. Flattering as that can be and simple as it is for many people, it’s never a good prism to look at everything with.   The British Prime Minister made a point of saying that they were not involved.  As if anyone really thought they were.   Then he says that Britain has stopped 20 terrorist tracks, just in the last year, in the UK, that have emanated from Tehran.   It is not a small thing to have a regime that continues to send cells, to send munitions, and to send hit squads to carry out terrorist attacks…in the UK, in Europe, in the United States.   Countries like the UK, and some of its European allies, have taken the view that that’s intolerable; yet, they tolerate it.   President Trump, by contrast, has taken the view that that’s intolerable and, therefore, he will not continue to tolerate it.   One thing about President Trump is that when he says something, he does mean it; and he does, invariable act on it.[/Quote]

Great post, Raiders 

He's a " doer " , and it's no coincidence that he has the most business sense of any president in recent memory.   To me, He operates like a brutally efficient CEO w little wasted time, and he clearly understands his #1 job as President is to protect this great country ..... a job so many on the left abandoned years ago. .. 

@wallstreetcappers

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/top-counterterrorism-official-kent-resigns-over-trump-s-iran-war-says-iran-posed-no-imminent-threat/ar-AA1YPVTX?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=69b976fb393841479288f1f4f407b35c&ei=15 

Joe Kent, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, announced his resignation on Tuesday, citing his concerns about the justification for military strikes in Iran and saying he “cannot in good conscience” back the Trump administration’s war.

“Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby,” Kent said in a statement posted on social media…..He is in a position to have a Birds Eye view of this ! Trump is responsible for Joe Kent ! 

For those who may not remember, Kent was the MAGA favorite that Trump drafted to run for Congress against Jaime Herrera-Beutler after she voted to impeach him. He beat her in the primary, which was for a safe red seat in rural Washington… and then lost to a Democrat.

Trump then appointed him to run the NCTC last year.

And of course, now Trump never liked him and is glad he’s gone…..He hardly knew him !

this is anyalsis of recent attack  I'll leave the larger physical debate alone

600 Missiles Launched: How Iran’s Strategy Aims to Exhaust Israel’s Defenses in a High-Stakes Conflict!

In a brazen escalation that has the world on edge, Iran has fired off a staggering 600 ballistic missiles in a calculated blitzkrieg aimed squarely at overwhelming Israel's ironclad defense systems. This isn't just random aggression—it's a masterstroke of attrition warfare, designed to bleed dry the resources of the Iron Dome, Arrow, and David's Sling interceptors that have long shielded the nation from existential threats. 

As waves of missiles streaked across the skies, Israeli forces scrambled in a frantic ballet of countermeasures, each interception costing millions and taxing the limits of their stockpiles and personnel. Iranian commanders, drawing from asymmetric tactics honed in proxy conflicts, bet on sheer volume to force Israel into a defensive quagmire: deplete munitions, strain radar networks, and create openings for follow-up strikes from allies like Hezbollah and Hamas.

how fast can you produce interceptor vs how fast  they can produce rockets becomes the only equation necessary in defense, them how fast can we take out these missile systems and manufacturing plants and finally what will be left in aftermath

how much to rebuild the place or do we just leave it like Gaza or northern Germany or congo, Amazon Tibet, Kabul  and go back to building better missile systems based on Data of systems and better stradegy for other powers in world.. I guess for what to watch a nation of decaying cities and corruption within system leading to this wonderful society where literally masked thugs are executed Americans in the street....

somehow this was the annoited one of Jesus.... 

this ends poorly at best,

Experts have doubts about missile defense systems.  Far easier and cheaper to shoot missiles than to try to intercept missiles.  Israel iron dome should be more effective than US golden dome because of smaller airspace to defend, predictable paths of missiles and inferior missiles from Iran.

@joe pockets

 Great post, Joe!  

Two things can be true at the same time:

- Iran sponsors horrible terrorist attacks across the globe, including their abhorrent attacks in Israel 

- Starting a new war in the Middle East after a year of intentionally alienating our allies and saying we don’t need their help, but a week later we need their help, and now the VP is leaking stories to the media that he didn’t agree with the war and your longtime spooks are quitting in protest …. Yeah that unnecessary war was a really stupid idea. If you’re going to start an unnecessary and complex war, at least have a plan for after 10 days. 

These people are total effing morons who deserve the war crimes charges that await them from The Hague.

@nature1970

 Sadly, it is a stark reality that for the vast majority of the time of humanity it has been filled with constant strife.  

Sooner, or later, it has to be considered that the Iranian people may not really want freedom; indeed, they may not even understand the concept.

Like the guy said before they went to Iraq, "What if we want their freedom more for them than they want it for themselves?"

So far, regime change has not really been stated as an actual reason for this.  It is simply seen as something nice as a by-product of sorts.

So, at some point it has to be considered if the folks in Iran will attempt to stand up for themselves.

What if the only ones that would have were the 30,000 - 50,000 that the regime killed off already.

For example:

"We’ve had the concept of liberty in this country for almost 250 years, but another way to look at this is we’ve had the concept of liberty in this country for only almost 250 years. Human beings have been around a lot longer than that, and most of them never experienced anything like we have today."

What the West, especially the USA, has is simply not for everyone else.

For instance, the folks hours from Kabul that live in so remote a place that the oppressive government of the Taliban did not matter one way or the other to them.

The only real hope is that some of the folks in Iran were actually alive to have lived in the '70s with all the modernization and freedom that they had before.  Then, their kids and grandkids hear first-hand reports of how nice life was before this regime.  

So, Iran is a bit different than Iraq or Afghanistan in that respect.

Hope and freedom can be a very powerful motivator, so we shall see.

@nature1970

 USA citizens will be blamed everywhere if all is destroyed because what our government does has done and continues to do,

Totally agree with this, as it has already started.

@Rush51

 To me, He operates like a brutally efficient CEO w little wasted time, and he clearly understands his #1 job as President is to protect this great country ..... a job so many on the left abandoned years ago

Correct.  Another thing I have been saying since the beginning of the term is the sense of urgency for a lot of things is he allows for the likelihood that nothing gets accomplished after the midterms.

I saw a good article the other day expressing and detailing how everything he has done has truly been with the best interest of the country in mind.

@joe pockets

 "A nice guy" but "always been weak on security" 

[Quote: Originally Posted by fubah2]Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: Joe Kent, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, announced his resignation on Tuesday, citing his concerns about the justification for military strikes in Iran and saying he “cannot in good conscience” back the Trump administration’s war. “Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby,” Kent said in a statement posted on social media….. For those who may not remember, Kent was the MAGA favorite that Trump drafted to run for Congress against Jaime Herrera-Beutler after she voted to impeach him. He beat her in the primary, which was for a safe red seat in rural Washington… and then lost to a Democrat. Trump then appointed him to run the NCTC last year. And of course, now Trump never liked him and is glad he’s gone…..He hardly knew him !   @joe pockets  Great post, Joe![/Quote]

So, I guess we should've waited until they had the nuclear weapons,  huh ?  

By this logic , we should've waited to kill Osama Bin Laden until his plan was in place and he could attack America. . oh, wait, the twin towers really did come under attack  AND Clinton had the chance to take out Bin Laden years earlier in Sudan. 

Most conservatives and logic minded folks would agree Trump made the right decision..  You fit neither of these 2 categories.  

be safe , bless you all God help us today

@ABooksNightmare

 It is obvious we see things differently and you keep saying that I hate Israel for being against Netty's agenda even though I have stated my view on that comment multiple times.

What countries put the US in the bad position that Israel does? What country takes cash and uses the US to back their war moves against their enemies? What allies that the US has is as aggressive and war mongering in the way Israel has been? There is no other ally that you can say is similar because none are. What ally in the history of the US has used the US monetarily and militarily to forward aggressive destruction of their enemies, I am not speaking DEFENDING themselves I am speaking outward aggressive offensive actions similarly? There are none.

You lay hard on the mythical 35000 lives lost there which is supposition aside from the fact it makes no sense. Are we concerned with abuses and do human rights abuses lead the US to bomb the country OF the human rights abuses and kill even MORE people? This makes no sense. If we are concerned with human rights abuses we can leave Iran and walk down to Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Qatar or Pakistan or China or North Korea or that massive disaster of a continent Africa. If your thesis had a shred of truth we would have taken action in Africa like 50 years ago. You do not bomb and destroy infrastructure if you are concerned with human rights and freedoms. That logic is deflection from truth and it does not work in any fashion.

The region gets along decently if Israel is removed from the equation...there have been issues over history with horizontal drilling or theft of natural resources but nothing like the zion attacks Israel has done and continues to do. Israel is the problem and if you want peace in the ME it has to be that Israel changes and is muted. This quasi happened with Netty got nailed for corruption, that period where he was booted was probably the most regional peace in decades but he is back and so the zion extermination of the enemy is in full force.

What does destroying oil fields have to do with nukes or human rights abuses? Why does Trump allow Israel to do whatever they want and just make up rationale or not even make it up just bomb the crap out of where they want how they want and we just stand there watching and allowing? Wonder why Iran dislikes the US, THIS is why. Also notice that Iran is not having much of any issue with other NATO countries even though they are closer in proximity and gee that might be due to the fact they are not bombing their country and attacking their citizens.

Actually YES to the question...we should have used our existing INTEL and work with our allies and NATO to come up with a plan. Why bomb an oil field if this is about nukes? And why do you continue to relentlessly shade Israel and Trump acting as if the words are right in front of your face and you ignore them? If this is about nukes then have Israel sign the treaty and stay the crap OUT of this, Iran and nukes is NOT THEIR CONCERN. The sole fact that Israel is running this completely destroys your theory.

US drops 2,200-kg bunker buster bombs on Iran missile sites near Strait of Hormuz
The US military claimed that the strikes targeted 'Iranian anti-ship cruise missiles' that posed a direct risk to vessels moving through the Strait of Hormuz. The Central Command announced the bombings hours after Trump said most US allies had rejected his appeal for naval ships to escort merchant vessels through the strait.

source https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/us-drops-5000-pound-bunker-buster-bombs-on-iranian-targets-near-strait-of-hormuz-2883485-2026-03-18#google_vignette

@nature1970

 Yes.  The theory on some of those is that the ventilation shafts are a weak point they can exploit.  

So, Trump 'claimed' this was the case.

So, now they 'claim' they are building the underground sites without ventilation openings.

From the folks I know and talked to on this, they tell me this is pure speculation at this point.  Because it is not like the shafts are always designed straight.  Plus, you need airflow some way.

No idea why Trump would bother to say that unless Iran already realized it was a weak point, or unless it is for pure misinformation purposes.  

But, nonetheless, if they can destroy the ones already built -- okay.

The whole point of those bombs is to burrow in and have a contained explosion so it is more devastating.

But, maybe it will discourage them from building more sites for a while.