back to an endless Republicans war so 30 years in Iran over or under

It costs far more than $1 billion a day (I would guess you could at least triple that). It is basically impossible to calculate the full economic impact of a war—especially in the Middle East—because it affects so many aspects of life.

Large amounts of money that flows into your stock market (and one of the primary reason the AI-bubble can sustain - is that the oil princes reallocate their wealth). Rising oil prices mean you have less money to spend elsewhere in your economy, since you cannot simply stop using oil. Many industries also depend on oil and fertilizers.

+ If this turns into a full-scale war, there will also be significant human costs, including people who are killed or return home with different disabilities, PTSD etc. and need to be reintegrated into society - and receive the care and funding related to that.

- you also don't have any mine clearing navy capabilities - atleast not enough - so you will need help from Europe - and considering how Trump has handled the Ukraine fiasco and Greenland etc. I can't see a scenerio where we will help you in a war for free 

lmao 

and who the fuck is "we" ?

Europe , Denmark ?

Heil Von der Leyden , fella , good luck 

I did actually just say “Europe” because I thought that was simpler than listing Germany, Poland, UK etc. I’m sorry—I gave you too much credit and assumed you had some idea of which military capabilities US were lacking and which countries could fill those gaps. I apologize for mistaking you for someone with a functioning brain - I did forget for a second you come from the country that went to war with one of the most productive countries in the world with drones - and then afterwards had to promise Ukraine blowjobs on the house to help you defend you against them 

@Calde13

 A military expert ! So many these days on social media 

Try look into your naval mine removing capabilities and then get back to me 

It’s always funny interacting with you guys (especially Trump supporters), because for some bizarre reason you think your military can handle everything—when you’d actually be closer to the truth if you assumed it couldn’t handle a damn thing :D

Why do you think your military history is basically a series of failures? The propaganda over there is strong. I’m sure you don’t hear about things like your top special ops struggling with basic Arctic training during “Joint Viking” exercises, or that the UK successfully “nuked” both NYC and Washington twice in military simulations, or when a single Swedish submarine beat an entire US carrier group in a wargame etc. etc.

now lets see what is going to happen ..

merely a bit more than 3 hours ago President Trump issued a 48 hour Ultimatum to the Iranian crooked leadership 

Quote : " If Iran doesn't fully open - without threat , the Strait of Hormuz , within 48 hours from this exact point in time , 

the United States of America will hit and obliterate all of their various Power Plants , starting with the biggest one first. 

(Thank you for your attention to this matter. )

now what would that look like ?

If a country’s power plants were destroyed, the effects would be immediate. Most areas would lose electricity, and water systems would fail as pumps and treatment facilities shut down. Hospitals and emergency services would be strained since backup generators only last so long. Food supplies would also be disrupted as refrigeration and transportation break down. The economy would begin to shut down, and daily life would quickly deteriorate, especially in major cities.

for those of us who know Trump he does what he says.

that was back in 2005 , friend , and it did not beat the entire carrier group 

Hey - we had one guy repeatedly saying that this war wasn’t illegal. 
So I prove why it’s illegal.

Almost immediately afterward we start getting spammed by someone changing the subject.

Ever wonder why that is?

Multiaccounting?

The guy asking OG question that I answered has suddenly gone into the witness protection program, and now we have someone similar trying to change the subject?

Occam’s Razor is not complicated. It’s related and intentional. Do not assume that these multi-accounters are operating in good faith. Do not engage with them under the assumption that they are operating in good faith. Typical of the Trumphumpers these days, multiaccounting forevermore 

I would strongly encourage the mods to look at why/when Barbarossa and Abooksnightmare are posting, from what IP addresses, and WHEN they are posting. Take a look. No damage simply by taking a look, that’s all. 

@Sidehatch

let them have a look , i encourage them , but while we talk about that let them also check some of you group-thinkers accounts , i am sure there will be a few hits 

Don't know what your point is? - The propaganda and imagination of your military supremacy was as big in 2005 as it is now - and the only military success you have had since then - has been killing goat farmers and kidnapping and killing people while they sleep - a person that didn't seem sad to be kidnapped I might add ! And it did sink the ship it was to be tested on multiple times - So gg mate 
If this discussion was rather you have good military intel or not - you might have a case - but since your argument is that the US military can do pretty much every operation on their own - I am sorry - you lost before I even opened my mouth

Strike threat: US President Donald Trump has threatened to “hit and obliterate” Iran’s power plants if the Strait of Hormuz does not “fully open” within 48 hours. Iran will retaliate by striking US infrastructure in the region, according to state media.

• Latest from the region: Qatar said six people were killed in a helicopter crash due to a “technical malfunction.” Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia ordered Iran’s military attaché and several embassy staff to leave the country, as Tehran continued to strike its Gulf neighbors and several people were injured when an Iranian missile hit a building in Dimona, southern Israel.

• US-UK base targeted: Iran’s attempt to strike the Diego Garcia military base in the Indian Ocean has renewed questions about Tehran’s military capabilities and how far its missiles can reach.

as of the constitution and President legal right here

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C11-2-1/ALDE_00000110/#ALDF_00001621

short answer yes he has the right to engage in war for up to 90 days as Congress debates the issue

as of the lefts spin pleas just stop , cause lies will not work here.... is ethical or morally reprehensible yes fine we can draw conclusions to that diatribe but stop the whole we don't have to follow the Constitution is not going to fly aware of this.....

@Raiders22

 Ukraine spends $10,000 to shoot down a drone, and a Middle Eastern country spends $4 million. It is this experience that we offer," the Ukrainian leader explained.

peace talks in Florida highlights 

Congress intended War powers resolution act as a constraint against presidents starting war.  Without congress approval, military response is limited to self defense from invasion of US.  However US intelligence found no evidence of imminent threat from Iran.

the law and constitution redlads much different than polite spin we should understand how the courts feel about this they don't always side with the President before determining unlawful behavior 

are we a nation of laws or intentions?

@nature1970

Yessir.  I saw that.  Not sure Zelensky, himself said it or not.

I am not sure exactly what he is trying to achieve either by saying it.

Maybe, he is volunteering some help, maybe he is trying to sell some, trying to say they are a valuable partner to have and expect some reciprocation, etc.

Or, maybe he is trying to get information out to try to send message to Russia to imply how ineffective their strategy is or to indicate to his own troops some positive information.

But either way it does point out a couple of things.

Countries and folks have to adapt somewhat quickly with new tactics and weapons.  Ukraine is posting out how effectively they have adapted.

They also have developed better jamming methods that help to push them off course.  So, sometimes hitting them is not even necessary.

Necessity may be the mother of invention but desperation is the accelerator of it.

I agree. The dotards with TDS completely ignored this post because they can’t argue against it. 

It’s why they try to change the subject.

But it’s not complicated. Congress is the sole entity that can authorize war. The Dept of War, Sec of War, and President all say we’re at war. So do members of Congress.

It’s an illegal war. There is no valid argument against this, it’s why they don’t even try anymore 

Considering you are one of the most religious democracies on earth it is pretty wild you have no concept how to handle religious people ! You leave them the fuck alone (if that leads to them fighting between each other so be it) - they (including religious Americans) are lunatics