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    NFL Playoffs .............................2023/2024

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    theclaw
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2024 - 4:42 PM ET #101

    Bucs hang'in 1st half.

    Baker incredible with last drive of 1st half

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    Bucs hang'in 1st half.

    Baker incredible with last drive of 1st half

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2024 - 5:35 PM ET #102

    I would like to know why Tampa’s defense never, ever makes an adjustment 

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    I would like to know why Tampa’s defense never, ever makes an adjustment 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2024 - 7:02 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by garbagetime:

    I would like to know why Tampa’s defense never, ever makes an adjustment

    Yes, that's crazy but the way Boles plays it

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbagetime:

    I would like to know why Tampa’s defense never, ever makes an adjustment

    Yes, that's crazy but the way Boles plays it

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2024 - 7:06 PM ET #104

    Oh my, Bucs were right there for the cover, would of been the insane had you bought 1/2 pt to 7.

    When Like ns went up by 14 their play on the field was only worth a 4 to 5 pt win 

    Once Bucs scored to cut the lead to 8,;play on the field was Bucs winning by 3to 4 pts.

    Not sure how it ended up, that last INT by Baker very likely brought Lions play on the field to reasonable close to the score 

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    Oh my, Bucs were right there for the cover, would of been the insane had you bought 1/2 pt to 7.

    When Like ns went up by 14 their play on the field was only worth a 4 to 5 pt win 

    Once Bucs scored to cut the lead to 8,;play on the field was Bucs winning by 3to 4 pts.

    Not sure how it ended up, that last INT by Baker very likely brought Lions play on the field to reasonable close to the score 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2024 - 11:00 PM ET #105

    Wow, the hard-luck Bills strike again !!!!...... 13 seconds anyone ??.... Missed FG VS Giants only to lose by 1 point in the SB ....... 4 straight losses in SB.

    This is Brady VS Manning early in their career's, of course Manning got his revenge later maybe Josh will to someday.

     

    KC turned out to be the right side, Mahomes beat Allen pretty bad in QBBR by 45.5 pts and ave per pass att by 4.5 yds, wow, that is a beat-down really.

    According to PR I KC should of won by 14.43 pts not 3. Had they not fumbled out the end zone, a little fluky,  would of likely been a closer score to both teams play on the field.

    When Baker scored their last TD Bucs should have been winning the game according to PR I, but with his final pass being an INT that gave Goff the better QBPR and Lions should of won by 5.41 pts, pretty close to the actual score. 

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    Wow, the hard-luck Bills strike again !!!!...... 13 seconds anyone ??.... Missed FG VS Giants only to lose by 1 point in the SB ....... 4 straight losses in SB.

    This is Brady VS Manning early in their career's, of course Manning got his revenge later maybe Josh will to someday.

     

    KC turned out to be the right side, Mahomes beat Allen pretty bad in QBBR by 45.5 pts and ave per pass att by 4.5 yds, wow, that is a beat-down really.

    According to PR I KC should of won by 14.43 pts not 3. Had they not fumbled out the end zone, a little fluky,  would of likely been a closer score to both teams play on the field.

    When Baker scored their last TD Bucs should have been winning the game according to PR I, but with his final pass being an INT that gave Goff the better QBPR and Lions should of won by 5.41 pts, pretty close to the actual score. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2024 - 11:10 PM ET #106

    Early plays ........................

     

    Ravens -3 (-120) over KC --- 1.2 units

    9ers -7 (+100) over Lions --- 1 unit

     

    Using the same method we've used successfully past 2 or 3 years........ PR I, PR II, Playoff only PR I ...... neither of these 3 PR's finishes with a 0-2 ATS record in this round very often . I'll get into these records later.

    Through a process of elimination I can determine which team has to win to prevent any PR from going 0-2 ATS. As it stands right now with the lines where they are all 3 PR's have both home teams covering the line. Not sure this has ever happened before.

    The only way this can change is 9ers line goes to 7.5, then very small lean on Lions based on playoff only PR I. Which mean Ravens have to cover if that happens.

    If it doesn't go there then we can still play this method, but we do it differently.

    One home team is almost certainly going to cover.

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    Early plays ........................

     

    Ravens -3 (-120) over KC --- 1.2 units

    9ers -7 (+100) over Lions --- 1 unit

     

    Using the same method we've used successfully past 2 or 3 years........ PR I, PR II, Playoff only PR I ...... neither of these 3 PR's finishes with a 0-2 ATS record in this round very often . I'll get into these records later.

    Through a process of elimination I can determine which team has to win to prevent any PR from going 0-2 ATS. As it stands right now with the lines where they are all 3 PR's have both home teams covering the line. Not sure this has ever happened before.

    The only way this can change is 9ers line goes to 7.5, then very small lean on Lions based on playoff only PR I. Which mean Ravens have to cover if that happens.

    If it doesn't go there then we can still play this method, but we do it differently.

    One home team is almost certainly going to cover.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2024 - 1:17 PM ET #107

    CLOSE WINS ................................. 3-2 ATS

    WC --- 2-0 ATS

    Divisional --- 1-2ATS

     

    9ers +4 over Lions

    Ravens +2 over KC

    play is on the 9ers with a 3 diff or more

     

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    CLOSE WINS ................................. 3-2 ATS

    WC --- 2-0 ATS

    Divisional --- 1-2ATS

     

    9ers +4 over Lions

    Ravens +2 over KC

    play is on the 9ers with a 3 diff or more

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2024 - 1:48 PM ET #108

    TOTAL YARDS MARGIN IMPROVEMENT 2CD HALF OF SEASON ...............................................

     

     

    9ers +36.12 yds .................by 63.32 yds

    Lions (-27.19)

    Ravens +3.13 .......................by 26.19

    KC (-23.06)

    SB winners almost always improve 2cd half ..... play on 9ers

     

     

    Points per Plays Margin ........................................

    1. Ravens .196

    2. 9ers .192

    6th. KC .062

    10th. Lions .025 

    32 of 40 teams made the SB .09 OR BETTER. 6 teams under .09 were surprise teams from WC round. We have none of those teams this year.  1 of the 2 teams made SB under .09 was Brady in 2018 season at .08, not sure the other team. With Mahomes being the Brady of his generation can he do it at .062 ?

    there have been 8 seasons where neither top 2 team made the SB, 6 OF those 8 times one of those top 2 teams made the SB the next year.

    Top 2 teams last season .....................9ers .153 and Bills .147, neither top 2 team made the SB so this is another one of those times a top 2 team from last season should make the SB.

    Everything points to the 9ers advancing to the SB and most likely covering as well. Lions at .025 in 10th place is very unlikely to make the SB. Not efficient with their plays or yards.

    Yards per point margin ...................... Lions 14th in the playoffs (-.01), how many teams made the playoffs, 14 was it ?  9ers +3.5, 3rd best.

     

    Granted Lions are a great story but the story is the only thing great about them, the story is so much bigger then reality ............................an_cheers

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    TOTAL YARDS MARGIN IMPROVEMENT 2CD HALF OF SEASON ...............................................

     

     

    9ers +36.12 yds .................by 63.32 yds

    Lions (-27.19)

    Ravens +3.13 .......................by 26.19

    KC (-23.06)

    SB winners almost always improve 2cd half ..... play on 9ers

     

     

    Points per Plays Margin ........................................

    1. Ravens .196

    2. 9ers .192

    6th. KC .062

    10th. Lions .025 

    32 of 40 teams made the SB .09 OR BETTER. 6 teams under .09 were surprise teams from WC round. We have none of those teams this year.  1 of the 2 teams made SB under .09 was Brady in 2018 season at .08, not sure the other team. With Mahomes being the Brady of his generation can he do it at .062 ?

    there have been 8 seasons where neither top 2 team made the SB, 6 OF those 8 times one of those top 2 teams made the SB the next year.

    Top 2 teams last season .....................9ers .153 and Bills .147, neither top 2 team made the SB so this is another one of those times a top 2 team from last season should make the SB.

    Everything points to the 9ers advancing to the SB and most likely covering as well. Lions at .025 in 10th place is very unlikely to make the SB. Not efficient with their plays or yards.

    Yards per point margin ...................... Lions 14th in the playoffs (-.01), how many teams made the playoffs, 14 was it ?  9ers +3.5, 3rd best.

     

    Granted Lions are a great story but the story is the only thing great about them, the story is so much bigger then reality ............................an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2024 - 2:10 PM ET #109

    Here's Mahomes 3 SB teams...........................

    2019 .167

    2020 .109

    2022 .116

    all 3 well over .09

    Mahomes 2018 --- .188

    2021 --- .096, Burrow and the Bengals .099

     

    In both Mahomes SB wins his team was the better team.

    In Mahomes SB loss, KC .109,  Brady the efficiency master and his Bucs was .126

     

    Mahomes wins when he is the more efficient QB and losses when he isn't.  Just like all other QB's, the real reason Mahomes wins more often in the playoffs appears to be he is always amoung the best MOST efficient QB's year-after-year so therefore he has more opportunities with a very efficient team just like Brady. 

    You could make a case maybe they got their stuff together now, but both Bills and Dolphins had big injuries on defense and Dolphins were frauds could not beat better teams and can't win in cold weather. I heard Bills had a practice team player playing middle linebacker or some such thing. But regardless they did have alot of injuries and was a missed FG away from tying the game.

    Ravens have a better defense even if both Dolphins and Bills were at full strength and they are healthy.

     

    If Mahomes wins this game I promise myself to never go against this man again.

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    Here's Mahomes 3 SB teams...........................

    2019 .167

    2020 .109

    2022 .116

    all 3 well over .09

    Mahomes 2018 --- .188

    2021 --- .096, Burrow and the Bengals .099

     

    In both Mahomes SB wins his team was the better team.

    In Mahomes SB loss, KC .109,  Brady the efficiency master and his Bucs was .126

     

    Mahomes wins when he is the more efficient QB and losses when he isn't.  Just like all other QB's, the real reason Mahomes wins more often in the playoffs appears to be he is always amoung the best MOST efficient QB's year-after-year so therefore he has more opportunities with a very efficient team just like Brady. 

    You could make a case maybe they got their stuff together now, but both Bills and Dolphins had big injuries on defense and Dolphins were frauds could not beat better teams and can't win in cold weather. I heard Bills had a practice team player playing middle linebacker or some such thing. But regardless they did have alot of injuries and was a missed FG away from tying the game.

    Ravens have a better defense even if both Dolphins and Bills were at full strength and they are healthy.

     

    If Mahomes wins this game I promise myself to never go against this man again.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2024 - 2:11 PM ET #110

    Good stuff TC.....I'm still liking the top seeds to advance to SB for first time since Eagles/Patriots SB  peace_5

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Good stuff TC.....I'm still liking the top seeds to advance to SB for first time since Eagles/Patriots SB  peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2024 - 11:45 AM ET #111

    A wealth of info an_cheers

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    A wealth of info an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2024 - 10:33 PM ET #112

    I'm waiting to see Mahomes' magic on given sunday.

    GL TC

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    I'm waiting to see Mahomes' magic on given sunday.

    GL TC

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2024 - 12:02 AM ET #113

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Good stuff TC.....I'm still liking the top seeds to advance to SB for first time since Eagles/Patriots SB

     

    yes they have a great shot to advance....................peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Good stuff TC.....I'm still liking the top seeds to advance to SB for first time since Eagles/Patriots SB

     

    yes they have a great shot to advance....................peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2024 - 12:02 AM ET #114

    Quote Originally Posted by sportschat:

    A wealth of info

     

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportschat:

    A wealth of info

     

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2024 - 12:03 AM ET #115

    Quote Originally Posted by Supat125:

    I'm waiting to see Mahomes' magic on given sunday. GL TC

     

    Hopefully his magic will be limited...........................peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supat125:

    I'm waiting to see Mahomes' magic on given sunday. GL TC

     

    Hopefully his magic will be limited...........................peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2024 - 12:29 AM ET #116

    POWER RATINGS I ...................................

    1. 9ERS 16.47

    2. 14.06

    3. Lions 3.73

    4. KC 2.63

     

    MY LINES ...........................

    9ers -15.74 over Lions

    Ravens -14.43 over KC 

     

    10-3 ATS with a 6 pt diff to closing line .......... play on 9ers, Ravens

    8 times my lines went 2-0 ATS past 22 years

    12 times 1-1 ATS

    1 time 0-1-1 ATS

    1 time 0-2 ATS

     

     

    POWER RATING II .................................................

    1. 9ers 14.53

    2. Ravens 12.72

    3. Lions 7.85

    4. KC .05

     

    MY LINES .......................................

    9ers -9.68 over Lions

    Ravens -15.67 over KC

     

    All games ---18-10 SU & 17-10-1 ATS

    6 pt diff to closing line --- 4-3 ATS ......................play is on the Ravens

    2 - 5.99 diff to closing line ---7-2 ATS ......................play is on the 9ers if closing line is -7.5 or less

    2 pts or better diff --- 11-5 ATS 

     

    4 times my lines went 2-0 ATS

    8 times 1-1 ATS

    1 time 0-1-1 ATS

    1 time 0-2 ATS

     

     

     

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    POWER RATINGS I ...................................

    1. 9ERS 16.47

    2. 14.06

    3. Lions 3.73

    4. KC 2.63

     

    MY LINES ...........................

    9ers -15.74 over Lions

    Ravens -14.43 over KC 

     

    10-3 ATS with a 6 pt diff to closing line .......... play on 9ers, Ravens

    8 times my lines went 2-0 ATS past 22 years

    12 times 1-1 ATS

    1 time 0-1-1 ATS

    1 time 0-2 ATS

     

     

    POWER RATING II .................................................

    1. 9ers 14.53

    2. Ravens 12.72

    3. Lions 7.85

    4. KC .05

     

    MY LINES .......................................

    9ers -9.68 over Lions

    Ravens -15.67 over KC

     

    All games ---18-10 SU & 17-10-1 ATS

    6 pt diff to closing line --- 4-3 ATS ......................play is on the Ravens

    2 - 5.99 diff to closing line ---7-2 ATS ......................play is on the 9ers if closing line is -7.5 or less

    2 pts or better diff --- 11-5 ATS 

     

    4 times my lines went 2-0 ATS

    8 times 1-1 ATS

    1 time 0-1-1 ATS

    1 time 0-2 ATS

     

     

     

     
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    PLAYOFF ONLY POWER RATING I .....................................

    1. Ravens 18.94

    2. KC  12.35

    3. 9ers 6.63

    4. Lions 2.35

     

    MY LINES .......................................

    Ravens by 9.59 over KC

    9ers -7.02 over Lions

    all games --- 12-6 ATS

    6 pt diff --- 7-2-1 ATS

    lowest rated team (lions) ---2-7 SU, 3-6 ATS

    highest rated team (9ers) --- 7-2 SU, 7-1-1 ATS

     

    3 times --- 2-0 ATS

    6 times --- 1-1 ATS

    0 times  0-1-1 ATS

    0 times  0-2 ATS

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    PLAYOFF ONLY POWER RATING I .....................................

    1. Ravens 18.94

    2. KC  12.35

    3. 9ers 6.63

    4. Lions 2.35

     

    MY LINES .......................................

    Ravens by 9.59 over KC

    9ers -7.02 over Lions

    all games --- 12-6 ATS

    6 pt diff --- 7-2-1 ATS

    lowest rated team (lions) ---2-7 SU, 3-6 ATS

    highest rated team (9ers) --- 7-2 SU, 7-1-1 ATS

     

    3 times --- 2-0 ATS

    6 times --- 1-1 ATS

    0 times  0-1-1 ATS

    0 times  0-2 ATS

     
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    As we can see it is rare for any one of these 3 PR's to produce a losing ATS record. This is the best time to play these PR's. In order for no PR to produce a losing ATS record "IF" the 9ers closing line is -7.5 or higher that puts a lean on the Lions in playoff only PR, then Ravens need to win ATS.

    It looks like that could very well happen. If it does I will add 1 unit to my Ravens play. If the Ravens did happen to not cover I'll add 2 additional units to 9ers as I highly doubt they both fail to cover. I'll trust the info.

    We used this successfully past 2 or 3 years, last year winning on Mahomes and KC over Burrow and the Bengals with Mahomes hobbling on a bad ankle and most people on the Bengals since they've beaten KC in the recent past.

     

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    As we can see it is rare for any one of these 3 PR's to produce a losing ATS record. This is the best time to play these PR's. In order for no PR to produce a losing ATS record "IF" the 9ers closing line is -7.5 or higher that puts a lean on the Lions in playoff only PR, then Ravens need to win ATS.

    It looks like that could very well happen. If it does I will add 1 unit to my Ravens play. If the Ravens did happen to not cover I'll add 2 additional units to 9ers as I highly doubt they both fail to cover. I'll trust the info.

    We used this successfully past 2 or 3 years, last year winning on Mahomes and KC over Burrow and the Bengals with Mahomes hobbling on a bad ankle and most people on the Bengals since they've beaten KC in the recent past.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2024 - 1:11 AM ET #119

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    PLAYOFF ONLY POWER RATING I ..................................... 1. Ravens 18.94 2. KC  12.35 3. 9ers 6.63 4. Lions 2.35   MY LINES ....................................... Ravens by 9.59 over KC 9ers -7.02 over Lions all games --- 12-6 ATS 6 pt diff --- 7-2-1 ATS lowest rated team (lions) ---2-7 SU, 3-6 ATS highest rated team (9ers) --- 7-2 SU, 7-1-1 ATS   3 times --- 2-0 ATS 6 times --- 1-1 ATS 0 times  0-1-1 ATS 0 times  0-2 ATS

     

    OPPS ...........................

    Highest rated team in playoff only PR I........ is Ravens (not 9ers) .....................7-2 SU... 7-1-1 ATS

    I wouldn't bet against the Ravens.

    Ravens beat Brady twice by double digits. 2009 they won 33-14......2012 they won 28-13, they had the game won in 2011as well. Ravens are the type of team can beat these great QB's.

    KC played the fraud Dolphins who couldn't beat good teams and can't win in the cold and who had big injuries. And they beat the Bills who were kicking a FG to tie the game  with their defense banged up.  Ravens are better then the Bills with a way better defense.

    Won't be surprise Ravens win by double digits again over another great QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    PLAYOFF ONLY POWER RATING I ..................................... 1. Ravens 18.94 2. KC  12.35 3. 9ers 6.63 4. Lions 2.35   MY LINES ....................................... Ravens by 9.59 over KC 9ers -7.02 over Lions all games --- 12-6 ATS 6 pt diff --- 7-2-1 ATS lowest rated team (lions) ---2-7 SU, 3-6 ATS highest rated team (9ers) --- 7-2 SU, 7-1-1 ATS   3 times --- 2-0 ATS 6 times --- 1-1 ATS 0 times  0-1-1 ATS 0 times  0-2 ATS

     

    OPPS ...........................

    Highest rated team in playoff only PR I........ is Ravens (not 9ers) .....................7-2 SU... 7-1-1 ATS

    I wouldn't bet against the Ravens.

    Ravens beat Brady twice by double digits. 2009 they won 33-14......2012 they won 28-13, they had the game won in 2011as well. Ravens are the type of team can beat these great QB's.

    KC played the fraud Dolphins who couldn't beat good teams and can't win in the cold and who had big injuries. And they beat the Bills who were kicking a FG to tie the game  with their defense banged up.  Ravens are better then the Bills with a way better defense.

    Won't be surprise Ravens win by double digits again over another great QB.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2024 - 11:35 AM ET #120

    Thank you @theClaw for all the analysis!  

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    Thank you @theClaw for all the analysis!  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2024 - 12:47 PM ET #121

    @theclaw

     What are you betting today? 

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    @theclaw

     What are you betting today? 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2024 - 1:03 PM ET #122

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigers888:

    Thank you @theClaw for all the analysis!

     

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigers888:

    Thank you @theClaw for all the analysis!

     

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2024 - 1:03 PM ET #123

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonekrusher:

    @theclaw  What are you betting today?

     

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonekrusher:

    @theclaw  What are you betting today?

     

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2024 - 1:07 PM ET #124

    Adding additional play .........

    Ravens -4 (-115) over KC --- 1.15 units

     

    Pending plays .................

    Ravens -3 (-120) over KC --- 1.2 units

    9ers -7 (-120) a very Lions --- 1.2 units

     

     

    Pending Futures ........

    9ers to win SB +450 --- 1 unit

    9ers to win NFC +215 --- 1 unit

     

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    Adding additional play .........

    Ravens -4 (-115) over KC --- 1.15 units

     

    Pending plays .................

    Ravens -3 (-120) over KC --- 1.2 units

    9ers -7 (-120) a very Lions --- 1.2 units

     

     

    Pending Futures ........

    9ers to win SB +450 --- 1 unit

    9ers to win NFC +215 --- 1 unit

     

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2024 - 1:13 PM ET #125

    9ers line looks to be going to 7.5 which means Ravens have to cover for no PR to go 0-2 ATS.

     

    I saw this online, teams in the playoffs in any round off a SU win but not cover playing at home the next game 8-3 ATS.

     

    This was on the Lions last week and got the ATS win over Bucs.

    Also saw this,  Lions are the big public side this week, pro's on 9ers. Pro's VS Joe's game .

     

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    9ers line looks to be going to 7.5 which means Ravens have to cover for no PR to go 0-2 ATS.

     

    I saw this online, teams in the playoffs in any round off a SU win but not cover playing at home the next game 8-3 ATS.

     

    This was on the Lions last week and got the ATS win over Bucs.

    Also saw this,  Lions are the big public side this week, pro's on 9ers. Pro's VS Joe's game .

     

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