Lines dictates the game....

Players fumble to cover the spread...?

You gotta be smoking crack if you dont think a player would turn down a half a million+ to fumble a ball or 2. Half of these NFL players are hood rats and would do anything for few bucks. They wont fumble to cover a spread, theyd fumble to lose the game in which theyre favored to win! If anyone thinks that no NFL or for that matter no professional sports has some hands in it? They're completely delusional.

I just posted a youtube video showing Wash got 5 downs. And not one person in that stadium who is of any importance to that game came out and said, "hold the darn up! It's TBs ball!"  After 4th down. Nope they just went on like nothing happened and replayed 4th down excpet there was NO penalty! You mean to tell me everyone forgot how to count because everyone was just so excited to see if Wash could get a TD? Including the referees at the game? PLEASE! Thats just ONE instance that I can recall where I can actually show ppl that things are shady. Its one thing to say they are but when you can be given proof and still refuse to believe? You need a psych eval.

My friends u cannot fix a game where grown men r moving at top speed. Spreads r a challenge for us to choose on which side of the ball there will b the best effort to win the game. Hard work and indepth handicapping will go a long way. I have seen and reviewed gms and there were many things we missed. Ibelieve there r no fixed gms
just oversight in our handicapping.

Then explain why there was 5 downs in the game I posted?

As long as the human factor in in games, it can be fudged. Case closed.

I haven't commented on a thread in I don't know how long. I don't say much on here just sit back and enjoy the entertainment and try to consume all I need to to beat the book BUT this is a great "debate" so to speak and ill give my 2 cents.....Do i believe some games are fixed? Maybe..... Overall, Vegas is just that good!!!! Been betting for about 15 years and the majority of the time my mentality of betting on a game is that Vegas knows what the outcome is gonna be. Are they gonna be right all the time? F NO!!! BUT the majority of the time!!!!! Is there such thing as "bait" lines? You better freaking bet your behind there is!!!! I've made lots of money on those kind of lines.  If anyone thinks Vegas dont bait you in SOME situations you're an absolute moron!!!! Not every game of course but you gotta do your research and pick the right games and angles to throw down the wood when you get an opportunity.... The way I cap games isn't solely based on what I think Vegas is trying to "make" you bet because it isn't that easy. You gotta do your own research and analysis on numbers, trends, etc etc and pick your spots... In the end, Vegas knows what's going on 75%+ of the time and more times than not the line determines the game. Just gotta see what perspective Vegas is looking at it from

Wizard....you're an ignorant fool, and I'm being nice.

Prove me wrong then! I posted my proof. Where's yours? What's that? You don't have any? That's what I thought! Go back to your basement. Goodbye

THINK I'LL START A THREAD----"YOUR FISHY LINE(S) OF THE WEEK.....SEE HOW GUYS THINK....OF COURSE THE NON-BELIEVERS MAY NOT PARTICAPATE....BUT THAT'S FINE!...WHAT YA THINK GUYS????...IT WILL BE QUITE INTERESTING....BEFORE THE LINES COME OUT, I MAKE MY OWN LINES, THEN WHEN I SEE THE VEGAS ONES, I COMPARE, JUST LIKE KABOON!...SEE YA SOON!...AND BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE "FISHY" LINES!

Quick question? How would you guys fit "live betting" in such a scenario?

Thanks in the tank.. Great minds think alike.. Not a whole lot people can do with the internet being cranked on full throttle LOL

HEY  MICHIGAN FAN....IF YOU WATCHED THAT INTERCEPTION RUNBACK, YOU WOULD HAVE NOTICED THAT GROUPS OF 2-3 ALMOST ACTUALLY STEPPED ASIDE TO  LET THAT RUN FINISH....IT REMINDED ME OF THAT OLD "NEW YORK LIFE COMMERCIAL" WHERE A GAL IS DRESSED IN FOOTBALL GEAR AND EVERYONE STEPS ASIDE TO GET HER IN THE END ZONE!...REM. THAT ONE????...I DO!

SUBPAR!!....YOU'RE A QUITE OBVIOUS "NOVICE!"..GET YOUR TITS SCRUBBED A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND YOU "MIGHT" LEARN!!,,,KEY WORD----"MIGHT!

OH AND GET THIS.. THE PATS WON,, ADVANCES TO THE SB.. BUT NO ONE WON MONEY IF THEY HAD THE PATS.. NOT AGAINST THE RAVENS NOR AGAINST THE GIANTS.. 

ONE MORE THING,, TEBOW ENDS UP COVERING EVERY SPREAD AFTER THEY KNEW THEY WERE GONNA DUMP HIM ANYWAYS AND SEND HIM OFF.. AND COVERS EVERY SPREAD WHEN PEOPLE REALIZED HE AINT WORTH IT... SO WHATS THAT SAY? THEY ALL WIN EXCEPT SOME PEOPLE... 

THOSE SOME PEOPLE THAT YOU SPEAK OF AS DEGERNERATES MAY WELL BE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SAW THAT GAME AND SAID OH ITS FOOT BALL ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN... LOL I MADE A BAD CHOICE ?

These favors get passed around in any league.. Why do you think baltimore won the SB last year? were they that good? The media completely made flacco publicly state he was the most boring quarterback, back to back made kapernick state oh how hes so excited to be in the superbowl.. Then look what happends? They sit you through an hour of commmercials and blame the old stadium and ranted about how they need a new stadium.. Its favors man... Its their league and they can do what ever they want.. GET THIS

Where, When, and who decides to have the "secret meeting" to "script" a 60 minute game???  You guys are so incredibly stupid to think you can write a script for 110 players, 7 referees, numerous coaches and team personnel, 30 times on Saturday,  13 times on Sunday, and keep all these meetings and scripts a secret...

And THERE"S NO SANTA CLAUSE BRO!!!

JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS!!! THIS MAKES ME A THEORIST..!!!

lets talk bases if any sport is determined off sheer ability its baseball yet look at the Red Sox they are NOT that talented look at the Angels they are so awesome on paper look at what the Dodgers did this year watching the Dodgers was like the tell for me my mind could never be swayed otherwise I mean their whole season all the way up to the end was just like qwwuiolp;[bnm,kljxnnjj just redic