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#101
CUTLERS A BITCH!!!!!
Jay Cutler. A Chicagoan perspective.
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#102
Quote Originally Posted by EverydayEddie:
I can't believe this thread is still churning. I leave for a day at a time to come back and find more nonsensical bullshit on this thread. I've yet to see a single good point of a Jay supporter anywhere to be found. It's always a theory with not enough evidence or outright false/naive explanations.
Depeche - "Let's say after having the knee injury Cutler comes back out at halftime and stays in," bla bla bla. Nice theory guy. And "throwing off his back foot" bla, bla, bla. Jay always throws off his back foot. Again. You must not watch Bears games and watch them closely. Throwing off his back foot all the time is one of his biggest criticisms He easily could have thrown every pass of it in the second half. Some holes in your theory, including the opening line.
1) Jay hurt his knee at the end of the second quarter
2) Got checked out by the team at halftime and they said he could play. Because he played one series in the second half. HE, I repeat HE decided HE was done after the incomplete pass where he had full mobility.
3) He never hobbled or limped the entire game. Your theory of what would have happened is a totally disposable summation.
4) Again. You can't watch his last series of the third quarter and say he was too immobile to continue the game. Especially the last play.
The list of excuses for Jay are all disposable.
1) 'His teammates suppported him' Yeah, five or six of them. Awesome. Good teammate 101. Why would they have any other company line? They have no choice in this position immediately and days following after the game. I'm surprised more of the team hasn't come out to defend him. And don't say they have, because I live here and they haven't/didn't.
2) He helped Hanie. This is bullshit and the point is overblown. I don't doubt he gave him a couple lines of encouagement, but it's beside the point. He should have been WAY more involved as a leader for the whole team. A little ra ra on the sidelines, high fiving the defense for another amazing stop, endless etc..... Oh and BTW. It matters nothing that Hanie supported him after the game. What else would he ever do????? Throw him under the bus for not being a better teammate after all the heat he was taking for showing no passion. He's the third string QB and would like to came back to the organization next year as the second string.
3) 'The camera's only caught the negative images.' Yeah another impromptu camera man smear campaign by the network. Executed with such precision. I can hear it over the walkie talkie now, " Hey guys, lets only catch the shots of Jay being a worthless and lifeless fuck on the sidelines. Nothing that might show he might not be mentally checked out of the game. Thats an order!!!"
I know without a doubt that most of the Jay supporters know the least about his history and or everyday impossible to like bratty frat boy persona we are all so familiar with in Chicago. You are mostly supporting him for the sake of argument you can't back away from because you've over invested in supportive nonsense.
All my points have a backing of what we all saw and heard. I'm tired of this argument because it will never be solved. You either agree( Or know for sure like me) that Jay could have tried harder to play hurt. And I know he was hurt. Or make baseless excuses for him based on nothing we actually saw on the field of play.
Two questions I would have liked Jay answer that may have gained him some simpathy from me and millions of others.
1) What exactly couldn't you do out on the field that made you not want to play anymore? Planting is not an acceptable answer, b/c you don't plant. Moving with nimble feet is not either b/c you were doing that fine before you checked yourself out of the game.
2) On what play exactly did you get hurt? Oh wait I remember. You said you're not sure. I know of all the terrible injury's I've ever personally had that were sooooo painful I couldn't have continued in the NFC Championship game, I would have a hard time pinpointing that as well. All that pain on Jays face. You can see him wincing through the helmet.
Last point for you pea brain naive mo mo's. If Cutler did tell Lovie he wanted to play in the third but couldn't because of his knee having an ouchy, do you ever think we would know that? Of course not!!!! Whether Jay said it was too debilitating to play or Lovie and the medical team pulled him we would always get the same explanation. Company line 101 for all you naive Nancy's out there.
As long as there is tape showing Cutler move around the way he did on those last two series before he came out I will never believe he didn't tap out. It's not just about toughness. It's also about playing through pain, which requires passion of the hundredth degree Jay didn't possess on that Sunday.
Doesn't make him a bad guy or somebody that I wish to see fail from here on out. It makes him somebody who didn't dig deep enough when it mattered the most. He made a bad decision most of all on not trying longer through the game to give it a go.
I don't think he will ever recover in Chicago. Best of luck in another city. Sincerely.
I'm done on this thread unless somebody makes a single good point in disagreement.
I can't believe this thread is still churning. I leave for a day at a time to come back and find more nonsensical bullshit on this thread. I've yet to see a single good point of a Jay supporter anywhere to be found. It's always a theory with not enough evidence or outright false/naive explanations.
Depeche - "Let's say after having the knee injury Cutler comes back out at halftime and stays in," bla bla bla. Nice theory guy. And "throwing off his back foot" bla, bla, bla. Jay always throws off his back foot. Again. You must not watch Bears games and watch them closely. Throwing off his back foot all the time is one of his biggest criticisms He easily could have thrown every pass of it in the second half. Some holes in your theory, including the opening line.
1) Jay hurt his knee at the end of the second quarter
2) Got checked out by the team at halftime and they said he could play. Because he played one series in the second half. HE, I repeat HE decided HE was done after the incomplete pass where he had full mobility.
3) He never hobbled or limped the entire game. Your theory of what would have happened is a totally disposable summation.
4) Again. You can't watch his last series of the third quarter and say he was too immobile to continue the game. Especially the last play.
The list of excuses for Jay are all disposable.
1) 'His teammates suppported him' Yeah, five or six of them. Awesome. Good teammate 101. Why would they have any other company line? They have no choice in this position immediately and days following after the game. I'm surprised more of the team hasn't come out to defend him. And don't say they have, because I live here and they haven't/didn't.
2) He helped Hanie. This is bullshit and the point is overblown. I don't doubt he gave him a couple lines of encouagement, but it's beside the point. He should have been WAY more involved as a leader for the whole team. A little ra ra on the sidelines, high fiving the defense for another amazing stop, endless etc..... Oh and BTW. It matters nothing that Hanie supported him after the game. What else would he ever do????? Throw him under the bus for not being a better teammate after all the heat he was taking for showing no passion. He's the third string QB and would like to came back to the organization next year as the second string.
3) 'The camera's only caught the negative images.' Yeah another impromptu camera man smear campaign by the network. Executed with such precision. I can hear it over the walkie talkie now, " Hey guys, lets only catch the shots of Jay being a worthless and lifeless fuck on the sidelines. Nothing that might show he might not be mentally checked out of the game. Thats an order!!!"
I know without a doubt that most of the Jay supporters know the least about his history and or everyday impossible to like bratty frat boy persona we are all so familiar with in Chicago. You are mostly supporting him for the sake of argument you can't back away from because you've over invested in supportive nonsense.
All my points have a backing of what we all saw and heard. I'm tired of this argument because it will never be solved. You either agree( Or know for sure like me) that Jay could have tried harder to play hurt. And I know he was hurt. Or make baseless excuses for him based on nothing we actually saw on the field of play.
Two questions I would have liked Jay answer that may have gained him some simpathy from me and millions of others.
1) What exactly couldn't you do out on the field that made you not want to play anymore? Planting is not an acceptable answer, b/c you don't plant. Moving with nimble feet is not either b/c you were doing that fine before you checked yourself out of the game.
2) On what play exactly did you get hurt? Oh wait I remember. You said you're not sure. I know of all the terrible injury's I've ever personally had that were sooooo painful I couldn't have continued in the NFC Championship game, I would have a hard time pinpointing that as well. All that pain on Jays face. You can see him wincing through the helmet.
Last point for you pea brain naive mo mo's. If Cutler did tell Lovie he wanted to play in the third but couldn't because of his knee having an ouchy, do you ever think we would know that? Of course not!!!! Whether Jay said it was too debilitating to play or Lovie and the medical team pulled him we would always get the same explanation. Company line 101 for all you naive Nancy's out there.
As long as there is tape showing Cutler move around the way he did on those last two series before he came out I will never believe he didn't tap out. It's not just about toughness. It's also about playing through pain, which requires passion of the hundredth degree Jay didn't possess on that Sunday.
Doesn't make him a bad guy or somebody that I wish to see fail from here on out. It makes him somebody who didn't dig deep enough when it mattered the most. He made a bad decision most of all on not trying longer through the game to give it a go.
I don't think he will ever recover in Chicago. Best of luck in another city. Sincerely.
I'm done on this thread unless somebody makes a single good point in disagreement.
Thank you. 
Regardless of the injury. Let's look past that. Like I said in another thread. It was absolutely sickening to see his lack of involvement on the sidelines. It was obvious by his body language that he has mentally checked out on his team and didn't wanna be there. I don't think I've ever seen a quarterback be that disconnected from his team in a championship game.
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#103
And I remember a few years ago when Byron Leftwich was at Marshall. He had badly injured his knee, or ankle and could barely walk.
Marshall put him strictly in shotgun to limit his movement, and he just was back there slinging it. And his teammates literally had to carry him down the field after first downs because he couldn't walk on his own. That's an example of a QB putting it on the line for his teammates, and being tough.
Winners find a way. Losers find excuses.
Cutler supporters, take that as you may.
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#104
Quote Originally Posted by supadame:
And I remember a few years ago when Byron Leftwich was at Marshall. He had badly injured his knee, or ankle and could barely walk.
Marshall put him strictly in shotgun to limit his movement, and he just was back there slinging it. And his teammates literally had to carry him down the field after first downs because he couldn't walk on his own. That's an example of a QB putting it on the line for his teammates, and being tough.
Winners find a way. Losers find excuses.
Cutler supporters, take that as you may.
Also Lovie did make the right decision Hanie almost got them to OT.Why have Cutler play when Hanie at 100% obviously was better than Cutler
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#107
Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
Rivers played the FOLLOWING game with the injury. He got injured DURING the prior game, and then took the bench as he watched from the sidelines as Billy Volek led them to victory. The equivalent would have been had the Bears won, whether Cutler would then have played in the SB. Facts are stubborn things.
Rivers played the FOLLOWING game with the injury. He got injured DURING the prior game, and then took the bench as he watched from the sidelines as Billy Volek led them to victory. The equivalent would have been had the Bears won, whether Cutler would then have played in the SB. Facts are stubborn things.
Guy's can't walk from torn ACL's. Slightly torn MCL is a big difference, plus Rivers had surgery the week before the championship game!!
Also thanks for the post, it allowed me to look up a few things and find what a real quarterback would do in a championship situation.
Meanwhile, Rivers came out a hero with the mystery ACL after completing 19 of 37 passes for 211 yards.
Rivers could hardly walk on Saturday evening, and head coach Norv Turner said he thought as late as Sunday morning that Rivers would be unable to start based on “the way he was moving.” Teammates praised him after the game, with a few saying they would not have played with the same injury.
Turner said yesterday that he had all but advised Rivers last Tuesday not to play against the Patriots.
“My advice to Philip was, 'This is a heck of a football team. We're going to be in this position many times in the future. Don't put yourself in that position. Just do what you need to do,' ” Turner said. “He wanted to play. I've never been around that mental toughness. I've never been around an attitude like that. Then to go out and play the way he did – it's one for me that's for the books.”
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#108
That is where perception is key my friend. Continue to back Jay Cutler, but you will NEVER see anyone say anything like that about Cutler, besides of course some BS postgame remarks from the captain that he's "tough as hell".
Neither has been to the Super Bowl, but hands down there is only one choice when it comes to what kind of teammate a player wants. Mentally tough!
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#110
Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
Rocketman, do you not understand that that was the week AFTER he left the playoff game against Indianapolis and watched from the sidelines as Billy Volek led SD to a comeback victory? You are talking about River playing the next game, not the same game in which he was injured.
Rocketman, do you not understand that that was the week AFTER he left the playoff game against Indianapolis and watched from the sidelines as Billy Volek led SD to a comeback victory? You are talking about River playing the next game, not the same game in which he was injured.
Right he didnt continue the game he was injured in he played the next game totally different.So he was the same as Cutler he didnt continue
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#111
I do understand but it was a TORN ACL. He couldn't walk, look at the quote, as of Saturday night he couldn't walk. He was on the sideline with ice on his knee and then a brace. He physically couldn't stand. Cutler was riding a bike, standing on the sidelines and then finally sitting WITHOUT ice or a brace.
He then immediately had surgery, he wasn't parading around the streets of L.A.
You still haven't answered why the medical staff didn't do anything to help the knee even though there was a chance they could go to the superbowl. It makes no sense, either he pulled himself from the game because he didn't want to play or the bears have the most incompitant medical staff in the NFL
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#112
Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman17:
I do understand but it was a TORN ACL. He couldn't walk, look at the quote, as of Saturday night he couldn't walk. He was on the sideline with ice on his knee and then a brace. He physically couldn't stand. Cutler was riding a bike, standing on the sidelines and then finally sitting WITHOUT ice or a brace.
He then immediately had surgery, he wasn't parading around the streets of L.A.
You still haven't answered why the medical staff didn't do anything to help the knee even though there was a chance they could go to the superbowl. It makes no sense, either he pulled himself from the game because he didn't want to play or the bears have the most incompitant medical staff in the NFL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhctmgOu3o
Scroll to 6:33 - well whaddya know, Rovers was walking.
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#115
Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhctmgOu3o
Scroll to 6:33 - well whaddya know, Rovers was walking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhctmgOu3o
Scroll to 6:33 - well whaddya know, Rovers was walking.
Wow you found a guy hobbling around. The great part about this debate is you keep bringing other people into the conversation. You started by bringing up all the other players who were hurt and "couldn't play". All I can say is when I start an I told you so depeche2 thread about the downfall of Jay Cutler I hope you are man enough to admit you were wrong.
As for you calling everyone an idiot who posts about Cutler walking in L.A. yesterday. Look at the video, the guy is walking perfectly fine and at the end of the video develops a noticable limp. On a better note, what guy wants to go shopping with their girlfriend anyway? Wouldn't having a bad knee be the ultimate excuse for not wanting to walk around Beverly Hills?
As in gambling, more often than not the public is wrong, however, in this case they aren't. Cutler bitched out of that game, you and your few holdout bears fans continue to believe in the guy, probably because you gave up wayyyyyy to much to get him. Sadly this will be the last NFC Championship the Bears sniff while Cutler is there. Cutler will look back on tapping out of the game and wish he hadn't blown his only chance to reach the Super Bowl.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman17:
Wow you found a guy hobbling around. The great part about this debate is you keep bringing other people into the conversation. You started by bringing up all the other players who were hurt and "couldn't play". All I can say is when I start an I told you so depeche2 thread about the downfall of Jay Cutler I hope you are man enough to admit you were wrong.
As for you calling everyone an idiot who posts about Cutler walking in L.A. yesterday. Look at the video, the guy is walking perfectly fine and at the end of the video develops a noticable limp. On a better note, what guy wants to go shopping with their girlfriend anyway? Wouldn't having a bad knee be the ultimate excuse for not wanting to walk around Beverly Hills?
As in gambling, more often than not the public is wrong, however, in this case they aren't. Cutler bitched out of that game, you and your few holdout bears fans continue to believe in the guy, probably because you gave up wayyyyyy to much to get him. Sadly this will be the last NFC Championship the Bears sniff while Cutler is there. Cutler will look back on tapping out of the game and wish he hadn't blown his only chance to reach the Super Bowl.
Whatever you do don't let the facts get in the way of your ranting
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#119
Us holdout Bears fans have been hearing for two yrs we wouldnt do shit while Cutler was here,they gave up to much,Vikes and Pack will win the north for yrs to come yadda yadda yadda...ask all those who bet the under for season wins how salty they feel right now..
You act like youre a reporter that Jay snubbed or something...now this is gonna be the DOWNFALL OF CUTLER....lol..Bears will be even better next season..they have all their picks in the draft and FA $$$...fix the oline and grab a WR and lets see what happens..
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#120
Quote Originally Posted by bucknuts:
Us holdout Bears fans have been hearing for two yrs we wouldnt do shit while Cutler was here,they gave up to much,Vikes and Pack will win the north for yrs to come yadda yadda yadda...ask all those who bet the under for season wins how salty they feel right now..
You act like youre a reporter that Jay snubbed or something...now this is gonna be the DOWNFALL OF CUTLER....lol..Bears will be even better next season..they have all their picks in the draft and FA $$$...fix the oline and grab a WR and lets see what happens..
No doubt. Imagine if the Bears actually had a #1 receiver and a line that could protect Cutler for more than 1.5 seconds. My only concern then would be with a defense that won't be getting any younger, because let's face it, the Bears had one of the best defenses pretty much all on the shoulders of Urlacher, Briggs and Peppers, and none of them will be getting any younger. I'm not saying they can't come back and do it again, but those guys are all into their 30's.
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#121
Quote Originally Posted by misfit_aka:
cutler is soft...they will never get so close to the superbowl again..while he is there...
Bears fans will have may more disappointing years ahead with Cutler at the Helm . Trade this overrated Qb now while his stock is decent . Hanie is the answer , but knowing our Bears he will find a way to another team say the Vikings . Bring in a new owner and clean house . Angelo is horrible , Smith is way to low key for this city .. I don't care if he ever wins a Super Bowl here , IMO a losing coach with fire in the belly and you see it as a fan is much more gratifying to see then a guy who shows no emotion , period . Sure many will disagree and that's cool , just my opinion .
cutler is soft...they will never get so close to the superbowl again..while he is there...
Someone kill this fucking thread...
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