Posted:
#26
What matters is what happens on the field. And the bottom line is that Cutler has not been much of an upgrade over Orton. Sorry but that's a fact. 
Jay Cutler. A Chicagoan perspective.
Posted:
#27
Quote Originally Posted by Greyhound:
What matters is what happens on the field. And the bottom line is that Cutler has not been much of an upgrade over Orton. Sorry but that's a fact.
What matters is what happens on the field. And the bottom line is that Cutler has not been much of an upgrade over Orton. Sorry but that's a fact.
Fair enough. I happen to think he's way better than Orton, but that's just my personal opinion. The most disappointing thing is to learn how low-class a ton of Bears fans are. Idiots burning his jersey and shit. Fair weather morons.
Posted:
#28
Quote Originally Posted by spivince:
HE NEEDS TO DRINK BRETT FAVRES URINE SO HE KNOWS WHAT IT IS TO PLAY WITH HEART!!!!!! HURT OR NOT HE GAVE UP ON THE BEARS!!!! SCUMBAG PROBABLY HAD HIS ON MONEY ON THE GAME!!!!!! CUTLER IF YOU EVER READ THIS VEGAS THINKS YOUR A PIECE OF SHIT!!!!
HE NEEDS TO DRINK BRETT FAVRES URINE SO HE KNOWS WHAT IT IS TO PLAY WITH HEART!!!!!! HURT OR NOT HE GAVE UP ON THE BEARS!!!! SCUMBAG PROBABLY HAD HIS ON MONEY ON THE GAME!!!!!! CUTLER IF YOU EVER READ THIS VEGAS THINKS YOUR A PIECE OF SHIT!!!!
mayb next time u should put your money on GB CUZ CHICAGO SUCKS ASS!! ahaha. also VEGAS LOVES CUTLER!!! cuz they made money off of DUMB PEOPLE LIKE U! ahahaha
Posted:
#30
Whether he was hurt badly enough or not to go back into that game is
irrelevant, and that is what people aren't even talking about and they
should be. What really happened and which is perfectly fine is that fact
that Cutler was benched in that game. It was a good decision by
Lovie. He was 6 of 14, no TD's, one INT, a passer rating of 31.8 and
wasn't able to get the team in the red zone once! I applaud the decision
to not put him back in the game, cuz if it wasn't for Hanie, the Bears
would have been shut out.Seriously, if Cutler was allowed to play the
rest of that game, the Bears wouldn't have sniffed the scoreboard. Even
the plays where there was no pressure, Cutler was missing wide open
passes. He did not play well at all. Just like how in baseball where an
ace might not have his good stuff going that day, the manager pulls him,
same thing happened last Sunday. Lovie correctly yanked him. Lovie's
big mistake was using Collins for those 6 snaps instead of going right
to Hanie. However, at least they quickly made the decision to change
that too.
Posted:
#31
Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Knuckles:
Living in Chicago, you see much more than a "few seconds" on the sideline. You see numerous interviews, press conferences, etc. that magnify his lack of personality, fire and overall leadership qualities. True leaders do not have to be boisterous.....they need to lead by example.....by their actions.
box-ler is not a true leader....he a whiny, little baby.....he's like a spoiled brat who pouts when things get a little tough.
There will obviously be "arguments" for each side, but I see what I see on a daily basis in Chicago.....and box-ler is just that: a box.
The Bears organization is issuing "damage control" because they need their QB to have support or they know he'll he'll pout and cry and fold like an accordion. THAT is why they are stating that it was THEIR decision to take him out.
Chicago fans would run him right out of town if it really came out that he quit on his team when things got tough.
Living in Chicago, you see much more than a "few seconds" on the sideline. You see numerous interviews, press conferences, etc. that magnify his lack of personality, fire and overall leadership qualities. True leaders do not have to be boisterous.....they need to lead by example.....by their actions.
box-ler is not a true leader....he a whiny, little baby.....he's like a spoiled brat who pouts when things get a little tough.
There will obviously be "arguments" for each side, but I see what I see on a daily basis in Chicago.....and box-ler is just that: a box.
The Bears organization is issuing "damage control" because they need their QB to have support or they know he'll he'll pout and cry and fold like an accordion. THAT is why they are stating that it was THEIR decision to take him out.
Chicago fans would run him right out of town if it really came out that he quit on his team when things got tough.
Great points Knuckles. Several or more things to follow up.
1) The end around call was the first and only time I felt the game was over(Even when we were down 21-7 I still believed). Came from the long side of the field to the short side and took days to develop. Fooled nobody/hated it. Initally thought it must be a WR pass, which I would have been OK with. All this while Hanie had magic dust falling off his fingers.
2)It was Lovie's decision and the medical staffs decision to pull Jay. Only partially true, as they left him no choice. He wasn't the least bit passionate about going back in. They knew he had mentally checked out. If it was fully their decision they wouldn't have called him questionable. They would have said out. That was their way of leaving a door open for him to return if he wanted. He didn't want to play through the pain. Granted going back into a game with that injury is scary. I can't imagine guys that big and fast bearing down on me while compromised. The thing that NFL players and myself have a problem with is that guys have played through that exact same injury or worse many times before. He could have played through the pain no matter how scary. Bottom line. He choose not to.
3) His last play of the third quarter is one of the many reasons I won't change my mind of this. Dilfer on NFL Live rightfully slammed him for it and he doesn't regularly slam anybody. Just speaking the truth. He dropped back with extremely lively feet like it was the first play of the game. Threw of his back leg(which is what he always does) and left a short middle of the field safe check down throw short. HE decided that was it. NOTHING about his mobility would suggest he was anywhere near too compromised not to at least try to continue in the biggest game of his life. You can't watch the way he moves on his last two series and tell me he couldn't have continued. Unless you weren't watching those plays closely and/or haven't seen the replay's, which is probably the case.
Not saying he isn't physically tough because he's taken a beating much of his career. I'm saying he became unacceptably mentally weak when it mattered most. Not playing through an injury if both a pain and mental hill to conquer. He took the easy road out, where others would of and have stepped up.
He made a bad decision to not come back in and try. That BAD DECISION is what he is most guilty of.
Posted:
#32
Guys at the end of the day I will sum it up this way... CHI a good defense, decent running game, bad offensive line and average QB. MIN good defense, great running game, good offensive line, bad QB. GB a good defense (I think all three are on the same level), decent running game (assuming that Grant comes back), good offensive line, GREAT QB. At the end of the day GB is going to dominate this division as long as Rodgers stays upright. This is coming from a Vikings fan. Us Vikings and you Bears fans are going to have to beg for the scrapes off of GBs table unless Peppers can put a few more mind scrambling hits on Rodgers like what happened on Sunday (not that I am encouraging it). So it is futile arguing about Jay Cu%tler. Oh and I didn't even mention that DET isn't that far away from competiting again. BOL!
Posted:
#33
Quote Originally Posted by EverydayEddie:
Great points Knuckles. Several or more things to follow up.
1) The end around call was the first and only time I felt the game was over(Even when we were down 21-7 I still believed). Came from the long side of the field to the short side and took days to develop. Fooled nobody/hated it. Initally thought it must be a WR pass, which I would have been OK with. All this while Hanie had magic dust falling off his fingers.
2)It was Lovie's decision and the medical staffs decision to pull Jay. Only partially true, as they left him no choice. He wasn't the least bit passionate about going back in. They knew he had mentally checked out. If it was fully their decision they wouldn't have called him questionable. They would have said out. That was their way of leaving a door open for him to return if he wanted. He didn't want to play through the pain. Granted going back into a game with that injury is scary. I can't imagine guys that big and fast bearing down on me while compromised. The thing that NFL players and myself have a problem with is that guys have played through that exact same injury or worse many times before. He could have played through the pain no matter how scary. Bottom line. He choose not to.
3) His last play of the third quarter is one of the many reasons I won't change my mind of this. Dilfer on NFL Live rightfully slammed him for it and he doesn't regularly slam anybody. Just speaking the truth. He dropped back with extremely lively feet like it was the first play of the game. Threw of his back leg(which is what he always does) and left a short middle of the field safe check down throw short. HE decided that was it. NOTHING about his mobility would suggest he was anywhere near too compromised not to at least try to continue in the biggest game of his life. You can't watch the way he moves on his last two series and tell me he couldn't have continued. Unless you weren't watching those plays closely and/or haven't seen the replay's, which is probably the case.
Not saying he isn't physically tough because he's taken a beating much of his career. I'm saying he became unacceptably mentally weak when it mattered most. Not playing through an injury if both a pain and mental hill to conquer. He took the easy road out, where others would of and have stepped up.
He made a bad decision to not come back in and try. That BAD DECISION is what he is most guilty of.
Great points Knuckles. Several or more things to follow up.
1) The end around call was the first and only time I felt the game was over(Even when we were down 21-7 I still believed). Came from the long side of the field to the short side and took days to develop. Fooled nobody/hated it. Initally thought it must be a WR pass, which I would have been OK with. All this while Hanie had magic dust falling off his fingers.
2)It was Lovie's decision and the medical staffs decision to pull Jay. Only partially true, as they left him no choice. He wasn't the least bit passionate about going back in. They knew he had mentally checked out. If it was fully their decision they wouldn't have called him questionable. They would have said out. That was their way of leaving a door open for him to return if he wanted. He didn't want to play through the pain. Granted going back into a game with that injury is scary. I can't imagine guys that big and fast bearing down on me while compromised. The thing that NFL players and myself have a problem with is that guys have played through that exact same injury or worse many times before. He could have played through the pain no matter how scary. Bottom line. He choose not to.
3) His last play of the third quarter is one of the many reasons I won't change my mind of this. Dilfer on NFL Live rightfully slammed him for it and he doesn't regularly slam anybody. Just speaking the truth. He dropped back with extremely lively feet like it was the first play of the game. Threw of his back leg(which is what he always does) and left a short middle of the field safe check down throw short. HE decided that was it. NOTHING about his mobility would suggest he was anywhere near too compromised not to at least try to continue in the biggest game of his life. You can't watch the way he moves on his last two series and tell me he couldn't have continued. Unless you weren't watching those plays closely and/or haven't seen the replay's, which is probably the case.
Not saying he isn't physically tough because he's taken a beating much of his career. I'm saying he became unacceptably mentally weak when it mattered most. Not playing through an injury if both a pain and mental hill to conquer. He took the easy road out, where others would of and have stepped up.
He made a bad decision to not come back in and try. That BAD DECISION is what he is most guilty of.
Do you not realize Cutler couldn't even perform the simplest of tasks such as planting with that injury? He tried to play anyway which he should be commended for. He couldn't do his job. When you're hurt you're hurt. Nothing he could do about it.
And Dilfer doesn't regularly slam anyone? Um ya, he regularly slams Cutler. He has all year. There wasn't a doubt in my mind Dilfer would have something negative to say in this situation.
And according to people that were actually there on the sidelines, not only was Cutler was very passionate about going back in after he was pulled but the only reason he was in there during the 2nd Half at all was because he pleaded with Lovie to give him a chance. It was out of his hands. Quit jumping to conclusions.
Posted:
#34
Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:
Guys at the end of the day I will sum it up this way... CHI a good defense, decent running game, bad offensive line and average QB. MIN good defense, great running game, good offensive line, bad QB. GB a good defense (I think all three are on the same level), decent running game (assuming that Grant comes back), good offensive line, GREAT QB. At the end of the day GB is going to dominate this division as long as Rodgers stays upright. This is coming from a Vikings fan. Us Vikings and you Bears fans are going to have to beg for the scrapes off of GBs table unless Peppers can put a few more mind scrambling hits on Rodgers like what happened on Sunday (not that I am encouraging it). So it is futile arguing about Jay Cu%tler. Oh and I didn't even mention that DET isn't that far away from competiting again. BOL!
Guys at the end of the day I will sum it up this way... CHI a good defense, decent running game, bad offensive line and average QB. MIN good defense, great running game, good offensive line, bad QB. GB a good defense (I think all three are on the same level), decent running game (assuming that Grant comes back), good offensive line, GREAT QB. At the end of the day GB is going to dominate this division as long as Rodgers stays upright. This is coming from a Vikings fan. Us Vikings and you Bears fans are going to have to beg for the scrapes off of GBs table unless Peppers can put a few more mind scrambling hits on Rodgers like what happened on Sunday (not that I am encouraging it). So it is futile arguing about Jay Cu%tler. Oh and I didn't even mention that DET isn't that far away from competiting again. BOL!
Rodgers was upright this year and the Bears won the division. Rodgers was upright the previous 2 years and the Vikings won the division.
Posted:
#35
Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Knuckles:
Correct....."HURT".....not "INJURED".......
You can play "HURT"......you cannot play "INJURED".......up to speed now?......
Correct....."HURT".....not "INJURED".......
You can play "HURT"......you cannot play "INJURED".......up to speed now?......
then he was injured u dumb fuck... he didnt come back into the game because he couldnt come back in and help his team. u probably have never played a competitive sport in your life to understand what he was going threw
Posted:
#37
The problem I have with yesterday is twofold. First and most obvious, the demeanor problem on the sidelines while wearing that stupid fucking Bears winter dunce cap. He looked about as tuned into the action as a woman's knitting group field trip to Wrigley in early April, with the Cubs losing 18-3 in the top of the 7th during a freezing night game. That stupid, lifeless, sad sack, bratty, "I want to reach my fist through the screen for one crack at your teeth," completely apathetic, box of a face. He inspires less leadership qualites than anybody I can ever remember on any level, in any sport, who has reached his level of success. Comparisons are futile. Nobody is in this guy's league in terms of unlikable, and that unlikeable has reached new heights. You just can't act that way.
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This is the only thing I have a problem with. Sorry, but appearance does mean something. He's moping on the sideline does nothing to help instill confidence that they can still win the game. So, maybe he doesn't need to be a cheerleader. That's OK. But get INVOLVED. Help out the others. Offer some advice. Analyze some film.
If I were playing on that team, I'd be wondering, "Hey, I know he's tough and I know he's hurt, but how 'bout staying involved in the game and trying to help out in any way possible?"
Posted:
#38
I still can't believe the number of people who are trashing him after finding out he had a grade 2 sprain. I don't think Rodgers would be getting NEARLY the shit if it had happened to him.
Clay Matthews said, "actually, we were hoping Cutler would continue to play.....we liked the way things were going."
Posted:
#39
Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
Fair enough. I happen to think he's way better than Orton, but that's just my personal opinion. The most disappointing thing is to learn how low-class a ton of Bears fans are. Idiots burning his jersey and shit. Fair weather morons.
Fair enough. I happen to think he's way better than Orton, but that's just my personal opinion. The most disappointing thing is to learn how low-class a ton of Bears fans are. Idiots burning his jersey and shit. Fair weather morons.
This was unbelievable. They day rooting for a sports team turns me into a complete lunatic is the day I stop watching. 
Posted:
#40
What if the Bears would've come back and won the game? Why was there no ice on Cutler's knee? Why was he walking around? Wouldn't the Bears want to take every precaution to ensure his health for both a possible SuperBowl and his future? If they said he was out and done for the day get ice on the knee and sit down if its as bad as they are reporting. I've torn my ACL and MCL and the MCL was very painful. I couldn't stand for three days because of the pain and swelling. Just seems there are things that are not adding up.
Posted:
#41
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
The problem I have with yesterday is twofold. First and most obvious, the demeanor problem on the sidelines while wearing that stupid fucking Bears winter dunce cap. He looked about as tuned into the action as a woman's knitting group field trip to Wrigley in early April, with the Cubs losing 18-3 in the top of the 7th during a freezing night game. That stupid, lifeless, sad sack, bratty, "I want to reach my fist through the screen for one crack at your teeth," completely apathetic, box of a face. He inspires less leadership qualites than anybody I can ever remember on any level, in any sport, who has reached his level of success. Comparisons are futile. Nobody is in this guy's league in terms of unlikable, and that unlikeable has reached new heights. You just can't act that way.
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This is the only thing I have a problem with. Sorry, but appearance does mean something. He's moping on the sideline does nothing to help instill confidence that they can still win the game. So, maybe he doesn't need to be a cheerleader. That's OK. But get INVOLVED. Help out the others. Offer some advice. Analyze some film.
If I were playing on that team, I'd be wondering, "Hey, I know he's tough and I know he's hurt, but how 'bout staying involved in the game and trying to help out in any way possible?"
How many times does Caleb Hanie have to tell everyone that Cutler did help him? That Cutler did encourage him?
How many times do the reporters and writers who were actually there have to tell everyone what they saw with their own two eyes? That Cutler did help him? That Cutler did encourage him?
You and many others made an assumption based on less than a minute of the Fox cameras showing him and you're ignoring all the facts.
Posted:
#42
Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Holt:
How many times does Caleb Hanie have to tell everyone that Cutler did help him? That Cutler did encourage him?
How many times do the reporters and writers who were actually there have to tell everyone what they saw with their own two eyes? That Cutler did help him? That Cutler did encourage him?
You and many others made an assumption based on less than a minute of the Fox cameras showing him and you're ignoring all the facts.
How many times does Caleb Hanie have to tell everyone that Cutler did help him? That Cutler did encourage him?
How many times do the reporters and writers who were actually there have to tell everyone what they saw with their own two eyes? That Cutler did help him? That Cutler did encourage him?
You and many others made an assumption based on less than a minute of the Fox cameras showing him and you're ignoring all the facts.
I have kind of decompressed from all this since yesterday as I was on overload. If that's the case (that Cutler was engaged), then I am mistaken. I hadn't heard anyone say that.
I'm not afraid to admit that.
Posted:
#43
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
I have kind of decompressed from all this since yesterday as I was on overload. If that's the case (that Cutler was engaged), then I am mistaken. I hadn't heard anyone say that.
I'm not afraid to admit that.
Wow, someone who can actually admit that. That's something 99.9% of the Cutler bashers can't do.
Ya, Hannie's had to give a couple interviews about it. Listening to the radio all day yesterday there were a couple of beat reporters (who aren't all Cutler fans I might add) that basically said "forget what you saw on TV. Listen to me. I was there. This is what I saw, trust me" And what they saw basically confirmed what Hannie said.
Posted:
#46
Is part of the problem that Cutler is socially awkward or shy or something?
He really doesn't seem to like media attention at all and I think he was probably struggling to articulate when the injury happened, what he said to the coaches, and the final decision to stay out.
At least that's my sense.
I feel bad for the guy, because he has taken a beating all year and now he gets this for it.
He really doesn't seem to like media attention at all and I think he was probably struggling to articulate when the injury happened, what he said to the coaches, and the final decision to stay out.
At least that's my sense.
I feel bad for the guy, because he has taken a beating all year and now he gets this for it.
Posted:
#48
Quote Originally Posted by winner2:
then he was injured u dumb fuck... he didnt come back into the game because he couldnt come back in and help his team. u probably have never played a competitive sport in your life to understand what he was going threw
Well, asshole, I understand COMPLETELY. I played football for 18 years of my life....from Pee Wee up to the highest level there is. I "HURT" my knee...my MCL, actually and played an entire season on it. Tape and a brace....sprinkled with a shitload of toughness knowing that my team needed me to play. I didn't play QB, all I did was block, run routes, catch passes and excel in YAC....so nothing a QB goes through (yes, douche, that's sarcasm).
Players at all levels (or at least the ones with desire) play hurt ALL THE TIME.....some even attempt to play injured....
So before you make "snap judgments" on people via sports forums, actually learn something about sports...ok, internet tough guy?.....
Posted:
#49
Quote Originally Posted by winner2:
then he was injured u dumb fuck... he didnt come back into the game because he couldnt come back in and help his team. u probably have never played a competitive sport in your life to understand what he was going threw
Oh....and I forgot to mention that although I was playing college FOOTBALL, the basketball team wanted to to play as well.....and, yes...it was D-1.....you DO know about D-1 athletics, right?
I hope so, because you certainly don't know anything about the classroom....."to understand what he was going threw".....Brilliant...."I threw the ball"..."I have NO idea what could possibly be going through your pimple-sized brain."
Hahaa....and you called ME the dumb fuck.....?.....Hilarious.....
Posted:
#50
Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Knuckles:
Well, asshole, I understand COMPLETELY. I played football for 18 years of my life....from Pee Wee up to the highest level there is. I "HURT" my knee...my MCL, actually and played an entire season on it. Tape and a brace....sprinkled with a shitload of toughness knowing that my team needed me to play. I didn't play QB, all I did was block, run routes, catch passes and excel in YAC....so nothing a QB goes through (yes, douche, that's sarcasm).
Players at all levels (or at least the ones with desire) play hurt ALL THE TIME.....some even attempt to play injured....
So before you make "snap judgments" on people via sports forums, actually learn something about sports...ok, internet tough guy?.....
Well, asshole, I understand COMPLETELY. I played football for 18 years of my life....from Pee Wee up to the highest level there is. I "HURT" my knee...my MCL, actually and played an entire season on it. Tape and a brace....sprinkled with a shitload of toughness knowing that my team needed me to play. I didn't play QB, all I did was block, run routes, catch passes and excel in YAC....so nothing a QB goes through (yes, douche, that's sarcasm).
Players at all levels (or at least the ones with desire) play hurt ALL THE TIME.....some even attempt to play injured....
So before you make "snap judgments" on people via sports forums, actually learn something about sports...ok, internet tough guy?.....
Wow, so you're tougher than Hines Ward now. Congrats.
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