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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 11:22 PM ET #101

    Since, I think 162 games is a better barometer of trends I have chosen to look at playoff teams to see the impact of payroll dollars. Here are some interesting stats.

    There have been 112 playoff teams since 1995. The average payroll ranking of a playoff team is 9.88

    The top payroll team has made the playoffs 79% of the time.
    The top 5 payroll teams (or roughly 17% of of the league) have accounted for 31% of the 112 playoff teams
    The top 10 payroll teams have accounted for 60% of the 112 playoff teams
    The top 15 payroll teams have accounted for 78% of the 112 playoff teams

    Conversely,
    The bottom 10 payroll teams (or roughly 1/3) have accounted for 12% of the 112 playoff teams.
    The bottom 5 payroll teams have accounted for 8% of the 112 playoff teams.


    What I am saying for 2009 is:

    50% of the playoff teams were from the top 7 teams in payroll.
    62.5% of the playoff teams came from the top 10 payroll teams.
    87.5% of the payroll teams (7 of 8) came from the top 18 payrolled teams.
    12.5% or one team came from the bottom 12 payrolled teams.

    I think you can see that the majority of playoff teams come from top 10 in payroll. Another way to look at this is that of the top 9 payroll teams 50% made the playoffs. Of the bottom 21 teams 14% made the playoffs. That trend is pretty consistent with the past 15 years.

    ....Conversely in MLB to have a 50/50 chance you have to be in the top 8 in payroll and from 1995 to 2008 there were 0 teams to move from the bottom 5 to the top 8. The highest jump of a bottom 5 team was the 2000 White Sox who went up to 14th in 2001 from the bottom 5. I think it is obvious why, in 2008 to jump from the 26th rank in MLB payroll to the 8th you would have to increase payroll by $63mm dollars...

    For 2009 to get from the bottom 5 in payroll to the top 9 you would have to increase your payroll by $38mm.

    Obviously increasing your payroll from 18 to 19 isn't going to be significant but the magic number here is 9 right, since half the playoff teams come from from the top 9 in payroll. To get from the bottom 10 (21st in salary) to the top 9 you will need to increase payroll by $32mm in 2009 or nearly 46%.
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    Since, I think 162 games is a better barometer of trends I have chosen to look at playoff teams to see the impact of payroll dollars. Here are some interesting stats.

    There have been 112 playoff teams since 1995. The average payroll ranking of a playoff team is 9.88

    The top payroll team has made the playoffs 79% of the time.
    The top 5 payroll teams (or roughly 17% of of the league) have accounted for 31% of the 112 playoff teams
    The top 10 payroll teams have accounted for 60% of the 112 playoff teams
    The top 15 payroll teams have accounted for 78% of the 112 playoff teams

    Conversely,
    The bottom 10 payroll teams (or roughly 1/3) have accounted for 12% of the 112 playoff teams.
    The bottom 5 payroll teams have accounted for 8% of the 112 playoff teams.


    What I am saying for 2009 is:

    50% of the playoff teams were from the top 7 teams in payroll.
    62.5% of the playoff teams came from the top 10 payroll teams.
    87.5% of the payroll teams (7 of 8) came from the top 18 payrolled teams.
    12.5% or one team came from the bottom 12 payrolled teams.

    I think you can see that the majority of playoff teams come from top 10 in payroll. Another way to look at this is that of the top 9 payroll teams 50% made the playoffs. Of the bottom 21 teams 14% made the playoffs. That trend is pretty consistent with the past 15 years.

    ....Conversely in MLB to have a 50/50 chance you have to be in the top 8 in payroll and from 1995 to 2008 there were 0 teams to move from the bottom 5 to the top 8. The highest jump of a bottom 5 team was the 2000 White Sox who went up to 14th in 2001 from the bottom 5. I think it is obvious why, in 2008 to jump from the 26th rank in MLB payroll to the 8th you would have to increase payroll by $63mm dollars...

    For 2009 to get from the bottom 5 in payroll to the top 9 you would have to increase your payroll by $38mm.

    Obviously increasing your payroll from 18 to 19 isn't going to be significant but the magic number here is 9 right, since half the playoff teams come from from the top 9 in payroll. To get from the bottom 10 (21st in salary) to the top 9 you will need to increase payroll by $32mm in 2009 or nearly 46%.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 11:22 PM ET #102

    And it's hard to say that I'm not a fan of baseball. If you've seen my threads recently...you'd know that. I don't make those threads simply because I'm bored. I do them because it keeps me in tune with the rest of the league. I didn't order the Extra Innings Package just because the Yankees are the only team I watch. Sure that's where the volume is...but the other games are always on.
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    And it's hard to say that I'm not a fan of baseball. If you've seen my threads recently...you'd know that. I don't make those threads simply because I'm bored. I do them because it keeps me in tune with the rest of the league. I didn't order the Extra Innings Package just because the Yankees are the only team I watch. Sure that's where the volume is...but the other games are always on.
     
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    He doesn't single out any one single organization... Hell he didn;t even single out the Marlins when it was clear as day, and now they got fucked and embarrassed cause they got caught... The Orioles just haven't got caught. and their is no rule stating that any team HAS to spend the money on players ... the Marlins, Royals, Pirates, Orioles organizations are basically legalized bank robbers... Your ignorant to think anything less


    You must be a "special" child.

    The Orioles are one of, if not, the best run organizations in terms of making money. Since they are run so great they DO NOT RECEIVE MONEY FROM REVENUE SHARING.

    They are not a struggling franchise, money wise, like the Rays, Marlins, Pirates, Royals, Brewers, etc. They might not win games or been good for hte past decade but they are not a struggling franchise that needs the revenue sharing to operate. The numbers are clear as day and right in front of you but you are turning a blind eye because you cant accept the truth. Its is pathetic on your part.
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    He doesn't single out any one single organization... Hell he didn;t even single out the Marlins when it was clear as day, and now they got fucked and embarrassed cause they got caught... The Orioles just haven't got caught. and their is no rule stating that any team HAS to spend the money on players ... the Marlins, Royals, Pirates, Orioles organizations are basically legalized bank robbers... Your ignorant to think anything less


    You must be a "special" child.

    The Orioles are one of, if not, the best run organizations in terms of making money. Since they are run so great they DO NOT RECEIVE MONEY FROM REVENUE SHARING.

    They are not a struggling franchise, money wise, like the Rays, Marlins, Pirates, Royals, Brewers, etc. They might not win games or been good for hte past decade but they are not a struggling franchise that needs the revenue sharing to operate. The numbers are clear as day and right in front of you but you are turning a blind eye because you cant accept the truth. Its is pathetic on your part.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 11:26 PM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



    You are making up supposed facts, in your mind and fantasy world.

    THE ORIOLES DO NOT RECEIVE MONEY FROM REVENUE SHARING. YOU DO NOT SEEM TO GRASP THIS RELATIVELY EASY CONCEPT WITH CONCRETE DATA.


    Yes they do its just that MLB doesn't release that information and the information they have released in 2 or 3 years is relatively brief...  But anyone who isn't manipulative and delusional like yourself would see that, rather than blame the Yankees for the Orioles fucking shit team... Or call New Yorkers "typical Yankee fans"

    Its so unfair my owner doesn't invest in his team, lets blame the Yankees... Its so unfair the Yankees have people who live in CT who work in NYC go to yankee games... Its so unfair and bad for baseball... I'm a fucking baby and blame everything on BIG markets rather than looking in the mirror and blaming yourself... 

    People like you aggrevate me which is why I have spent so much time arguing with you... You are a baby and are a person who points a finger rather than looks in the mirror... Like I sad numerous times you are a manipulative delusional sad soul... Good bye you can have the last word and this way you can feel like you "won" the argument
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    You are making up supposed facts, in your mind and fantasy world.

    THE ORIOLES DO NOT RECEIVE MONEY FROM REVENUE SHARING. YOU DO NOT SEEM TO GRASP THIS RELATIVELY EASY CONCEPT WITH CONCRETE DATA.


    Yes they do its just that MLB doesn't release that information and the information they have released in 2 or 3 years is relatively brief...  But anyone who isn't manipulative and delusional like yourself would see that, rather than blame the Yankees for the Orioles fucking shit team... Or call New Yorkers "typical Yankee fans"

    Its so unfair my owner doesn't invest in his team, lets blame the Yankees... Its so unfair the Yankees have people who live in CT who work in NYC go to yankee games... Its so unfair and bad for baseball... I'm a fucking baby and blame everything on BIG markets rather than looking in the mirror and blaming yourself... 

    People like you aggrevate me which is why I have spent so much time arguing with you... You are a baby and are a person who points a finger rather than looks in the mirror... Like I sad numerous times you are a manipulative delusional sad soul... Good bye you can have the last word and this way you can feel like you "won" the argument
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 11:27 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



    How many languages do I have to say it in for you brick heads to understand the Orioles do not receive the money you are alleging.

    They ahve paid more in than they have received.

    So how is that pocketing money???

    Why should they blindly spend money on players who are left overs that would not make their team competitive. What is the point of signing players past their primes just for a name on a team not built to contend?? Where is the incentive in that?? How is that a business savvy move?? Why waste millions of dollars for that instead of saving that money for players in the future??

    You act like this is a year by year industry adn that moves made now will not affect the state of hte franchise 5-10-15 years down the line.

    in the Yankees case it doesnt. They can have a $100 million dollar bust and absorb that sunk cost and continue to do business as they do. The other 31 teams are unable to operate that way and you do not seem to grasp that reality.

    I never said anything about the Yanks giving them money. I just said that you KNOW they HAVE money. $81 million isn't all they have to spend for this season.

    Well...you got Miguel Tejada and Kevin Millwood so they technically were getting players who were past their time.

    They could have matched the Yankees' offer for Tex. You know they could have. But if you think he would have went there instead of New York at identical offers...you're crazy.

    And some of the other 29 teams can. The Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Angels etc. can spend tons of money. And look what has happened to them. The Cubs and Mets aren't exactly World Series bound.

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    How many languages do I have to say it in for you brick heads to understand the Orioles do not receive the money you are alleging.

    They ahve paid more in than they have received.

    So how is that pocketing money???

    Why should they blindly spend money on players who are left overs that would not make their team competitive. What is the point of signing players past their primes just for a name on a team not built to contend?? Where is the incentive in that?? How is that a business savvy move?? Why waste millions of dollars for that instead of saving that money for players in the future??

    You act like this is a year by year industry adn that moves made now will not affect the state of hte franchise 5-10-15 years down the line.

    in the Yankees case it doesnt. They can have a $100 million dollar bust and absorb that sunk cost and continue to do business as they do. The other 31 teams are unable to operate that way and you do not seem to grasp that reality.

    I never said anything about the Yanks giving them money. I just said that you KNOW they HAVE money. $81 million isn't all they have to spend for this season.

    Well...you got Miguel Tejada and Kevin Millwood so they technically were getting players who were past their time.

    They could have matched the Yankees' offer for Tex. You know they could have. But if you think he would have went there instead of New York at identical offers...you're crazy.

    And some of the other 29 teams can. The Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Angels etc. can spend tons of money. And look what has happened to them. The Cubs and Mets aren't exactly World Series bound.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 11:29 PM ET #106

    BOTTOM LINE MLB is a BUSINESS and the ORIOLES is a SHIT product.... PERIOD... ITS no - ones fault but the Orioles Business men and front office. 
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    BOTTOM LINE MLB is a BUSINESS and the ORIOLES is a SHIT product.... PERIOD... ITS no - ones fault but the Orioles Business men and front office. 
     
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    The Orioles don't spend money and blame other teams for overspending.
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 11:30 PM ET #108

    Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this:

    American East:
    Yankees 6 plus potential of 1 this year
    Red Soxs: 2
    Rays: 1

    Central:
    Indians: 2
    Tigers: 1
    White Soxs: 1

    West:
    Angels: 1 plus potential of 1 this year

    After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this:

    American East:
    Yankees 6 plus potential of 1 this year
    Red Soxs: 2
    Rays: 1

    Central:
    Indians: 2
    Tigers: 1
    White Soxs: 1

    West:
    Angels: 1 plus potential of 1 this year

    After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.
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    Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this:

    American East:
    Yankees 6 plus potential of 1 this year
    Red Soxs: 2
    Rays: 1

    Central:
    Indians: 2
    Tigers: 1
    White Soxs: 1

    West:
    Angels: 1 plus potential of 1 this year

    After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this:

    American East:
    Yankees 6 plus potential of 1 this year
    Red Soxs: 2
    Rays: 1

    Central:
    Indians: 2
    Tigers: 1
    White Soxs: 1

    West:
    Angels: 1 plus potential of 1 this year

    After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 11:31 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    The Orioles don't spend money and blame other teams for overspending.



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    The Orioles don't spend money and blame other teams for overspending.



     
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    National league since 1995 there have been 10 teams representing 16 teams (with the Dodgers having a chance to make it 11):

    NL East:
    Braves: 3
    Marlins: 2
    Phillies: 1 plus 1 potential
    Mets: 1

    Central:
    Cardinals: 2
    Astros: 1

    West:
    Diamondbacks: 1
    Giants: 1
    Padres: 1
    Rockies: 1
    Dodgers: Potential of 1

    The National league you could arguable say has parity, but the American League...sorry there is not argument as an Orioles fan that could convince me that there is parity. And we were even really good during the first 3 years of the sample.
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    National league since 1995 there have been 10 teams representing 16 teams (with the Dodgers having a chance to make it 11):

    NL East:
    Braves: 3
    Marlins: 2
    Phillies: 1 plus 1 potential
    Mets: 1

    Central:
    Cardinals: 2
    Astros: 1

    West:
    Diamondbacks: 1
    Giants: 1
    Padres: 1
    Rockies: 1
    Dodgers: Potential of 1

    The National league you could arguable say has parity, but the American League...sorry there is not argument as an Orioles fan that could convince me that there is parity. And we were even really good during the first 3 years of the sample.
     
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    this parity thing really bothers me, so I took it one step further and looked at teams that made the ALCS since 1995 (30 opportunities)

    East
    Yankees (8)
    Boston (5)
    Baltimore (2)
    Tampa (1)
    Toronto (0)

    Central
    Cleveland (4)
    Minn. (1)
    Chicago (1)
    Detroit (1)
    KC (0)

    West
    Angels (3)
    Seattle (3)
    Okland (1)
    Rangers (0)

    Looks like parity at first glance until you realize that the Yankees in 15 years have made more ALCSs than 9 other teams in the AL combined(Balt, Tampa, Toronto, Minn, Chic, Detroit, KC, Okland, Texas)!!! How is that anywhere resembling an equal chance to win it all? Subtract the Orioles and Boston has made as many as the same 8 combined. The Yankees and Redsoxs have made 43% of the possible appearances in the ALCS. Good for ratings bad for all other AL teams. Going into every season there is close to a 50% chance that all other 12 teams in the AL will be fighting for 1 spot in the ALCS. I think I am done.
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    this parity thing really bothers me, so I took it one step further and looked at teams that made the ALCS since 1995 (30 opportunities)

    East
    Yankees (8)
    Boston (5)
    Baltimore (2)
    Tampa (1)
    Toronto (0)

    Central
    Cleveland (4)
    Minn. (1)
    Chicago (1)
    Detroit (1)
    KC (0)

    West
    Angels (3)
    Seattle (3)
    Okland (1)
    Rangers (0)

    Looks like parity at first glance until you realize that the Yankees in 15 years have made more ALCSs than 9 other teams in the AL combined(Balt, Tampa, Toronto, Minn, Chic, Detroit, KC, Okland, Texas)!!! How is that anywhere resembling an equal chance to win it all? Subtract the Orioles and Boston has made as many as the same 8 combined. The Yankees and Redsoxs have made 43% of the possible appearances in the ALCS. Good for ratings bad for all other AL teams. Going into every season there is close to a 50% chance that all other 12 teams in the AL will be fighting for 1 spot in the ALCS. I think I am done.
     
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    Let's look at ALCS appearances vs World Series Appearances (ie, how many ALCS wins does a team have?) from 1995 to 2009 (projected):

    East
    Yankees 9/7*
    Boston 5/2
    Baltimore 2/0
    Tampa 1/1
    Toronto 0/0

    Central
    Cleveland 4/2
    Minn. 1/0
    Chicago 1/1
    Detroit 1/1
    KC 0/0

    West
    Angels 3/1
    Seattle 3/0
    Okland 1/0
    Rangers 0/0

    *Assumes the Angels don't pull off a comeback for the ages this week.

    So, over the last 15 World Series, the American League has been represented by the Yankee$ in seven. Boston and Cleveland account for half of the remaining eight (and Cleveland last went 12 years ago!). Tampa, Chicago, Detroit and Anaheim each have one WS appearance since 1995.
    Yeah, that's parity baby...a parody of parity.

    Here's another stat that will keep you up at night. The Yankee$ or the Red $ox have been in the playoffs every year since 1995 (14 trips to the ALDS for the Yankee$, nine for the Red $ox). The Yankee$ and the Red $ox have both been in the playoffs eight of the last 15 years.
    The wild card has come out of the West three times and the Central one time in the last 15 years.
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    Let's look at ALCS appearances vs World Series Appearances (ie, how many ALCS wins does a team have?) from 1995 to 2009 (projected):

    East
    Yankees 9/7*
    Boston 5/2
    Baltimore 2/0
    Tampa 1/1
    Toronto 0/0

    Central
    Cleveland 4/2
    Minn. 1/0
    Chicago 1/1
    Detroit 1/1
    KC 0/0

    West
    Angels 3/1
    Seattle 3/0
    Okland 1/0
    Rangers 0/0

    *Assumes the Angels don't pull off a comeback for the ages this week.

    So, over the last 15 World Series, the American League has been represented by the Yankee$ in seven. Boston and Cleveland account for half of the remaining eight (and Cleveland last went 12 years ago!). Tampa, Chicago, Detroit and Anaheim each have one WS appearance since 1995.
    Yeah, that's parity baby...a parody of parity.

    Here's another stat that will keep you up at night. The Yankee$ or the Red $ox have been in the playoffs every year since 1995 (14 trips to the ALDS for the Yankee$, nine for the Red $ox). The Yankee$ and the Red $ox have both been in the playoffs eight of the last 15 years.
    The wild card has come out of the West three times and the Central one time in the last 15 years.
     
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    Lets look at playoff appearances since the unbalanced schedule. The more I think about it, the more I feel that it has done way more harm than good.

    East
    Yankees 8 PO appearances/ 3 ALCS app./ 3 WS app. (8/3/3)
    Boston 6/4/2
    Tampa 1/1/1
    Baltimore 0/0/0
    Toronto 0/0/0

    Central
    Minn. 5/1/0
    Cleveland 2/1/0
    Chicago 2/1/1
    Detroit 1/1/1
    KC 0/0/0

    West
    Angels 6/3/1
    Oakland 4/1/0
    Seattle 0/0/0
    Rangers 0/0/0

    No parity there.
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    Lets look at playoff appearances since the unbalanced schedule. The more I think about it, the more I feel that it has done way more harm than good.

    East
    Yankees 8 PO appearances/ 3 ALCS app./ 3 WS app. (8/3/3)
    Boston 6/4/2
    Tampa 1/1/1
    Baltimore 0/0/0
    Toronto 0/0/0

    Central
    Minn. 5/1/0
    Cleveland 2/1/0
    Chicago 2/1/1
    Detroit 1/1/1
    KC 0/0/0

    West
    Angels 6/3/1
    Oakland 4/1/0
    Seattle 0/0/0
    Rangers 0/0/0

    No parity there.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpero:

    Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this:

    American East:
    Yankees 6 plus potential of 1 this year
    Red Soxs: 2
    Rays: 1

    Central:
    Indians: 2
    Tigers: 1
    White Soxs: 1

    West:
    Angels: 1 plus potential of 1 this year

    After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this:

    American East:
    Yankees 6 plus potential of 1 this year
    Red Soxs: 2
    Rays: 1

    Central:
    Indians: 2
    Tigers: 1
    White Soxs: 1

    West:
    Angels: 1 plus potential of 1 this year

    After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.


    Is it a problem when the Lakers are in the Playoffs every year????  How about the Indianapolis Colts?   Is it a problem that Jimmie Johnson has won the NASCAR championship the last 5 years?  Is it a problem Tiger Woods and all his championships?  How bout Roger Federer?  How about the Detroit Redwings ?

    JPERO you make me nauseous
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    Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this:

    American East:
    Yankees 6 plus potential of 1 this year
    Red Soxs: 2
    Rays: 1

    Central:
    Indians: 2
    Tigers: 1
    White Soxs: 1

    West:
    Angels: 1 plus potential of 1 this year

    After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.Since the cancellation of the WS this will be the 15th WS. On one side for the argument for parity is that 7 of the 14 American teams have made it to the WS. However looking deeper into the stats you see this:

    American East:
    Yankees 6 plus potential of 1 this year
    Red Soxs: 2
    Rays: 1

    Central:
    Indians: 2
    Tigers: 1
    White Soxs: 1

    West:
    Angels: 1 plus potential of 1 this year

    After looking at these stats it is very alarming that there is no parity in the American league. The West only has one representation in 15 years!!! The Central has only 4. The Yankees themselves have more combined appearances than all the AL Central and West teams combined. To me this is a problem, but maybe not to others.


    Is it a problem when the Lakers are in the Playoffs every year????  How about the Indianapolis Colts?   Is it a problem that Jimmie Johnson has won the NASCAR championship the last 5 years?  Is it a problem Tiger Woods and all his championships?  How bout Roger Federer?  How about the Detroit Redwings ?

    JPERO you make me nauseous
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    The Orioles don't spend money and blame other teams for overspending.


    Show me when the Orioles blamed the rest of the league or said anything about other teams spending money.



    You do not understand that the Orioles went through 3 different GMs, before Andy, and those GMs were signing past their prime, over the hill FA who were big names to fill holes in the team that were not long term fixtures.

    They were given bad contracts while they disregarded and ignored their farm system. Because of this awful mismanagement they were set back 10 years. It was not until 2 years ago that hte franchise started to be run the way it should have been run for hte past 10 years. So because of this it is going to take 5 years to correctly assess the state of the Orioles from when Andy took over.

    However, people who know baseball and have seen the new direction and business plan the Orioles are taking, have applauded their model and see them as a franchise on the rise and being revived. They will be a legit team that is contending in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    The Orioles don't spend money and blame other teams for overspending.


    Show me when the Orioles blamed the rest of the league or said anything about other teams spending money.



    You do not understand that the Orioles went through 3 different GMs, before Andy, and those GMs were signing past their prime, over the hill FA who were big names to fill holes in the team that were not long term fixtures.

    They were given bad contracts while they disregarded and ignored their farm system. Because of this awful mismanagement they were set back 10 years. It was not until 2 years ago that hte franchise started to be run the way it should have been run for hte past 10 years. So because of this it is going to take 5 years to correctly assess the state of the Orioles from when Andy took over.

    However, people who know baseball and have seen the new direction and business plan the Orioles are taking, have applauded their model and see them as a franchise on the rise and being revived. They will be a legit team that is contending in the near future.
     
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    I meant the fans. But the Ravens GM...didn't he complain about the Yankees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:



    Is it a problem when the Lakers are in the Playoffs every year????  How about the Indianapolis Colts?   Is it a problem that Jimmie Johnson has won the NASCAR championship the last 5 years?  Is it a problem Tiger Woods and all his championships?  How bout Roger Federer?  How about the Detroit Redwings ?

    JPERO you make me nauseous


    You are comparing sports that have a level playing field.

    NFL all streams of revenue are shared and every team has a legit, actual chance to make the playoffs and to get to the superbowl when teh season starts.

    Same with NBA.

    Nascar is a completely different animal. You have a level playing field but if you have better mechanic and pitt men you are going to have a better chance at winning.

    Golf is an individual sport. If you cant notice the difference between golf and baseball you are helpless.
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    Is it a problem when the Lakers are in the Playoffs every year????  How about the Indianapolis Colts?   Is it a problem that Jimmie Johnson has won the NASCAR championship the last 5 years?  Is it a problem Tiger Woods and all his championships?  How bout Roger Federer?  How about the Detroit Redwings ?

    JPERO you make me nauseous


    You are comparing sports that have a level playing field.

    NFL all streams of revenue are shared and every team has a legit, actual chance to make the playoffs and to get to the superbowl when teh season starts.

    Same with NBA.

    Nascar is a completely different animal. You have a level playing field but if you have better mechanic and pitt men you are going to have a better chance at winning.

    Golf is an individual sport. If you cant notice the difference between golf and baseball you are helpless.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    I meant the fans. But the Ravens GM...didn't he complain about the Yankees?


    He never complained.

    Since when is stating facts complaining.

    he said the Yankees are able to operate in way no other franchise is able to operate. He noted their geographic location and other built in advantages. He said thats the way it is and until MLB decides to institute a system like NFL it will stay that way.
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    I meant the fans. But the Ravens GM...didn't he complain about the Yankees?


    He never complained.

    Since when is stating facts complaining.

    he said the Yankees are able to operate in way no other franchise is able to operate. He noted their geographic location and other built in advantages. He said thats the way it is and until MLB decides to institute a system like NFL it will stay that way.
     
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    Stating facts is complaining when you bring them up out of the blue.
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    And you are stating facts that the Yanks can spend more than anyone else and it sounds like you're complaining to me.
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    And you are stating facts that the Yanks can spend more than anyone else and it sounds like you're complaining to me.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    Stating facts is complaining when you bring them up out of the blue.


    Wasnt out of the blue.

     he was being asked about if he had thought about purchasing the Orioles and what his thoughts were about the state of baseball and competing in the AL East.

    Hardly out of the blue.
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    Stating facts is complaining when you bring them up out of the blue.


    Wasnt out of the blue.

     he was being asked about if he had thought about purchasing the Orioles and what his thoughts were about the state of baseball and competing in the AL East.

    Hardly out of the blue.
     
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    Its so unfair my owner doesn't invest in his team, lets blame the Yankees... Its so unfair the Yankees have people who live in CT who work in NYC go to yankee games... Its so unfair and bad for baseball... I'm a fucking baby and blame everything on BIG markets rather than looking in the mirror and blaming yourself... It's so unfair the Yankees spend so much money,while my team doesn't  Its so unfair wah wah wah

    hey Pero should tiger woods have to use lefty clubs to make it fair?
    should Jimmie Johnson have to drive with less gas to make it fair?
    should federrer have to play tennis on ice skates to make it fair?
    Should lance armstrong be force dto ride a tri-cycle to make it fair?
    Should the Indianapolis Colts be forced to kill Manning to make it fair?


    Life isn't fair Pero, but those who don't bitch and complain and work hard and don't point fingers will be successful
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    Its so unfair my owner doesn't invest in his team, lets blame the Yankees... Its so unfair the Yankees have people who live in CT who work in NYC go to yankee games... Its so unfair and bad for baseball... I'm a fucking baby and blame everything on BIG markets rather than looking in the mirror and blaming yourself... It's so unfair the Yankees spend so much money,while my team doesn't  Its so unfair wah wah wah

    hey Pero should tiger woods have to use lefty clubs to make it fair?
    should Jimmie Johnson have to drive with less gas to make it fair?
    should federrer have to play tennis on ice skates to make it fair?
    Should lance armstrong be force dto ride a tri-cycle to make it fair?
    Should the Indianapolis Colts be forced to kill Manning to make it fair?


    Life isn't fair Pero, but those who don't bitch and complain and work hard and don't point fingers will be successful
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    And you are stating facts that the Yanks can spend more than anyone else and it sounds like you're complaining to me.


    Its complaining to you because you like things the way they are where the Yankees are hte almighty.

    If it was an even playing field these facts wouldnt be brought up. Baseball has outcasted half its fan base and are only concerned with the big dogs. Right now it is working for them but ultimately it will bite them in the ass and have a negative impact on the sport. They are missing out on maximizing interest and money in the long run because they are getting the money they wan in the short run with the large markets constantly controlling the media sportlight come playoff time.
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    And you are stating facts that the Yanks can spend more than anyone else and it sounds like you're complaining to me.


    Its complaining to you because you like things the way they are where the Yankees are hte almighty.

    If it was an even playing field these facts wouldnt be brought up. Baseball has outcasted half its fan base and are only concerned with the big dogs. Right now it is working for them but ultimately it will bite them in the ass and have a negative impact on the sport. They are missing out on maximizing interest and money in the long run because they are getting the money they wan in the short run with the large markets constantly controlling the media sportlight come playoff time.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:

    Its so unfair my owner doesn't invest in his team, lets blame the Yankees... Its so unfair the Yankees have people who live in CT who work in NYC go to yankee games... Its so unfair and bad for baseball... I'm a fucking baby and blame everything on BIG markets rather than looking in the mirror and blaming yourself... It's so unfair the Yankees spend so much money,while my team doesn't  Its so unfair wah wah wah

    hey Pero should tiger woods have to use lefty clubs to make it fair?
    should Jimmie Johnson have to drive with less gas to make it fair?
    should federrer have to play tennis on ice skates to make it fair?
    Should lance armstrong be force dto ride a tri-cycle to make it fair?
    Should the Indianapolis Colts be forced to kill Manning to make it fair?


    Life isn't fair Pero, but those who don't bitch and complain and work hard and don't point fingers will be successful


    THE answer is NO... BUt the YANKEES have to pay over 174,000,000 dollars to make it fair....

    I officially can't stand this pero baby
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    Its so unfair my owner doesn't invest in his team, lets blame the Yankees... Its so unfair the Yankees have people who live in CT who work in NYC go to yankee games... Its so unfair and bad for baseball... I'm a fucking baby and blame everything on BIG markets rather than looking in the mirror and blaming yourself... It's so unfair the Yankees spend so much money,while my team doesn't  Its so unfair wah wah wah

    hey Pero should tiger woods have to use lefty clubs to make it fair?
    should Jimmie Johnson have to drive with less gas to make it fair?
    should federrer have to play tennis on ice skates to make it fair?
    Should lance armstrong be force dto ride a tri-cycle to make it fair?
    Should the Indianapolis Colts be forced to kill Manning to make it fair?


    Life isn't fair Pero, but those who don't bitch and complain and work hard and don't point fingers will be successful


    THE answer is NO... BUt the YANKEES have to pay over 174,000,000 dollars to make it fair....

    I officially can't stand this pero baby
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:



    THE answer is NO... BUt the YANKEES have to pay over 174,000,000 dollars to make it fair....

    I officially can't stand this pero baby



    If that doesn't shut you up NOTHING WILL!!!
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    THE answer is NO... BUt the YANKEES have to pay over 174,000,000 dollars to make it fair....

    I officially can't stand this pero baby



    If that doesn't shut you up NOTHING WILL!!!
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