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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 12:09 PM ET #126

    Yeah, let's say, for instance, "Jerusalem" vanishes in a flash of atoms splitting at light speed, then you'll see spot price of bullion at 2000 bucks an ounce at light speed.
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    Yeah, let's say, for instance, "Jerusalem" vanishes in a flash of atoms splitting at light speed, then you'll see spot price of bullion at 2000 bucks an ounce at light speed.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 12:11 PM ET #127

    HLIT is 2 pennies from being in the plus today
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    HLIT is 2 pennies from being in the plus today
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 12:12 PM ET #128

    HLIT is in the green
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    HLIT is in the green
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 12:13 PM ET #129

    DRYS on the move
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    DRYS on the move
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 12:31 PM ET #130

    I've never seen so much volatility before.  Down 300 points, up 100 points, up and down like a yo-yo.  You can't trade this at all. 
     
    The last couple weeks have just been madness all over the place. 
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    I've never seen so much volatility before.  Down 300 points, up 100 points, up and down like a yo-yo.  You can't trade this at all. 
     
    The last couple weeks have just been madness all over the place. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 12:34 PM ET #131

    Wallstreet   my friend gave a play on SLM   they are government backed student loan,  any thouh here?
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    Wallstreet   my friend gave a play on SLM   they are government backed student loan,  any thouh here?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 12:41 PM ET #132

    Why are the energy stocks ticking up right now?

    -demand is down
    -supply is up
    -crude taking a 4-5 dollar hit

    Bought DUG earlier today at 62, saw an 8% gain thats all but disappeared.
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    Why are the energy stocks ticking up right now?

    -demand is down
    -supply is up
    -crude taking a 4-5 dollar hit

    Bought DUG earlier today at 62, saw an 8% gain thats all but disappeared.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 12:50 PM ET #133

    brooklyn,

    Sallie is probably just fine..not as crazy as Fannie and Freddie and more safe. It isnt glamorous and probably wont make you as much but there is less risk to the stock. I dont get why Sallie is public either, the government should take them over if you ask me.

    These swings are just goofy...down up down up down up and it should continue until the credit markets unfreeze and participants come back to get involved and bring some stability to the markets.
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    brooklyn,

    Sallie is probably just fine..not as crazy as Fannie and Freddie and more safe. It isnt glamorous and probably wont make you as much but there is less risk to the stock. I dont get why Sallie is public either, the government should take them over if you ask me.

    These swings are just goofy...down up down up down up and it should continue until the credit markets unfreeze and participants come back to get involved and bring some stability to the markets.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 1:37 PM ET #134

    Natural gas "seems" to be bucking the crude sell-off, or "it isn't getting clobbered as much as we thought it might," which in this world is as good as it gets for the bulls.
     
    Don't ask me why or how, cause nothing makes sense anymore in a totally rigged "free market," but solars (FSLR, SPWRA) and natural gas futures will work for bulls over the next month.
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    Natural gas "seems" to be bucking the crude sell-off, or "it isn't getting clobbered as much as we thought it might," which in this world is as good as it gets for the bulls.
     
    Don't ask me why or how, cause nothing makes sense anymore in a totally rigged "free market," but solars (FSLR, SPWRA) and natural gas futures will work for bulls over the next month.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 2:03 PM ET #135

    airlines are kicking butt today. UAUA up 25+% rest are better than 15%

     
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    airlines are kicking butt today. UAUA up 25+% rest are better than 15%

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 2:35 PM ET #136

    Oil coming down REALLY REALLY saves these airlines..now fuel prices are back to levels in which BK wont happen and I imagine some of the carriers are locking in future fuel at these prices.

    If fuel prices keep falling some of these names will make a TON of money, especially the ones who came out of BK clean not long ago, like DAL.

    These fert stocks keep getting mushed..POT, IPI, MOS, MON

    I imagine we could see +200 or -300 in the last hour with how thin the markets are.
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    Oil coming down REALLY REALLY saves these airlines..now fuel prices are back to levels in which BK wont happen and I imagine some of the carriers are locking in future fuel at these prices.

    If fuel prices keep falling some of these names will make a TON of money, especially the ones who came out of BK clean not long ago, like DAL.

    These fert stocks keep getting mushed..POT, IPI, MOS, MON

    I imagine we could see +200 or -300 in the last hour with how thin the markets are.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 2:46 PM ET #137


    Wall,

     The thin trading is reflective of 1.hedge funds being forced to the sidelines Hedge funds choosing to head to the sidelines 3.Individuals bailing out 4. the evaporation of wealth for both of the above...or ????

     

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    Wall,

     The thin trading is reflective of 1.hedge funds being forced to the sidelines Hedge funds choosing to head to the sidelines 3.Individuals bailing out 4. the evaporation of wealth for both of the above...or ????

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 2:52 PM ET #138

    Vermeer,

    Hedgies being on the sidelines, MMs holding back, financial firms being on the sidelines.

    The retail guy really doesnt do anything in the market, so I dont include them at all in the equation.

    To me this is hedgies, MMs and financial firms being gunshy or just plain out of the market.

    Here is a good example..look at the spreads on most stocks, they are wider especially on the higher beta companies, the bids arent deep or large and the options market is a joke.
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    Vermeer,

    Hedgies being on the sidelines, MMs holding back, financial firms being on the sidelines.

    The retail guy really doesnt do anything in the market, so I dont include them at all in the equation.

    To me this is hedgies, MMs and financial firms being gunshy or just plain out of the market.

    Here is a good example..look at the spreads on most stocks, they are wider especially on the higher beta companies, the bids arent deep or large and the options market is a joke.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:02 PM ET #139

    Does this not factor in?

    US investors pulled a record $65bn out of mutual funds in the week to last Friday, as their losses mounted from failing stock and bond markets.

    Two-thirds of the money was drawn from equity funds, which saw outflows of close to $9bn on Friday alone. Equity funds have had outflows of $56bn during October so far – the largest monthly drop since records began almost 20 years ago


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    Does this not factor in?

    US investors pulled a record $65bn out of mutual funds in the week to last Friday, as their losses mounted from failing stock and bond markets.

    Two-thirds of the money was drawn from equity funds, which saw outflows of close to $9bn on Friday alone. Equity funds have had outflows of $56bn during October so far – the largest monthly drop since records began almost 20 years ago


     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:06 PM ET #140

    Yeah that is not what I consider retail investors.

    401k investors are not really TRADERS and dont add liquidity to the markets. 401k investors do effect MF companies and their transactions but think about it in total dollars and volume. MMs, Hedgies and financial firms for their OWN accounts are those who are making the bid and offers.

    When I was a broker we did order flow for THREE hedge funds and financial firms..these guys just tossed it in at the market for the most part..they werent supporting or holding a position, just buy it or sell it.



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    Yeah that is not what I consider retail investors.

    401k investors are not really TRADERS and dont add liquidity to the markets. 401k investors do effect MF companies and their transactions but think about it in total dollars and volume. MMs, Hedgies and financial firms for their OWN accounts are those who are making the bid and offers.

    When I was a broker we did order flow for THREE hedge funds and financial firms..these guys just tossed it in at the market for the most part..they werent supporting or holding a position, just buy it or sell it.



     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:53 PM ET #141


     Gotcha..."retail investor" is one of the many terms I have always heard bandied about, and I for one never knew what seemed to be a highly elastic definition of it.

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     Gotcha..."retail investor" is one of the many terms I have always heard bandied about, and I for one never knew what seemed to be a highly elastic definition of it.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:53 PM ET #142

    Another unhealthy day for the markets.

    Down 300 up 400, this sort of action is great for gambling but not good for a bottom in the market.


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    Another unhealthy day for the markets.

    Down 300 up 400, this sort of action is great for gambling but not good for a bottom in the market.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:56 PM ET #143

    WS did you play the dow wager?

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    WS did you play the dow wager?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:57 PM ET #144

    ISRG reports tonite, with them being up 25 or so and the market up 400 I would go PUTS for the gamble if I were playing it.
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    ISRG reports tonite, with them being up 25 or so and the market up 400 I would go PUTS for the gamble if I were playing it.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:58 PM ET #145

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    I think its pretty safe to say that those short sellers killed the stock last week. it's no coinensedense that this rally 40% came 1 day before option expiration date. 
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    I think its pretty safe to say that those short sellers killed the stock last week. it's no coinensedense that this rally 40% came 1 day before option expiration date. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:58 PM ET #146

    Hat,

    Nah I didnt see you guys talking about it and I didnt even look.

    What were the odds?

    I would have gone higher if the odds were reasonable, after the previous two days actions and knowing friday is a down day lately..

    I would also go lower tomorrow for that same trend.
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    Hat,

    Nah I didnt see you guys talking about it and I didnt even look.

    What were the odds?

    I would have gone higher if the odds were reasonable, after the previous two days actions and knowing friday is a down day lately..

    I would also go lower tomorrow for that same trend.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 4:00 PM ET #147

    I took it finishing up at -110....the down was -130
     
    woohooo  4-2 record now!
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    I took it finishing up at -110....the down was -130
     
    woohooo  4-2 record now!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 4:12 PM ET #148

    WS you playn anything tonight in the baseball game?
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    WS you playn anything tonight in the baseball game?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 4:18 PM ET #149

    Hat,

    I havent played any bases so far this post season, how about you?

    I am considering the BYU/TCU game..thinking about the over if the line drops some. I think BYU's defense can give up point and I think BYU's offense can score if they get down.  
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    Hat,

    I havent played any bases so far this post season, how about you?

    I am considering the BYU/TCU game..thinking about the over if the line drops some. I think BYU's defense can give up point and I think BYU's offense can score if they get down.  
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 4:25 PM ET #150

    i like your over thoughts on that BYU game.  I played FSU -11 so far....been playing MLB here and there....I have TB for the series and it's a strange line tonight.  My inital reaction is I want to hammer TB, but it seems to enticing so I'm gonna think about it some more....Im gonna tail ya on that BYU over
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    i like your over thoughts on that BYU game.  I played FSU -11 so far....been playing MLB here and there....I have TB for the series and it's a strange line tonight.  My inital reaction is I want to hammer TB, but it seems to enticing so I'm gonna think about it some more....Im gonna tail ya on that BYU over
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