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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 10:53 AM ET #101

    Jax-
     
    No, it's not.  Read my reply to you above, man.
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    Jax-
     
    No, it's not.  Read my reply to you above, man.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:00 AM ET #102

    the secular bear market we entered back in 2000 will not likely end until roughly 2015, and the secular inflationary trend that began in 2003 will be in place until 2015 as well. This time frame makes sense when looking at the historical script of secular inflationary events that typically last roughly 17 years when excluding the protracted 1879-1920 event. The actual bottom in the year-over-year (YOY) rate of change in the CPI came in 1998 at 1.55%, with the smoothed rate bottoming in 2003 at 2.45%. Taking the average secular inflationary length of 17 years and using 1998 as the disinflationary bottom and you get 2015, also the bottom in the relative demographic ratio which should correspondingly mark the peak in inflation and bottom in productivity gains.
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    the secular bear market we entered back in 2000 will not likely end until roughly 2015, and the secular inflationary trend that began in 2003 will be in place until 2015 as well. This time frame makes sense when looking at the historical script of secular inflationary events that typically last roughly 17 years when excluding the protracted 1879-1920 event. The actual bottom in the year-over-year (YOY) rate of change in the CPI came in 1998 at 1.55%, with the smoothed rate bottoming in 2003 at 2.45%. Taking the average secular inflationary length of 17 years and using 1998 as the disinflationary bottom and you get 2015, also the bottom in the relative demographic ratio which should correspondingly mark the peak in inflation and bottom in productivity gains.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:02 AM ET #103


     Daily moves of anything are of some small interest I suppose.Oil is going down,too, making it cheaper for those about to be thrown out of work to drive around looking for the jobs that are not going to be there.



     

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     Daily moves of anything are of some small interest I suppose.Oil is going down,too, making it cheaper for those about to be thrown out of work to drive around looking for the jobs that are not going to be there.



     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:02 AM ET #104

    Here we go again, probably going to test the lows from last week.
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    Here we go again, probably going to test the lows from last week.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:04 AM ET #105

    I just noticed aig's dividend .88 or .22 qtrly the stocks price is 2.22

    will this dividend change ?? if so when ???

    .88 is like 40% return. 

    even if the company goes down to $1 the dividend alone would make it a great investment at that price.

    I figure wall you would have the best knowledge on this what do you think ??
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    I just noticed aig's dividend .88 or .22 qtrly the stocks price is 2.22

    will this dividend change ?? if so when ???

    .88 is like 40% return. 

    even if the company goes down to $1 the dividend alone would make it a great investment at that price.

    I figure wall you would have the best knowledge on this what do you think ??
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:08 AM ET #106

    Win, would that be the LAST quarterly dividend?  Ain't no guarantees on dividends.  I would expect them to slash or eliminate for the next quarter given their situation.
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    Win, would that be the LAST quarterly dividend?  Ain't no guarantees on dividends.  I would expect them to slash or eliminate for the next quarter given their situation.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:08 AM ET #107

    Vermeer-
     
    Here is a prediction.....
     
    By end of 2014, Dow 20,000.  Due to the inflation coming and systematic devaluation of the dollar, Dow 20,000 at end of 2014 will be like Dow 8,000 today-----which we are about to see.
     
    So in 6 years, the US stock market will essentially go nowhere.  Mix that with rampant inflation and unemployment, and we got a wonderful recipe for a "New World Order."
     
    In summary, we are totally fckued.
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    Vermeer-
     
    Here is a prediction.....
     
    By end of 2014, Dow 20,000.  Due to the inflation coming and systematic devaluation of the dollar, Dow 20,000 at end of 2014 will be like Dow 8,000 today-----which we are about to see.
     
    So in 6 years, the US stock market will essentially go nowhere.  Mix that with rampant inflation and unemployment, and we got a wonderful recipe for a "New World Order."
     
    In summary, we are totally fckued.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:10 AM ET #108

    The likelihood that AIG, trading at 2 bucks, keeps its QDiv of 22 cents is 0.0%.
     
    Your local rinky dink high school football team has a better chance of going 19-0 playing an NFL schedule.
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    The likelihood that AIG, trading at 2 bucks, keeps its QDiv of 22 cents is 0.0%.
     
    Your local rinky dink high school football team has a better chance of going 19-0 playing an NFL schedule.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:11 AM ET #109

    MGM down 14% under $13.  Is this company ever going to be a buy?
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    MGM down 14% under $13.  Is this company ever going to be a buy?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:13 AM ET #110

    D2 yeah thats their last quartly dividend i believe.

    would their div still be good for the 4th qtr im wondering. the 3rd qtr looks like it was paid on 9-19-08


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    D2 yeah thats their last quartly dividend i believe.

    would their div still be good for the 4th qtr im wondering. the 3rd qtr looks like it was paid on 9-19-08


     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:13 AM ET #111

    About 300 points of last week's low.  Dow -700 would break lows.  We see that today?
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    About 300 points of last week's low.  Dow -700 would break lows.  We see that today?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:13 AM ET #112

    Goddamn, spot crude at 69+ bucks a barrel.
     
    Based on 4 buck a gallon gas when that crap was close to 150 a barrel, then why in the f--k is gas not selling for 2 bucks a gallon at the local station?
     
    'Cause the price of this crap is manipulated.
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    Goddamn, spot crude at 69+ bucks a barrel.
     
    Based on 4 buck a gallon gas when that crap was close to 150 a barrel, then why in the f--k is gas not selling for 2 bucks a gallon at the local station?
     
    'Cause the price of this crap is manipulated.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:13 AM ET #113

     AIG keeping its dividend is as likely as Hank Greenberg keeping an erection.

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     AIG keeping its dividend is as likely as Hank Greenberg keeping an erection.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:15 AM ET #114

    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Goddamn, spot crude at 69+ bucks a barrel.
     
    Based on 4 buck a gallon gas when that crap was close to 150 a barrel, then why in the f--k is gas not selling for 2 bucks a gallon at the local station?
     
    'Cause the price of this crap is manipulated.


      It will be under $2 in a couple of weeks CC, selling for $2.54 down the street here
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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Goddamn, spot crude at 69+ bucks a barrel.
     
    Based on 4 buck a gallon gas when that crap was close to 150 a barrel, then why in the f--k is gas not selling for 2 bucks a gallon at the local station?
     
    'Cause the price of this crap is manipulated.


      It will be under $2 in a couple of weeks CC, selling for $2.54 down the street here
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:17 AM ET #115

    Depeche-
     
    I'd say better than 50/50 we see Dow 7800ish today.
     
    Personally, am looking to do a long "trade," but am not stepping in until Dow 7800ish.  I could be dead wrong, but I see no reason why someone/anyone is all of a sudden about to start buying.
     
    Last Friday, we were headed for a 1500 point drop around 1445, and all of a sudden there was frantic buying to keep the averages from imploding.  Not going to happen today.
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    Depeche-
     
    I'd say better than 50/50 we see Dow 7800ish today.
     
    Personally, am looking to do a long "trade," but am not stepping in until Dow 7800ish.  I could be dead wrong, but I see no reason why someone/anyone is all of a sudden about to start buying.
     
    Last Friday, we were headed for a 1500 point drop around 1445, and all of a sudden there was frantic buying to keep the averages from imploding.  Not going to happen today.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:18 AM ET #116

    Still 3 bucks in my sorry town.
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    Still 3 bucks in my sorry town.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:20 AM ET #117

    The only thing that I could see "maybe" propping up this absolutely dismal market is the fact that tomorrow is options expiration.
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    The only thing that I could see "maybe" propping up this absolutely dismal market is the fact that tomorrow is options expiration.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:33 AM ET #118

    I do not know about you CC, but I hardly pay attention to early trading.The only time I really pay attention is 3-4 pm.

     I do see that SKF has headed upwards again...damn.
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    I do not know about you CC, but I hardly pay attention to early trading.The only time I really pay attention is 3-4 pm.

     I do see that SKF has headed upwards again...damn.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:34 AM ET #119

    Gas is around $2.60 here in Little Rock   Which is nice, because my wife's Benz (name drop) only fills up with Premium
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    Gas is around $2.60 here in Little Rock   Which is nice, because my wife's Benz (name drop) only fills up with Premium
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:34 AM ET #120

    I think my Dow wager finishing up today is in trouble

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    I think my Dow wager finishing up today is in trouble

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:35 AM ET #121

    oil and gold down 5% each roughly

    and the vix is up above 80

    fwiw - governments worldwide are selling and shorting those two dollar hedge/flight to safety commodities

    the game is rigged to make everything appear as normal...

    carry on


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    oil and gold down 5% each roughly

    and the vix is up above 80

    fwiw - governments worldwide are selling and shorting those two dollar hedge/flight to safety commodities

    the game is rigged to make everything appear as normal...

    carry on


     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:39 AM ET #122

    Vermeer-
     
    My favorite and best time to "trade" is usually beginning around 1 or 2 in the afternoon.
     
    The open/close is not for the little guy cause of all the unwinding.  You need inside info to game it properly.  A hell of a lot easier to game the "after lunch" mindset.
     
    I think the long SKF trade is pretty much caput due to the bailout packages, but I could be dead wrong.
     
    To me the only way to play the financials is to get long on pullbacks, cause then you are totally swimming downstream.
     
    I hate to be on the same side of the public, but going up against the gov't and their trillions of dollars is sheer lunacy-----like jumping in shark infested waters with chum bags strapped to you and kicking sharks in their faces.
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    My favorite and best time to "trade" is usually beginning around 1 or 2 in the afternoon.
     
    The open/close is not for the little guy cause of all the unwinding.  You need inside info to game it properly.  A hell of a lot easier to game the "after lunch" mindset.
     
    I think the long SKF trade is pretty much caput due to the bailout packages, but I could be dead wrong.
     
    To me the only way to play the financials is to get long on pullbacks, cause then you are totally swimming downstream.
     
    I hate to be on the same side of the public, but going up against the gov't and their trillions of dollars is sheer lunacy-----like jumping in shark infested waters with chum bags strapped to you and kicking sharks in their faces.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 11:59 AM ET #123

    I think the VIX isnt meaning much because there arent market participants so the volitility is extreme. In the past there were MMs and firms and hedgies who made markets in stocks and that reduced downside swings and extreme upside swings.

    Nice little bounce here early, too bad they can vaporize it in 5 minutes on a few down ticks.  
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    I think the VIX isnt meaning much because there arent market participants so the volitility is extreme. In the past there were MMs and firms and hedgies who made markets in stocks and that reduced downside swings and extreme upside swings.

    Nice little bounce here early, too bad they can vaporize it in 5 minutes on a few down ticks.  
     
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     I do not think our government in particular is capable of commanding an economy.Command economies are 0 for the centuries, and will remain at that average.We will simply add to the count.

     So I have been happy to bet against the financial acumen of Congress.
     
      The guys who people are expected to trust to solve this mess are the very ones that created it.

     And while everyone is concerned about the financial arena, they had better factor in serious defeats in the military and war on terror, and imagine the VIX after, say, after a major explosion in a European capital.



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     I do not think our government in particular is capable of commanding an economy.Command economies are 0 for the centuries, and will remain at that average.We will simply add to the count.

     So I have been happy to bet against the financial acumen of Congress.
     
      The guys who people are expected to trust to solve this mess are the very ones that created it.

     And while everyone is concerned about the financial arena, they had better factor in serious defeats in the military and war on terror, and imagine the VIX after, say, after a major explosion in a European capital.



     
     
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