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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 11:44 AM ET #51

    I feel like flipping something today.




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    I feel like flipping something today.




     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 11:45 AM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonwhitesknee:

    World economies dumping trillions into banks to stave off the current wave of trouble... Isn't this just going to lead to much bigger problems down the road (inflation crisis)?


    It could if there wasnt a freeze in this sector. To increase monetary supply is inflationary but this isnt meant to allow them to margin and borrow MORE, the point is they have been lending less and afraid to transact business. The move of course was to free up the credit logjam and I hope they unwind it when liquidity returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonwhitesknee:

    World economies dumping trillions into banks to stave off the current wave of trouble... Isn't this just going to lead to much bigger problems down the road (inflation crisis)?


    It could if there wasnt a freeze in this sector. To increase monetary supply is inflationary but this isnt meant to allow them to margin and borrow MORE, the point is they have been lending less and afraid to transact business. The move of course was to free up the credit logjam and I hope they unwind it when liquidity returns.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 6:40 PM ET #53

    DRYS showing great strength today


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    DRYS showing great strength today


     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 7:06 PM ET #54

    Jason-
     
    YES!!!!!!!!  Inflation will rear its ugly head BIGTIME in about 12-18 months.
     
    You won't see hardly any inflation for the next 12 months cause the world economy is so hideous-----it won't allow it.
     
    Layoffs coming in Decemeber will be horrific, and that will keep inflationary pressures at bay......for now.
     
    In 5 years, you could easily get a DOW of 20,000, but in terms of even today's worthless dollar----which will get worse and worse due to all the bailout packages------in 2014, a 20000 DOW would be like a DOW today of 8000----where we are now as soon as the next sell-off hits.
     
    The way to beat inflation for the next 5 years is gold bullion.
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    Jason-
     
    YES!!!!!!!!  Inflation will rear its ugly head BIGTIME in about 12-18 months.
     
    You won't see hardly any inflation for the next 12 months cause the world economy is so hideous-----it won't allow it.
     
    Layoffs coming in Decemeber will be horrific, and that will keep inflationary pressures at bay......for now.
     
    In 5 years, you could easily get a DOW of 20,000, but in terms of even today's worthless dollar----which will get worse and worse due to all the bailout packages------in 2014, a 20000 DOW would be like a DOW today of 8000----where we are now as soon as the next sell-off hits.
     
    The way to beat inflation for the next 5 years is gold bullion.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 7:07 PM ET #55

    VH2,

    This still is nothing, they are underpricing the stock by 50 bucks plus.

    At 70 that prices the underlying shipping at a very lean 4 times 2009 earnings (assuming terrible current BDI rates) with 40 bucks shipping and 30 for the spin.

    I expect more vessel acquisitions this year, I hope on the dirt cheap..get the fleet up to 75 plus over the next two years.

    Nice piece from TSCM today, even though they have it wrong for the most part.
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    VH2,

    This still is nothing, they are underpricing the stock by 50 bucks plus.

    At 70 that prices the underlying shipping at a very lean 4 times 2009 earnings (assuming terrible current BDI rates) with 40 bucks shipping and 30 for the spin.

    I expect more vessel acquisitions this year, I hope on the dirt cheap..get the fleet up to 75 plus over the next two years.

    Nice piece from TSCM today, even though they have it wrong for the most part.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 7:08 PM ET #56

    If we get any hype and hoopla the next few days as shorts are terrorized, then I will enter a short of SPY.
     
    This "rally" we're getting now is pure mularkey.
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    If we get any hype and hoopla the next few days as shorts are terrorized, then I will enter a short of SPY.
     
    This "rally" we're getting now is pure mularkey.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 7:10 PM ET #57

    SKF may have seen its peak last week, as the bailout package goes almost directly to the 9 banks.
     
    The SKF trade is pretty much caput due to the bailout packages.
     
    Also, everyone and his dog are aware that 3Q for financials is hideous-----already priced in.
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    SKF may have seen its peak last week, as the bailout package goes almost directly to the 9 banks.
     
    The SKF trade is pretty much caput due to the bailout packages.
     
    Also, everyone and his dog are aware that 3Q for financials is hideous-----already priced in.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 7:18 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    VH2,

    This still is nothing, they are underpricing the stock by 50 bucks plus.

    At 70 that prices the underlying shipping at a very lean 4 times 2009 earnings (assuming terrible current BDI rates) with 40 bucks shipping and 30 for the spin.

    I expect more vessel acquisitions this year, I hope on the dirt cheap..get the fleet up to 75 plus over the next two years.

    Nice piece from TSCM today, even though they have it wrong for the most part.


    I hope that plays true Wallstreet . . . I really enjoyed reading all the pieces that keep coming out about DRYS. 

    I loaded the truck on the trip down to the teens and now have averaged down substantially on this stock.  I feel now I am in a good position for the long haul. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    VH2,

    This still is nothing, they are underpricing the stock by 50 bucks plus.

    At 70 that prices the underlying shipping at a very lean 4 times 2009 earnings (assuming terrible current BDI rates) with 40 bucks shipping and 30 for the spin.

    I expect more vessel acquisitions this year, I hope on the dirt cheap..get the fleet up to 75 plus over the next two years.

    Nice piece from TSCM today, even though they have it wrong for the most part.


    I hope that plays true Wallstreet . . . I really enjoyed reading all the pieces that keep coming out about DRYS. 

    I loaded the truck on the trip down to the teens and now have averaged down substantially on this stock.  I feel now I am in a good position for the long haul. 


     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 7:28 PM ET #59

    Funny that I get excited about a move up to $25 or so when this was a $55 stock just 3 weeks ago. 



    Thankfully I've used the opportunity to reduce my average cost drastically.  Hopefully in the long run it pays off. 

    Get a nice little dividend at the end of the month which will mean more shares. 

    What do most people here do . . . take the cash or reinvest in the form of company shares?
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    Funny that I get excited about a move up to $25 or so when this was a $55 stock just 3 weeks ago. 



    Thankfully I've used the opportunity to reduce my average cost drastically.  Hopefully in the long run it pays off. 

    Get a nice little dividend at the end of the month which will mean more shares. 

    What do most people here do . . . take the cash or reinvest in the form of company shares?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 8:53 PM ET #60

    VH2,

    It has been BRUTAL, the BDI drop has been worse than a falling knife.

    Hilarious how just 3-4 months ago, those LTCs didnt look so hot relative to the spot market, now they are 2 times BETTER than current spot.


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    VH2,

    It has been BRUTAL, the BDI drop has been worse than a falling knife.

    Hilarious how just 3-4 months ago, those LTCs didnt look so hot relative to the spot market, now they are 2 times BETTER than current spot.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 9:08 PM ET #61

    CC,

    I know you dont like the bank assistance but man this market needed it and I will take the price tag than to let this disease spread to every single sector and segment of the economy.

    It sucks to a degree but it would be worse to have a state go BK or small businesses fail because banks cannot and will not lend, and the vaporization it did to the 401k holders was brutal.
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    CC,

    I know you dont like the bank assistance but man this market needed it and I will take the price tag than to let this disease spread to every single sector and segment of the economy.

    It sucks to a degree but it would be worse to have a state go BK or small businesses fail because banks cannot and will not lend, and the vaporization it did to the 401k holders was brutal.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2008 - 9:27 PM ET #62

    Sold my last SPX call (November 1110) this morning for 25.  Sold four yesterday for 18.30, 19, 21 and 22.  Average cost in those of 7.30.  Very nice two days starting Friday afternoon.
     
    I can't wait to get in again.  After making quick money, sitting on the sideline is always the hardest thing to do!
     
    I want to see the retest SOON!!!!
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    Sold my last SPX call (November 1110) this morning for 25.  Sold four yesterday for 18.30, 19, 21 and 22.  Average cost in those of 7.30.  Very nice two days starting Friday afternoon.
     
    I can't wait to get in again.  After making quick money, sitting on the sideline is always the hardest thing to do!
     
    I want to see the retest SOON!!!!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 12:39 AM ET #63

    WSC-
     
    Had we just let things go when subprime broke last summer of 2007, then it wouldn't have been as bad as the last 2 weeks.  The emergency rate cuts, etc.....all of it was just individual bailout packages.
     
    Now, we have socialism.  You know more about economics than I do, WSC, and in "free market capitalism," failures and crashes are part of the deal and should be accepted, as well as expected.
     
    Wackos or not, looks like the NWO conspiracists are correct.
     
    Crap like "shorting won't be allowed"------sickening.
     
    Freedoms are gone.  Big Brother is always watching----peeps walking around with farking cameras and stuff on cell phones-----little 13 year old kids------do one thing and it's filmed and posted on the internet in minutes.  Just like in 1984.  Ever read it, WSC?
     
    I am outraged, but the anger is more sadness than anything.
     
    And oh btw, old farts like I who revert to bunker mentality and totally withdraw from society------we won't be allowed to just "roam as outcasts."  We'll be rounded up and shot---a la Waco, Texas.
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    WSC-
     
    Had we just let things go when subprime broke last summer of 2007, then it wouldn't have been as bad as the last 2 weeks.  The emergency rate cuts, etc.....all of it was just individual bailout packages.
     
    Now, we have socialism.  You know more about economics than I do, WSC, and in "free market capitalism," failures and crashes are part of the deal and should be accepted, as well as expected.
     
    Wackos or not, looks like the NWO conspiracists are correct.
     
    Crap like "shorting won't be allowed"------sickening.
     
    Freedoms are gone.  Big Brother is always watching----peeps walking around with farking cameras and stuff on cell phones-----little 13 year old kids------do one thing and it's filmed and posted on the internet in minutes.  Just like in 1984.  Ever read it, WSC?
     
    I am outraged, but the anger is more sadness than anything.
     
    And oh btw, old farts like I who revert to bunker mentality and totally withdraw from society------we won't be allowed to just "roam as outcasts."  We'll be rounded up and shot---a la Waco, Texas.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 1:29 AM ET #64

    CC,

    I dont think that is possible because the events of issue werent only subprime. In fact the media has duped the public to believe we are in a mess because Clinton changed the lending rules to give lower income families rights to lending (bullcrap) or that the housing market brought down the economy. Neither is true as we both know, and I dont think they had a CLUE as to the real problem last 2007. I remember I was in a road trip during the collapse and I didnt even know it back then.

    The reality is these financial firms were so quiet and deceptive about their margin and leverage that NOBODY knew except the companies in the middle of it and some deep economist thinkers. Citi was raising cash back then under the guise of their mortgage division, of course that is a farce and it was because they knew that their computer models were breaking down and at 40 to 1 leverage, a moderate teetering of the housing market meant a meltdown of their leveraged investments even though they were and are high quality.

    If you call socialism that the government takes a position in a public company, I am ok with it because at extreme times the government can act to protect the economy and if at the same time they can profit off the risk then I am fine with it. Also, the potential this has to destroy innocent people and those not involved with the industry and problems I have to agree that this intervention and cost does more good than harm and is necessary.

    We got to this point because the FED wanted to extend the economic cycle and because regulators were either paid off or just not watching..either way the government did not do its job in regulating these firms and so we have to pay for it. If we compensated these regulators correctly, staff them correctly and gave them tools and power to regulate, I am sure we wouldnt be here and it would not have happened.

    I read 1984 of course..in high school and there arent enough similarities though there are a few. I have to think our ages are not that far apart but my thinking is that we wont be rounding up people to execute and your bunker will be a place to watch some football when this is all said and done.


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    CC,

    I dont think that is possible because the events of issue werent only subprime. In fact the media has duped the public to believe we are in a mess because Clinton changed the lending rules to give lower income families rights to lending (bullcrap) or that the housing market brought down the economy. Neither is true as we both know, and I dont think they had a CLUE as to the real problem last 2007. I remember I was in a road trip during the collapse and I didnt even know it back then.

    The reality is these financial firms were so quiet and deceptive about their margin and leverage that NOBODY knew except the companies in the middle of it and some deep economist thinkers. Citi was raising cash back then under the guise of their mortgage division, of course that is a farce and it was because they knew that their computer models were breaking down and at 40 to 1 leverage, a moderate teetering of the housing market meant a meltdown of their leveraged investments even though they were and are high quality.

    If you call socialism that the government takes a position in a public company, I am ok with it because at extreme times the government can act to protect the economy and if at the same time they can profit off the risk then I am fine with it. Also, the potential this has to destroy innocent people and those not involved with the industry and problems I have to agree that this intervention and cost does more good than harm and is necessary.

    We got to this point because the FED wanted to extend the economic cycle and because regulators were either paid off or just not watching..either way the government did not do its job in regulating these firms and so we have to pay for it. If we compensated these regulators correctly, staff them correctly and gave them tools and power to regulate, I am sure we wouldnt be here and it would not have happened.

    I read 1984 of course..in high school and there arent enough similarities though there are a few. I have to think our ages are not that far apart but my thinking is that we wont be rounding up people to execute and your bunker will be a place to watch some football when this is all said and done.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 6:14 AM ET #65

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    I wish I had your optimism, but I don't.  I also hope you're right about the government not 100% going for a gestapo fascist regime, but I have my SERIOUS doubts about anything the govenment does is to be good.
     
    Good luck on your trading today.  And yes, the bunker welcomes all types of gambling------but there are no bailout packages given for losing bets.  So "come on down."
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    I wish I had your optimism, but I don't.  I also hope you're right about the government not 100% going for a gestapo fascist regime, but I have my SERIOUS doubts about anything the govenment does is to be good.
     
    Good luck on your trading today.  And yes, the bunker welcomes all types of gambling------but there are no bailout packages given for losing bets.  So "come on down."
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 9:41 AM ET #66

    We got to this point because the FED wanted to extend the economic cycle and because regulators were either paid off or just not watching..either way the government did not do its job in regulating these firms and so we have to pay for it. If we compensated these regulators correctly, staff them correctly and gave them tools and power to regulate, I am sure we wouldnt be here and it would not have happened.

      So....apparently... the idea is that more regulation will......prevent the Fed from doing what it intended to do??? Now that is an interesting but internally contradictory position to hold...
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    We got to this point because the FED wanted to extend the economic cycle and because regulators were either paid off or just not watching..either way the government did not do its job in regulating these firms and so we have to pay for it. If we compensated these regulators correctly, staff them correctly and gave them tools and power to regulate, I am sure we wouldnt be here and it would not have happened.

      So....apparently... the idea is that more regulation will......prevent the Fed from doing what it intended to do??? Now that is an interesting but internally contradictory position to hold...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 11:24 AM ET #67

    Vermeer,

    Once the FED was allowed to stop showing M3 numbers, that gave them the shroud of secrecy that they needed..it stopped showing their actions and nobody questioned it or told them to start reporting again.

    My comment about the regulators isnt wanting MORE regulation, rather to be staffed and compensated correctly to do their jobs..not MORE regulation..just capable regulation.

    Even Adam Smith knew that greed requires regulation and that is why the free market cannot be completely unreliant on some form of government regulation.

    The FED wanting to be secretive makes me wonder if the edict came from outside the organization..  

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    Vermeer,

    Once the FED was allowed to stop showing M3 numbers, that gave them the shroud of secrecy that they needed..it stopped showing their actions and nobody questioned it or told them to start reporting again.

    My comment about the regulators isnt wanting MORE regulation, rather to be staffed and compensated correctly to do their jobs..not MORE regulation..just capable regulation.

    Even Adam Smith knew that greed requires regulation and that is why the free market cannot be completely unreliant on some form of government regulation.

    The FED wanting to be secretive makes me wonder if the edict came from outside the organization..  

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 1:01 PM ET #68

     I see your point Wall and agree. And of course it is in every politicians' interest to understate the effect of their fiscal irresponsibility. They always understate the cost of any proposal, and they always overestimate revenue.
     
     Unfortunately, the prevailing notion which I think will  be acted upon after November will be..more regulation.Not better regulation, like you rightly think required.

      The logic promoted by the media and which has generated the latest show trials of executives is that the only explanation for mistakes is malfeasance. It reassures people to think that if only the "bad guys" were stopped, the mistakes of policy that have been produced by political decision  making would be mitigated and/or overcome. Demonize an exec and the good policies will prevail, or so the lie goes.

     Hence the ultimate absurdity of guys like Dodd, Frank, et al pretending to be outraged when they have been busily creating the problem for the past twenty years.Which goes a long way towards explaining how Congress has a 10% approval rating, and I suspect it is in fact single digits now.

    Why not issue legit M3 numbers? They can't afford to admit what they have been doing...
     
     
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     I see your point Wall and agree. And of course it is in every politicians' interest to understate the effect of their fiscal irresponsibility. They always understate the cost of any proposal, and they always overestimate revenue.
     
     Unfortunately, the prevailing notion which I think will  be acted upon after November will be..more regulation.Not better regulation, like you rightly think required.

      The logic promoted by the media and which has generated the latest show trials of executives is that the only explanation for mistakes is malfeasance. It reassures people to think that if only the "bad guys" were stopped, the mistakes of policy that have been produced by political decision  making would be mitigated and/or overcome. Demonize an exec and the good policies will prevail, or so the lie goes.

     Hence the ultimate absurdity of guys like Dodd, Frank, et al pretending to be outraged when they have been busily creating the problem for the past twenty years.Which goes a long way towards explaining how Congress has a 10% approval rating, and I suspect it is in fact single digits now.

    Why not issue legit M3 numbers? They can't afford to admit what they have been doing...
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 1:26 PM ET #69

    Market retracing pretty quickly, I am starting to get interested in some short term trades here.

    Vermeer, they said it cost too much to produce the M3 numbers which is horsesh!t of course..
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    Market retracing pretty quickly, I am starting to get interested in some short term trades here.

    Vermeer, they said it cost too much to produce the M3 numbers which is horsesh!t of course..
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 1:57 PM ET #70

    Having scratched my way to a place where I can just watch the circus, I am sitting on the sidelines until after the elections (mainly,  do still have some smallt rades, and will leap in to yet another SKF trip as soon as it hits the magic number (and a certain select group of pols/hacks announce the worst is over).

     I see a very, very deep and very prolonged recession in the cards, and the disappointment of B.O. backers will be his greatest danger in the coming years.

     



     
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    Having scratched my way to a place where I can just watch the circus, I am sitting on the sidelines until after the elections (mainly,  do still have some smallt rades, and will leap in to yet another SKF trip as soon as it hits the magic number (and a certain select group of pols/hacks announce the worst is over).

     I see a very, very deep and very prolonged recession in the cards, and the disappointment of B.O. backers will be his greatest danger in the coming years.

     



     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 2:03 PM ET #71


    I would sell into any rally but they hardly last long enough to do so anymore!!
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    I would sell into any rally but they hardly last long enough to do so anymore!!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 2:06 PM ET #72

    So how low do you guys think the dow will go again?
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    So how low do you guys think the dow will go again?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 2:13 PM ET #73

    wallstreet    you think  oil keeps going down?  was buying DIG 
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    wallstreet    you think  oil keeps going down?  was buying DIG 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 2:17 PM ET #74

    I think oil will keep dropping, its the trend and they are making 52 week lows.

    In the longer term our supply ratio hasnt changed, so we should enjoy it as long as we can.

    Hat, you went DOWN on the DOW today right?
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    I think oil will keep dropping, its the trend and they are making 52 week lows.

    In the longer term our supply ratio hasnt changed, so we should enjoy it as long as we can.

    Hat, you went DOWN on the DOW today right?
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 2:22 PM ET #75

    g or do you see a slight rally comming?
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    g or do you see a slight rally comming?
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