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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 11:50 AM ET #301

    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:

    You can reject what you want and pay the consequences as can I.

    My main point before is I have a great life believing and If i am right then it is good for me and if I am wrong nothing, but I have a great life.

    For the selfish God rejecting one who hates life if I am right they GO TO HELL and if they are right we get the same, nothing.

    And I got a great life, no matter I WIN

    i see this "argument" for lack of a better word all of the time.  you do realize there are over a thousand religions and hundreds of gods with different parameters for going to heaven or hell or whatever they use.  if you believe in your god and follow her mandates, you know you go to hell many times over based on many other religions, right?  if the highly intelligent Bin laden is right, do you think you go to heaven?  how many times/day do you bow down to Mecca?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:

    You can reject what you want and pay the consequences as can I.

    My main point before is I have a great life believing and If i am right then it is good for me and if I am wrong nothing, but I have a great life.

    For the selfish God rejecting one who hates life if I am right they GO TO HELL and if they are right we get the same, nothing.

    And I got a great life, no matter I WIN

    i see this "argument" for lack of a better word all of the time.  you do realize there are over a thousand religions and hundreds of gods with different parameters for going to heaven or hell or whatever they use.  if you believe in your god and follow her mandates, you know you go to hell many times over based on many other religions, right?  if the highly intelligent Bin laden is right, do you think you go to heaven?  how many times/day do you bow down to Mecca?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 11:51 AM ET #302

    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:

    You can reject what you want and pay the consequences as can I.

    My main point before is I have a great life believing and If i am right then it is good for me and if I am wrong nothing, but I have a great life.

    For the selfish God rejecting one who hates life if I am right they GO TO HELL and if they are right we get the same, nothing.

    And I got a great life, no matter I WIN

     

    what do you think is gonna happen when i get to hell?

    you think i'll just feel like i'm on fire for all eternity?

    will i have to sit and watch game 6 of the 03' NLCS for all eternity?

    will I have to sit and listen to "richard a " for eternity ?

     

    just curious how to prepare myself for this...................

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:

    You can reject what you want and pay the consequences as can I.

    My main point before is I have a great life believing and If i am right then it is good for me and if I am wrong nothing, but I have a great life.

    For the selfish God rejecting one who hates life if I am right they GO TO HELL and if they are right we get the same, nothing.

    And I got a great life, no matter I WIN

     

    what do you think is gonna happen when i get to hell?

    you think i'll just feel like i'm on fire for all eternity?

    will i have to sit and watch game 6 of the 03' NLCS for all eternity?

    will I have to sit and listen to "richard a " for eternity ?

     

    just curious how to prepare myself for this...................

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 11:58 AM ET #303

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    technically, in the last 50 years, one could argue that the 1984 and 2003 teams were "worthy" of a trip to the world series, or "world championship" as you like to call it, but, we all how that shit ended.....................



    and technically one could argue that Jesus lived, died, rose again and is the only one true way to Heaven, but we all know that you do not want to hear this
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    technically, in the last 50 years, one could argue that the 1984 and 2003 teams were "worthy" of a trip to the world series, or "world championship" as you like to call it, but, we all how that shit ended.....................



    and technically one could argue that Jesus lived, died, rose again and is the only one true way to Heaven, but we all know that you do not want to hear this
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:00 PM ET #304

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    what do you think is gonna happen when i get to hell?

    you think i'll just feel like i'm on fire for all eternity?

    will i have to sit and watch game 6 of the 03' NLCS for all eternity?

    will I have to sit and listen to "richard a " for eternity ?

     

    just curious how to prepare myself for this...................

     



    I do not know, I can only guess for lack of a better expression.  Hell is a place without God, that is all the Bible says clearly to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    what do you think is gonna happen when i get to hell?

    you think i'll just feel like i'm on fire for all eternity?

    will i have to sit and watch game 6 of the 03' NLCS for all eternity?

    will I have to sit and listen to "richard a " for eternity ?

     

    just curious how to prepare myself for this...................

     



    I do not know, I can only guess for lack of a better expression.  Hell is a place without God, that is all the Bible says clearly to me.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:00 PM ET #305

    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:



    and technically one could argue that Jesus lived, died, rose again and is the only one true way to Heaven, but we all know that you do not want to hear this

    except that we can factually, without  doubt,100 % prove what happened with the cubs..............

    now your "j-man" theory on the other hand................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:



    and technically one could argue that Jesus lived, died, rose again and is the only one true way to Heaven, but we all know that you do not want to hear this

    except that we can factually, without  doubt,100 % prove what happened with the cubs..............

    now your "j-man" theory on the other hand................

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:03 PM ET #306

    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:



    I do not know, I can only guess for lack of a better expression.  Hell is a place without God, that is all the Bible says clearly to me.

     

    so when the bible clearly says this............

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

     

    what is your response???

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    I do not know, I can only guess for lack of a better expression.  Hell is a place without God, that is all the Bible says clearly to me.

     

    so when the bible clearly says this............

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

     

    what is your response???

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:04 PM ET #307

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    except that we can factually, without  doubt,100 % prove what happened with the cubs..............

    now your "j-man" theory on the other hand................

     

    anybody else think the "mutombo finger" is a very underrated emoticon ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    except that we can factually, without  doubt,100 % prove what happened with the cubs..............

    now your "j-man" theory on the other hand................

     

    anybody else think the "mutombo finger" is a very underrated emoticon ????

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:06 PM ET #308

    Forty,,,,,

    whadya say me and you meet up this weekend and get our rape on......you know,,,rape and pillage some villages--- j- man style.........you down???

    I mean,,,kinda sux we'll have to marry the bitches after we run the train on them- but i can live with it if you can???

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    Forty,,,,,

    whadya say me and you meet up this weekend and get our rape on......you know,,,rape and pillage some villages--- j- man style.........you down???

    I mean,,,kinda sux we'll have to marry the bitches after we run the train on them- but i can live with it if you can???

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    anybody else think the "mutombo finger" is a very underrated emoticon ????

    it's a good one but i think they need a better one for when someone posts something that makes no sense whatsoever, which seems to happen quite often.  maybe a guy scratching his head with a look on his face conveying the idea that the person is coming across like an idiot. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    anybody else think the "mutombo finger" is a very underrated emoticon ????

    it's a good one but i think they need a better one for when someone posts something that makes no sense whatsoever, which seems to happen quite often.  maybe a guy scratching his head with a look on his face conveying the idea that the person is coming across like an idiot. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:07 PM ET #310

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i see this "argument" for lack of a better word all of the time.  you do realize there are over a thousand religions and hundreds of gods with different parameters for going to heaven or hell or whatever they use.  if you believe in your god and follow her mandates, you know you go to hell many times over based on many other religions, right?  if the highly intelligent Bin laden is right, do you think you go to heaven?  how many times/day do you bow down to Mecca?



    I do realize there are many many many gods and only One True God.  Now you want to change the discussion to what if Islam is correct not Biblical Christianity.

    I would never disrespect a true worshiper of Islam in this way. I would not even discuss my faith with them until we were friends.

    I believe most people who come to believe in Jesus do so over a period of years as a result of a kind loving friend who helps them.

    If the intelligent Bin Laden as you say is right then why does he send others these acts while he hides in the hills.  He is a coward and should not be compared to the many kind, loving members of his religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i see this "argument" for lack of a better word all of the time.  you do realize there are over a thousand religions and hundreds of gods with different parameters for going to heaven or hell or whatever they use.  if you believe in your god and follow her mandates, you know you go to hell many times over based on many other religions, right?  if the highly intelligent Bin laden is right, do you think you go to heaven?  how many times/day do you bow down to Mecca?



    I do realize there are many many many gods and only One True God.  Now you want to change the discussion to what if Islam is correct not Biblical Christianity.

    I would never disrespect a true worshiper of Islam in this way. I would not even discuss my faith with them until we were friends.

    I believe most people who come to believe in Jesus do so over a period of years as a result of a kind loving friend who helps them.

    If the intelligent Bin Laden as you say is right then why does he send others these acts while he hides in the hills.  He is a coward and should not be compared to the many kind, loving members of his religion.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:10 PM ET #311

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    so when the bible clearly says this............

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

     

    what is your response???



    where do you find this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    so when the bible clearly says this............

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

     

    what is your response???



    where do you find this?
     
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     "They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."

     

    actually, fuck it Forty,  why just rape when we can throw some murder in there as well.................

     

    rape and murder party at Forty's this weekend,,,,who's gonna be there............

     

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     "They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."

     

    actually, fuck it Forty,  why just rape when we can throw some murder in there as well.................

     

    rape and murder party at Forty's this weekend,,,,who's gonna be there............

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:14 PM ET #313

    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:



    where do you find this?

     

     

    looks like Caca the Sinnerman has done a little more Bible research than Forty the Holy

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    where do you find this?

     

     

    looks like Caca the Sinnerman has done a little more Bible research than Forty the Holy

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    Forty,,,,,

    whadya say me and you meet up this weekend and get our rape on......you know,,,rape and pillage some villages--- j- man style.........you down???

    I mean,,,kinda sux we'll have to marry the bitches after we run the train on them- but i can live with it if you can???

    don't underestimate how bad a punishment it can be to marry a chick without the possibility of divorce.  remember, jesus said the only legitimate ground for divorce is adultery.  also remember that adultery is a crime punishable by death.  because all christians follow the bible and none of them are hypocrites or bible thumper cherry pickers, none of them get divorced, none of them commit adultery and no one gets stoned (the bad kind). 

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    Forty,,,,,

    whadya say me and you meet up this weekend and get our rape on......you know,,,rape and pillage some villages--- j- man style.........you down???

    I mean,,,kinda sux we'll have to marry the bitches after we run the train on them- but i can live with it if you can???

    don't underestimate how bad a punishment it can be to marry a chick without the possibility of divorce.  remember, jesus said the only legitimate ground for divorce is adultery.  also remember that adultery is a crime punishable by death.  because all christians follow the bible and none of them are hypocrites or bible thumper cherry pickers, none of them get divorced, none of them commit adultery and no one gets stoned (the bad kind). 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:18 PM ET #315

    I believe we find excerpt 1 in "deuteronomy" or whatever the fuck its called...........

    excerpt 2 shall be found in "numbers" .....................

     

    If you're gonna argue this shit, don't you think you should do a little research first little buddy ??

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    I believe we find excerpt 1 in "deuteronomy" or whatever the fuck its called...........

    excerpt 2 shall be found in "numbers" .....................

     

    If you're gonna argue this shit, don't you think you should do a little research first little buddy ??

     
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    I do realize there are many many many gods and only One True God.  Now you want to change the discussion to what if Islam is correct not Biblical Christianity.

    I would never disrespect a true worshiper of Islam in this way. I would not even discuss my faith with them until we were friends.

    I believe most people who come to believe in Jesus do so over a period of years as a result of a kind loving friend who helps them.

    If the intelligent Bin Laden as you say is right then why does he send others these acts while he hides in the hills.  He is a coward and should not be compared to the many kind, loving members of his religion.

    i didn't think i changed the discussion.  you said there is nothing to lose by believeing in what your god tells you.  i reminded you that there are many religions and many gods who also use the carrot and stick business model who will say you go to hell for not follwing their god or gods.  you say yours is the one true God.  maybe She is, but we can probably find a billion or so other people on the planet who say their god is the one true God.  who's right?

    i don't know why the highly intelligent Bin Laden does what he does.  i suspect it's because his god tells him to or he at least gives that impression so he can exert influence over people, as religious figures tend to do.  one thing i know is that when the highly intelligent Bin Laden issues a video saying his god is the one true God and his god says we need to convert to islam and do all that other shit if we want to go to heaven, i can't disprove that.

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    I do realize there are many many many gods and only One True God.  Now you want to change the discussion to what if Islam is correct not Biblical Christianity.

    I would never disrespect a true worshiper of Islam in this way. I would not even discuss my faith with them until we were friends.

    I believe most people who come to believe in Jesus do so over a period of years as a result of a kind loving friend who helps them.

    If the intelligent Bin Laden as you say is right then why does he send others these acts while he hides in the hills.  He is a coward and should not be compared to the many kind, loving members of his religion.

    i didn't think i changed the discussion.  you said there is nothing to lose by believeing in what your god tells you.  i reminded you that there are many religions and many gods who also use the carrot and stick business model who will say you go to hell for not follwing their god or gods.  you say yours is the one true God.  maybe She is, but we can probably find a billion or so other people on the planet who say their god is the one true God.  who's right?

    i don't know why the highly intelligent Bin Laden does what he does.  i suspect it's because his god tells him to or he at least gives that impression so he can exert influence over people, as religious figures tend to do.  one thing i know is that when the highly intelligent Bin Laden issues a video saying his god is the one true God and his god says we need to convert to islam and do all that other shit if we want to go to heaven, i can't disprove that.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:21 PM ET #317

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    I believe we find excerpt 1 in "deuteronomy" or whatever the fuck its called...........

    excerpt 2 shall be found in "numbers" .....................

     

    If you're gonna argue this shit, don't you think you should do a little research first little buddy ??



    I like I figured you talk and quote with out knowledge.  Find the verse that says what you claim or accept the fact you are a HATER who wants to say big words with NO basis.  I will wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    I believe we find excerpt 1 in "deuteronomy" or whatever the fuck its called...........

    excerpt 2 shall be found in "numbers" .....................

     

    If you're gonna argue this shit, don't you think you should do a little research first little buddy ??



    I like I figured you talk and quote with out knowledge.  Find the verse that says what you claim or accept the fact you are a HATER who wants to say big words with NO basis.  I will wait...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:24 PM ET #318

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    don't underestimate how bad a punishment it can be to marry a chick without the possibility of divorce.  remember, jesus said the only legitimate ground for divorce is adultery.  also remember that adultery is a crime punishable by death.  because all christians follow the bible and none of them are hypocrites or bible thumper cherry pickers, none of them get divorced, none of them commit adultery and no one gets stoned (the bad kind). 

     

    It appears some of our christian brethren need to brush up on our bible -- Forty -- maybe start reading a verse or 2 at night before you say your prayers like I do  

     

    "the bad kind"  -------- 

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    don't underestimate how bad a punishment it can be to marry a chick without the possibility of divorce.  remember, jesus said the only legitimate ground for divorce is adultery.  also remember that adultery is a crime punishable by death.  because all christians follow the bible and none of them are hypocrites or bible thumper cherry pickers, none of them get divorced, none of them commit adultery and no one gets stoned (the bad kind). 

     

    It appears some of our christian brethren need to brush up on our bible -- Forty -- maybe start reading a verse or 2 at night before you say your prayers like I do  

     

    "the bad kind"  -------- 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:28 PM ET #319

    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:



    I like I figured you talk and quote with out knowledge.  Find the verse that says what you claim or accept the fact you are a HATER who wants to say big words with NO basis.  I will wait...

     

    you want me to keep educating you on your "bible" or have you had enough yet ??? 

     

     

     "My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want his heart! I want to eat his children! Praise be to Allah"

    3 TIMES IN 1 THREAD --- OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:



    I like I figured you talk and quote with out knowledge.  Find the verse that says what you claim or accept the fact you are a HATER who wants to say big words with NO basis.  I will wait...

     

    you want me to keep educating you on your "bible" or have you had enough yet ??? 

     

     

     "My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want his heart! I want to eat his children! Praise be to Allah"

    3 TIMES IN 1 THREAD --- OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:29 PM ET #320

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    don't underestimate how bad a punishment it can be to marry a chick without the possibility of divorce.  remember, jesus said the only legitimate ground for divorce is adultery.  also remember that adultery is a crime punishable by death.  because all christians follow the bible and none of them are hypocrites or bible thumper cherry pickers, none of them get divorced, none of them commit adultery and no one gets stoned (the bad kind). 


    Another Hater, who reads in part....

    what you have said makes to sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    don't underestimate how bad a punishment it can be to marry a chick without the possibility of divorce.  remember, jesus said the only legitimate ground for divorce is adultery.  also remember that adultery is a crime punishable by death.  because all christians follow the bible and none of them are hypocrites or bible thumper cherry pickers, none of them get divorced, none of them commit adultery and no one gets stoned (the bad kind). 


    Another Hater, who reads in part....

    what you have said makes to sense...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    you want me to keep educating you on your "bible" or have you had enough yet ??? 

     

     

     "My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want his heart! I want to eat his children! Praise be to Allah"

    3 TIMES IN 1 THREAD --- OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

     

     

     

     



    waiting on your quote! 
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    you want me to keep educating you on your "bible" or have you had enough yet ??? 

     

     

     "My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want his heart! I want to eat his children! Praise be to Allah"

    3 TIMES IN 1 THREAD --- OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

     

     

     

     



    waiting on your quote! 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:32 PM ET #322

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    so when the bible clearly says this............

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

     

    what is your response???



    So when the Bible clearly says it it you should be able to clearly tell me where it says it....i will check back in an hour to see if you found it, if not all will know you are a fraud.
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    so when the bible clearly says this............

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

     

    what is your response???



    So when the Bible clearly says it it you should be able to clearly tell me where it says it....i will check back in an hour to see if you found it, if not all will know you are a fraud.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2011 - 12:35 PM ET #323

    uh,,,broheim,,, i'm clearly quoting all of this shit for ya,,,,here's another for good measure,,,,i'll even let you know EXACTLY where to find it,,,,,

     

     "If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife"

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24

     

    now go get your bible and get your education on buddyboy!!!!!!

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    uh,,,broheim,,, i'm clearly quoting all of this shit for ya,,,,here's another for good measure,,,,i'll even let you know EXACTLY where to find it,,,,,

     

     "If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife"

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24

     

    now go get your bible and get your education on buddyboy!!!!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forty7:


    Another Hater, who reads in part....

    what you have said makes to sense...

    how am i a hater?  all i do is ask questions.    sure, i got a little sarcastic there but the sarcasm had a point.  you can figure it out.  besides, if you can't joke around with religion, you might as well just turn in your sense of humor card now, if you ever had one.

    anyway, i think my post makes perfect sense.  some of these people talk about their god this, jesus that, the bible says this, yet people only follow the parts they like and ignore the stuff they don't like.  divorce, adultery stoning adulterers, are just a few examples. 

    religion is a business like any other.  it's like wal-mart. you go in, you pay your money, you take what you want, you ignore what you don't want.  the people running the business get rich, the customers walk away with what they think they came for. 

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    Another Hater, who reads in part....

    what you have said makes to sense...

    how am i a hater?  all i do is ask questions.    sure, i got a little sarcastic there but the sarcasm had a point.  you can figure it out.  besides, if you can't joke around with religion, you might as well just turn in your sense of humor card now, if you ever had one.

    anyway, i think my post makes perfect sense.  some of these people talk about their god this, jesus that, the bible says this, yet people only follow the parts they like and ignore the stuff they don't like.  divorce, adultery stoning adulterers, are just a few examples. 

    religion is a business like any other.  it's like wal-mart. you go in, you pay your money, you take what you want, you ignore what you don't want.  the people running the business get rich, the customers walk away with what they think they came for. 

     
     
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    and here's where to EXACTLY find the other two........

     

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29

    Numbers 31:7-18

     

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    and here's where to EXACTLY find the other two........

     

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29

    Numbers 31:7-18

     

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