The God question-part one

This is going to really piss some people off and I am sorry, I really am. I just cannot get this off my chest anywhere else so you suckers at covers who happened to open this up are now stuck with my twisted warped mind.

I recently received an e-mail from a dear friend who has a very bad form of cancer, suffice it to say it is terminal. They were trying to get a prayer chain going to help this person "defeat this terrible problem". They are quite religious, practice their faith each day and although I am not the judge would look to be heaven type people.

Here is my problem, if you are really are religious and this world ends in heaven where all your fellow followers will meet up, why are we not praying this cancer takes this person out. What could be so important on this planet to cause someone to forsake heaven, which I would have to add is God's will if he is truly omnipotent. Are we not rooting or praying for the wrong side?

I almost typed back-

In view of your strong religious views and puritan life and the almost near certainty of attaining the greatest gift of heaven that this world has to offer, I am abstaining from praying for you.  At this point you seem like a sure thing to go upstairs and meet the big guy and I would hate to see you have more years on this planet to mess this thing up, heck you could even turn into a degenerate gambler like myself.  So I am happy and even overjoyed to root for the cancer and see you leave this terrible world behind. Go Heaven-travel in peace.

So there you go- that is my honest dilemma written as non judging and forthright as I can bring it. I really would like some direction from people who can comment in a nice manner and give good reasons why we should not root for death for believers?  I feel like we should pray for the other side, I really do.

All haters that believe they are "Christians" will be ignored.

Crash

 

Humans and the notion of heaven and hell is extremely arrogant imo.

Religion? Well this is nature and we are a very small piece of the puzzle. Cruel yes but look beyond disease at the bigger picture.

death 

Death is natural and peaceful. Beyond that we are no different than any other living creature.

Well you make a good point in that even the most faithful really aren't 100% certain.  I'll tell you this I believe in the idea of Heaven but my mother is just 56  dying from ALS and I pray for her.  Why because I want her to live a full life and experience all stages of it also I want her to be a part of my life maybe out of selfishness. As her suffering gets worse and there is no cure the idea of her having eternal life in peace without suffering appeals to me. 

I'm not religious either, but those people just want more time to spent with their friend before the person passes on. Its not that they don't want the person to go to heaven as their religion dictates, but that the timing is too soon. There is nothing wrong with wanting and wishing a person a full life before his or her time is up.

The peaceful process of death that is granted to all living things by a higher power beyond our comprehension is heaven within itself. Very much like birth.

I am not religious but I do belive that each and every living soul on this planet has inherited this innate mechanism to survive birth and peacefully move to death....gracefully and without pain at that moment of departure.

I think the idea that everything was created with a big boom is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

If evolution is how humans came to be then why is it monkeys were the only thing that evolved?

Why havent all animals evolved to walking ,talking human like figures?

 

I don't think they should ask for prayers to defeat the cancer (for the reasons you stated )

should be more of a 'pray for us to have strength and peace during this tragic time'

 

Actually it has been shown that many animals have evolved into other animals. Dinosaurs and birds are an example.

The big boom holds data that can far outweigh a common messiah that wandered the earth in a bathrobe. Nuerons traveling at several times faster than the speed of light colliding in perfect form. It has been tested guaged and practiced over and over and over. It is the creation of life.

Magnetic engineering can prove this.

Indeed. This is known as adaptation 'course. As I've said, over 90% of all species to ever inhabit planet earth has gone exstinct. The human species needs to appreciate that figure.

Nature does not discern between good or bad, only the weak. Cruel but the continuation of the cycle of life. Just my opinion.

How did the neurons get there to begin with

You're the one that started a topic on this site about how depressed you were and how bad life was.

My beliefs get me through bad times ,you and your science beliefs keep popping those magic pills and let me know how that works out for ya 

Every truly religious person I know is a happy person ,maybe you're just missing something  I'm sure some scientist or gauge or gaget will tell you what that is ......oh the only thing they come up with is pop another pill

  


Depression is, by far, the disease of the intelligent. 

sorry to hear it -

 

peace  to AlSnow

This is the explanation always given. To me and this is to me --this is wanting.

If heaven is forever and you and yours are going, why worry about this temporary existence?

The fun here is limited compared to HEAVEN C'MON WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN HERE. If you look at it that way, why be selfish about this world and planet? What is the use of a "FULL LIFE"

totally useless, a full life would be one that ended in heaven, period.

Hey Crow-

Love ya bro and respect your capping skills, the true examples of evolution are non existent. It is a scientific theory that would be almost impossible to prove over a life time or a number of generations.

The argument that birds and dinosaurs have a common ancestor is only an argument. You find a fossil that fits that picture but really does that mean there are true descendants from this fossil. No, only the theory of descendents. There are no examples of true evoltion ever occuring just theories and some natural selection not leading to evolution.

When does part 2 start?

I totally agree with this and that started the thread. This to me is a much more aware idea.

when all the name calling and fisticuffs break out, always happens when having a discussion of this magnitude.

 

 

Isn't it funny how passionate people are about things they could never conceivably KNOW only believe?Have faith so to say.

Perfect.  I'll start a thread paging Scalabrine and Cacabeware.  Caca will be home from church any minute

Have u guys noticed that as soon elite athletes win a championship or do something succesful most of the time they praise and thank God immediately.........Just something that i have noticed..........

Fact:  It's been proven that elephants understand the concept of life and death and even mourn the dead and have rituals that go along with it.  I thought that was pretty cool.  A lot of animals are actually learning to use tools too - did you know that one species of hummingbird will actually bend pieces of wire/whatever they can get, into a hook, and will lower it down into this tall narrow flower to retrieve their goodies.  Amazing.







I don't understand religion and how people can have so much faith in something that seems so silly, but hey, that's why I'm not religious.  I don't get it.  If it works for someone, improves their life, and keeps them from getting into mine I totally support it.  But it definitely isn't for me, that's for sure.

At the same time I absolutely believe in something 'greater' I just have no idea what it is and it would be fucking absurd for me to think that I can sit here and come up with ideas to explain it, and think that I would be right.  Let alone committing every day of my life to following it -- especially if it's not even MY idea of God, I'm just following what I was taught since I was a kid.  I'm human -- I simply cannot fathom anything on that level, why should I try?  I will be a good person and make good ethical choices for the sake of myself and the people around me, and just to be a good fucking person because that's what I WANT -- not because I'll be punished if I misbehave.

One thing I always liked about the FreeMasons is that they are all united in their religion -- and that is that they don't share any religion.  Their emblem is a G with a mason's square and compass.  The G represents GOD - meaning whatever that particular person believes to be the higher power, not some fucking dude with a beard in the clouds watching all of our daily lives.

In this world full of absolute chaos, it's a miracle that all of us just here on covers are able to wake up and go through our routines every day safely, over and over and over again.  And here we are still, years upon years upon years through our lives with really very little tragedy compared to how out of our control most things in the world really are.  I attribute that to something, and I don't pray - so I don't attribute it to the guy I talk to before bed.  But I do attribute it to something... I just have no idea what to attribute it to.  And that's fine with me.  I'm thankful for every day I have, optimistic about the future, and content with myself.  All without subscribing to an organized religion.  Funny how here on Earth us sinners who are all going to burn in hell for not having faith get treated the same as everyone else.  That God guy must really be sick to treat us so well in our lives - I guess he's just tricking me into thinking that my beliefs are okay so that he can point out my sins on judgement day and damn me to am eternity of pain an misery.  What an asshole.