Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Where do i start.....
Fact 1.....The universe has an age.....That means it was born from somewhere.......Correct?
Fact 2....Something cannot come from nothing....Perhaps if u can prove this wrong, u would probably be the richest man in humanity and have 95% of the worlds wealth......But u r clearly not.
Fact 3. If something cannot come from nothing but we are here on a physical universe then something did come from nothing????
To me, that leaves me with only alternative, God created the physical universe.......A physical atom or gas or molecule could not come about because no one can create those from nothing.....So something did CREATE IT. It cant be anything physical, cause for a physical creation, something would have to have been crreated before it, but the universe has an age....U decide......
U are contradicting yourself big time.......u sound like a fool
Secondly, the fine tuning of the universe.i have been through this, are we that lucky that everything just so happened to fall into place ( a one in a about twenty billion chance)......Only u must be convinced about that it seems.....
I find a complete parrallell between when something is new some represenattive from the creator takes people around and teaches them about the invention.......example, the A380, reps from airbus take the airline reps through the plane, teach them about the plane and makes a presentation, a new ship, a house, a school etc etc etc......
I believe God did this through jesus......to show how man should live on the earth he created........
That cacabware (do u know what caca means in my language?), anyways......he watches and listens to that "atheist experience" on youtube where he alerted me to that Pascals wager failing..........The argument that middle aged fat bald guy uses is that there is alot to lose by following a religion, time praying , donations etc etc.......yeah, tell that to Josh Hamilton who was a druggy, drunk alco living in the gutter till he found God....he always points his turnaround in life to God.....all the praying, churches. Now he earns what $10 mill a year, a hero and role model to many people around the world and is loving life........Why doesnt that fat bald middle aged turd tell Josh Hamilton that he wasted his time praying and worshipping God......Josh Hamilton is 5 billion times the man that fat balded head guy is.......
People who are lonely, broke, no future, drunk, always high, no love in there life, suicidal are the ones generally dont believe in a higher being........
1. You are struggling with the misconception that everything must have a beginning and an end. You need to accept the fact that something was always here.
2. Luck? You think it's luck that we're here? Over the course of hundreds of billions of years not only is it not just luck that things happened to fall into place the way they did, it is almost a mathematical certainty that they would.
3. There is statistical proof regarding an inverse relationship between belief in God and intelligence. Are statistics absolute fact? No. But in general, if you are dumb enough to actually believe that a higher being that can defy the laws of the universe exists, you're intelligence in other areas of life is lacking. You only give credence to this theory by a. trying to say the big bang couldn't have happened b. assuming that if it wasn't the big bang, it had to be an imaginary being will super powers and c. using blatantly false probabilities to try and prove the unlikelihood of the big bang, when in fact, mathematically, had it never have happened, it would have been an anomaly.
If you flip a coin 10 times, what is the likelihood that you flip 10 heads? Very, very low. If you flip a coin infinite times, what is the probability that at some point in your infinite tosses, you'll find a string of 10 heads in a row? 99.9999999(goes on forever)%. Think of the universe is 10 heads in a row. In a few instances, it's unlikely to have formed the way it did, but over billions and billions of years, it's a near mathematical certainty that things would fall into place as they did.
) knows more about religion than you or I. And I would have to disagree that Hamilton is more the man. 
I guess it's different for you. Actions do speak louder than words.
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