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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 12:44 PM ET #576

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And how much greater is God than any human being..

    Getting the pattern now

    no story, particularly one attached to a business model like christianity and a book as violent and misogymist as the bible, is greater than my parents who i happen to know are real and created me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And how much greater is God than any human being..

    Getting the pattern now

    no story, particularly one attached to a business model like christianity and a book as violent and misogymist as the bible, is greater than my parents who i happen to know are real and created me.

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 1:00 PM ET #577

    Rostos said and I quote: "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOMETHING CAME FROM NOTHING." He said this LOL.

    Wait a minute, he believes god came from nothing...right? Oh, that's right. It's more plausible that an entirely different realm exists where god materialized out of nothing, created one little piece of matter that sparked the formation of this universe, and was never heard from again than something (that one singularity) always existed in this world and time and space are infinite? How can you honestly believe this?

    And conditions so perfect for life? Have you seen the universe? First of all, we, as humans, can only see a small portion of the entire universe, but we can see and study thousands of galaxies. NONE OF THEM ARE HABITABLE. AND THERE ARE TRILLIONS OF MORE PLANETS. Besides the fact that the probability of life or at least a habitable planet out there is almost 100%, the odds of ONE PLANET not having hospitable conditions for life among the trillions upon trillions of planetary formations is so small and improbable that I can't even put a number on it because it would involve a list are far too many 0s before a 1 and a % sign.
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    Rostos said and I quote: "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOMETHING CAME FROM NOTHING." He said this LOL.

    Wait a minute, he believes god came from nothing...right? Oh, that's right. It's more plausible that an entirely different realm exists where god materialized out of nothing, created one little piece of matter that sparked the formation of this universe, and was never heard from again than something (that one singularity) always existed in this world and time and space are infinite? How can you honestly believe this?

    And conditions so perfect for life? Have you seen the universe? First of all, we, as humans, can only see a small portion of the entire universe, but we can see and study thousands of galaxies. NONE OF THEM ARE HABITABLE. AND THERE ARE TRILLIONS OF MORE PLANETS. Besides the fact that the probability of life or at least a habitable planet out there is almost 100%, the odds of ONE PLANET not having hospitable conditions for life among the trillions upon trillions of planetary formations is so small and improbable that I can't even put a number on it because it would involve a list are far too many 0s before a 1 and a % sign.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 1:05 PM ET #578

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Rostos said and I quote: "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOMETHING CAME FROM NOTHING." He said this LOL.

    Wait a minute, he believes god came from nothing...right? Oh, that's right. It's more plausible that an entirely different realm exists where god materialized out of nothing, created one little piece of matter that sparked the formation of this universe, and was never heard from again than something (that one singularity) always existed in this world and time and space are infinite? How can you honestly believe this?

    And conditions so perfect for life? Have you seen the universe? First of all, we, as humans, can only see a small portion of the entire universe, but we can see and study thousands of galaxies. NONE OF THEM ARE HABITABLE. AND THERE ARE TRILLIONS OF MORE PLANETS. Besides the fact that the probability of life or at least a habitable planet out there is almost 100%, the odds of ONE PLANET not having hospitable conditions for life among the trillions upon trillions of planetary formations is so small and improbable that I can't even put a number on it because it would involve a list are far too many 0s before a 1 and a % sign.

    He doesnt understand this.  He clearly doesnt have a grasp of probability.

    Look at his thread in the NBA forum about how the game was fixed for the over last night.  He doesnt understand variance.  He doesnt understand that out of thousands of trials, even longshots come in, and strange patterns exist.

    He is someone that obviously needs to assign explanation to these patterns - because saying "I dont know" is not in his vocabulary.  He makes up answers to soothe himself - the game is fixed - god is the answer etc - because he simply doesnt understand how there can be a lot of fouls in the beginning of a game - not understanding that simply some games will have a lot of fouls simply by variance.

    It is clear as clear can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Rostos said and I quote: "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOMETHING CAME FROM NOTHING." He said this LOL.

    Wait a minute, he believes god came from nothing...right? Oh, that's right. It's more plausible that an entirely different realm exists where god materialized out of nothing, created one little piece of matter that sparked the formation of this universe, and was never heard from again than something (that one singularity) always existed in this world and time and space are infinite? How can you honestly believe this?

    And conditions so perfect for life? Have you seen the universe? First of all, we, as humans, can only see a small portion of the entire universe, but we can see and study thousands of galaxies. NONE OF THEM ARE HABITABLE. AND THERE ARE TRILLIONS OF MORE PLANETS. Besides the fact that the probability of life or at least a habitable planet out there is almost 100%, the odds of ONE PLANET not having hospitable conditions for life among the trillions upon trillions of planetary formations is so small and improbable that I can't even put a number on it because it would involve a list are far too many 0s before a 1 and a % sign.

    He doesnt understand this.  He clearly doesnt have a grasp of probability.

    Look at his thread in the NBA forum about how the game was fixed for the over last night.  He doesnt understand variance.  He doesnt understand that out of thousands of trials, even longshots come in, and strange patterns exist.

    He is someone that obviously needs to assign explanation to these patterns - because saying "I dont know" is not in his vocabulary.  He makes up answers to soothe himself - the game is fixed - god is the answer etc - because he simply doesnt understand how there can be a lot of fouls in the beginning of a game - not understanding that simply some games will have a lot of fouls simply by variance.

    It is clear as clear can be.

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 2:54 PM ET #579

    I too advise all to check out rosty-boy's "over fix thread" from last night, if will end any speculation that this dude has any type of grasp on reality..............  

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    I too advise all to check out rosty-boy's "over fix thread" from last night, if will end any speculation that this dude has any type of grasp on reality..............  

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 3:08 PM ET #580

    At least he doesn't think the Earth is 6,000 years old lol
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    At least he doesn't think the Earth is 6,000 years old lol
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 3:33 PM ET #581

    The Book of 1 Samuel

    Author uncertain; some have suggested Samuel and the prophets Nathan and Gad, date written uncertain, perhaps around 1000 B.C.

    The choices people make say a lot about their character. The book of 1 Samuel is full of choices---some good and some bad. The first significant choise in 1 Samuel is made by Hannah, a woman who was unable to have children. She chose to cry out to God for a child. God heard her prayer and granted her request. Grateful to God for his goodness, Hannah dedicated her child, Samuel, to the Lord from the time he was born. So Samuel grew up among the priests at the Tabernacle, and eventually he himself became the leading priest. Near the end of Samuel's life, the Israelites rejected Samuel's sons as judges over Israel and asked him to appoint a king over them. Samuel warned the Israelites that a king would oppress them, but they chose to have one anyway. Thus began the history of Israel's kings. Samuel anointed a tall, handsome man named Saul to be Israel's first king. At first Saul appeared to make good decisions. But soon he began to make some very bad choices, and God brought an end to his reign. David, a shepherd from Bethlehem, was chosen to take Saul's place. Saul made several attempts on David's life; but by the end of the book, Saul and his son are dead, and David is in line to bacome the next king.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


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    The Book of 1 Samuel

    Author uncertain; some have suggested Samuel and the prophets Nathan and Gad, date written uncertain, perhaps around 1000 B.C.

    The choices people make say a lot about their character. The book of 1 Samuel is full of choices---some good and some bad. The first significant choise in 1 Samuel is made by Hannah, a woman who was unable to have children. She chose to cry out to God for a child. God heard her prayer and granted her request. Grateful to God for his goodness, Hannah dedicated her child, Samuel, to the Lord from the time he was born. So Samuel grew up among the priests at the Tabernacle, and eventually he himself became the leading priest. Near the end of Samuel's life, the Israelites rejected Samuel's sons as judges over Israel and asked him to appoint a king over them. Samuel warned the Israelites that a king would oppress them, but they chose to have one anyway. Thus began the history of Israel's kings. Samuel anointed a tall, handsome man named Saul to be Israel's first king. At first Saul appeared to make good decisions. But soon he began to make some very bad choices, and God brought an end to his reign. David, a shepherd from Bethlehem, was chosen to take Saul's place. Saul made several attempts on David's life; but by the end of the book, Saul and his son are dead, and David is in line to bacome the next king.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 3:36 PM ET #582

    Correction: and David is in line to become the next king.

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    Correction: and David is in line to become the next king.

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 3:50 PM ET #583

    What the hell does that story mean lol
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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 6:10 PM ET #584

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I will go back to a quote from a friend of mine (born again gal).  She was anti-premaritical sex.....but just ths same, her and her boyfriend were having sex while not married.  And she got pregnant. 

    She looked me straight in the eye and said, "we think it's a gift from God." 

    More like a gift from her egg and his sperm. 

    Like Van said, what in the heck does an omnicient, all powerful God gain from worship by us? 

    So He says to the murderer, "because you believe in me for the last month of your life and you were truly sorry for killing that baby........and for that single reason, I give you everlasting life." 

    But he says to the skeptic who lives a good life giving to others....raising solid citizens, "you are condemned for the single reason you didn't believe in me even though you raised a good family....and donated your time and money to charities.....and was a pillar in your community."

    Please tell me how this makes sense. 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I will go back to a quote from a friend of mine (born again gal).  She was anti-premaritical sex.....but just ths same, her and her boyfriend were having sex while not married.  And she got pregnant. 

    She looked me straight in the eye and said, "we think it's a gift from God." 

    More like a gift from her egg and his sperm. 

    Like Van said, what in the heck does an omnicient, all powerful God gain from worship by us? 

    So He says to the murderer, "because you believe in me for the last month of your life and you were truly sorry for killing that baby........and for that single reason, I give you everlasting life." 

    But he says to the skeptic who lives a good life giving to others....raising solid citizens, "you are condemned for the single reason you didn't believe in me even though you raised a good family....and donated your time and money to charities.....and was a pillar in your community."

    Please tell me how this makes sense. 

     

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    Posted: May. 19, 2011 - 6:16 PM ET #585

    Who does the church have so many molestors?  Is it true that molesters became priests rather than priests turned into molestors? 

    And why did the preacher have to lie about being a Navy Seal?

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    Who does the church have so many molestors?  Is it true that molesters became priests rather than priests turned into molestors? 

    And why did the preacher have to lie about being a Navy Seal?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Book of 1 Samuel

    Author uncertain; some have suggested Samuel and the prophets Nathan and Gad, date written uncertain, perhaps around 1000 B.C.

    The choices people make say a lot about their character. The book of 1 Samuel is full of choices---some good and some bad. The first significant choise in 1 Samuel is made by Hannah, a woman who was unable to have children. She chose to cry out to God for a child. God heard her prayer and granted her request. Grateful to God for his goodness, Hannah dedicated her child, Samuel, to the Lord from the time he was born. So Samuel grew up among the priests at the Tabernacle, and eventually he himself became the leading priest. Near the end of Samuel's life, the Israelites rejected Samuel's sons as judges over Israel and asked him to appoint a king over them. Samuel warned the Israelites that a king would oppress them, but they chose to have one anyway. Thus began the history of Israel's kings. Samuel anointed a tall, handsome man named Saul to be Israel's first king. At first Saul appeared to make good decisions. But soon he began to make some very bad choices, and God brought an end to his reign. David, a shepherd from Bethlehem, was chosen to take Saul's place. Saul made several attempts on David's life; but by the end of the book, Saul and his son are dead, and David is in line to bacome the next king.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


     

    The choices people make say a lot about their character. The movie Shrek is full of choices---some good and some bad. The first significant choise in Shrek is made by Donkey, an animal unable to keep a friend. He chose to cry out to Shrek for companionship. Shrek heard his plea and granted his request. Grateful to Shrek for his goodness, Donkey dedicated his future, to Shrek from that time forward. So Shrek and Donkey grew up among the forest together, and eventually they became the leading ogre and donkey in the forest. Near the end of Shreks life, the Fiona rejected Puss n Boots claim as judges over Shrek and Donkey and asked him to appoint a king over them. Fiona warned the Kingdom that a king would oppress them, but they chose to have one anyway. Thus began the history of Puss n Boots as king. Fiona anointed a tall, handsome man named Lord Farquad to be the Kingdoms first king. At first Lord Farqua appeared to make good decisions. But soon he began to make some very bad choices, and Shrek brought an end to his reign. Dragon, a flying beast from the forest, was chosen to take Lord Farquas place. Shrek made several attempts on Dragons life; but by the end of the book, Dragon and his son are dead, and Shrek is in line to bacome the next king.

    Praise Shrek and Shrek 2!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Book of 1 Samuel

    Author uncertain; some have suggested Samuel and the prophets Nathan and Gad, date written uncertain, perhaps around 1000 B.C.

    The choices people make say a lot about their character. The book of 1 Samuel is full of choices---some good and some bad. The first significant choise in 1 Samuel is made by Hannah, a woman who was unable to have children. She chose to cry out to God for a child. God heard her prayer and granted her request. Grateful to God for his goodness, Hannah dedicated her child, Samuel, to the Lord from the time he was born. So Samuel grew up among the priests at the Tabernacle, and eventually he himself became the leading priest. Near the end of Samuel's life, the Israelites rejected Samuel's sons as judges over Israel and asked him to appoint a king over them. Samuel warned the Israelites that a king would oppress them, but they chose to have one anyway. Thus began the history of Israel's kings. Samuel anointed a tall, handsome man named Saul to be Israel's first king. At first Saul appeared to make good decisions. But soon he began to make some very bad choices, and God brought an end to his reign. David, a shepherd from Bethlehem, was chosen to take Saul's place. Saul made several attempts on David's life; but by the end of the book, Saul and his son are dead, and David is in line to bacome the next king.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


     

    The choices people make say a lot about their character. The movie Shrek is full of choices---some good and some bad. The first significant choise in Shrek is made by Donkey, an animal unable to keep a friend. He chose to cry out to Shrek for companionship. Shrek heard his plea and granted his request. Grateful to Shrek for his goodness, Donkey dedicated his future, to Shrek from that time forward. So Shrek and Donkey grew up among the forest together, and eventually they became the leading ogre and donkey in the forest. Near the end of Shreks life, the Fiona rejected Puss n Boots claim as judges over Shrek and Donkey and asked him to appoint a king over them. Fiona warned the Kingdom that a king would oppress them, but they chose to have one anyway. Thus began the history of Puss n Boots as king. Fiona anointed a tall, handsome man named Lord Farquad to be the Kingdoms first king. At first Lord Farqua appeared to make good decisions. But soon he began to make some very bad choices, and Shrek brought an end to his reign. Dragon, a flying beast from the forest, was chosen to take Lord Farquas place. Shrek made several attempts on Dragons life; but by the end of the book, Dragon and his son are dead, and Shrek is in line to bacome the next king.

    Praise Shrek and Shrek 2!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I am not a father, but I have 4 siblings who are parents.  Not one of them wants their children to worship them.  They want them to respect them.  Comparing a relationship with God to a relationship with a kid and a parent? 

    Well I must honestly say it's pretty sad your 4 siblings don't want their children to worship them but only to respect them.

    One of the several definitions of worship is: extreme devotion or intense love or admiration of any kind, to adore, honor.

    Remember the 5th Commandment:  Honor thy father and thy mother. ---Exodus 20:12

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

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    I am not a father, but I have 4 siblings who are parents.  Not one of them wants their children to worship them.  They want them to respect them.  Comparing a relationship with God to a relationship with a kid and a parent? 

    Well I must honestly say it's pretty sad your 4 siblings don't want their children to worship them but only to respect them.

    One of the several definitions of worship is: extreme devotion or intense love or admiration of any kind, to adore, honor.

    Remember the 5th Commandment:  Honor thy father and thy mother. ---Exodus 20:12

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     
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    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 2 of 23. Question of Survival

    We are now in a head-on confrontation with this frightening fact: any one of several heads of nations could plunge this world into the nuclear World War III that could erase all human life from the earth!

    Has man progressed to the point where he is about to destroy himself? Is that the end of the evolutionary line? Is that the manner in which science and technology are about to administer the death-blow to all the world's religions? Is it possible there may exist a source able to shed heretofore unrecognized light on this life-and-death question?

    Is it even possible there exists new evidence, vital to humanity's survival and the peace of the world, within the biblical revelation, heretofore unrecognized by Judaism and traditional Christianity? If so, with the imminent possibility of the obliteration of humanity, and time running out, there is no time to be lost in searching it out.

    In this crisis hour of human existence, no apology is offered for turning the spotlight on the truly startling revelation that has been rejected by science and higher education, and those vital truths overlooked by religion.

    The book called the Holy Bible itself lays clain to being the revelation of basic, necessary knowledge---the instructiion manual which man's Maker sent along with the crowning product of his making---mankind!

    Could this least-understood of all books reveal purpose behind the presence of mankind on the earth? Does it explain why man is as he is---at once so creative and yet so destructive? Does it explain why man is so utterly helpless before his own problems, yet with such awesome intellectual and productive powers? Does it offer solutions? Does it give us hope?

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    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 2 of 23. Question of Survival

    We are now in a head-on confrontation with this frightening fact: any one of several heads of nations could plunge this world into the nuclear World War III that could erase all human life from the earth!

    Has man progressed to the point where he is about to destroy himself? Is that the end of the evolutionary line? Is that the manner in which science and technology are about to administer the death-blow to all the world's religions? Is it possible there may exist a source able to shed heretofore unrecognized light on this life-and-death question?

    Is it even possible there exists new evidence, vital to humanity's survival and the peace of the world, within the biblical revelation, heretofore unrecognized by Judaism and traditional Christianity? If so, with the imminent possibility of the obliteration of humanity, and time running out, there is no time to be lost in searching it out.

    In this crisis hour of human existence, no apology is offered for turning the spotlight on the truly startling revelation that has been rejected by science and higher education, and those vital truths overlooked by religion.

    The book called the Holy Bible itself lays clain to being the revelation of basic, necessary knowledge---the instructiion manual which man's Maker sent along with the crowning product of his making---mankind!

    Could this least-understood of all books reveal purpose behind the presence of mankind on the earth? Does it explain why man is as he is---at once so creative and yet so destructive? Does it explain why man is so utterly helpless before his own problems, yet with such awesome intellectual and productive powers? Does it offer solutions? Does it give us hope?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And how much greater is God than any human being..

    Getting the pattern now


    I get the pattern...avoid the question

    Again, WHY  WOULD  HE  CARE  IF  WE  WORSHIP  HIM
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    And how much greater is God than any human being..

    Getting the pattern now


    I get the pattern...avoid the question

    Again, WHY  WOULD  HE  CARE  IF  WE  WORSHIP  HIM
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

    I too advise all to check out rosty-boy's "over fix thread" from last night, if will end any speculation that this dude has any type of grasp on reality..............  


    He probably believes in jinxes too
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    I too advise all to check out rosty-boy's "over fix thread" from last night, if will end any speculation that this dude has any type of grasp on reality..............  


    He probably believes in jinxes too
     
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    Correction: The book called the Holy Bible itself lays claim to being the revelation of basic, necessary knowledge

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    Correction: The book called the Holy Bible itself lays claim to being the revelation of basic, necessary knowledge

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    He probably believes in jinxes too

     

    i think rosty has retired to his turtle shell for the evening............ 

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    He probably believes in jinxes too

     

    i think rosty has retired to his turtle shell for the evening............ 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    How do you even pretend to know how great He is?  Because someone told you?

    No, from personal experience.

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    How do you even pretend to know how great He is?  Because someone told you?

    No, from personal experience.

     
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    FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HE SAYS. Well, unless Rostos has seen god or actually heard god's voice, he is flat out, 100% LYING.

    THOU SHALT NOT LIE.

    YOUR GOD SAID THIS. He wouldn't approve of what you're doing Rostos.

    And SirJohnDrake is so far gone at this point, I wouldn't even know where to begin. "One of the many definitions of worship" he says, contradicting himself because if worship has many definitions, why should we all pick the one you conveniently chose for yourself. Come on, you're better than that. Oh wait, you believe in god lololololol.
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    FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HE SAYS. Well, unless Rostos has seen god or actually heard god's voice, he is flat out, 100% LYING.

    THOU SHALT NOT LIE.

    YOUR GOD SAID THIS. He wouldn't approve of what you're doing Rostos.

    And SirJohnDrake is so far gone at this point, I wouldn't even know where to begin. "One of the many definitions of worship" he says, contradicting himself because if worship has many definitions, why should we all pick the one you conveniently chose for yourself. Come on, you're better than that. Oh wait, you believe in god lololololol.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Rostos said and I quote: "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOMETHING CAME FROM NOTHING." He said this LOL.

    Wait a minute, he believes god came from nothing...right? Oh, that's right. It's more plausible that an entirely different realm exists where god materialized out of nothing, created one little piece of matter that sparked the formation of this universe, and was never heard from again than something (that one singularity) always existed in this world and time and space are infinite? How can you honestly believe this?

    And conditions so perfect for life? Have you seen the universe? First of all, we, as humans, can only see a small portion of the entire universe, but we can see and study thousands of galaxies. NONE OF THEM ARE HABITABLE. AND THERE ARE TRILLIONS OF MORE PLANETS. Besides the fact that the probability of life or at least a habitable planet out there is almost 100%, the odds of ONE PLANET not having hospitable conditions for life among the trillions upon trillions of planetary formations is so small and improbable that I can't even put a number on it because it would involve a list are far too many 0s before a 1 and a % sign.

    Do i have to go through this a million times?

    In this physical realm that we live in (the realm where the atheist thinks it is the only realm and no other realms exist), SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. Can it? Just answer it, yes or no? Do you realise how ridicolous you sound by thinking something can come from nothing?

    God's realm is in the supernatural realm. Do we know what the properties of the supernatural realm are? Do we or not?

    Are you trying to apply the same standards, laws of physics, energy and matter of one realm to another? How can you apply the rules and standards of our realm where time is finite to another where it is eternal?
    Give it up.

    What we do know is the properties of our own realm and you honestly think in this realm something can come from nothing?

    You have ZERO evidence of life in the galaxy,..You are speculating You here my friend are believing something where you have no evidence. You what that means.....

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    Rostos said and I quote: "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOMETHING CAME FROM NOTHING." He said this LOL.

    Wait a minute, he believes god came from nothing...right? Oh, that's right. It's more plausible that an entirely different realm exists where god materialized out of nothing, created one little piece of matter that sparked the formation of this universe, and was never heard from again than something (that one singularity) always existed in this world and time and space are infinite? How can you honestly believe this?

    And conditions so perfect for life? Have you seen the universe? First of all, we, as humans, can only see a small portion of the entire universe, but we can see and study thousands of galaxies. NONE OF THEM ARE HABITABLE. AND THERE ARE TRILLIONS OF MORE PLANETS. Besides the fact that the probability of life or at least a habitable planet out there is almost 100%, the odds of ONE PLANET not having hospitable conditions for life among the trillions upon trillions of planetary formations is so small and improbable that I can't even put a number on it because it would involve a list are far too many 0s before a 1 and a % sign.

    Do i have to go through this a million times?

    In this physical realm that we live in (the realm where the atheist thinks it is the only realm and no other realms exist), SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. Can it? Just answer it, yes or no? Do you realise how ridicolous you sound by thinking something can come from nothing?

    God's realm is in the supernatural realm. Do we know what the properties of the supernatural realm are? Do we or not?

    Are you trying to apply the same standards, laws of physics, energy and matter of one realm to another? How can you apply the rules and standards of our realm where time is finite to another where it is eternal?
    Give it up.

    What we do know is the properties of our own realm and you honestly think in this realm something can come from nothing?

    You have ZERO evidence of life in the galaxy,..You are speculating You here my friend are believing something where you have no evidence. You what that means.....

     
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    YOU ARE CLAIMING ANOTHER REALM EXISTS. You have less evidence than I do. How can you even begin to make a claim like that? I don't care about the properties of a supernatural realm. Read it: SUPERNATURAL (translation: not real). I know things in the NATURAL realm and I have no reason to think any other world exists. Applying rules to other worlds is a nonissue because you have NO BASIS for that world existing.

    "In this physical realm that we live in (the realm where the atheist thinks it is the only realm and no other realms exist), SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. Can it? Just answer it, yes or no? Do you realise how ridicolous you sound by thinking something can come from nothing?"

    Right, because no rational human being should believe any other realms exist. What is this? Mortal Kombat?

    Something cannot come from nothing... RIGHT, you are correct sir.

    You think god came from nothing.

    You are a hypocrite.
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    YOU ARE CLAIMING ANOTHER REALM EXISTS. You have less evidence than I do. How can you even begin to make a claim like that? I don't care about the properties of a supernatural realm. Read it: SUPERNATURAL (translation: not real). I know things in the NATURAL realm and I have no reason to think any other world exists. Applying rules to other worlds is a nonissue because you have NO BASIS for that world existing.

    "In this physical realm that we live in (the realm where the atheist thinks it is the only realm and no other realms exist), SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. Can it? Just answer it, yes or no? Do you realise how ridicolous you sound by thinking something can come from nothing?"

    Right, because no rational human being should believe any other realms exist. What is this? Mortal Kombat?

    Something cannot come from nothing... RIGHT, you are correct sir.

    You think god came from nothing.

    You are a hypocrite.
     
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    women worshipping a misogynist god  is baffling, when i see a woman wearing a cross like Maria Shriver, I wonder if she has ever read the bible? Obviously Maria is not playing with a full deck.

    Genesis 3:16 Says that all women must suffer great pains during child birth due to Eve eating the fruit of knowledge.  (As if it is somehow just that humans should pay for their ancestor’s sins nor is a woman dying in labor some how befitting of a crime she did not commit.) The verse finishes of by saying a husband shall “rule” over his woman, stripping us off all power in between the sexes.

    Genesis 19:8 Tells of a man named Lot who offers his daughters to a crowd of would be angel rapers.  Later, Lot impregnates his own daughters after God kills his wife for simply looking back at the remains of her city.

    Genesis 38:16-24 Tells a very interesting story of a man named Judah whom lived with his widowed daughter in law.  His daughter in law was grieving and wearing the veils of mourning which Judah (a rather stupid man) mistook for the clothing of a prostitute. He ended up impregnating his daughter in law and she left the city.  On a later date Judah sees the young woman again and demanded she be burned for being a prostitute (I like how only the woman is punished when THEY BOTH engaged in the sexual act).  It wasn’t until Judah recognized the woman as his daughter in law and she was with his child, that he decided not to kill her.  Basically, Judah can commit incest, use a prostitute (in his mistaken perception), and impregnate a MUCH younger woman, yet he thinks she is the one deserving of death.

    Exodus 21:3-4 Says that if a male slave is given a wife by his master (regardless of how long they are wed, how much they love each other or if they have kids) he can not leave servanthood with his wife or children. The woman and children are merely property of the master and their personal happiness or sanctity of family doesn’t matter.

    Exodus 21:7 God not only sanctions selling ones daughter into slavery, but he also gives out laws on how it should be done.

    Exodus 21:10 God ordains men taking several wives and even sets up laws as to how multiple wives should be handled.

    Leviticus 12:1-8 Explains that a woman has to be purified after giving birth because she is “unclean”.  It goes on to say that birthing a male is cleaner then birthing a female, hence a mother must purify TWICE as long when having a daughter.  This is BLATANT sexism from the point of birth.  A woman is dirty simply for being a woman; this is obviously very biased and chauvinistic.

    Leviticus 15:19-30 Explains that a woman having her menstruation must be avoided to the point of not even touching what she has touched.  It is quite curious that women are punished for simply having a biological function that “God” claims to have created.  What is so just about vilifying what you created?

    Leviticus 18:19 Goes onto say that even LOOKING at a menstruating woman is wrong.

    Leviticus 19:20 Says that if a man has sex with a slave or betrothed woman he must then “scourge” her.  Scourging is a term for a severe flogging or whipping.  I find it quite curious that the woman shall be punished to the point of a beating for such an occurrence, yet the man gets to go free for the deed.

    Leviticus 21:9 Explains that unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death.  What about his unchaste sons?  Of course this isn’t even answered in the Torah, we are to assume yet again that men have the power to do as they wish and a woman must suffer the punishment for BOTH of them.

    Leviticus 27:3-7 God places a dollar value on human life; with women worth less than men.

    Numbers 1:2 Is the basis for the sexism that remains rampant today.  In this verse Moses takes a poll of all the men who are able to fight in war, women aren’t even counted in the census.  Apparently back then, just like today, us women are considered the weaker species and unable to battle.  (Let’s not forget that during the time the Pentateuch was written women in Pagan cultures were FEARED and revered as the more powerful species.  It is because of this patriarchal religion and it’s offshoots that we have been reduced to cowering sub-humans.)

    Numbers 30:3-16  A woman can’t make a vow unless her husband allows it.

    Numbers 31: 14-18  Moses tells his men to kill all the males, non-virginal women, elderly and children of the Midianite tribe. Of course, the virgin women are kept for raping. If you read later down in the scripture God states that the person can not even marry a Midianite woman (with exception to Moses). Hence these women who were captured were repeatedly raped and impregnated and they weren’t even allowed a marital status in which to protect them.

    Deuteronomy 20:13-15  Kill all the men and boys in the cities that God “delivers into your hands,” but keep the women for raping.

    Deuteronomy 21:11-14  If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and “go in unto her.”

    Deuteronomy 22:5 Women that wear men’s clothing are an “abomination unto the Lord.”

    Deuteronomy 22:13-22 Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity.  Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. This does not apply to men though, of course.  What is interesting to note here is the actual wording, it says : “that if a man hateth his wife he may say she did not have the tokens of her virginity”.  Since there is no way a woman can truly prove she had a hymen upon marriage the word rests on the husband and she can be disposed of simply when he tires of her.

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24 is one of the most cruel and sexist passages of the Torah. It says that women who are raped and fail to “cry out loud” in a populated area are most likely enjoying the attack should be killed.

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29 A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels.  Is this supposed to be some type of retribution?  What about the victim here, what if she doesn’t want to marry a pig who raped her?  All that matters is her father receives payment for his “property”.

    Deuteronomy 25:11-12 Says that we must cut off a woman’s hand if she touches the “secrets” of a man who is fighting with her husband…“And thine eye shall not pity her.”  Once again, there is no punishment for the man she touched, only the woman.

     

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    women worshipping a misogynist god  is baffling, when i see a woman wearing a cross like Maria Shriver, I wonder if she has ever read the bible? Obviously Maria is not playing with a full deck.

    Genesis 3:16 Says that all women must suffer great pains during child birth due to Eve eating the fruit of knowledge.  (As if it is somehow just that humans should pay for their ancestor’s sins nor is a woman dying in labor some how befitting of a crime she did not commit.) The verse finishes of by saying a husband shall “rule” over his woman, stripping us off all power in between the sexes.

    Genesis 19:8 Tells of a man named Lot who offers his daughters to a crowd of would be angel rapers.  Later, Lot impregnates his own daughters after God kills his wife for simply looking back at the remains of her city.

    Genesis 38:16-24 Tells a very interesting story of a man named Judah whom lived with his widowed daughter in law.  His daughter in law was grieving and wearing the veils of mourning which Judah (a rather stupid man) mistook for the clothing of a prostitute. He ended up impregnating his daughter in law and she left the city.  On a later date Judah sees the young woman again and demanded she be burned for being a prostitute (I like how only the woman is punished when THEY BOTH engaged in the sexual act).  It wasn’t until Judah recognized the woman as his daughter in law and she was with his child, that he decided not to kill her.  Basically, Judah can commit incest, use a prostitute (in his mistaken perception), and impregnate a MUCH younger woman, yet he thinks she is the one deserving of death.

    Exodus 21:3-4 Says that if a male slave is given a wife by his master (regardless of how long they are wed, how much they love each other or if they have kids) he can not leave servanthood with his wife or children. The woman and children are merely property of the master and their personal happiness or sanctity of family doesn’t matter.

    Exodus 21:7 God not only sanctions selling ones daughter into slavery, but he also gives out laws on how it should be done.

    Exodus 21:10 God ordains men taking several wives and even sets up laws as to how multiple wives should be handled.

    Leviticus 12:1-8 Explains that a woman has to be purified after giving birth because she is “unclean”.  It goes on to say that birthing a male is cleaner then birthing a female, hence a mother must purify TWICE as long when having a daughter.  This is BLATANT sexism from the point of birth.  A woman is dirty simply for being a woman; this is obviously very biased and chauvinistic.

    Leviticus 15:19-30 Explains that a woman having her menstruation must be avoided to the point of not even touching what she has touched.  It is quite curious that women are punished for simply having a biological function that “God” claims to have created.  What is so just about vilifying what you created?

    Leviticus 18:19 Goes onto say that even LOOKING at a menstruating woman is wrong.

    Leviticus 19:20 Says that if a man has sex with a slave or betrothed woman he must then “scourge” her.  Scourging is a term for a severe flogging or whipping.  I find it quite curious that the woman shall be punished to the point of a beating for such an occurrence, yet the man gets to go free for the deed.

    Leviticus 21:9 Explains that unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death.  What about his unchaste sons?  Of course this isn’t even answered in the Torah, we are to assume yet again that men have the power to do as they wish and a woman must suffer the punishment for BOTH of them.

    Leviticus 27:3-7 God places a dollar value on human life; with women worth less than men.

    Numbers 1:2 Is the basis for the sexism that remains rampant today.  In this verse Moses takes a poll of all the men who are able to fight in war, women aren’t even counted in the census.  Apparently back then, just like today, us women are considered the weaker species and unable to battle.  (Let’s not forget that during the time the Pentateuch was written women in Pagan cultures were FEARED and revered as the more powerful species.  It is because of this patriarchal religion and it’s offshoots that we have been reduced to cowering sub-humans.)

    Numbers 30:3-16  A woman can’t make a vow unless her husband allows it.

    Numbers 31: 14-18  Moses tells his men to kill all the males, non-virginal women, elderly and children of the Midianite tribe. Of course, the virgin women are kept for raping. If you read later down in the scripture God states that the person can not even marry a Midianite woman (with exception to Moses). Hence these women who were captured were repeatedly raped and impregnated and they weren’t even allowed a marital status in which to protect them.

    Deuteronomy 20:13-15  Kill all the men and boys in the cities that God “delivers into your hands,” but keep the women for raping.

    Deuteronomy 21:11-14  If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and “go in unto her.”

    Deuteronomy 22:5 Women that wear men’s clothing are an “abomination unto the Lord.”

    Deuteronomy 22:13-22 Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity.  Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. This does not apply to men though, of course.  What is interesting to note here is the actual wording, it says : “that if a man hateth his wife he may say she did not have the tokens of her virginity”.  Since there is no way a woman can truly prove she had a hymen upon marriage the word rests on the husband and she can be disposed of simply when he tires of her.

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24 is one of the most cruel and sexist passages of the Torah. It says that women who are raped and fail to “cry out loud” in a populated area are most likely enjoying the attack should be killed.

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29 A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels.  Is this supposed to be some type of retribution?  What about the victim here, what if she doesn’t want to marry a pig who raped her?  All that matters is her father receives payment for his “property”.

    Deuteronomy 25:11-12 Says that we must cut off a woman’s hand if she touches the “secrets” of a man who is fighting with her husband…“And thine eye shall not pity her.”  Once again, there is no punishment for the man she touched, only the woman.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    He doesnt understand this.  He clearly doesnt have a grasp of probability.

    Look at his thread in the NBA forum about how the game was fixed for the over last night.  He doesnt understand variance.  He doesnt understand that out of thousands of trials, even longshots come in, and strange patterns exist.

    He is someone that obviously needs to assign explanation to these patterns - because saying "I dont know" is not in his vocabulary.  He makes up answers to soothe himself - the game is fixed - god is the answer etc - because he simply doesnt understand how there can be a lot of fouls in the beginning of a game - not understanding that simply some games will have a lot of fouls simply by variance.

    It is clear as clear can be.

    You are looking at the odds of life in the galaxy as very high and you believe based on this there is life. I can understand your train of thought here.

    On the other end of the spectrum, you are also believing that earth and life happened by pure chance. The odds of this calculated is 10 pages or zeroes. Do you really understand how mind burning those odds are. As i stated before, a Harvard mathematician calculated that as equivalent to a person rolling a pair of sixes 50,000 times in a row. Remember, if it broke once, then you have to start again.

    Another example commonly is used if, you got a dog, attached a hammer to its tail, put it in a yard where all the componants needed to build a house were there, what are the chances that after 100 trillion years a house would be built by the dog swinging his tail around and hitting the componants to build a house? remember, the dog isnt trying to build a house, much like you believe when the big bang occured, there was no mind behind or purpose for planet formation. They are the same chances.

    Based on that, therefore there is no reason why you shouldnt believe that right now i am Doc Rivers. After all, there is a statistical chance this could be the case. To you, there is a much much higher chance that i am Doc Rivers than the earth happening by random chance.

    So why do you choose to believe the earth happened by chance and i am not Doc Rovers?

    The odds that i am Doc Rivers is much much much higher than the earth happening by chance, you will chose the stupid odds of the earth happening by chance than me being Doc Rivers yet you dont realise the difference in probability.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    He doesnt understand this.  He clearly doesnt have a grasp of probability.

    Look at his thread in the NBA forum about how the game was fixed for the over last night.  He doesnt understand variance.  He doesnt understand that out of thousands of trials, even longshots come in, and strange patterns exist.

    He is someone that obviously needs to assign explanation to these patterns - because saying "I dont know" is not in his vocabulary.  He makes up answers to soothe himself - the game is fixed - god is the answer etc - because he simply doesnt understand how there can be a lot of fouls in the beginning of a game - not understanding that simply some games will have a lot of fouls simply by variance.

    It is clear as clear can be.

    You are looking at the odds of life in the galaxy as very high and you believe based on this there is life. I can understand your train of thought here.

    On the other end of the spectrum, you are also believing that earth and life happened by pure chance. The odds of this calculated is 10 pages or zeroes. Do you really understand how mind burning those odds are. As i stated before, a Harvard mathematician calculated that as equivalent to a person rolling a pair of sixes 50,000 times in a row. Remember, if it broke once, then you have to start again.

    Another example commonly is used if, you got a dog, attached a hammer to its tail, put it in a yard where all the componants needed to build a house were there, what are the chances that after 100 trillion years a house would be built by the dog swinging his tail around and hitting the componants to build a house? remember, the dog isnt trying to build a house, much like you believe when the big bang occured, there was no mind behind or purpose for planet formation. They are the same chances.

    Based on that, therefore there is no reason why you shouldnt believe that right now i am Doc Rivers. After all, there is a statistical chance this could be the case. To you, there is a much much higher chance that i am Doc Rivers than the earth happening by random chance.

    So why do you choose to believe the earth happened by chance and i am not Doc Rovers?

    The odds that i am Doc Rivers is much much much higher than the earth happening by chance, you will chose the stupid odds of the earth happening by chance than me being Doc Rivers yet you dont realise the difference in probability.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Who does the church have so many molestors?  Is it true that molesters became priests rather than priests turned into molestors? 

    And why did the preacher have to lie about being a Navy Seal?

    So you have an expectation that Priests should be 100% sin free?

    The last time i checked, they are human beings as well. While it is not an excuse, they are humans as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Who does the church have so many molestors?  Is it true that molesters became priests rather than priests turned into molestors? 

    And why did the preacher have to lie about being a Navy Seal?

    So you have an expectation that Priests should be 100% sin free?

    The last time i checked, they are human beings as well. While it is not an excuse, they are humans as well.

     
     
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    You can't place a probability on things that have a 0% chance of happening. You can NEVER be Doc Rivers because you are not Doc Rivers. A dog will NEVER accidentally build a house because he doesn't have the physical capabilities of doing so. The probability is 0%.

    The odds of the universe forming ONE PLANET that sustains life (at least one) over the course of trillions upon trillions of supernovas and even more trillions upon trillions of planets is incredibly high. 1 in 50,000....50 pages of 0s is almost 100% if there were 50,000....50 pages of 0s worth of explosions, which there were. So by your own logic, you acknowledge this.
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    You can't place a probability on things that have a 0% chance of happening. You can NEVER be Doc Rivers because you are not Doc Rivers. A dog will NEVER accidentally build a house because he doesn't have the physical capabilities of doing so. The probability is 0%.

    The odds of the universe forming ONE PLANET that sustains life (at least one) over the course of trillions upon trillions of supernovas and even more trillions upon trillions of planets is incredibly high. 1 in 50,000....50 pages of 0s is almost 100% if there were 50,000....50 pages of 0s worth of explosions, which there were. So by your own logic, you acknowledge this.
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