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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 7:22 AM ET #626

    Quote Originally Posted by aerial:

    bbitw, one would have to be nieve to hold the scriptures at fault and not the cult that have manipulated the writings of the gospel to create another non-event like the june 6th, 2006 doomsday date.

    Where does the bible endorse this false doomsday date for this weekend? The scriptures are specific in its order of events for prophecy to come. Where is the mark of the beast, the tribulations, anti-christs arrival, e.c.t that must pass before the second coming.


    Harold Camping does it by taking those verses in the Bible he likes and combines it with numerology and thats how he got it. 
    People against him quote other verses, but it all shows the same it all depends on personal interpretation.
    Even what you it says its supposed to happen comes written in figurative and outdated words.
    Maybe a lot of the signs have been shown but we have missed them... you never know because the Bible is outdated as well as its words.. its all about interpretation.. thats why even there are contradictions and a lot of groups in a same religion.. 
    You cant say one has the absolute or more truth than the other... So Mr. Camping sect in a way is right.. and proving you and your religion are wrong.. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by aerial:

    bbitw, one would have to be nieve to hold the scriptures at fault and not the cult that have manipulated the writings of the gospel to create another non-event like the june 6th, 2006 doomsday date.

    Where does the bible endorse this false doomsday date for this weekend? The scriptures are specific in its order of events for prophecy to come. Where is the mark of the beast, the tribulations, anti-christs arrival, e.c.t that must pass before the second coming.


    Harold Camping does it by taking those verses in the Bible he likes and combines it with numerology and thats how he got it. 
    People against him quote other verses, but it all shows the same it all depends on personal interpretation.
    Even what you it says its supposed to happen comes written in figurative and outdated words.
    Maybe a lot of the signs have been shown but we have missed them... you never know because the Bible is outdated as well as its words.. its all about interpretation.. thats why even there are contradictions and a lot of groups in a same religion.. 
    You cant say one has the absolute or more truth than the other... So Mr. Camping sect in a way is right.. and proving you and your religion are wrong.. 
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 9:31 AM ET #627

    bbitw, do you seek my specific attention for your "youtube" links? didnt comment for I was discussing science, not mainstream commentary geared for entertainment set boundaries. As for your rationalism, one of the links suggest that if a American christian was born in Pakistan they would be islamic instead. Have you been to Pakistan to certify this authentic? One Pakistani christian named Arshed Masih died after radical muslim leaders, backed by police, burned him alive for refusing to convert to islam while his wife was raped by police officers. Pakistan citizens are converting to christianity, even with these persecutions that await such a decision.

    You quote in regards to religion; "You cant say one has the absolute or more truth than the other" after you post a link that states that "religion is a bureaucracy between man and god". Which is it then? Where is interpretation when you grade a cults doomsday date prophecy by the original scrolls, not a version or translation where their mathematic calculations are flawed. If you bothered to cross-check the formula, it is clear in its error. Just as in a court of law, accountability has to begin somewhere and your interpretation of the law does not excuse you from the law.

    bbitw, your motive to single myself out for not giving your links public comment, seeking to drag myself away from facts of science that provide a middle ground into your opinions and those of a social commentator was? If I was interested in swapping opinions I would have just said: the atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't find a police officer, that I cannot think that a Meteoris watch exists and has no watchmaker and sin has gotten men into more trouble than science can get him out of.

    But if you are going to judge God by the actions of man, remember Ghandi's words; "If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today".

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    bbitw, do you seek my specific attention for your "youtube" links? didnt comment for I was discussing science, not mainstream commentary geared for entertainment set boundaries. As for your rationalism, one of the links suggest that if a American christian was born in Pakistan they would be islamic instead. Have you been to Pakistan to certify this authentic? One Pakistani christian named Arshed Masih died after radical muslim leaders, backed by police, burned him alive for refusing to convert to islam while his wife was raped by police officers. Pakistan citizens are converting to christianity, even with these persecutions that await such a decision.

    You quote in regards to religion; "You cant say one has the absolute or more truth than the other" after you post a link that states that "religion is a bureaucracy between man and god". Which is it then? Where is interpretation when you grade a cults doomsday date prophecy by the original scrolls, not a version or translation where their mathematic calculations are flawed. If you bothered to cross-check the formula, it is clear in its error. Just as in a court of law, accountability has to begin somewhere and your interpretation of the law does not excuse you from the law.

    bbitw, your motive to single myself out for not giving your links public comment, seeking to drag myself away from facts of science that provide a middle ground into your opinions and those of a social commentator was? If I was interested in swapping opinions I would have just said: the atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't find a police officer, that I cannot think that a Meteoris watch exists and has no watchmaker and sin has gotten men into more trouble than science can get him out of.

    But if you are going to judge God by the actions of man, remember Ghandi's words; "If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today".

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 10:58 AM ET #628

    Quote Originally Posted by bbitw:

    Besides your Bible is going to look so stupid on Sunday when the world hasnt ended. even Saturday when nothing happens !

    what are you guys going to say ? the Bible can have mistakes ?

    my bible says not even the angles in heaven know the last day!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbitw:

    Besides your Bible is going to look so stupid on Sunday when the world hasnt ended. even Saturday when nothing happens !

    what are you guys going to say ? the Bible can have mistakes ?

    my bible says not even the angles in heaven know the last day!!!!

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 11:06 AM ET #629

    SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. Can it? Just answer it, yes or no? Do you realise how ridicolous you sound by thinking something can come from nothing?

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    Then tell me where God came from.  

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    SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. Can it? Just answer it, yes or no? Do you realise how ridicolous you sound by thinking something can come from nothing?

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    Then tell me where God came from.  

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 12:36 PM ET #630

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    my bible says not even the angles in heaven know the last day!!!!



    You win the thread. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    my bible says not even the angles in heaven know the last day!!!!



    You win the thread. 
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 1:27 PM ET #631

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    my bible says not even the angles in heaven know the last day!!!!

    i don't think you're interpreting it right.  this guy camping is a priest.  that means he's the mediator between you and your god.  he knows how to interpret the bible.  if, for some reason, the world doesn't end this saturday, that just means god changed her mind as she is prone to do and you need to stay tuned for the next end of the world date. 

    you might want to think about getting with the program.  you too onlygod.  your covers name carries some weight but i don't think you are the mediator between man and god like this camping fella.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    my bible says not even the angles in heaven know the last day!!!!

    i don't think you're interpreting it right.  this guy camping is a priest.  that means he's the mediator between you and your god.  he knows how to interpret the bible.  if, for some reason, the world doesn't end this saturday, that just means god changed her mind as she is prone to do and you need to stay tuned for the next end of the world date. 

    you might want to think about getting with the program.  you too onlygod.  your covers name carries some weight but i don't think you are the mediator between man and god like this camping fella.

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 1:59 PM ET #632

    the guy is a nut and a False Prophet- he was already wrong once, and if he was a real prophet according to the bible he has never read- if your wrong one time, your not a prophet- the fake christians are among the most dangerous people in the world. it's about giving the glory to God, not your self

    if he was a mediator(lol) why was he wrong last time? the guy should be in jail

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    the guy is a nut and a False Prophet- he was already wrong once, and if he was a real prophet according to the bible he has never read- if your wrong one time, your not a prophet- the fake christians are among the most dangerous people in the world. it's about giving the glory to God, not your self

    if he was a mediator(lol) why was he wrong last time? the guy should be in jail

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 2:24 PM ET #633

    here's my question...what is the price of admission to heaven? for the past few weeks i have been seeing a caravan of trucks driving up and down I-95, advertising 5/21/11 "judgement day" begins, and "the bible gaurentees it", and it is sponsered by a christian radio station 106.9 here in philly, so i tuned in to hear what they had to say on this subject, and guess what? they were pledaing for donations( what a shock huh?) i guess i have 2 questions, if the world is ending saturday, what do you need the money for?
    i would think the ones going to hell would be the ones in need of cash, you'll probably have to buy your way out of a lot shit there, or at least pay for a round of cold beers
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    here's my question...what is the price of admission to heaven? for the past few weeks i have been seeing a caravan of trucks driving up and down I-95, advertising 5/21/11 "judgement day" begins, and "the bible gaurentees it", and it is sponsered by a christian radio station 106.9 here in philly, so i tuned in to hear what they had to say on this subject, and guess what? they were pledaing for donations( what a shock huh?) i guess i have 2 questions, if the world is ending saturday, what do you need the money for?
    i would think the ones going to hell would be the ones in need of cash, you'll probably have to buy your way out of a lot shit there, or at least pay for a round of cold beers
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 3:28 PM ET #634

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the guy is a nut and a False Prophet- he was already wrong once, and if he was a real prophet according to the bible he has never read- if your wrong one time, your not a prophet- the fake christians are among the most dangerous people in the world. it's about giving the glory to God, not your self

    if he was a mediator(lol) why was he wrong last time? the guy should be in jail

    i'm just fucking around.  all you can do is have fun with this, right?  although i can see the normal christians getting pissed off at all this nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the guy is a nut and a False Prophet- he was already wrong once, and if he was a real prophet according to the bible he has never read- if your wrong one time, your not a prophet- the fake christians are among the most dangerous people in the world. it's about giving the glory to God, not your self

    if he was a mediator(lol) why was he wrong last time? the guy should be in jail

    i'm just fucking around.  all you can do is have fun with this, right?  although i can see the normal christians getting pissed off at all this nonsense.

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2011 - 3:48 PM ET #635

    Quote Originally Posted by aerial:

    bbitw, do you seek my specific attention for your "youtube" links? didnt comment for I was discussing science, not mainstream commentary geared for entertainment set boundaries. As for your rationalism, one of the links suggest that if a American christian was born in Pakistan they would be islamic instead. Have you been to Pakistan to certify this authentic? One Pakistani christian named Arshed Masih died after radical muslim leaders, backed by police, burned him alive for refusing to convert to islam while his wife was raped by police officers. Pakistan citizens are converting to christianity, even with these persecutions that await such a decision.

    You quote in regards to religion; "You cant say one has the absolute or more truth than the other" after you post a link that states that "religion is a bureaucracy between man and god". Which is it then? Where is interpretation when you grade a cults doomsday date prophecy by the original scrolls, not a version or translation where their mathematic calculations are flawed. If you bothered to cross-check the formula, it is clear in its error. Just as in a court of law, accountability has to begin somewhere and your interpretation of the law does not excuse you from the law.

    bbitw, your motive to single myself out for not giving your links public comment, seeking to drag myself away from facts of science that provide a middle ground into your opinions and those of a social commentator was? If I was interested in swapping opinions I would have just said: the atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't find a police officer, that I cannot think that a Meteoris watch exists and has no watchmaker and sin has gotten men into more trouble than science can get him out of.

    But if you are going to judge God by the actions of man, remember Ghandi's words; "If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today".

     

    That you mention a single example in Pakistan doesnt change the fact that he is right..

    And that they are backed by the police and allowed to rape her wife during it just shows that Bill is right, its arbitrary ! since they live there they are supposed to believe in it.. if the police backs it up its because its what the majority over there thinks and allows it.. So your claims of Pakistans becoming Christians its not backed up even by your own example..

    That I share a lot of common beliefs with Bill Maher doesnt mean I agree with him in everything..

    So yeah, it show how ridiculous the church is when you cant all even believe in the same things, and the law has nothing to do with this.. thats why the law is written in ways that interpretation doesnt change anything ! the law is not written in figurative language and based in faith ! so there is not a point in comparison between them..

    All of the christians beliefs are based on the interpretation of a person, there is no way around it. plain and simple. the original scriptures cant be translated directly because words where used in different ways in those days.. and words dont even apply in todays language..

    and if you think about that last Ghandi quote this is what it says: " If christians werent such hypocrites all of India would be christian."

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerial:

    bbitw, do you seek my specific attention for your "youtube" links? didnt comment for I was discussing science, not mainstream commentary geared for entertainment set boundaries. As for your rationalism, one of the links suggest that if a American christian was born in Pakistan they would be islamic instead. Have you been to Pakistan to certify this authentic? One Pakistani christian named Arshed Masih died after radical muslim leaders, backed by police, burned him alive for refusing to convert to islam while his wife was raped by police officers. Pakistan citizens are converting to christianity, even with these persecutions that await such a decision.

    You quote in regards to religion; "You cant say one has the absolute or more truth than the other" after you post a link that states that "religion is a bureaucracy between man and god". Which is it then? Where is interpretation when you grade a cults doomsday date prophecy by the original scrolls, not a version or translation where their mathematic calculations are flawed. If you bothered to cross-check the formula, it is clear in its error. Just as in a court of law, accountability has to begin somewhere and your interpretation of the law does not excuse you from the law.

    bbitw, your motive to single myself out for not giving your links public comment, seeking to drag myself away from facts of science that provide a middle ground into your opinions and those of a social commentator was? If I was interested in swapping opinions I would have just said: the atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't find a police officer, that I cannot think that a Meteoris watch exists and has no watchmaker and sin has gotten men into more trouble than science can get him out of.

    But if you are going to judge God by the actions of man, remember Ghandi's words; "If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today".

     

    That you mention a single example in Pakistan doesnt change the fact that he is right..

    And that they are backed by the police and allowed to rape her wife during it just shows that Bill is right, its arbitrary ! since they live there they are supposed to believe in it.. if the police backs it up its because its what the majority over there thinks and allows it.. So your claims of Pakistans becoming Christians its not backed up even by your own example..

    That I share a lot of common beliefs with Bill Maher doesnt mean I agree with him in everything..

    So yeah, it show how ridiculous the church is when you cant all even believe in the same things, and the law has nothing to do with this.. thats why the law is written in ways that interpretation doesnt change anything ! the law is not written in figurative language and based in faith ! so there is not a point in comparison between them..

    All of the christians beliefs are based on the interpretation of a person, there is no way around it. plain and simple. the original scriptures cant be translated directly because words where used in different ways in those days.. and words dont even apply in todays language..

    and if you think about that last Ghandi quote this is what it says: " If christians werent such hypocrites all of India would be christian."

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. Can it? Just answer it, yes or no? Do you realise how ridicolous you sound by thinking something can come from nothing?

    _______________

    Then tell me where God came from.  

    God has always been here. He has no beginning or no end, he is eternal, everlasting. He dwells  in the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Your eternal word, O Lord, stands firm in heaven.---Psalm 119:89

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

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    SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. Can it? Just answer it, yes or no? Do you realise how ridicolous you sound by thinking something can come from nothing?

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    Then tell me where God came from.  

    God has always been here. He has no beginning or no end, he is eternal, everlasting. He dwells  in the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Your eternal word, O Lord, stands firm in heaven.---Psalm 119:89

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     
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    The Book of 2 Samuel

    Author is uncertain some have suggested Nathan's son Zabud and the prophets Nathan and Gad, written 930 B.C., son after David's reign (1050-970 B.C.)

    Among the godly men and women mentioned in the Bible, King David stands as one of the most prominent. The prophet Samuel had said that God wanted "a man after his own heart," and David was that man.

    The book 2 Samuel tells King David's story, covering a period of approximately forty years---the bulk of David's reign as king. It begins with David's being proclaimed king of Israel. Soon after his inauguration, David consolidated his position against rivals to the throne. After conquering Jerusalem, David made it his capital and brought the sacred Ark of the Covenant there. Then he defeated the Philistines---neighbors who had harassed the Israelites for hundreds of years.

    But 2 Samuel also describes the darker side of David's career as well, including his affair with Bathsheba and the rebellion led by his son Absalom. The book comes to a close near the end of David's long reign.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    The Book of 2 Samuel

    Author is uncertain some have suggested Nathan's son Zabud and the prophets Nathan and Gad, written 930 B.C., son after David's reign (1050-970 B.C.)

    Among the godly men and women mentioned in the Bible, King David stands as one of the most prominent. The prophet Samuel had said that God wanted "a man after his own heart," and David was that man.

    The book 2 Samuel tells King David's story, covering a period of approximately forty years---the bulk of David's reign as king. It begins with David's being proclaimed king of Israel. Soon after his inauguration, David consolidated his position against rivals to the throne. After conquering Jerusalem, David made it his capital and brought the sacred Ark of the Covenant there. Then he defeated the Philistines---neighbors who had harassed the Israelites for hundreds of years.

    But 2 Samuel also describes the darker side of David's career as well, including his affair with Bathsheba and the rebellion led by his son Absalom. The book comes to a close near the end of David's long reign.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Correction: God has always been here. He has no beginning or no end, He is eternal, everlasting. He dwells  in the Kingdom of Heaven.

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    Correction: Author is uncertain some have suggested Nathan's son Zabud and the prophets Nathan and Gad, written 930 B.C., soon after David's reign (1050-970 B.C.)

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    Correction: Author is uncertain some have suggested Nathan's son Zabud and the prophets Nathan and Gad, written 930 B.C., soon after David's reign (1050-970 B.C.)

     
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    Over 600 posts and you still have no opinior for yourself..

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    Over 600 posts and you still have no opinior for yourself..

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    God has always been here. He has no beginning or no end, he is eternal, everlasting. He dwells  in the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Your eternal word, O Lord, stands firm in heaven.---Psalm 119:89

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     


    Thank you for acknowledging that SOMETHING had to always exist. You claim it is god that has no beginning or end; we claim it is something tangible like the initial singularity or the multiverse or something, we don't know for sure. The point is, something had to always be here so the argument that "something can't come from nothing" by either side is pointless.
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    God has always been here. He has no beginning or no end, he is eternal, everlasting. He dwells  in the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Your eternal word, O Lord, stands firm in heaven.---Psalm 119:89

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     


    Thank you for acknowledging that SOMETHING had to always exist. You claim it is god that has no beginning or end; we claim it is something tangible like the initial singularity or the multiverse or something, we don't know for sure. The point is, something had to always be here so the argument that "something can't come from nothing" by either side is pointless.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbitw:

    Over 600 posts and you still have no opinior for yourself..


    I disregard his bible verses for the same reason he disregards by Harry Potter quotes. They both have equal weight and validity (or lack thereof)
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    Over 600 posts and you still have no opinior for yourself..


    I disregard his bible verses for the same reason he disregards by Harry Potter quotes. They both have equal weight and validity (or lack thereof)
     
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    Part 3 of 23. Emphatic Answers

    Could this least-understood of all books the Holy Bible reveal purpose behind the presence of mankind on the earth? Does it explain why man is as he is---at once so creative and yet so destructive? Does it explain why man is so utterly helpless before his own problems, yet with such awesome intellectual and productive powers? Does it offer solutions? Does it give us hope?

    To all these vital questions, the emphatic answer is a resounding yes! But ask the same questions concerning evolution, or the teachings of religions, and the answer is regretably no! Would it not, then, seem the folly of fools to refuse honest examination of these desperately needed answers? Here, then, is our Maker's crucial message to manking in this crisis hour of human history. Expect surprises! How this missing dimension of knowledge could have been overlooked these millenniums by religion, science and education is as shocking as the fact that our Creator, in the first two chapters of his revealed Instruction Book, tells us clearly and emphatically, that man is neither an animal, nor an immortal soul!

    These first two chapters of Genesis clearly dispute the theory of evolution: The very first verse of the first chapter in the Bible states positively that God exists---and that he created the heaven and the earth. The first chapter also states positively that man is not an animal. And the second chapter depicts God himself saying positively that man is not an immortal soul---contrary to the very foundational belief of many, or most, religions!

    The very first words in the Bible are: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen. 1:1, New King James Version). No "perhapses"---no theories---just a positive statement!

    Another important revelation to note at the very beginning: The human being inspired in the original writing of those words was Moses. Moses wrote in the Hebrew language. The English word "God" is translated from the Hebrew Elohim---a noun, plural in form, but with either singular or plural usage. It means in this context one God. But more than one Person compose that one God---just as a family is one family, but may be composed of two, five or more persons.

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    Could this least-understood of all books the Holy Bible reveal purpose behind the presence of mankind on the earth? Does it explain why man is as he is---at once so creative and yet so destructive? Does it explain why man is so utterly helpless before his own problems, yet with such awesome intellectual and productive powers? Does it offer solutions? Does it give us hope?

    To all these vital questions, the emphatic answer is a resounding yes! But ask the same questions concerning evolution, or the teachings of religions, and the answer is regretably no! Would it not, then, seem the folly of fools to refuse honest examination of these desperately needed answers? Here, then, is our Maker's crucial message to manking in this crisis hour of human history. Expect surprises! How this missing dimension of knowledge could have been overlooked these millenniums by religion, science and education is as shocking as the fact that our Creator, in the first two chapters of his revealed Instruction Book, tells us clearly and emphatically, that man is neither an animal, nor an immortal soul!

    These first two chapters of Genesis clearly dispute the theory of evolution: The very first verse of the first chapter in the Bible states positively that God exists---and that he created the heaven and the earth. The first chapter also states positively that man is not an animal. And the second chapter depicts God himself saying positively that man is not an immortal soul---contrary to the very foundational belief of many, or most, religions!

    The very first words in the Bible are: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen. 1:1, New King James Version). No "perhapses"---no theories---just a positive statement!

    Another important revelation to note at the very beginning: The human being inspired in the original writing of those words was Moses. Moses wrote in the Hebrew language. The English word "God" is translated from the Hebrew Elohim---a noun, plural in form, but with either singular or plural usage. It means in this context one God. But more than one Person compose that one God---just as a family is one family, but may be composed of two, five or more persons.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    Thank you for acknowledging that SOMETHING had to always exist. You claim it is god that has no beginning or end; we claim it is something tangible like the initial singularity or the multiverse or something, we don't know for sure. The point is, something had to always be here so the argument that "something can't come from nothing" by either side is pointless.

    Well I believe it is God and so I will not even look or seek any further as you are doing because you will never come up with an answer but perhaps I might be wrong, you might come up with something like it was Harry Porter who always existed...lol

    You know I think that character, that accident vanzack believes it was Harry Porter...lol

    I'm sorry again for laughing at you but as I said in an earlier post you do make me laugh at times and it's all in good nature.

    Jesus Christ our Lord Savior said, "The Kingdom of Heaven is like a treasure that a man discovered hidden in a field. In his excitement, he hid it again and sold everything he owned to get enough money to buy the field. ---Matthew 13:44

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    Thank you for acknowledging that SOMETHING had to always exist. You claim it is god that has no beginning or end; we claim it is something tangible like the initial singularity or the multiverse or something, we don't know for sure. The point is, something had to always be here so the argument that "something can't come from nothing" by either side is pointless.

    Well I believe it is God and so I will not even look or seek any further as you are doing because you will never come up with an answer but perhaps I might be wrong, you might come up with something like it was Harry Porter who always existed...lol

    You know I think that character, that accident vanzack believes it was Harry Porter...lol

    I'm sorry again for laughing at you but as I said in an earlier post you do make me laugh at times and it's all in good nature.

    Jesus Christ our Lord Savior said, "The Kingdom of Heaven is like a treasure that a man discovered hidden in a field. In his excitement, he hid it again and sold everything he owned to get enough money to buy the field. ---Matthew 13:44

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    "Well I believe it is God and so I will not even look or seek any further as you are doing"

    - Do you realize how narrow-minded this is? You won't even bother to look because you "believe" it is god? Think about that for a second. Imagine if Copernicus decided he "believed" that the Earth was the center of the universe and didn't bother to look? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? Imagine if Einstein decided he "believed" light was purely waves and not particles? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? How can you even say you won't bother seeking an answer when you know that your "belief" is not 100% true? Regardless of what anyone believes, looking for more evidence is only helpful. In fact, to confirm your belief, you should be trying to disprove your beliefs because if you try and disprove your beliefs and you fail, that confirms your beliefs as correct. Even if I was 100% certain god doesn't exist, I would still seek further evidence because more information is never a bad thing. This is BY FAR the most ignorant statement you've made.
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    "Well I believe it is God and so I will not even look or seek any further as you are doing"

    - Do you realize how narrow-minded this is? You won't even bother to look because you "believe" it is god? Think about that for a second. Imagine if Copernicus decided he "believed" that the Earth was the center of the universe and didn't bother to look? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? Imagine if Einstein decided he "believed" light was purely waves and not particles? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? How can you even say you won't bother seeking an answer when you know that your "belief" is not 100% true? Regardless of what anyone believes, looking for more evidence is only helpful. In fact, to confirm your belief, you should be trying to disprove your beliefs because if you try and disprove your beliefs and you fail, that confirms your beliefs as correct. Even if I was 100% certain god doesn't exist, I would still seek further evidence because more information is never a bad thing. This is BY FAR the most ignorant statement you've made.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    "Well I believe it is God and so I will not even look or seek any further as you are doing"

    - Do you realize how narrow-minded this is? You won't even bother to look because you "believe" it is god? Think about that for a second. Imagine if Copernicus decided he "believed" that the Earth was the center of the universe and didn't bother to look? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? Imagine if Einstein decided he "believed" light was purely waves and not particles? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? How can you even say you won't bother seeking an answer when you know that your "belief" is not 100% true? Regardless of what anyone believes, looking for more evidence is only helpful. In fact, to confirm your belief, you should be trying to disprove your beliefs because if you try and disprove your beliefs and you fail, that confirms your beliefs as correct. Even if I was 100% certain god doesn't exist, I would still seek further evidence because more information is never a bad thing. This is BY FAR the most ignorant statement you've made.

    Yes Kitty, this pretty much sums up the mentality of SJD

    This thread is a failure. I, as well as many others, have asked tough questions, and still no answers or even attempts to answer. Just bible verses 
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    "Well I believe it is God and so I will not even look or seek any further as you are doing"

    - Do you realize how narrow-minded this is? You won't even bother to look because you "believe" it is god? Think about that for a second. Imagine if Copernicus decided he "believed" that the Earth was the center of the universe and didn't bother to look? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? Imagine if Einstein decided he "believed" light was purely waves and not particles? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? How can you even say you won't bother seeking an answer when you know that your "belief" is not 100% true? Regardless of what anyone believes, looking for more evidence is only helpful. In fact, to confirm your belief, you should be trying to disprove your beliefs because if you try and disprove your beliefs and you fail, that confirms your beliefs as correct. Even if I was 100% certain god doesn't exist, I would still seek further evidence because more information is never a bad thing. This is BY FAR the most ignorant statement you've made.

    Yes Kitty, this pretty much sums up the mentality of SJD

    This thread is a failure. I, as well as many others, have asked tough questions, and still no answers or even attempts to answer. Just bible verses 
     
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    God Doesn't Exist? Prove It!


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    Quote Originally Posted by aerial:

    Beliefs have to be consistent with your world view. Before the 20th century, atheists assumed that the universe was eternal. However, beginning with Einstein's theory of general relativity and early observational evidence, it became apparent that the universe was expanding. Extrapolating back in time revealed that the universe was merely billions of years old. The data eventually led to the "Big Bang" theory, which is virtually universally accepted by modern day cosmologist. Attempt to get around the idea that the universe had a begining have all met with observational difficulties. The idea that the universe could have gone through an infinite number of births and deaths was shown to be false on the basis of the lack of amount of matter within the universe, and the fact that any collapse would have led to a "Big Crunch" instead of another Big Bang. So, we have come to realize that the universe 1st began to exist 13.7 billion years ago. Atheists are left with, since their worldview requires that all things that begin to exist must have a cause. So, logic requires the admission that the universe had a cause. Virtually all atheists say that this cause was some natural phenomenon. It is also possible that the cause of the universe was a supernatural intelligence i.e. God.

    However, there is no direct observational evidence for either belief. Those who are strong atheists (convinced there is no god, the topic is hollow, but have continued to post across 25 pages) violate one of the main rules of atheism that all beliefs are based upon observational evidence. So, any atheist who denies the possible existence of God violates their own worldview.

    Exactly, the thing is however, the CAUSE of the universe has to be OUTSIDE of space, time and matter. The atheist ONLY believes in the naturlaistic world (space, time and matter).

    They are left to ultimately believe the universe created itself out of nothing.

    I mean NOTHING

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    Beliefs have to be consistent with your world view. Before the 20th century, atheists assumed that the universe was eternal. However, beginning with Einstein's theory of general relativity and early observational evidence, it became apparent that the universe was expanding. Extrapolating back in time revealed that the universe was merely billions of years old. The data eventually led to the "Big Bang" theory, which is virtually universally accepted by modern day cosmologist. Attempt to get around the idea that the universe had a begining have all met with observational difficulties. The idea that the universe could have gone through an infinite number of births and deaths was shown to be false on the basis of the lack of amount of matter within the universe, and the fact that any collapse would have led to a "Big Crunch" instead of another Big Bang. So, we have come to realize that the universe 1st began to exist 13.7 billion years ago. Atheists are left with, since their worldview requires that all things that begin to exist must have a cause. So, logic requires the admission that the universe had a cause. Virtually all atheists say that this cause was some natural phenomenon. It is also possible that the cause of the universe was a supernatural intelligence i.e. God.

    However, there is no direct observational evidence for either belief. Those who are strong atheists (convinced there is no god, the topic is hollow, but have continued to post across 25 pages) violate one of the main rules of atheism that all beliefs are based upon observational evidence. So, any atheist who denies the possible existence of God violates their own worldview.

    Exactly, the thing is however, the CAUSE of the universe has to be OUTSIDE of space, time and matter. The atheist ONLY believes in the naturlaistic world (space, time and matter).

    They are left to ultimately believe the universe created itself out of nothing.

    I mean NOTHING

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbitw:

    Besides your Bible is going to look so stupid on Sunday when the world hasnt ended. even Saturday when nothing happens !

    what are you guys going to say ? the Bible can have mistakes ?

    Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

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    Besides your Bible is going to look so stupid on Sunday when the world hasnt ended. even Saturday when nothing happens !

    what are you guys going to say ? the Bible can have mistakes ?

    Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    "Well I believe it is God and so I will not even look or seek any further as you are doing"

    - Do you realize how narrow-minded this is? You won't even bother to look because you "believe" it is god? Think about that for a second. Imagine if Copernicus decided he "believed" that the Earth was the center of the universe and didn't bother to look? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? Imagine if Einstein decided he "believed" light was purely waves and not particles? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? How can you even say you won't bother seeking an answer when you know that your "belief" is not 100% true? Regardless of what anyone believes, looking for more evidence is only helpful. In fact, to confirm your belief, you should be trying to disprove your beliefs because if you try and disprove your beliefs and you fail, that confirms your beliefs as correct. Even if I was 100% certain god doesn't exist, I would still seek further evidence because more information is never a bad thing. This is BY FAR the most ignorant statement you've made.
    A+ Great debating....you are exposing the ignorance of rostos
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    "Well I believe it is God and so I will not even look or seek any further as you are doing"

    - Do you realize how narrow-minded this is? You won't even bother to look because you "believe" it is god? Think about that for a second. Imagine if Copernicus decided he "believed" that the Earth was the center of the universe and didn't bother to look? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? Imagine if Einstein decided he "believed" light was purely waves and not particles? We would have some problems with technology wouldn't we? How can you even say you won't bother seeking an answer when you know that your "belief" is not 100% true? Regardless of what anyone believes, looking for more evidence is only helpful. In fact, to confirm your belief, you should be trying to disprove your beliefs because if you try and disprove your beliefs and you fail, that confirms your beliefs as correct. Even if I was 100% certain god doesn't exist, I would still seek further evidence because more information is never a bad thing. This is BY FAR the most ignorant statement you've made.
    A+ Great debating....you are exposing the ignorance of rostos
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