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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    Mikniks
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 10:24 AM ET #3476

    I'll expand on that...

    If I said I don't think Santa Claus should be fat, does that mean I believe Santa exists?  No.  It means I think the way people picture him is wrong, regardless if he exists or not.  Why is that so hard to grasp for you?
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    I'll expand on that...

    If I said I don't think Santa Claus should be fat, does that mean I believe Santa exists?  No.  It means I think the way people picture him is wrong, regardless if he exists or not.  Why is that so hard to grasp for you?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 11:23 AM ET #3477

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Please don't start with the separation of Church and State.
    Ahhh now we get to it. A man who picks his religion to substantiate his racist, bigoted, beliefs. You sir, are nothing but a parasitic asshole who uses his believe in the lord super-zombie to practice his hate. FU.
    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Please don't start with the separation of Church and State.
    Ahhh now we get to it. A man who picks his religion to substantiate his racist, bigoted, beliefs. You sir, are nothing but a parasitic asshole who uses his believe in the lord super-zombie to practice his hate. FU.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 11:42 AM ET #3478

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Ahhh now we get to it. A man who picks his religion to substantiate his racist, bigoted, beliefs. You sir, are nothing but a parasitic asshole who uses his believe in the lord super-zombie to practice his hate. FU.

    yay
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Ahhh now we get to it. A man who picks his religion to substantiate his racist, bigoted, beliefs. You sir, are nothing but a parasitic asshole who uses his believe in the lord super-zombie to practice his hate. FU.

    yay
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 11:57 AM ET #3479

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    I'll expand on that...

    If I said I don't think Santa Claus should be fat, does that mean I believe Santa exists?  No.  It means I think the way people picture him is wrong, regardless if he exists or not.  Why is that so hard to grasp for you?

    You're having a hard problem grasping a simple concept. Let me break it down to little pieces for you. Why would it matter to you how people think Santa Claus should look if you don't think he's real. In order for you to care about something or what people think about or their perception of the thing that you say doesn't exist. That itself is a subconscious admission that what you're saying doesn't exist does exist at least to you. Your entire argument is based on a false premise.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    I'll expand on that...

    If I said I don't think Santa Claus should be fat, does that mean I believe Santa exists?  No.  It means I think the way people picture him is wrong, regardless if he exists or not.  Why is that so hard to grasp for you?

    You're having a hard problem grasping a simple concept. Let me break it down to little pieces for you. Why would it matter to you how people think Santa Claus should look if you don't think he's real. In order for you to care about something or what people think about or their perception of the thing that you say doesn't exist. That itself is a subconscious admission that what you're saying doesn't exist does exist at least to you. Your entire argument is based on a false premise.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 12:10 PM ET #3480

    Mikniks- I'm going to assume you have no kids. Now when/if you have kids they're going to believe in Santa Claus and the myth that our society has created. At some point most likely from a friend or older sibling they're going to find out that Santa Claus doesn't in fact exist. As a proud parent of 4 boys the oldest being a Marine. We have 3 boys at home. Now when they were younger and believed in Santa Claus I didn't debate or try to convince them that Santa Claus didn't exist. Why? Because I knew Santa Claus wasn't real so why would I waste my time trying to convince my children that he doesn't. Now if they asked questions I answered. But KNOWING that Santa Claus wasn't real it would make no sense to try to convince them or get mad at the way they viewed him. Once my older son found out Santa Claus wasn't real they had their own debates because the Twins still believed. Those were great debates. My point and what Rostos was trying to tell you is that this whole premise that you and your friends based your argument on is flawed from the beginning because everything you object to is a admission that God or Gods exists. If you review your own posts from a neutral perspective. You come up with 2 sound conclusions. #1 God exists and you hate him/her #2 You're completely insane forming arguments over a long period of time about something that you passionately say doesn't exists.
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    Mikniks- I'm going to assume you have no kids. Now when/if you have kids they're going to believe in Santa Claus and the myth that our society has created. At some point most likely from a friend or older sibling they're going to find out that Santa Claus doesn't in fact exist. As a proud parent of 4 boys the oldest being a Marine. We have 3 boys at home. Now when they were younger and believed in Santa Claus I didn't debate or try to convince them that Santa Claus didn't exist. Why? Because I knew Santa Claus wasn't real so why would I waste my time trying to convince my children that he doesn't. Now if they asked questions I answered. But KNOWING that Santa Claus wasn't real it would make no sense to try to convince them or get mad at the way they viewed him. Once my older son found out Santa Claus wasn't real they had their own debates because the Twins still believed. Those were great debates. My point and what Rostos was trying to tell you is that this whole premise that you and your friends based your argument on is flawed from the beginning because everything you object to is a admission that God or Gods exists. If you review your own posts from a neutral perspective. You come up with 2 sound conclusions. #1 God exists and you hate him/her #2 You're completely insane forming arguments over a long period of time about something that you passionately say doesn't exists.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 12:13 PM ET #3481

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Ahhh now we get to it. A man who picks his religion to substantiate his racist, bigoted, beliefs. You sir, are nothing but a parasitic asshole who uses his believe in the lord super-zombie to practice his hate. FU.

    After having to your endure your hateful posts jagerfury I have come to the conclusion that you're nothing more than a Troll and a Tool. Please go back to that rock from which you crawled out from under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Ahhh now we get to it. A man who picks his religion to substantiate his racist, bigoted, beliefs. You sir, are nothing but a parasitic asshole who uses his believe in the lord super-zombie to practice his hate. FU.

    After having to your endure your hateful posts jagerfury I have come to the conclusion that you're nothing more than a Troll and a Tool. Please go back to that rock from which you crawled out from under.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 12:18 PM ET #3482

    Get this through your head: I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS

    This doesn't mean I can't attack the god you believe in.  All I'm doing is pointing out that your god has characteristics a god shouldn't have.  This does not mean I believe your god exists.  It means I think your god, if he was real, is a bit of a prick.  If I believed in a god, the god I would think of wouldn't condone genocide.
    So this statement makes sense to you? I will present this as "Exhibit A" of the argument that you have to be clinically insane. That short statement is a perfect dichotomy. Truly Mikniks you're in strong denial there son. Like Rostos said maybe you didn't understand his statement. How can you question the characteristics of something that doesn't exists?  
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    Get this through your head: I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS

    This doesn't mean I can't attack the god you believe in.  All I'm doing is pointing out that your god has characteristics a god shouldn't have.  This does not mean I believe your god exists.  It means I think your god, if he was real, is a bit of a prick.  If I believed in a god, the god I would think of wouldn't condone genocide.
    So this statement makes sense to you? I will present this as "Exhibit A" of the argument that you have to be clinically insane. That short statement is a perfect dichotomy. Truly Mikniks you're in strong denial there son. Like Rostos said maybe you didn't understand his statement. How can you question the characteristics of something that doesn't exists?  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 12:20 PM ET #3483

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Get this through your head: I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS

    This doesn't mean I can't attack the god you believe in.  All I'm doing is pointing out that your god has characteristics a god shouldn't have.  This does not mean I believe your god exists.  It means I think your god, if he was real, is a bit of a prick.  If I believed in a god, the god I would think of wouldn't condone genocide.


    So this statement makes sense to you? I will present this as "Exhibit A" of the argument that you have to be clinically insane. That short statement is a perfect dichotomy. Truly Mikniks you're in strong denial there son. Like Rostos said maybe you didn't understand his statement. How can you question the characteristics of something that doesn't exists?  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Get this through your head: I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS

    This doesn't mean I can't attack the god you believe in.  All I'm doing is pointing out that your god has characteristics a god shouldn't have.  This does not mean I believe your god exists.  It means I think your god, if he was real, is a bit of a prick.  If I believed in a god, the god I would think of wouldn't condone genocide.


    So this statement makes sense to you? I will present this as "Exhibit A" of the argument that you have to be clinically insane. That short statement is a perfect dichotomy. Truly Mikniks you're in strong denial there son. Like Rostos said maybe you didn't understand his statement. How can you question the characteristics of something that doesn't exists?  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 12:21 PM ET #3484

    Even the thread has had enough of this BS it's going crazy!
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    Even the thread has had enough of this BS it's going crazy!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 12:29 PM ET #3485

    smooth-

    I think what he should have said is, "I don't believe God exists," but if one exists as you state He does, he has some serious flaws in his opinion.  That type of statement is not admitting he believes a God exists.  

    Notice how he says, "I do not BELIEVE."  Anyone who says, "God does not exist" is actually making a statement that they really can't prove.

    Once you say, "I BELIEVE," everything else is open to argument and interpretation.
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    smooth-

    I think what he should have said is, "I don't believe God exists," but if one exists as you state He does, he has some serious flaws in his opinion.  That type of statement is not admitting he believes a God exists.  

    Notice how he says, "I do not BELIEVE."  Anyone who says, "God does not exist" is actually making a statement that they really can't prove.

    Once you say, "I BELIEVE," everything else is open to argument and interpretation.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 12:31 PM ET #3486

    He might believe that a God doesn't exist.  But one might.  So he can still argue with you about the attributes of that God even though he BELIEVES one does not exist.  
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    He might believe that a God doesn't exist.  But one might.  So he can still argue with you about the attributes of that God even though he BELIEVES one does not exist.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 12:36 PM ET #3487

    By describing a characteristic of God, you have admitted he exists. 
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    Completely false 

    Let's say you and I argue about the existence of Big Foot.  You believe he exists....I do not.  That doesn't preclude us from arguing about his potential attributes.  Because I can't say with certainty that he does NOT exist.  I can only say I believe he does not exist.  
    You folks are so concerned about boxing each other in a corner. Just accept it for what it is.....whether or not God exists is a subject that can be debated forever.  But it's an impossible debate to win.

      


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    By describing a characteristic of God, you have admitted he exists. 
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    Completely false 

    Let's say you and I argue about the existence of Big Foot.  You believe he exists....I do not.  That doesn't preclude us from arguing about his potential attributes.  Because I can't say with certainty that he does NOT exist.  I can only say I believe he does not exist.  
    You folks are so concerned about boxing each other in a corner. Just accept it for what it is.....whether or not God exists is a subject that can be debated forever.  But it's an impossible debate to win.

      


     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 1:07 PM ET #3488

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


      We don't hate god or the idea of god.   
     
     
    Oh...really? Instead of "We" don't you mean "I"
     
     
    That's not the impression anyone would get by reading your vulgar laced posts directed at the Lord.
     
    Do I need to post them all again?
     
    Imagine if your poor mother ever reads your posts on this thread...poor woman would probably be so angry and shocked with her full of hatred misguided son...it would just break her heart.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


      We don't hate god or the idea of god.   
     
     
    Oh...really? Instead of "We" don't you mean "I"
     
     
    That's not the impression anyone would get by reading your vulgar laced posts directed at the Lord.
     
    Do I need to post them all again?
     
    Imagine if your poor mother ever reads your posts on this thread...poor woman would probably be so angry and shocked with her full of hatred misguided son...it would just break her heart.
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 1:20 PM ET #3489

    Do yourself a favor mikniks stop posting already...cause you are really digging a very deep deep hole for yourself. Give yourself a break.

    You are a confused soul that's for sure. Imagine you telling us what you think the characteristic of God should be like...lol...too funny and arrogant to say the least!

     

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    Do yourself a favor mikniks stop posting already...cause you are really digging a very deep deep hole for yourself. Give yourself a break.

    You are a confused soul that's for sure. Imagine you telling us what you think the characteristic of God should be like...lol...too funny and arrogant to say the least!

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 1:31 PM ET #3490

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

     
     
    Oh...really? Instead of "We" don't you mean "I"
     
     
    That's not the impression anyone would get by reading your vulgar laced posts directed at the Lord.
     
    Do I need to post them all again?
     
    Imagine if your poor mother ever reads your posts on this thread...poor woman would probably be so angry and shocked with her full of hatred misguided son...it would just break her heart.
     


    you sound like the biggest loser. you must have been picked on a lot as a kid....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

     
     
    Oh...really? Instead of "We" don't you mean "I"
     
     
    That's not the impression anyone would get by reading your vulgar laced posts directed at the Lord.
     
    Do I need to post them all again?
     
    Imagine if your poor mother ever reads your posts on this thread...poor woman would probably be so angry and shocked with her full of hatred misguided son...it would just break her heart.
     


    you sound like the biggest loser. you must have been picked on a lot as a kid....
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 1:32 PM ET #3491

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:


    Appeal to motive is a pattern of argument which consists in challenging a thesis by calling into question the motives of its proposer. It can be considered as a special case of the ad hominem circumstantial argument. As such, this type of argument may be a logical fallacy.

    Geez....are you serious?...lol  Somebody is way over their head...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:


    Appeal to motive is a pattern of argument which consists in challenging a thesis by calling into question the motives of its proposer. It can be considered as a special case of the ad hominem circumstantial argument. As such, this type of argument may be a logical fallacy.

    Geez....are you serious?...lol  Somebody is way over their head...lol

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 1:49 PM ET #3492

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Geez....are you serious?...lol  Somebody is way over their head...lol


    I think SJD finally realized he's like a 5 foot 8 150 pound light weight vs a 6 foot 6 250 pound heavyweight. It's ok SJD, you're not the one that keeps appealing to motive so that wasn't directed at you. You just mindlessly quote the bible. I'm sorry thinking for yourself is difficult for you.

    Rostos is a complete idiot if he truly believes what he has said. He has PROVEN this far better than either side has proven anything regarding god's existence. This is something far easier to PROVE than anything about god. According to Rostos, if you don't believe something exists, you cannot comment on things about that something should it exist. The statement, "if there were hovercrafts, they would likely not go very fast" is invalid according to Rostos, unless I believe with 100% certainty that hovercrafts exist. This is undeniable proof that Rostos is a moron if he truly believes that I would be prohibited from making a statement like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Geez....are you serious?...lol  Somebody is way over their head...lol


    I think SJD finally realized he's like a 5 foot 8 150 pound light weight vs a 6 foot 6 250 pound heavyweight. It's ok SJD, you're not the one that keeps appealing to motive so that wasn't directed at you. You just mindlessly quote the bible. I'm sorry thinking for yourself is difficult for you.

    Rostos is a complete idiot if he truly believes what he has said. He has PROVEN this far better than either side has proven anything regarding god's existence. This is something far easier to PROVE than anything about god. According to Rostos, if you don't believe something exists, you cannot comment on things about that something should it exist. The statement, "if there were hovercrafts, they would likely not go very fast" is invalid according to Rostos, unless I believe with 100% certainty that hovercrafts exist. This is undeniable proof that Rostos is a moron if he truly believes that I would be prohibited from making a statement like that.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 1:56 PM ET #3493

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 2:00 PM ET #3494

    SJD is on some magical high horse and is convinced that people think it's "right" believe in god and that believers that care about you will look down on you and be upset that you don't believe. On the contrary, anyone that truly cares about you will be happy you have your own thinking mind and came to a conclusion on your own (almost surely the correct one). I can tell you this for sure: if my father read this thread he would be very, VERY proud of me; if my mother saw this thread, she wouldn't give a shit.
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    SJD is on some magical high horse and is convinced that people think it's "right" believe in god and that believers that care about you will look down on you and be upset that you don't believe. On the contrary, anyone that truly cares about you will be happy you have your own thinking mind and came to a conclusion on your own (almost surely the correct one). I can tell you this for sure: if my father read this thread he would be very, VERY proud of me; if my mother saw this thread, she wouldn't give a shit.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 2:10 PM ET #3495

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:

    At one point earlier in this thread, SJD said I was going to hell because I'm one of those who don't believe how you guys do. 

    What?....I did?

    Oh well...I will retract that if you become a "born again Christian"

    So...my friend what are you waiting for?  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:

    At one point earlier in this thread, SJD said I was going to hell because I'm one of those who don't believe how you guys do. 

    What?....I did?

    Oh well...I will retract that if you become a "born again Christian"

    So...my friend what are you waiting for?  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 2:32 PM ET #3496

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


     We CANNOT calculate the probability that god exists because we have NO NUMBERS to use.

    Understand?

    I swear I have been seeing this .000000001% chance that you believe God exist posted numerous times on this thread.

    Once again, I'm exposing your inconsistency.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


     We CANNOT calculate the probability that god exists because we have NO NUMBERS to use.

    Understand?

    I swear I have been seeing this .000000001% chance that you believe God exist posted numerous times on this thread.

    Once again, I'm exposing your inconsistency.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 5:00 PM ET #3497

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:


    You're having a hard problem grasping a simple concept. Let me break it down to little pieces for you. Why would it matter to you how people think Santa Claus should look if you don't think he's real. In order for you to care about something or what people think about or their perception of the thing that you say doesn't exist. That itself is a subconscious admission that what you're saying doesn't exist does exist at least to you. Your entire argument is based on a false premise.  

    Stop appealing to motive!  Sugarvear keeps posting that and you keep doing it!  Believing in Santa Claus never hurt anyone while they were believing.  It does later on because it sets people up to believe in more fairy tales.  Your entire argument isn't an argument.  Just keep spitting out logical fallacies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:


    You're having a hard problem grasping a simple concept. Let me break it down to little pieces for you. Why would it matter to you how people think Santa Claus should look if you don't think he's real. In order for you to care about something or what people think about or their perception of the thing that you say doesn't exist. That itself is a subconscious admission that what you're saying doesn't exist does exist at least to you. Your entire argument is based on a false premise.  

    Stop appealing to motive!  Sugarvear keeps posting that and you keep doing it!  Believing in Santa Claus never hurt anyone while they were believing.  It does later on because it sets people up to believe in more fairy tales.  Your entire argument isn't an argument.  Just keep spitting out logical fallacies...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 5:04 PM ET #3498

    How unintelligent could you guys be?  I can't talk about something unless I believe it exists?  I wish you guys weren't too stupid to understand this, but like I said before, when arguing with the moronic one must go down to their level, because they can't comprehend higher level thinking...
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    How unintelligent could you guys be?  I can't talk about something unless I believe it exists?  I wish you guys weren't too stupid to understand this, but like I said before, when arguing with the moronic one must go down to their level, because they can't comprehend higher level thinking...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 5:09 PM ET #3499

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Get this through your head: I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS

    This doesn't mean I can't attack the god you believe in.  All I'm doing is pointing out that your god has characteristics a god shouldn't have.  This does not mean I believe your god exists.  It means I think your god, if he was real, is a bit of a prick.  If I believed in a god, the god I would think of wouldn't condone genocide.

    This is the most ridicolous thing i have ever heard in my life......

    What if i said i believe in a higher being that kills little boys, girls, ugly woman, etc........If such a thing doesnt exist, why are you on here countless hours debating the characteristics of something you know doesnt exist?

    It is the most irrational thing i have heard.......If you believe a something doesnt exist, why should you care how we describe it?

    The most stupid thing i have ever heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Get this through your head: I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS

    This doesn't mean I can't attack the god you believe in.  All I'm doing is pointing out that your god has characteristics a god shouldn't have.  This does not mean I believe your god exists.  It means I think your god, if he was real, is a bit of a prick.  If I believed in a god, the god I would think of wouldn't condone genocide.

    This is the most ridicolous thing i have ever heard in my life......

    What if i said i believe in a higher being that kills little boys, girls, ugly woman, etc........If such a thing doesnt exist, why are you on here countless hours debating the characteristics of something you know doesnt exist?

    It is the most irrational thing i have heard.......If you believe a something doesnt exist, why should you care how we describe it?

    The most stupid thing i have ever heard.

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2011 - 5:18 PM ET #3500

    Right now i dont have a girl friend, lets assume you know for a fact i dont have girl friend, however, i go and proceed to say that my girlfriend is an absolute stunner, very wealthy and is the kindest person in the world.

    You know for a fact she doesnt exist, would you start to argue that you dont like her even though you know she doesnt exist?

    Would you be spending countless hours debating that my girlfriend doesnt exist, then start to say you dont like her characteristics?

     

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    Right now i dont have a girl friend, lets assume you know for a fact i dont have girl friend, however, i go and proceed to say that my girlfriend is an absolute stunner, very wealthy and is the kindest person in the world.

    You know for a fact she doesnt exist, would you start to argue that you dont like her even though you know she doesnt exist?

    Would you be spending countless hours debating that my girlfriend doesnt exist, then start to say you dont like her characteristics?

     

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