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I love the fact that aside from the plagiarism, I still haven't had one legitimate attempt from anybody to answer my questions in SIMPLE TERMS so I don't have to spend hours dissecting every dumb sentence... and I could've sworn we were DEBATING something here, can we please stop questioning motives or getting off the subject? I wanna see some evidence, logic, SOMETHING... because right now all you have is blind faith and that's not gonna cut it and the end of the day
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

You can doubt the existence of God all you want but you obviously don't really believe that God doesn't exist because again I ask. Why would you spend countless hours on your smart phones or computer debating something that YOU say doesn't exist. That sounds crazy to me. Maybe I should be like Sugarbear and keep posting until one of you atheist answer the question. I mean really what's your real deal. Is it all just mental masturbation to you guys because there is no way you can be taken seriously at this point.

Apparently they want to wipe out religion, clealry you, i, SJD and co are going to go on a murdering rampage very soon because of our belief....

EVen though Hitler, Stalin and Pot didnt follow religion and murdered 100 mill people, that doesnt count, that is exempt..

Maybe if they did follow religion they might not have killed 100 mill people

 
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And I can speculate that you are a moron.  My parents aren't heartbroken at all.  They let us think for ourselves.  You have some nerve telling me that we must have been around the wrong crowd.  You're implying the "right" crowd contains religious people.

I'm sure you had religious freaks for parents, and I'm sure they're really proud of the closed minded moron they raised...

1. (And I can speculate that you are a moron)....Reply: I can honestly tell you that I'm not a moron.

2. (My parents aren't heartbroken at all)...Reply: Well, maybe they hid it from yall being the loving parents that I assume they are, not wanting to force their religion on yall and upsetting yall on yall's decision.

If up to now at this present time your parents are still practicing Christians, I would be more inclined to believe they must have been heart-brokened way back when their 4 childeren decided to stop believing in Christianity.

They were probably saddened by their thoughts that they aren't going to see their sons and daughter that they love so dearly in paradise with them someday. And are still heart-brokened today but on the otherhand if they themselves are not practicing Christians today then they got over being heart-brokened.

3. (You have some nerve telling me that we must have been around the wrong crowd)...Reply: Relax! Remember I was just speculating besides who are you to tell someone that they got some nerve telling you something, when if one looks back at most of your posts they would clearly see a guy that has a lot of nerves to say the things you say to others.

4. (You're implying the "right" crowd contains religious people)...Reply: No, not at all. There are lots of decent folks who have no religious ties.

5. (I'm sure you had religious freaks for parents)...Reply: No, you're wrong.

6. (I'm sure they're really proud of the closed minded moron they raised)...Reply: Again you're wrong...they're actually really proud of the fine, decent, humble son they raised.
 
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Correction: they must have been heart-brokened way back when their 4 children decided to stop believing in Christianity.

 
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Appeal to motive is a pattern of argument which consists in challenging a thesis by calling into question the motives of its proposer. It can be considered as a special case of the ad hominem circumstantial argument. As such, this type of argument may be a logical fallacy.
Frankly Sugarbear I find you quite boring with your repetitive requests for evidence and proof. There is no evidence and there is no proof so just go on with your pathetic atheist life that you have built for yourself. If you're so confident that your lie is real then why do you need to debate such a foregone conclusion with pions like us. It's apparent that we're way below you in scientific knowledge and any sort of coherent thought. Don't waste your time with dreamers like us. You win. The evidence you seek doesn't exist. We're just delusional.
 
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Hello I don't believe in Santa Claus but I want you to show me proof and evidence that he exists and no matter what you say or do I want believe. To show you how confident I am Santa Claus doesn't exist I will spend countless hours debating you on this very subject even though I don't believe that Santa Claus is real. Yeah that makes perfect sense.
 
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Question for you highly intelligent atheist. If God doesn't exist why do you hate him so much? I mean you're hating something that doesn't exist. How much sense does that make. 
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Oh i get it you don't hate God you hate the people that love God.  Ok why would you have such strong feelings about people who love someone that you insist doesn't exist. But we're the crazy ones right?________________________________________________________
If you loved the Snow God with all your heart I wouldn't get mad at you or condemn you because I know the Snow God isn't real. You see that's how you know when someone is in integrity. Atheist aren't in integrity with themselves because your premise is based on a lie. Junk in = Junk out. Simple science. I challenge you so called atheist. If you truly don't believe God exists then stop posting. If you continue posting stop saying there is no God and just call yourselves anti-Gods because that's what you are. True atheists wouldn't endlessly debate something or ask for proof or evidence if they really believed God doesn't exists. Simple argument don't get it twisted. So there's your challenge. True atheists stop posting. Anti-Gods keep posting so at least we will have some truth on this thread because there are no atheists on this thread. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

Question for you highly intelligent atheist. If God doesn't exist why do you hate him so much? I mean you're hating something that doesn't exist. How much sense does that make. 
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Oh i get it you don't hate God you hate the people that love God.  Ok why would you have such strong feelings about people who love someone that you insist doesn't exist. But we're the crazy ones right?________________________________________________________
If you loved the Snow God with all your heart I wouldn't get mad at you or condemn you because I know the Snow God isn't real. You see that's how you know when someone is in integrity. Atheist aren't in integrity with themselves because your premise is based on a lie. Junk in = Junk out. Simple science. I challenge you so called atheist. If you truly don't believe God exists then stop posting. If you continue posting stop saying there is no God and just call yourselves anti-Gods because that's what you are. True atheists wouldn't endlessly debate something or ask for proof or evidence if they really believed God doesn't exists. Simple argument don't get it twisted. So there's your challenge. True atheists stop posting. Anti-Gods keep posting so at least we will have some truth on this thread because there are no atheists on this thread. 

Clearly your reading comprehension skills are lacking.  We don't hate god or the idea of god.  We also don't hate believers of god.  What we do hate, if you had read what we said, is people who say they KNOW god exists, much like yourself.  If you can't even admit the possibility that a god does not exist, then you are being stubborn, irrational, and closed minded.

Getting back to the hating god part, we hate the christian's description of god.  The way christians portray god makes him sound like an asshole.  He is described as having qualities that logically a god should not have.  He goes on killing sprees and is a jealous god.  Jealous?  A god should be above jealousy.  Christians try to rationalize why he has these qualities, but there is no excuse for it.

Now do you understand?
 
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No I don't understand because  you make no sense. You have clearly stated your hate for God and there are many ways that Christians see and interpret God. So once again you're showing your ignorance when it comes to understanding the differences in Christian beliefs.  The thing that unites Christians despite our differences is that we believe in  God and we believe in the divinity of Jesus. Just because you don't KNOW that there is a God doesn't make us stupid or less intelligent. Most of us KNOW that there is a God and the reason that bothers you is like I have stated many times. Your lack of faith which is fear is the definition of being a Coward. If you touch a hot stove you know better to not touch it again. That is a positive fear that keeps you alive. if you're to die or fight for what you believe in  IE Country, Family, or cause that makes you a Coward. The great Dr. Martin Luther King said "that if a man can't find anything worth dying for than his life isn't fit to live" Your feelings about Christians are hateful because we have the courage to believe in something greater than ourselves. You call it being stupid but those are just words that you hide behind to hide your true fear and that my young friend is your problem along with the rest of your lot. Do you understand?
 
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*If you're afraid to die or fight for what you believe in* IE Country, Family or cause that makes you a Coward.
 
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It's like someone who has been abducted by extraterrestrials. There are many cases of this. They don't care whether you believe them or not. They KNOW what they experienced. Now if you don't believe them that's fine but why on Earth would get mad at them for saying that they KNOW that life exist on other planets. 'Oh I'm mad because they say they KNOW' How do they KNOW.  Well Johnny they KNOW because they have experienced it and neither you nor your Cowardly friends can tell them that they don't KNOW just because you haven't experienced it. 
That's how we Christians and other theists KNOW that God exist because we have experienced God in a personal way and it doesn't matter to us whether you believe or not. God has spoken to me directly on 4 occasions in my life. I don't have to proof that to you or anyone else. You can laugh until the cows come home. It's doesn't change the reality and Truth of what happened. That's the difference between a man who respects others experiences or someone that hides behind a bunch of mumbo jumbo to justify their own BS and thats what all of you have done. If you listen to the Christians on here we may have some philosophical differences but we have the same basic beliefs and the majority of us have experienced God in a very personal way. You will never experience God this way until you have an emergency or crisis in your life. Until then you will continue running and hiding and hating. That sums up your life. I guarantee you if you were in the wrong part of New York and something went down where your life was immediate danger you might find yourself instinctively asking God for help.Your scientific mumbo jumbo aint gonna help when the bullets start flying or a baseball is going upside your head in a robbery attempt. You would be surprise how many atheist find God when faced with life's emergencys. Don't believe me...Google it and see for yourself. Like I said earlier you guys aren't real atheist you just Anti-God! 
 
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I love how you tried to sneak the word "coward" in again and thought we wouldn't notice. Nice try. Go get a dictionary and look up what it means before using it again. K thanks.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

No I don't understand because  you make no sense. You have clearly stated your hate for God and there are many ways that Christians see and interpret God. So once again you're showing your ignorance when it comes to understanding the differences in Christian beliefs.  The thing that unites Christians despite our differences is that we believe in  God and we believe in the divinity of Jesus. Just because you don't KNOW that there is a God doesn't make us stupid or less intelligent. Most of us KNOW that there is a God and the reason that bothers you is like I have stated many times. Your lack of faith which is fear is the definition of being a Coward. If you touch a hot stove you know better to not touch it again. That is a positive fear that keeps you alive. if you're to die or fight for what you believe in  IE Country, Family, or cause that makes you a Coward. The great Dr. Martin Luther King said "that if a man can't find anything worth dying for than his life isn't fit to live" Your feelings about Christians are hateful because we have the courage to believe in something greater than ourselves. You call it being stupid but those are just words that you hide behind to hide your true fear and that my young friend is your problem along with the rest of your lot. Do you understand?

No, you don't KNOW there is a god.  You can't KNOW.  You're a fool if you say you KNOW...

Obviously you were absent the day the word coward was taughtto the class.  Having no faith makes a person a coward?  I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but I assure you it is false.

Do you understand how difficult it is to not believe?

We are afraid to believe?  Is that what you think?  You think we don't want to believe that someone is watching over us and that when we die we get to go to a magical place?  How can a person think this?

A person who believes in heaven because they can't deal with their own mortality = COWARD
A person who believes in heaven because they can't deal with the death of loved ones and want to think they are in a better place = COWARD
A person who believes in god because they want to think someone is watching out for them = COWARD
A person who believes in a god or heaven because that is how they were brought up and don't like to think for themselves or don't like change = COWARD

Shall I keep going?


A person who does not believe because they don't put faith in things without any evidence backing it = NOT A COWARD

 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

It's like someone who has been abducted by extraterrestrials. There are many cases of this. They don't care whether you believe them or not. They KNOW what they experienced. Now if you don't believe them that's fine but why on Earth would get mad at them for saying that they KNOW that life exist on other planets. 'Oh I'm mad because they say they KNOW' How do they KNOW.  Well Johnny they KNOW because they have experienced it and neither you nor your Cowardly friends can tell them that they don't KNOW just because you haven't experienced it. 
That's how we Christians and other theists KNOW that God exist because we have experienced God in a personal way and it doesn't matter to us whether you believe or not. God has spoken to me directly on 4 occasions in my life. I don't have to proof that to you or anyone else. You can laugh until the cows come home. It's doesn't change the reality and Truth of what happened. That's the difference between a man who respects others experiences or someone that hides behind a bunch of mumbo jumbo to justify their own BS and thats what all of you have done. If you listen to the Christians on here we may have some philosophical differences but we have the same basic beliefs and the majority of us have experienced God in a very personal way. You will never experience God this way until you have an emergency or crisis in your life. Until then you will continue running and hiding and hating. That sums up your life. I guarantee you if you were in the wrong part of New York and something went down where your life was immediate danger you might find yourself instinctively asking God for help.Your scientific mumbo jumbo aint gonna help when the bullets start flying or a baseball is going upside your head in a robbery attempt. You would be surprise how many atheist find God when faced with life's emergencys. Don't believe me...Google it and see for yourself. Like I said earlier you guys aren't real atheist you just Anti-God! 

God has spoken to you?  So you're hearing voices?  You should have that checked out...

Your reasoning for our lack of belief is because we have not been in crisis?  So it takes a crisis to convert someone?

A person who needs to believe in god in order to get through a crisis = COWARD
 
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And why is this relevant? Because no one in the history of the human race has ever killed in the name of atheism. Atheism has never caused any wars or mass violence. Only religion. Yes, atheists have capacity for evil, but the reason they perform evil acts is not because of atheism. The reason religious people perform evil acts is because of religion, even if they are misinterpreting religious teachings, religions is still the underlying cause.
Once again we have an atheist conveniently distorting the facts to make their point. Hitler was raised Catholic and became an atheist upon adulthood. Hitler view Christianity as a threat. He was heavily involved in the occult. The only reason he didn't kill more Catholics was because the Catholic Church in Germany with the Pope's blessing made a pact with him to help the Nazis round up the person. If it wasn't for that more Catholics would have been burned with the person and Jehovah's Witnesses. Hitler hated Christians. Stalin was an atheist. The official doctrine of the Communist party in the Soviet Union was that there is no God except the State. Mussolini was thrown out of the Catholic Church and became atheist. Pol Pot was an atheist. These are just 20th Century examples of people who were atheist in belief and actions. History is full of people both atheist and theist who have committed atrocity's towards their fellow man. It always amazes me how atheist twist it all around and act like they are so much better. For a group that considers themselves so smart it's amazing just how uniformed you guys really are. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


God has spoken to you?  So you're hearing voices?  You should have that checked out...

Your reasoning for our lack of belief is because we have not been in crisis?  So it takes a crisis to convert someone?

A person who needs to believe in god in order to get through a crisis = COWARD
You would be amazed that the percentage of people especially those that once considered themselves atheist who became believers  as a result of a crisis. Yes it happens everyday. Instead off poo pooing understand what I'm telling you. 
 
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I use the word Coward because thats what you are.Here is the English World definition of Coward.   
If you think it's easy being a Christian or a theist. Guess again. We are attacked everyday on all levels because of our beliefs. Yes you guys are Cowards because you refuse to acknowledge your own true self. Read the definition closely. Then ask yourselves. 'What am I afraid of'?
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You guys obviously didn't read my post about what a true atheist is. If you did read it and you're still posting. I think it's safe to say at this point that a more accurate term for you guys is anti Gods because you wouldn't spend this time endlessly discussing something that doens't exist. I know this is a hard concept for you to understand because you're so caught up in your ego game that  you have created. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

I use the word Coward because thats what you are.Here is the English World definition of Coward.   
If you think it's easy being a Christian or a theist. Guess again. We are attacked everyday on all levels because of our beliefs. Yes you guys are Cowards because you refuse to acknowledge your own true self. Read the definition closely. Then ask yourselves. 'What am I afraid of'?
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And nothing we do fits in the definition you posted. Thanks for playing.
 
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And nothing we do fits in the definition you posted. Thanks for playing.
You need to put the pipe down son. You have been smoking way too long. Your brain is fried.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

I use the word Coward because thats what you are.Here is the English World definition of Coward.   
If you think it's easy being a Christian or a theist. Guess again. We are attacked everyday on all levels because of our beliefs. Yes you guys are Cowards because you refuse to acknowledge your own true self. Read the definition closely. Then ask yourselves. 'What am I afraid of'?
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"I use the word Coward because thats what you are."  This sounds like your reasoning for god:  "He exists because I believe it."

And who is attacking you?  Are you serious?  America is essentially a christian nation.  You are the majority.  No one is attacking you on a daily basis...

You call us cowards because you think we aren't being true to ourselves?  Where in the definition of coward does it say that?

If you want to say we aren't being genuine, then that is one thing, but a coward?  I assure you we aren't afraid to believe, we just don't let our brains put faith in something with nothing backing it...


You think we are afraid of being persecuted for having faith?  How can a person think this?  YOU ARE THE MAJORITY!!  The majority doesn't get attacked...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

You need to put the pipe down son. You have been smoking way too long. Your brain is fried.


You should have just said, "Okay, you're right.  You don't fit the definition of coward."

That's essentially what this post tells me anyway...
 
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"I use the word Coward because thats what you are."  This sounds like your reasoning for god:  "He exists because I believe it."

And who is attacking you?  Are you serious?  America is essentially a christian nation.  You are the majority.  No one is attacking you on a daily basis...

You call us cowards because you think we aren't being true to ourselves?  Where in the definition of coward does it say that?

If you want to say we aren't being genuine, then that is one thing, but a coward?  I assure you we aren't afraid to believe, we just don't let our brains put faith in something with nothing backing it...


You think we are afraid of being persecuted for having faith?  How can a person think this?  YOU ARE THE MAJORITY!!  The majority doesn't get attacked...
The majority doesn't get attacked? What dimension are you living in? No prayer in schools. Please don't start with the separation of Church and State. That has nothing to do with prayer in schools especially since Congress begins their session each year with a prayer and when we inaugurate the President he puts his hand on the Bible. Some sports teams in High Schools aren't allowed to pray. Some school districts have abolished Bible study on school campus but you can study the Quran. The list goes on and on but it's getting late and some of us have jobs and businesses to run. So once again you're showing just how uniformed you really are with that ridiculous statement. Christianity is under attack daily in this country and worldwide on all different levels. You're only in your early 20's you need to study some recent American history to know that most of this PC crap is relatively new. Things weren't always so retarded in this country. At one point people did have something called common sense but it's not common anymore.
 
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Clearly your reading comprehension skills are lacking.  We don't hate god or the idea of god.  We also don't hate believers of god.  What we do hate, if you had read what we said, is people who say they KNOW god exists, much like yourself.  If you can't even admit the possibility that a god does not exist, then you are being stubborn, irrational, and closed minded.

Getting back to the hating god part, we hate the christian's description of god.  The way christians portray god makes him sound like an asshole.  He is described as having qualities that logically a god should not have.  He goes on killing sprees and is a jealous god.  Jealous?  A god should be above jealousy.  Christians try to rationalize why he has these qualities, but there is no excuse for it.

Now do you understand?

Ok, i am going to be as nice as i can here. I have seen a little door opening believe it or not.

So in this post you said "We don't hate god or the idea of god" then in the very next paragraph you said "we hate the christian's description of god".

You are confused, i dont think you know what is going on TBH.

Then you go and say "He is described as having qualities that logically a god should not have"

For starters these are 2 very very different arguments.....

By describing a characteristic of God, you have admitted he exists. You cannot use a characteristic of God as evidence that he doesnt exist. It is contradictory, because you have no basis or standard to compare how Gods should act.

Lets assume for one moment that as you described, God kills people and he is jelous. Does this prove God doesnt exists? As i said above, you ave described a characterisitc of God, you cant say that is proof that he doesnt exist......

Now, by describing characterics of God, you have admitted he exists, but hate his charatceristics.....

 I will let you take over from here.......Let me ask you this, .What would a good God look like? ie, what characteristics should God have for you to love him?

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Ok, i am going to be as nice as i can here. I have seen a little door opening believe it or not.

So in this post you said "We don't hate god or the idea of god" then in the very next paragraph you said "we hate the christian's description of god".

You are confused, i dont think you know what is going on TBH.

Then you go and say "He is described as having qualities that logically a god should not have"

For starters these are 2 very very different arguments.....

By describing a characteristic of God, you have admitted he exists. You cannot use a characteristic of God as evidence that he doesnt exist. It is contradictory, because you have no basis or standard to compare how Gods should act.

Lets assume for one moment that as you described, God kills people and he is jelous. Does this prove God doesnt exists? As i said above, you ave described a characterisitc of God, you cant say that is proof that he doesnt exist......

Now, by describing characterics of God, you have admitted he exists, but hate his charatceristics.....

 I will let you take over from here.......Let me ask you this, .What would a good God look like? ie, what characteristics should God have for you to love him?


Get this through your head: I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS

This doesn't mean I can't attack the god you believe in.  All I'm doing is pointing out that your god has characteristics a god shouldn't have.  This does not mean I believe your god exists.  It means I think your god, if he was real, is a bit of a prick.  If I believed in a god, the god I would think of wouldn't condone genocide.
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