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    Mikniks
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 4:03 AM ET #5301

    Rostos, are you seriously attempting to argue against evolution?  You think humans coming from apes is a fairytale?  Oh boy... 
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    Rostos, are you seriously attempting to argue against evolution?  You think humans coming from apes is a fairytale?  Oh boy... 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 4:34 AM ET #5302

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Rostos, are you seriously attempting to argue against evolution?  You think humans coming from apes is a fairytale?  Oh boy... 

    I think there is a connection between Apes and humans but something happened. We don't really know the who, what, and why of it. That's why they call it the missing link. But that's ancient history. Let's get to the heart of the matter. You have a scientific analytic mind. Let's deal with the here and now. Investigate one of the cases I presented and prove me wrong. Show me how crazy I am or how this was all a dream that thousands of people experienced. Tell me how we don't know what happened when thousands of people do know what happened and it's all documented. Put your beliefs to the true test. Don't be scared or lazy like the rest of these atheist. Don't be afraid to learn the truth about what's really going on. Do that Mikniks and tell us what you find out.   
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Rostos, are you seriously attempting to argue against evolution?  You think humans coming from apes is a fairytale?  Oh boy... 

    I think there is a connection between Apes and humans but something happened. We don't really know the who, what, and why of it. That's why they call it the missing link. But that's ancient history. Let's get to the heart of the matter. You have a scientific analytic mind. Let's deal with the here and now. Investigate one of the cases I presented and prove me wrong. Show me how crazy I am or how this was all a dream that thousands of people experienced. Tell me how we don't know what happened when thousands of people do know what happened and it's all documented. Put your beliefs to the true test. Don't be scared or lazy like the rest of these atheist. Don't be afraid to learn the truth about what's really going on. Do that Mikniks and tell us what you find out.   
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 4:43 AM ET #5303

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    I think there is a connection between Apes and humans but something happened. We don't really know the who, what, and why of it. That's why they call it the missing link. But that's ancient history. Let's get to the heart of the matter. You have a scientific analytic mind. Let's deal with the here and now. Investigate one of the cases I presented and prove me wrong. Show me how crazy I am or how this was all a dream that thousands of people experienced. Tell me how we don't know what happened when thousands of people do know what happened and it's all documented. Put your beliefs to the true test. Don't be scared or lazy like the rest of these atheist. Don't be afraid to learn the truth about what's really going on. Do that Mikniks and tell us what you find out.   


    Are you talking about the alien stuff?  I'm one of the people that agrees there is alien life outside this solar system.  I'm not sure what you're asking me.  I'll go back and look at what you said.  I just don't feel like doing it now.  I'm off to bed. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    I think there is a connection between Apes and humans but something happened. We don't really know the who, what, and why of it. That's why they call it the missing link. But that's ancient history. Let's get to the heart of the matter. You have a scientific analytic mind. Let's deal with the here and now. Investigate one of the cases I presented and prove me wrong. Show me how crazy I am or how this was all a dream that thousands of people experienced. Tell me how we don't know what happened when thousands of people do know what happened and it's all documented. Put your beliefs to the true test. Don't be scared or lazy like the rest of these atheist. Don't be afraid to learn the truth about what's really going on. Do that Mikniks and tell us what you find out.   


    Are you talking about the alien stuff?  I'm one of the people that agrees there is alien life outside this solar system.  I'm not sure what you're asking me.  I'll go back and look at what you said.  I just don't feel like doing it now.  I'm off to bed. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 4:49 AM ET #5304

    Atheist philosophy-We evolved from Apes which nobody has made a direct connection. Even though we have similar genetics the direct link hasn't been discovered. Atheist hold true to this theory of evolution. 
    UFO's are not real because we have no evidence of life on other planets. Yet we have thousands of well documented cases of these encounters but somehow that doesn't mean anything to the atheist because these people were all dreaming and didn't know what was happening. 
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    Now if I presented this to a person just on its face without regard to their own beliefs I think any reasonable person could see that there is something fundamentally wrong with these approaches. On one hand atheist put all their beliefs in a theory (and that's what it is) based on opinion with no direct link to anything while on the other hand rejecting events that are collaborated and well documented. These events are even documented by the very same government that says it didn't happened and these documents are found under the freedom of information act once they have been declassified and censored many years later. More times than not the people directly involved have died. Now why would the government document incidents that (a) never happened officially (b) they had a rational explanation for these incidents but the papers on them aren't released for decades. Why would they also have a need to censor documents if nothing really happened and we're just talking about "weather balloons" and Earthly phenomena. I'm just trying to get people to think about what they're really thinking here. I'm asking atheist to use their logic on other areas and not cherry pick what you say you believe.  
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    Atheist philosophy-We evolved from Apes which nobody has made a direct connection. Even though we have similar genetics the direct link hasn't been discovered. Atheist hold true to this theory of evolution. 
    UFO's are not real because we have no evidence of life on other planets. Yet we have thousands of well documented cases of these encounters but somehow that doesn't mean anything to the atheist because these people were all dreaming and didn't know what was happening. 
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    Now if I presented this to a person just on its face without regard to their own beliefs I think any reasonable person could see that there is something fundamentally wrong with these approaches. On one hand atheist put all their beliefs in a theory (and that's what it is) based on opinion with no direct link to anything while on the other hand rejecting events that are collaborated and well documented. These events are even documented by the very same government that says it didn't happened and these documents are found under the freedom of information act once they have been declassified and censored many years later. More times than not the people directly involved have died. Now why would the government document incidents that (a) never happened officially (b) they had a rational explanation for these incidents but the papers on them aren't released for decades. Why would they also have a need to censor documents if nothing really happened and we're just talking about "weather balloons" and Earthly phenomena. I'm just trying to get people to think about what they're really thinking here. I'm asking atheist to use their logic on other areas and not cherry pick what you say you believe.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 5:02 AM ET #5305

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Are you talking about the alien stuff?  I'm one of the people that agrees there is alien life outside this solar system.  I'm not sure what you're asking me.  I'll go back and look at what you said.  I just don't feel like doing it now.  I'm off to bed. 
    My hypothesis is simply this. Let's take God/Higher Power out of the picture for a moment. If Earth is the only life form in the Universe I think it's safe to say that the likelihood that this is all an accident could be argued. However if there is intelligent life on any other planet I think that with each successive planet that there is life the likelihood that this is all one big accident decreases significantly with each planet with life. If we're talking thousands or millions of planets that chance of accidental creation  falls to 0%. By just doing simple math the possibililty of accidental life on millions of planets is completely impossible. So in conclusion the atheist argument of no higher power or intelligent design falls completely flat on just this one issue. This is key to the atheist argument. You can't have it both ways. You can't go by science and then when science and math go against you say well "we don't know for sure" There is a lot we don't know for sure like the whole Ape argument but every atheist holds their hat on evolution. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Are you talking about the alien stuff?  I'm one of the people that agrees there is alien life outside this solar system.  I'm not sure what you're asking me.  I'll go back and look at what you said.  I just don't feel like doing it now.  I'm off to bed. 
    My hypothesis is simply this. Let's take God/Higher Power out of the picture for a moment. If Earth is the only life form in the Universe I think it's safe to say that the likelihood that this is all an accident could be argued. However if there is intelligent life on any other planet I think that with each successive planet that there is life the likelihood that this is all one big accident decreases significantly with each planet with life. If we're talking thousands or millions of planets that chance of accidental creation  falls to 0%. By just doing simple math the possibililty of accidental life on millions of planets is completely impossible. So in conclusion the atheist argument of no higher power or intelligent design falls completely flat on just this one issue. This is key to the atheist argument. You can't have it both ways. You can't go by science and then when science and math go against you say well "we don't know for sure" There is a lot we don't know for sure like the whole Ape argument but every atheist holds their hat on evolution. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 5:10 AM ET #5306

    Now to throw another curveball at atheist. We haven't even touch on the theory of parallel Universes or multi verses. Even your hero Hawking has acknowledged that in his writings. Thats way more abstract than UFO's but again the point is how could we have accidental parallel Universes if that is true. It's like we told you guys a long time ago. The deeper you go into science the more you realize that this is so complex and ordered that only an ostrich would think that this some kind of accident. That is a true fairy tale friends. Let me tell about a Universe that is so complex with life on millions of planets and its all an accident. With laws already in place. Some laws we haven't even discovered. Like the possibility of worm holes but it's an accident. No higher power created this. It just popped up out of nowhere one day in this perfect order. Wow. Talk about a bed time story. I'm out! Still waiting for atheist to get off their lazy duffs and explained this all away for us.  Good night.
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    Now to throw another curveball at atheist. We haven't even touch on the theory of parallel Universes or multi verses. Even your hero Hawking has acknowledged that in his writings. Thats way more abstract than UFO's but again the point is how could we have accidental parallel Universes if that is true. It's like we told you guys a long time ago. The deeper you go into science the more you realize that this is so complex and ordered that only an ostrich would think that this some kind of accident. That is a true fairy tale friends. Let me tell about a Universe that is so complex with life on millions of planets and its all an accident. With laws already in place. Some laws we haven't even discovered. Like the possibility of worm holes but it's an accident. No higher power created this. It just popped up out of nowhere one day in this perfect order. Wow. Talk about a bed time story. I'm out! Still waiting for atheist to get off their lazy duffs and explained this all away for us.  Good night.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 8:06 AM ET #5307

    Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?

    Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were?  These people lived in caves and shit in the streets. 

    If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat.  Here is something called penicliin.  Germs are micro-organisms causing disease.  Have a great day."

    That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.

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    Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?

    Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were?  These people lived in caves and shit in the streets. 

    If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat.  Here is something called penicliin.  Germs are micro-organisms causing disease.  Have a great day."

    That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 10:22 AM ET #5308

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?

    Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were?  These people lived in caves and shit in the streets. 

    If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat.  Here is something called penicliin.  Germs are micro-organisms causing disease.  Have a great day."

    That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.

    There is so much wrong with your thought process it isnt funny. To think that you think you are intelligent is bizarre....

    Does the bible say the earth is flat? I want to know where the bible says the earth is flat. You making up things again?

    Just like all atheists, your idea of God is that for him to exist, he would be some sort of Genie......

    Where did it go all wrong for you Vanzack? Where did it all go wrong....

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?

    Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were?  These people lived in caves and shit in the streets. 

    If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat.  Here is something called penicliin.  Germs are micro-organisms causing disease.  Have a great day."

    That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.

    There is so much wrong with your thought process it isnt funny. To think that you think you are intelligent is bizarre....

    Does the bible say the earth is flat? I want to know where the bible says the earth is flat. You making up things again?

    Just like all atheists, your idea of God is that for him to exist, he would be some sort of Genie......

    Where did it go all wrong for you Vanzack? Where did it all go wrong....

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 10:26 AM ET #5309

    Its quite simple really....

    1. All things that begin to exist have a cause

    2. The universe (including space, time and matter began to exist)

    3. Therefore the universe has a cause that is spaceless, timeless and immaterial...

    Its really that simple..........

    Debunk that self confessed intellects........

    I dont expect it to be debunked, rather, i expect a typical covers response, which is "your an idiot"...or best of all, it gets ignored.....and you claim you are intellects...

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    Its quite simple really....

    1. All things that begin to exist have a cause

    2. The universe (including space, time and matter began to exist)

    3. Therefore the universe has a cause that is spaceless, timeless and immaterial...

    Its really that simple..........

    Debunk that self confessed intellects........

    I dont expect it to be debunked, rather, i expect a typical covers response, which is "your an idiot"...or best of all, it gets ignored.....and you claim you are intellects...

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 12:12 PM ET #5310

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?

    Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were?  These people lived in caves and shit in the streets. 

    If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat.  Here is something called penicliin.  Germs are micro-organisms causing disease.  Have a great day."

    That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.

    Vanzack you are Exhibit A in the "lazy atheist" what you wrote has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Please use the brain that you were furnished with and put some work in. I'm begging you to prove me wrong. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Smoothd - who do you think is going to read all of that?

    Look - you guys realize that your bible was written by people who thought the world was flat and had no idea what germs were?  These people lived in caves and shit in the streets. 

    If Jesus really wanted to help humanity - instead of dying - why didnt he just simply say "hey, you know - you guys dont have to die from a sore throat.  Here is something called penicliin.  Germs are micro-organisms causing disease.  Have a great day."

    That alone would have done exponentially more for humanity than dying on the cross.

    Vanzack you are Exhibit A in the "lazy atheist" what you wrote has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Please use the brain that you were furnished with and put some work in. I'm begging you to prove me wrong. 
     
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    Just a thought. Are atheism and intelligence oxymorons? I'm truly beginning to wonder. Based on this thread atheism is closely related to laziness, delusional thought patterns and avoidance psychosis. I have never seen a group of people stuck in such BS in my entire life.  
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    Just a thought. Are atheism and intelligence oxymorons? I'm truly beginning to wonder. Based on this thread atheism is closely related to laziness, delusional thought patterns and avoidance psychosis. I have never seen a group of people stuck in such BS in my entire life.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 12:30 PM ET #5312

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    That's too funny! Imagine a gal like system believes that her great great great grandpa was an ape...hihihihihihi!

    Hu hu ha ha ha...hu hu ha ha ha!

    Please tell me that System isn't a woman. That would be an insult to women everywhere. Women in general are much smarter than men anyways. This would be a terrible blow for womanhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    That's too funny! Imagine a gal like system believes that her great great great grandpa was an ape...hihihihihihi!

    Hu hu ha ha ha...hu hu ha ha ha!

    Please tell me that System isn't a woman. That would be an insult to women everywhere. Women in general are much smarter than men anyways. This would be a terrible blow for womanhood.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Please tell me that System isn't a woman. That would be an insult to women everywhere. Women in general are much smarter than men anyways. This would be a terrible blow for womanhood.

    She is part female ape and part female human...hihihihihi!

    Hu hu ha ha ha!...hu hu ha ha ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Please tell me that System isn't a woman. That would be an insult to women everywhere. Women in general are much smarter than men anyways. This would be a terrible blow for womanhood.

    She is part female ape and part female human...hihihihihi!

    Hu hu ha ha ha!...hu hu ha ha ha!

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 2:07 PM ET #5314

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    She is part female ape and part female human...hihihihihi!

    Hu hu ha ha ha!...hu hu ha ha ha!


    Now it's you and smooth 


    by the way...you still can't ignore me...pathetic my puppet

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    She is part female ape and part female human...hihihihihi!

    Hu hu ha ha ha!...hu hu ha ha ha!


    Now it's you and smooth 


    by the way...you still can't ignore me...pathetic my puppet

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 2:17 PM ET #5315

    I think I hit a nerve...lol

    Hu hu ha ha ha! hu hu ha ha ha!

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    I think I hit a nerve...lol

    Hu hu ha ha ha! hu hu ha ha ha!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I think I hit a nerve...lol

    Hu hu ha ha ha! hu hu ha ha ha!


    you'll have to ask smooth about that
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I think I hit a nerve...lol

    Hu hu ha ha ha! hu hu ha ha ha!


    you'll have to ask smooth about that
     
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    The First Cause Argument (Part 3)

    Saint Thomas has four versions of this basic argument.

    First, he argues that the chain of movers must have a first mover because nothing can move itself. (Moving here refers to any kind of change, not just change of place.) If the whole chain of moving things had no first mover, it could not now be moving, as it is. If there were an infinite regress of movers with no first mover, no motion could ever begin, and if it never began, it could not go on and exist now. But it does go on, it does exist now. Therefore it began, and therefore there is a first mover.

    Second, he expands the proof from proving a cause of motion to proving a cause of existence, or efficient cause. He argues that if there were no first efficient cause, or cause of the universe's coming into being, then there could be no second causes because second causes (i.e., caused causes) are dependent on (i.e., caused by) a first cause (i.e., an uncaused cause). But there are second causes all around us. Therefore there must be a first cause.

    Third, he argues that if there were no eternal, necessary, and immortal being, if everything had a possibility of not being, of ceasing to be, then eventually this possibility of ceasing to be would be realized for everything. In other words, if everything could die, then, given infinite time, everything would eventually die. But in that case nothing could start up again. We would have universal death, for a being that has ceased to exist cannot cause itself or anything else to begin to exist again. And if there is no God, then there must have been infinite time, the universe must have been here always, with no beginning, no first cause. But this universal death has not happened; things do exist! Therefore there must be a necessary being that cannot not be, cannot possibly cease to be. That is a description of God.

    Fourth, there must also be a first cause of perfection or goodness or value. We rank things as more or less perfect or good or valuable. Unless this ranking is false and meaningless, unless souls don't really have any more perfection than slugs, there must be a real standard of perfection to make such a hierarchy possible, for a thing is ranked higher on the hierarchy of perfection only insofar as it is closer to the standard, the ideal, the most perfect. Unless there is a most-perfect being to be that real standard of perfection, all our value judgments are meaningless and impossible. Such a most-perfect being, or real ideal standard of perfection, is another description of God.

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    The First Cause Argument (Part 3)

    Saint Thomas has four versions of this basic argument.

    First, he argues that the chain of movers must have a first mover because nothing can move itself. (Moving here refers to any kind of change, not just change of place.) If the whole chain of moving things had no first mover, it could not now be moving, as it is. If there were an infinite regress of movers with no first mover, no motion could ever begin, and if it never began, it could not go on and exist now. But it does go on, it does exist now. Therefore it began, and therefore there is a first mover.

    Second, he expands the proof from proving a cause of motion to proving a cause of existence, or efficient cause. He argues that if there were no first efficient cause, or cause of the universe's coming into being, then there could be no second causes because second causes (i.e., caused causes) are dependent on (i.e., caused by) a first cause (i.e., an uncaused cause). But there are second causes all around us. Therefore there must be a first cause.

    Third, he argues that if there were no eternal, necessary, and immortal being, if everything had a possibility of not being, of ceasing to be, then eventually this possibility of ceasing to be would be realized for everything. In other words, if everything could die, then, given infinite time, everything would eventually die. But in that case nothing could start up again. We would have universal death, for a being that has ceased to exist cannot cause itself or anything else to begin to exist again. And if there is no God, then there must have been infinite time, the universe must have been here always, with no beginning, no first cause. But this universal death has not happened; things do exist! Therefore there must be a necessary being that cannot not be, cannot possibly cease to be. That is a description of God.

    Fourth, there must also be a first cause of perfection or goodness or value. We rank things as more or less perfect or good or valuable. Unless this ranking is false and meaningless, unless souls don't really have any more perfection than slugs, there must be a real standard of perfection to make such a hierarchy possible, for a thing is ranked higher on the hierarchy of perfection only insofar as it is closer to the standard, the ideal, the most perfect. Unless there is a most-perfect being to be that real standard of perfection, all our value judgments are meaningless and impossible. Such a most-perfect being, or real ideal standard of perfection, is another description of God.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 4:54 PM ET #5318

    Its quite simple really....

    1. All things that begin to exist have a cause

    ________________

    This is an intriguing argument.  But why doesn't it apply to God?

    I know, I know, we are on to the supernatural and our scientific "laws" don't apply.  How do we know?  Then why does it have to be God that created the universe?  Couldn't it just as easily be a supernatural entity we don't yet know of or understand?  How can we claim to understand the supernatural?  Does understanding the supernatural mean seeing a UFO or having an out of body experience?  Not for me.  

    Explain how the supernatural can exist from nothing, but our world cannot. 

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    Its quite simple really....

    1. All things that begin to exist have a cause

    ________________

    This is an intriguing argument.  But why doesn't it apply to God?

    I know, I know, we are on to the supernatural and our scientific "laws" don't apply.  How do we know?  Then why does it have to be God that created the universe?  Couldn't it just as easily be a supernatural entity we don't yet know of or understand?  How can we claim to understand the supernatural?  Does understanding the supernatural mean seeing a UFO or having an out of body experience?  Not for me.  

    Explain how the supernatural can exist from nothing, but our world cannot. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 5:48 PM ET #5319

    Just a thought. Are atheism and intelligence oxymorons? I'm truly beginning to wonder. Based on this thread atheism is closely related to laziness, delusional thought patterns and avoidance psychosis
    ___________________

    What does laziness, delusional thought patterns, and avoidance psychosis have to do with intelligence?  If you were intelligent, you'd know that these can absolutely be mutually exclusive and often are.    
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    Just a thought. Are atheism and intelligence oxymorons? I'm truly beginning to wonder. Based on this thread atheism is closely related to laziness, delusional thought patterns and avoidance psychosis
    ___________________

    What does laziness, delusional thought patterns, and avoidance psychosis have to do with intelligence?  If you were intelligent, you'd know that these can absolutely be mutually exclusive and often are.    
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 5:50 PM ET #5320

    SJD- I'm wondering how you figured that out or did System tell you she was a woman. I could have sworn it was a dude. 
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    SJD- I'm wondering how you figured that out or did System tell you she was a woman. I could have sworn it was a dude. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 5:52 PM ET #5321

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Just a thought. Are atheism and intelligence oxymorons? I'm truly beginning to wonder. Based on this thread atheism is closely related to laziness, delusional thought patterns and avoidance psychosis
    ___________________

    What does laziness, delusional thought patterns, and avoidance psychosis have to do with intelligence?  If you were intelligent, you'd know that these can absolutely be mutually exclusive and often are.    
    Put some work in Hutch and stop avoiding the issue. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Just a thought. Are atheism and intelligence oxymorons? I'm truly beginning to wonder. Based on this thread atheism is closely related to laziness, delusional thought patterns and avoidance psychosis
    ___________________

    What does laziness, delusional thought patterns, and avoidance psychosis have to do with intelligence?  If you were intelligent, you'd know that these can absolutely be mutually exclusive and often are.    
    Put some work in Hutch and stop avoiding the issue. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 5:54 PM ET #5322

    On a different subject. I'm not sure if any of you atheist joined the NCAA pool or not but payouts have been announced. I know you guys lead some boring lives but I would think a little contest would at least get you going again. After all this is a sports capping site. 
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    On a different subject. I'm not sure if any of you atheist joined the NCAA pool or not but payouts have been announced. I know you guys lead some boring lives but I would think a little contest would at least get you going again. After all this is a sports capping site. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2012 - 8:39 PM ET #5323

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    SJD- I'm wondering how you figured that out or did System tell you she was a woman. I could have sworn it was a dude. 

    you're not very smart, are you
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    SJD- I'm wondering how you figured that out or did System tell you she was a woman. I could have sworn it was a dude. 

    you're not very smart, are you
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2012 - 10:09 AM ET #5324

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Put some work in Hutch and stop avoiding the issue. 

    Avoiding what issue?  And I've put in plenty of work.  


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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Put some work in Hutch and stop avoiding the issue. 

    Avoiding what issue?  And I've put in plenty of work.  


     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2012 - 10:10 AM ET #5325

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Its quite simple really....

    1. All things that begin to exist have a cause

    ________________

    This is an intriguing argument.  But why doesn't it apply to God?

    I know, I know, we are on to the supernatural and our scientific "laws" don't apply.  How do we know?  Then why does it have to be God that created the universe?  Couldn't it just as easily be a supernatural entity we don't yet know of or understand?  How can we claim to understand the supernatural?  Does understanding the supernatural mean seeing a UFO or having an out of body experience?  Not for me.  

    Explain how the supernatural can exist from nothing, but our world cannot. 


    And stop telling me to put in "some work" and answer my question.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Its quite simple really....

    1. All things that begin to exist have a cause

    ________________

    This is an intriguing argument.  But why doesn't it apply to God?

    I know, I know, we are on to the supernatural and our scientific "laws" don't apply.  How do we know?  Then why does it have to be God that created the universe?  Couldn't it just as easily be a supernatural entity we don't yet know of or understand?  How can we claim to understand the supernatural?  Does understanding the supernatural mean seeing a UFO or having an out of body experience?  Not for me.  

    Explain how the supernatural can exist from nothing, but our world cannot. 


    And stop telling me to put in "some work" and answer my question.  
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