Opening Game Favorite Chase 246-7 for 2009

awesome starting to understand the system. This is last question and is a question for clarification.

Lets says after chasing 4 teams in 4 different week end series the results were this:

1 A bet win

2 teams win B bet

1 team loses C bet

the line is going to be 5-5-5-5.

there are 4 team chase series starting on monday.  Do you just pick one of the 4 teams to play the 5-5 line and the rest to play the 5-5-5-5-x.  Is this the same with the B bets when they come up, just pick a team that this is hitting that bet b/c of an  A bet loss?

Jake,

not quite sure of what you are asking.... if you are only using 1 line labby just play all the new games on the sum of the outside numbers.  In your example play to win 10.  If you are running a 3 line labby you would play all the A games on your first line outside two numbers.  Then your B games on line 2's numbers, etc.  Just make sure you are updating your lines every day after subtracting your winnings and losses.  Just be careful in how many numbers you add with a loss.  The more numbers you add the more wins you have to have to get ahead.  This is why I play 3 line aggressive labby.  say you start all your lines with 5's and lose round 1 game.  Instead of putting a new number you can add it to the last number of your line.  So if you lost 10 in game 1

5-5-5-10

5-5-5-10

5-5-5-5    if you split your loss between line 1 and two.  You will be making larger game 2 wagers but you will also be making profit and/or recouping losses more quickly

I have listed different data.  Part of it talks about playing all games -190 or higher regardless of where that game is in the chase on the -1.5 RL, this will add a couple of losses per year.  I also have data listed as if you were to play all games in every chase on the -1.5 RL regardless of what the odds are.  Obviously the first game will be -150 or higher but this data applies to playing -1.5 RL even if the team is a dog in game 2 or 3 until they win by 2 or more.

Jake,

Looked at your previous post.  Looks like you weren't going to split the losses between the lines which is a fine way to play the lines.  I think the answer to your question is that you should play all of the new series games to win the amount of the outside two numbers in your first line.  You would not address the other lines until you get to lines two or three.  I guess in theory if you wanted to pick teams to start on different lines that would be fine but it can get confusing who is where and where to put your winnings. 

thanks for the help but lets say the four team week end chase begins with Stl, Houston, SD, and Oak.  All made up of course.  Each team has the line 5-5-5-5.

Fri Stl wins leaving their line 5-5

Fri Houst loses making their line for A bet 5-5-5-5-17.  Since 17 to win 10 loses

The Bet for Sat would be to win 10, since the sat line is 5-5-5-5

Sat Houst wins their B leaving their B bet line 5-5

Same thing for SD using the houston line

On Fri Oakland the lose making their line for A bet 5-5-5-5-15

Saturday Oak line is 5-5-5-5, they lose this B bet leaving to line 5-5-5-5-15

Sunday Oak line is 5-5-5-5, they lose this c bet to win 10 with the c line now 5-5-5-5-12

The next series of chases starts on monday

the question is this.  There is a line for A bets at 5-5, 5-5-5-5-17, 5-5-5-5-17, and 5-5-5-5-15.  With this new teams that are going to be chased starting monday, who gets assigned the various outstanding A bet lines?

I think i am really off with trying to understand the second time around after the first set of team series ends and other begins.

Rizz  do you carry the lines over to the next series if you have not crossed all the numbers off in the first series?

The problem you are having is that sometimes more than one game starts on the same day at the same time. I would take some of the lines that are getting a little longer and spread the numbers into the other lines to balance them out. That is just me though. Interested to hear how others would do this.

Plays for 5/3:

System record 43-2-1

Additional series 3-0-0

Series       Game   Time       Teams        o/u      TR diff  

*Series #51 (G1) 7:05     bal @ NYY -305,RL  9        7.8             

--Series #52 (G1) 7:10       laa @ BOS -174     9.5   -3.3

*Series #53 (G1)  8:10        kc @ CWS -174    9.5    -2.4  

Series #54 (G1) 10:05       COL -136 @ sd      6.5    -4.6            

**meet o/u filter of 9+

---bos, cws, col have lower rpi than opponents, will not play BOS series please see previous post---

watch the colorado play closely, high TR difference, low series price, and line dropped quite a bit.  Still a play based on opening line, but be careful this is what happened with the seattle line

CIN a play if line closes -150

TR diffs(for reference only)

Series Prices (for future reference only)

NYY -450

COL -110

BOS -240

CWS -240

Game 1 wins =30

Game 2 wins = 11

Game 3 wins = 2

*Losses = 2 , -27.8U

*units lost reflects playing all games on the ML martingale for 3 games, not recommended*

Lets run some sample labby lines so everyone can try to get this figured out.  This is how I would start these plays

5-5-5-5, bet CWS, BOS 17 to win 10, COL 14, NYY 15 (RL)

5-5-5-5

5-5-5-5

This might help:

6/18/09 - Latest Labourchere Update

One of the drawbacks of the Labourchere or one of the complaints people have always had since I introduced it to Covers.com in 2008 was that it wasn't really practical for baseball when you have favorites or better teams that can be -150+.  Additionally, for NBA  people who wanted to buy the "3" points on some systems couldn't really use the labourchere effectively laying -170 each time because we were betting to risk.

Problems Solved!

Our number 1 goal when the stats team and I had got together recently was to find a way to use the Labourchere and bet to WIN therefor making it the best money managment method for EVERY sport.  I think we succeeded and I'm happy to share the results with everyone.

I'm not going to go into the bitter details of going 5 years back and all that but instead I'm going to focus on how you use it.

First, like our updated research before you will have a line for EACH GAME NUMBER in the system you are using.  So if your system is a two game chase you'll have a GAME 1 line and a GAME 2 line.  If it's a 3 game or 4 game.....you'll set up lines  accoding to how many game numbers you have.

Ok let's get to examples and how it works.

For this example we'll say that we have a 3 game system and you're going to start with a $100.  Remember we always bet the total of the outside 2 numbers as highlighted below..

Game 1: 50-50-50-50

Game 2: 50-50-50-50

Game 3: 50-50-50-50

Our first bet will now bet to WIN 100.  We will no longer be betting risk but to WIN.  Let's say your team was-150 and they lost.    Instead of putting the 150 on the end of line 1 and having a situation where your next game 1 bet is already double what your original bet was we're going to SPLIT the 150 in two and  put 75 on line 1 and DROP 75 down to line 2.  Your lines will now look like this:

Game 1: 50-50-50-50-75

Game 2: 50-50-50-50-75

Game 3: 50-50-50-50

We are Splitting the loss amount for 2 reasons.  1. We want to prevent 1 bad run from making our lines completely out of control in comparison to our bankroll.   2. We want to take advantage of the fact that most system plays get stronger from game 1 to 2 to 3.

So instead of just relying on Game 1 to pick up our losses why not let game 2, typically a stronger game, do some of the work and get back part of your game 1 losses?   It makes sense and it works.

How do you handle multiple games?   Well lets say for example that you had two game

2's today and you were using the line above that called for a $125 WIN wager.   If you have an early game and a late game you would bet the 125 on the early game and after the results you would adjust your line according to the results and bet your late game by what the line calls for.   Let's say you have a 7pm eastern and a 10:05 eastern.   You bet 180 to win 125 on your early game and it loses.....your game 2 line would be: 50-50-50-50-75-90

and your Game 3 line would be: 50-50-50-50-90 (remember we split the total of your game 2 loss and keep half on the game 2 line and drop half to game 3.

So the wager on your late game would be to WIN 140.  If that wins you'd adjust your game 2 line accordingly:    X-50-50-50-75-X

What if, going back to the game 2 line of: 50-50-50-50-75, both of our games are 7pm eastern and there is not time gap.  Very simple I play all games to whatever the line calls for at that time.  If I had 3 game 2's and they were all 7pm I would play them all to win 125 and adjust my lines at the end of the day according to the results.

Are you starting to get the hang of it?

Q: How do I adjust my line at the end of the day with varying amounts?

A: Lets use our lines.....

Game 1 - 50-50-50-50

Game 2 - 50-50-50-50

Game 3 - 50-50-50-50

So we have 3 game 1's starting today we risk 150 to win 100, we risk 105 to win 100, and we risk 130 to win 100.   The -150 game wins and the other 2 lose so here is how we adjust our lines.........

First subtract your winner and your game 1 would look like below.

Game 1 - X-50-50-X

Game 2 - 50-50-50-50

Game 3 - 50-50-50-50

Next, add the losing wagers to your lines......you lost 105 and 130 so you would add 65(130/2) and 53(105/2 rounded up)  I add the smallest number first then the larger so now your lines after the days wagers would look like:

Game 1 - X-50-50-53-65

Game 2 - 50-50-50-50-53-65

Game 3 - 50-50-50-50

Now for game 2 lets say you just bet both games to WIN 115.  (You have that option.  For those of you who like to put your bets in early and i do this all the time...I just make all my bets for the day at whatever the line calls for so in this case all my game 2's would be

to win 115.

If both of your Game 2 wagers win simply adjust your lines and get ready for your next qualifying plays.  Here is what your final lines would look like after your game 2 winners.

Since you won 2 games you would clear out two sets of winning numbers.

Game 1 - X-50-50-53-65

Game 2 - X-X-50-50-X-X

Game 3 - 50-50-50-50

Overall if you understand the Labourchere,  you'll understand this.   All you're doing is betting to win and if you lose your wager take your total wager/2 and put half on the line you were on and slide half down to the next line.    If you are on a game 3 of 3 and it loses....put half the total on your game 3 line and bring the other half up to game 1 line.

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Are you starting to get the hang of it?

Q: How do I adjust my line at the end of the day with varying amounts?

A: Lets use our lines.....

Game 1 - 50-50-50-50

Game 2 - 50-50-50-50

Game 3 - 50-50-50-50

So we have 3 game 1's starting today we risk 150 to win 100, we risk 105 to win 100, and we risk 130 to win 100.   The -150 game wins and the other 2 lose so here is how we adjust our lines.........

First subtract your winner and your game 1 would look like below.

Game 1 - X-50-50-X

Game 2 - 50-50-50-50

Game 3 - 50-50-50-50

Next, add the losing wagers to your lines......you lost 105 and 130 so you would add 65(130/2) and 53(105/2 rounded up)  I add the smallest number first then the larger so now your lines after the days wagers would look like:

Game 1 - X-50-50-53-65

Game 2 - 50-50-50-50-53-65

Game 3 - 50-50-50-50

Now for game 2 lets say you just bet both games to WIN 115.  (You have that option.  For those of you who like to put your bets in early and i do this all the time...I just make all my bets for the day at whatever the line calls for so in this case all my game 2's would be

to win 115.

If both of your Game 2 wagers win simply adjust your lines and get ready for your next qualifying plays.  Here is what your final lines would look like after your game 2 winners.

Since you won 2 games you would clear out two sets of winning numbers.

Game 1 - X-50-50-53-65

Game 2 - X-X-50-50-X-X

Game 3 - 50-50-50-50

Overall if you understand the Labourchere,  you'll understand this.   All you're doing is betting to win and if you lose your wager take your total wager/2 and put half on the line you were on and slide half down to the next line.    If you are on a game 3 of 3 and it loses....put half the total on your game 3 line and bring the other half up to game 1 line.

 

jakeandba

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Joined: Jan, 2010

Posts: 133

Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 7:34 PM ET #444

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thank you very much for the explanation

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thank you very much for the explanation

 

deken00

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Posts: 29

Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 9:46 PM ET #445

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nolemanasses,

I get the underlying premise but do not quite understand the sequence.  What does Game 1, Game 2, Game 3 represent?  Is it if you have three plays using the system in one night then you approach it this way?  Or is it if you have three games in a series for a certain team?  Does it reset every night?  Secondly, what is the purpose of knocking numbers off of each side if it does reset?  I think I am having a little difficulty with the terminology.

Any help would be appreciated.  I have been following Rizz on his other system and find both threads to be constructive dialogue.

Deken00   

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nolemanasses,

I get the underlying premise but do not quite understand the sequence.  What does Game 1, Game 2, Game 3 represent?  Is it if you have three plays using the system in one night then you approach it this way?  Or is it if you have three games in a series for a certain team?  Does it reset every night?  Secondly, what is the purpose of knocking numbers off of each side if it does reset?  I think I am having a little difficulty with the terminology.

Any help would be appreciated.  I have been following Rizz on his other system and find both threads to be constructive dialogue.

Deken00   

 

deken00

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Joined: Oct, 2008

Posts: 29

Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 9:47 PM ET #446

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Quote Originally Posted by deken00:

nolemanasses,

I get the underlying premise but do not quite understand the sequence.  What does Game 1, Game 2, Game 3 represent?  Is it if you have three plays using the system in one night then you approach it this way?  Or is it if you have three games in a series for a certain team?  Does it reset every night?  Secondly, what is the purpose of knocking numbers off of each side if it does reset?  I think I am having a little difficulty with the terminology.

Any help would be appreciated.  I have been following Rizz on his other system and find both threads to be constructive dialogue.

Deken00   

Sorry for the name miss, dropped an a instead of an o

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Quote Originally Posted by deken00:

nolemanasses,

I get the underlying premise but do not quite understand the sequence.  What does Game 1, Game 2, Game 3 represent?  Is it if you have three plays using the system in one night then you approach it this way?  Or is it if you have three games in a series for a certain team?  Does it reset every night?  Secondly, what is the purpose of knocking numbers off of each side if it does reset?  I think I am having a little difficulty with the terminology.

Any help would be appreciated.  I have been following Rizz on his other system and find both threads to be constructive dialogue.

Deken00   

Sorry for the name miss, dropped an a instead of an o

 

cdmop

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Joined: Sep, 2009

Posts: 318

Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 9:51 PM ET #447

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BOS glad i decided to trust the system on this one. 

NY

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BOS glad i decided to trust the system on this one. 

NY

 

therizz

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Joined: Mar, 2010

Posts: 2304

Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 10:08 PM ET #448

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Quote Originally Posted by deken00:

nolemanasses,

I get the underlying premise but do not quite understand the sequence.  What does Game 1, Game 2, Game 3 represent?  Is it if you have three plays using the system in one night then you approach it this way?  Or is it if you have three games in a series for a certain team?  Does it reset every night?  Secondly, what is the purpose of knocking numbers off of each side if it does reset?  I think I am having a little difficulty with the terminology.

Any help would be appreciated.  I have been following Rizz on his other system and find both threads to be constructive dialogue.

Deken00   

Game 1, 2, and 3 just represent the games in a series.  For example tonight we have 4 game #1's.  The amount you play on these games are dictated by the numbers in line 1 of your labby.  The teams that lose will move down to line 2 for their next game and those that lose in game 2 will move to line 3.  The idea of the 3 lines is to distribute the burden between all the lines and/or games in the series.  In a straight martingale the bets get progressively larger in game 1, then 2, and very large for game 3 bets.  The idea of labby is to spread it out.  If you lose a few games you may end up making larger bets in the game #1's of those series but this is just distributing the burden and using all levels of the chase to make your profit and or recoup your losses.

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Quote Originally Posted by deken00:

nolemanasses,

I get the underlying premise but do not quite understand the sequence.  What does Game 1, Game 2, Game 3 represent?  Is it if you have three plays using the system in one night then you approach it this way?  Or is it if you have three games in a series for a certain team?  Does it reset every night?  Secondly, what is the purpose of knocking numbers off of each side if it does reset?  I think I am having a little difficulty with the terminology.

Any help would be appreciated.  I have been following Rizz on his other system and find both threads to be constructive dialogue.

Deken00   

Game 1, 2, and 3 just represent the games in a series.  For example tonight we have 4 game #1's.  The amount you play on these games are dictated by the numbers in line 1 of your labby.  The teams that lose will move down to line 2 for their next game and those that lose in game 2 will move to line 3.  The idea of the 3 lines is to distribute the burden between all the lines and/or games in the series.  In a straight martingale the bets get progressively larger in game 1, then 2, and very large for game 3 bets.  The idea of labby is to spread it out.  If you lose a few games you may end up making larger bets in the game #1's of those series but this is just distributing the burden and using all levels of the chase to make your profit and or recoup your losses.

 

QuasiMoDough

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Posts: 636

Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 10:58 PM ET #449

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Quote Originally Posted by cdmop:

BOS glad i decided to trust the system on this one. 

NY

@#$@#$ RedSux - figures, couldn't win a @#$@# game to save their lives and of course now they're suddenly the 1927 Yankees. Given I already qualified as a masochist betting on them the last three games I figured enough was enough and faded them. Gotta love it.

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Quote Originally Posted by cdmop:

BOS glad i decided to trust the system on this one. 

NY

@#$@#$ RedSux - figures, couldn't win a @#$@# game to save their lives and of course now they're suddenly the 1927 Yankees. Given I already qualified as a masochist betting on them the last three games I figured enough was enough and faded them. Gotta love it.

 

 

therizz

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Joined: Mar, 2010

Posts: 2304

Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 11:25 PM ET #450

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Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

Results for 5/3:

System record 46-2-1

Additional series 3-0-0

Series       Game   Time       Teams        o/u      TR diff  

*Series #51 (G1) 7:05     bal @ NYY -305 ,RL             

--Series #52 (G1) 7:10       laa @ BOS -174    

*Series #53 (G1)  8:10        kc @ CWS -174   

Series #54 (G1) 10:05       COL -136 @ sd      pending           

**meet o/u filter of 9+

 

watch the colorado play closely, high TR difference, low series price, and line dropped quite a bit.  Still a play based on opening line, but be careful this is what happened with the seattle line

CIN a play if line closes -150

TR diffs(for reference only)

Series Prices (for future reference only)

 

Game 1 wins =33

Game 2 wins = 11

Game 3 wins = 2

*Losses = 2 , -27.8U

*units lost reflects playing all games on the ML martingale for 3 games, not recommended*

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Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

Results for 5/3:

System record 46-2-1

Additional series 3-0-0

Series       Game   Time       Teams        o/u      TR diff  

*Series #51 (G1) 7:05     bal @ NYY -305 ,RL             

--Series #52 (G1) 7:10       laa @ BOS -174    

*Series #53 (G1)  8:10        kc @ CWS -174   

Series #54 (G1) 10:05       COL -136 @ sd      pending           

**meet o/u filter of 9+

 

watch the colorado play closely, high TR difference, low series price, and line dropped quite a bit.  Still a play based on opening line, but be careful this is what happened with the seattle line

CIN a play if line closes -150

TR diffs(for reference only)

Series Prices (for future reference only)

 

Game 1 wins =33

Game 2 wins = 11

Game 3 wins = 2

*Losses = 2 , -27.8U

*units lost reflects playing all games on the ML martingale for 3 games, not recommended*

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