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Posted: #176
Quote Originally Posted by TheDrill:

Seattle has a better defense, better run game, plays in the stronger conference and has had a tougher road to get here IMO.  Denver Plus the public is all over Denver.

Manning is great, no denying that.  So is Brees, Seattle's defense dominated that offense (twice).  Denver strength plays right into Seattle's strength (pass off vs pass def).  I like the way Seattle matches up with Denver...Sherman should be able to keep D Thomas in check, same with their athletic LBs and best S combo in league on J Thomas.  Manning can check down to Welker for 4 yds all day long.

I'm taking Seattle with the points and ML.  Even going to sprinkle a little on Seattle alternate line, to win by double digits.


One of us will win...Bol 


 
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everybody has made their prediction but the game is played on the field and if i learn anything it is that anything is possible and most of the time offense sells tickets and defense win championships and that is true most of the time so either u llike offense ( manning and crew) or defense (seahawks) my pick hawk and the insurance 
 
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Will the ref's help Peyton get his SB ring with a different team, something that has never been done before to go with all his other records?  Will the stands be fairly vacant because no one wants to freeze their kiester off for six hours?  Can Manning throw in blizzard conditions?  As mentioned, no bet but lean toward Denver.  Running game will be foremost just to shorten the game.
 
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Listen to THEQUADYEAH folks.  Easy money…the media is trying their best to make it sound like Seattle is better than advertised.  They get all the calls and play lights out at home not to mention the crowd does wonders for them.  Sorry to say, but the SB is a made up of a bunch of non fans so they won't have that advantage which will make them average.  

Peyton picks them a part with his 5 options and they don't play well in a track meet.

I'm 5-0-1 in the playoffs and the one push was from the Niners and GB which should have covered:)

GLA!!!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bigmerz:

Denver played one top ten defense all season. Seattle played a top ten defense in 6 of last 8 games alone. That is why the offense struggled as of late. Even with Denver's defense improving Seattle is going to just out physical them. Take the points people. Seattle wins straight up.

Where are you getting your stats from?  Just from simple research on NFL.com

If you're talking about playing against top defenses, Denver has played against 2 out of the top 10 and outscored them 78-36, but then again you can't hold this against them considering that they weren't scheduled top play against any of the other top 10 teams.  A majority of the top defenses were on the NFC side.    

Denver has played 4 of the top 10 offenses, with them being number 1 of course so technically not counting their own team, 5 of the top 10 offenses and beat all 5 of them.  Seattle has played against none of the top 10.  Of course this is based on the average of YPG.   If you wanna consider average of points per game, they only played against NO which sneaked in at #10 this year.  How can anyone say that Seattle holds good scoring teams to low scores?  They've never been truly tested this year while Denver has outscored 4 out of the top 10 besides themselves.  

If Seattle held the #10 scoring offense to 15pts during the playoffs, imagine what the next 9 teams above them could've scored on the Seattle "defense".  This statistic doesn't typically get worse as you play higher powered offenses, let alone the number #1 offense of all time.  So if you wanna look purely at stats, the Seattle numbers seemed pretty "skewed" to me.  Also you gotta admit, that the offensive production from the Saints has been unusually low this year compared to previous years.   They were #2, #1, #6 just in the last 3 years alone in average points per game.  A significant drop in anyway you wanna look at it.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TheDrill:


My point was that it isn't a big advantage for Denver as the original poster was making it out to be.  Don't see this being a factor in the game.

Are you kidding me?  Have you ever watched ANY interview of players that have been to a Superbowl?   They ALL say it helps to have been to a Superbowl before.  Honestly that ONE fact alone, should be worth a point ATS.  I've never seen or heard one player in the HISTORY of the NFL EVER say that it doesn't matter, or it didn't help that they've been to one, if they've ever been in multiple Superbowls.  

This isn't a "regular" season game where it's your everyday job.  This is the SUPERBOWL chief.  This is the highest stage any NFL player in his career will ever dream of ever reaching.  This fact rings true of any sport, or just about anything in life.  You'll be more nervous than you've ever been in your whole life.  

You think that if you ever got a chance to date a supermodel, you'd be calm and cool your first time?  Hell no, you'd probably be tongue twisted, sweating, and drooling like a dog with your mouth on the floor.  This ain't no run of the mill average chick you'll find walking down the street.  It's the same damn thing.  BUT if you're already banged a supermodel, you'd think it'd be as nerve wrecking and be acting the fool the next time?  Maybe you'd be a little more relaxed and know more of what to expect.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by shootitall:

Will the ref's help Peyton get his SB ring with a different team, something that has never been done before to go with all his other records?  Will the stands be fairly vacant because no one wants to freeze their kiester off for six hours?  Can Manning throw in blizzard conditions?  As mentioned, no bet but lean toward Denver.  Running game will be foremost just to shorten the game.

What blizzard are you talking about?  There's only a 20% chance of precipitation.  My friend is in NY right now, and it clearly doesn't look like there's any blizzard going on nor is it expected to be at kickoff time or before.  Cold weather yes, but winter storm highly unlikely.  Wind, maybe 10mph so not a big factor like in the NE game.  

But like I previously said, it's too far out to accurately predict the weather.  Right now it's a maybe 50/50 chance of what they saying as being correct.  I don't take weather into serious consideration until 3 days out.  Then in cold/snowy/rainy weather conditions, I like to see how bad it gets and more importantly, if it stays that way enough to affect the game.
 
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0OOO0oOohhhh i dunno where is mister dogs!!!!???i think now hate hate is gud to repel morons who posting and a repeating l0oOoOong posts having points already made!!!!i dunno.weather weather bulls hit !!!!where are all duh gud cappers!!!???mister settlewinner ????
 
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Posted: #184
"JUST THE FACTS "JACK WEBB DRAGNET!!
I know most of you are 2 young 2 recall the show so here goes.
The line has always been Den favorite -1.5 --2.5. Seattle was never favorite -2 opening line. So the its wrong 2 say Seattle was favorite
+ the $ came in so strong 0n Denver that they became the favorite!
We can't predict the TO # THE TEAM that has more yards rushing
wins 80% of the time.So of course that favors Seattle.In NFC title  game San Fran out rushed Sea 161-115 but they loss. Will denver out rush Seattle? Denver is a passing offense Seattle is offense is a running offense so here's the point.Denver needs to stop the seattle 
rushing + Denver offense needs 2 have a good game rushing the ball!
Monte Ball + Moreno will out rush Lynch + Wilson. Den 35-Sea20


 
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Quote Originally Posted by heylou54:

"JUST THE FACTS "JACK WEBB DRAGNET!!
I know most of you are 2 young 2 recall the show so here goes.
The line has always been Den favorite -1.5 --2.5. Seattle was never favorite -2 opening line. So the its wrong 2 say Seattle was favorite
+ the $ came in so strong 0n Denver that they became the favorite!
We can't predict the TO # THE TEAM that has more yards rushing
wins 80% of the time.So of course that favors Seattle.In NFC title  game San Fran out rushed Sea 161-115 but they loss. Will denver out rush Seattle? Denver is a passing offense Seattle is offense is a running offense so here's the point.Denver needs to stop the seattle 
rushing + Denver offense needs 2 have a good game rushing the ball!
Monte Ball + Moreno will out rush Lynch + Wilson. Den 35-Sea20



Not bad, wanna see some more interesting stats?

True, Seattle rushes the ball more than Denver does in terms of yards average per game but let's spice the running stats up a little bit.  

Moreno #4 with 10 TD's
Lynch #2 with 12 TD's

(With a minimum of 1000+ Rushing yards this season)
Moreno # 9 Average Rushing 4.3 YD's
Lynch #10 Average Rushing 4.1 YD's

Total Rushing Yards
Moreno #12
Lynch #6

Surprising to see that a team that isn't mainly focused on the run such as Seattle can have such efficient numbers.  If you didn't know by just looking purely at the numbers, you would NOT think that Denver would control such impressive running stats.  Now you combine that with the 55 passing TD's vs Seattle's meager 27, that's a formula to outscore any defense.  That's over DOUBLE the amount of scoring.  

Yes Seattle will slow down Denver's defense, but how much can they slow them down?  Now I under stand that "Defenses wins championships" but scoring wins the games, That then raises the most important question that doesn't seem to get touched on much here, can Seattle score more than Denver?  Denver has a defense too and as of late, it has improved insanely.  



 
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Posted: #186
Historically, BRONCOS own stepchild ex-division rival  12-3 last 15, 34-19 overall  

Mentally/Psychologically... Clearly Manning and organization advantage especially with no huddle, experienced gameplanning and  in game adjusting  

Physical/Youth,,I'll give this to the "thugs" hawks


Statistically...Advantage as pointed out above^^^^^,,,but you did not point out BRONCOS 3rd down conversion efficiency compared to HAWKS less than stellar performance....MAJOR BRONCO advantage BRONCOS control clock via 1st downs

EXPERIENCE..no contest...Peyton, Fox, Elway, BRONCOS won twice

Weather,,,,no Hawks advantage, should be a beautiful night for a SB.... if this game was being played at a "warm" site,  only God could help Hawks keep up

Officiating..."y" factor if they let thugs "accost" DEN wideouts

OVERALL, DENVER should clearly WIN this SB   I see DENVER getting a lead  and not let up, using their no huddle offense limiting the BEAST's effectiveness. and their DEFENSIVE rotations... 

Good luck everybody  Go BRONCOS, go get your 3rd LOMBARDI
 
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Quote Originally Posted by omb1:

Things to consider...

Take the Seahawks away from the 12th Man and they are nowhere near as explosive, as has been proven on the scoreboard throughout the season.

Denver's defense has come alive of late, holding opponents to an average of 15 PPG in their last four games.  The offense has still been very effective, producing an average of 28.2 PPG in their last five games.  Those same five games have gone UNDER the total.  

Seattle's offense has faded.  They haven't gone OVER the total since November.  Marshawn Lynch's rushing and their defense have been keeping them in games while Russell Wilson has become a game manager.  Seattle has given up an average of 12 PPG since the beginning of December.

Experience.  Denver has it.  Seattle does not.  John Fox is coaching his 2nd SB.  Peyton is playing his 3rd.  Welker is playing in his 3rd.  Standout CB Rodgers-Cromartie is playing his 2nd.  Champ Bailey, while he's never played in a championship, is a 15 year defensive veteran and a focused leader.  Russell Wilson is in his 2nd year.  Coach Pete Carroll is an SB virgin.  I see a lot of parallels between this game and last year's Baltimore (veteran experience) versus San Francisco (youthful emotion) matchup. 

Weather will be everything IMO.  In a dome or fair conditions, Denver takes this by 10+ points.  If the conditions are garbage - high winds, snow, sleet and / or bitter cold - Peyton will have issues no doubt.  However I do believe that the Broncos will get it done one way or another.

BAD WEATHER FINAL SCORE:  Denver 17  Seattle 13 

GOOD WEATHER FINAL SCORE:  Denver 26  Seattle 17 

So I guess it's Denver and the Under regardless...

GL to all

  



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Posted: #188
HEY LOU 54, this is from the NY times on Monday:

It’s part of the reason Denver is currently the 2 ½-point favorite even though oddsmakers opened with the Seahawks — a team they believe is better — as a 2- to 2 ½-point favorite.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/28/sports/football/in-las-vegas-putting-a-lot-on-the-line-for-the-super-bowl.html?_r=0 (FULL STORY)

Another aspect was just discussed on the radio...Manning's hurry up offense and his ability to negate the defensive substitutions and disrupt timing/coverage. That's a very important aspect I've overlooked, but I still believe Seattle's run game will determine the game...
 
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O-ma-ha

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1: a member of an American Indian people of northeastern Nebraska
2: the Siouan language of the Omaha
3: (and most importantly) - the line in the Continental United States where the Seattle Seahawks 12th man fanbase becomes irrelevant, and hereto and thusforth, the team becomes "crap" because they're on the road............... 
Good Luck Everybody!!!!!!! HATE HATE!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE MY DR. DOGS AT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Take Seahawks and under,,24-21=money in the bank




 
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Quote Originally Posted by fotosfromphilly:

HEY LOU 54, this is from the NY times on Monday:

It’s part of the reason Denver is currently the 2 ½-point favorite even though oddsmakers opened with the Seahawks — a team they believe is better — as a 2- to 2 ½-point favorite.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/28/sports/football/in-las-vegas-putting-a-lot-on-the-line-for-the-super-bowl.html?_r=0 (FULL STORY)

Another aspect was just discussed on the radio...Manning's hurry up offense and his ability to negate the defensive substitutions and disrupt timing/coverage. That's a very important aspect I've overlooked, but I still believe Seattle's run game will determine the game...


That's all Seattle has on offense is Lynch --- everything goes through him. Once Pot Roast neutralize Lynch, Wilson will have to play outside the system and that's when he is at his worst. If you think Den can't contain Lynch...ask Chargers/Pats run game right up to hitting a wall vs Den. 

As for Seattle #1 def bla bla bla...which team have they played that has the kind if weapons has? 

Seattle won't do anything different on def,  they are just gonna play pressman and try to bully the receivers...well, this is the biggest group of receivers the Hawks have face all season, you can't bully bullies. And...to give Manning 2 wks to game plan your def? He's going to figure you out and attack he will....Omaha! Montana!! Ca Ching......

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Posted: #192
Seattle - 27                                               Denver - 24

Very  tough game to call, but i like Seattle to win a close game.  I think Denver will turn it over a few times. 

 
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Leaning to Seattle.
 
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COMPARABLE MATCHUPS

2002 Patriots beat Rams 20-17.   Belichick earned coaching icon status after his defensive schemes stymied The Greatest Show on Turf.
2003 Bucs beat Raiders 48-21.  Gruden!

2006 Steelers beat Seahawks 21-10.  The Steelers 3rd ranked defense turned in a great performance in this game.  Seattle led the NFL in scoring.

2008 Giants beat Patriots 17-14.  This is perhaps the closest comparison to this years game.  Before Manning’s big year it was Brady-Moss video game season that held the record for most points per game on average. 
2009 Steelers beat Cardinals 27-23.    Pitt was known for their defense that lead the league in points allowed.  AZ was  3rd in points.
2000 Rams beat Titans 23-16.  Titans imposed their will and controlled the flow of this game.  
2004 Patriots beat Panthers 32-29.  The Panthers let the pace of the game get out of their comfort zone but kept it close to the end.
2007 Colts beat Bears 29-17.  Bears held Manning to 1 TD on a busted coverage where Manning somehow escaped Tank Johnson.  The Bears committed 5 turnovers.


This makes me like Seattle’s chances. These elite offenses struggled for the most part averaging just over 21 points in this 8 game sample.
 
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In that 8 game sample of Smashmouth teams like this years Seahawks vs an Epic Offense like Denver.........the Smashmouth teams seem to hold the advantage.
 
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hawks 27 broncos 24
 
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I keep hearing that DEN D stopped the NE run.  NE stopped running the ball in the 1st Q.  They got away from their game plan way to early.  They went to their passing game way to early.  We do not know how good the DEN D is from the NE game.  When everyone says the DEN D is good.  They held NE to 69 yd rushing.  This bothers me. Den did not stop NE running game.  NE stopped running the ball and went exclusively to the pass.  Everyone will be surprised with SEA running game because they will keep pounding the ball.
 
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Historically every year when everyone talks about how unstoppable one team's O was that team played bad in the SB.  Also when they talked about how this same team's D was playing well that team played bad in the SB.  It seems like they mislead the public to bet on the wrong team so the casinos can win.  Reverse psychology.  It happens all the time.  You have to do your own homework.    
 
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What did in the NE running game wasn;t the Denver defense. It was the long drives by Manning to end the first half and start the second. This left NE in a hole and they felt they needed to throw to catch up. Also, BB probably thought he could take advantage of Denver's weak secondary. And if not for an off day by Brady, he might have.

The bottom line is that Denver's run defense didn't stop Blount. NE's playcalling stopped Blount. Denver will have to build a similar lead and have similar long drives to get Seattle to stop pounding the run. Hard for me to see that happening.
 
 
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A safe bet is the best bet---Almost everyone on here agrees that it will be a close game ( even madden football prediction ) whether you like Denver or Seattle doesn't matter. So i'm going to stick with my original thought and do a three 10 point teaser---seattle,denver and the over for two bucks.I'll keep reading your posts to keep informed and entertained and good luck to all !!! 
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