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Quote Originally Posted by BayernMunich18:

I'll take Seattle, it's gonna be a Marshawn Lynch's Tornado!!!
not on a slippery slimey turf it won't
 
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Sherman should try to compose his self, and maybe more of the public would support the Seahawks !!! Go orange crush!!!
 
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DENVER ALL DAY, ...MANNING GETS RING #2, ...NO 12TH MAN IN THIS GAME,  ...ALOT OF SEAHAWKS FANS GONNA BE PISSED COME SUNDAY!! 
 
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1H seattle

2H denver

 
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Denver wins a tight one & over 48 points.

Prop score picks = 26-25 Denver 
                            = 26-24 Denver 

 
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God....my head is spinning trying to pick a winner on this game. I can see Peyton having a huge game, but I can see Lynch and Seattle controlling the clock and keeping Manning off the field. Before the AFC/NFC title games, the books had this game slated at Sea -2.5 along with the spreads on the other 3 possibilities. Seattle was going to open at -4 vs. New England while SF/Den was slated as a pick. So what does all this mean? The 5 point swing on the projected line and the current lines seems to suggest Seattle is the value play? But bet against Manning? ......just a tough game to cap no matter how much you like either side.
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Quote Originally Posted by searider72:

I keep hearing that DEN D stopped the NE run.  NE stopped running the ball in the 1st Q.  They got away from their game plan way to early.  They went to their passing game way to early.  We do not know how good the DEN D is from the NE game.  When everyone says the DEN D is good.  They held NE to 69 yd rushing.  This bothers me. Den did not stop NE running game.  NE stopped running the ball and went exclusively to the pass.  Everyone will be surprised with SEA running game because they will keep pounding the ball.

You're wrong.  They DID run the ball all the way early into the 4th quarter and then they completely had to abandon it.  Don't you guys check the play by plays before you post stuff like this.  Denver DID stop the run effectively but NE stuck with it until they were down big.  Having 3 points for over 3 quarters will make you change your game plan.  What idiot of a coach will keep pounding the ball with only 12 minutes left in the game and you're down more than 2 scores?

This could very well be Seattle's problem come Sunday seeing how weather won't be a big factor anymore.  You give Manning a lead and he'll keep it on you.  Then they're gonna have to rely on Wilson to beat them thru the air, which is what this team was not built for.  Sadly not something I'd put money on.

Also did you see that Denver also hold a pretty decent San Diego run game to almost nothing?  Woodhead had more yards than Matthews did.  He had 30, a big fat 30 yards total for the game.  When was the last time you heard that San Diego had so little yards this year?  Matthews also didn't have a "mediocre" season either at over 1200+ yards. 

What about holding 2 HIGH scoring offenses to 3 or less points for over 3 quarters each?  No one talks about Denver's defense.  Has Seattle boasted any impressive stats like that during the playoffs?  They had the first round bye and homefield too.  But honestly who the hell has been more impressive?  NOT Seattle and their amazing defense.  For God's sake, they weren't ranked #1 in defense against a  "mediocre" SF offense in the playoffs while Denver shut down 2 teams forcing them to score ONLY in the 4th quarter when the game was already out of reach.  Actually they didn't even have the lead and had to come back at the end.  If it wasn't for an penalty against SF, that game could've easily ended up as SF the winner.  SF shot themselves in the foot that game and anyone can see that.  Both teams played sloppier than sloppy Joes.  But 3 total points between 2 teams for 6 quarters against 2 of the top 10 offenses in the league.  Not impressive huh?  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TheDrill:


WTF kind of backa$$wards math is this?  Denver played and beat 4 top 10 offenses, plus they play their own #1 offense in practice everyday and won all those match ups...therefore Denver beat 5 top 10 offenses.  

Ummm...It's pretty simple.  They're number 1 in offense so they'd be removed from the equation.  Obviously Denver's offense doesn't play their defense in a real game.  So that would technically leave #2-11 as being the next "top 10".  So they beat 5 opponents that are ranked anywhere between #2-11.  

What's so difficult to understand?   
 
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Quote Originally Posted by omb1:

Total is climbing...up 1.5 in the last 24 hours in some places.

I guess the weather forecast is getting a little more favorable to Peyton's passing game.  Already took the under at 47.5 guess I should've waited.

Truly believe Denver's defense is going to be the difference in the game and hold Seattle to less than 20 in a close Broncos victory.

GL to all.

 


I don't see this being a problem at all.  The real question will be, can Seattle hold Denver to under 28 points?  I can see Denver taking the lead like usual, (too bad I didn't bet on this proposition on every game, I'd be making some coin on those bets), taking long on every drive while stopping Seattle enough times that they can't keep up and slowly losing sight of the game and eventually having it become out of reach.  Denver will stop Seattle from scoring more times than Seattle can stop Denver from scoring.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by forkball:

Look at Denver's schedule this year.  Toughest game was against the Pats.  Denver had an easy road to the Super Bowl as well defeating a depleted Patriot team that featured Brady overthrowing wide open receivers and their best corner guy out early with injury.  

Now look at Seattle's schedule.  Quality wins not even close.  Wrong team favored here as Wilson and company back yard football their way to a Super Bowl victory.

Seattle 31
Denver 17

Seattle played mostly "medicore" offenses that had good defenses.  Look at how many good offenses they've played compared to Denver.  You have to score to win games.  You defense can typically only slow down an offense and they've only shut out 1 team this year, and sadly it's the other Manning.  That was no surprise to anyone, probably to even Eli himself.  Other than that they haven't been able to shut out anyone.  You think they're gonna shut out Denver?  I'd put money on the chances of Denver being able to shut out Seattle before Seattle can shut out Denver.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Xyberz:


Ummm...It's pretty simple.  They're number 1 in offense so they'd be removed from the equation.  Obviously Denver's offense doesn't play their defense in a real game.  So that would technically leave #2-11 as being the next "top 10".  So they beat 5 opponents that are ranked anywhere between #2-11.  

What's so difficult to understand?   

No where did you say they played the 11th ranked offense in your post, it made no sense.  

Those 5 teams include Philly when they were still starting Vick, Washington who only found themselves in the top 10 in YPG b/c they were playing from behind all the time and SD who they also lost to once at home.

I don't think Denver's defense has really improved much from earlier in the year when they were just dropping 50 to win games.  In December, they gave up 28 to KC & Tenn each, 27 to SD (at home) and 13 & 14 to two scrub teams in Houston and Oakland, respectively.  

Now in the playoffs, they've given up a lot fewer points, but look at the match-ups/circumstances.  SD was coming in with a hobbled #1 RB (Mathews) and NE was just not the same team without Gronk.  NE was still able to look good on offense vs some bad teams defensively (IMO) w/out him (i.e. a Colts team that gave up 40+ to Alex Smith and KC).  

I think Seattle even though they have struggled on offense lately will be able to score 28-35 points on this Denver defense.  Seattle has played a lot of defenses way better than this Denver D.  

How many times has a team scored more than 28 on Seattle this year?  1 time, at Indy...which includes a blocked FG returned for a TD.  They've proven they can shutdown high profile offenses (New Orleans comes to mind first).

 
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No where did you say they played the 11th ranked offense in your post, it made no sense.  

Those 5 teams include Philly when they were still starting Vick, Washington who only found themselves in the top 10 in YPG b/c they were playing from behind all the time and SD who they also lost to once at home.

I don't think Denver's defense has really improved much from earlier in the year when they were just dropping 50 to win games.  In December, they gave up 28 to KC & Tenn each, 27 to SD (at home) and 13 & 14 to two scrub teams in Houston and Oakland, respectively.  

Now in the playoffs, they've given up a lot fewer points, but look at the match-ups/circumstances.  SD was coming in with a hobbled #1 RB (Mathews) and NE was just not the same team without Gronk.  NE was still able to look good on offense vs some bad teams defensively (IMO) w/out him (i.e. a Colts team that gave up 40+ to Alex Smith and KC).  

I think Seattle even though they have struggled on offense lately will be able to score 28-35 points on this Denver defense.  Seattle has played a lot of defenses way better than this Denver D.  

How many times has a team scored more than 28 on Seattle this year?  1 time, at Indy...which includes a blocked FG returned for a TD.  They've proven they can shutdown high profile offenses (New Orleans comes to mind first).


I've already posted this and I'm sure you must've missed it.  NO is a FAR cry from the offensive powerhouse they've been in past years when they were ranked as high as #1 & #2 within the last 3 years.  They're ranked number 10 and didn't face anyone higher than that.  That's hardly a testament to them having faced any kind of high profile offenses.  And the one fairly decent offense they have faced like you said was Indy but only ranked about average in the league.  Even without that blocked FG, they still put up 28 points.  I'm sure that the even more efficient Denver team can, (if needed), put up at least 28 points on this Seattle defense.  Also Denver runs the ball more efficiently than both Seattle and Indy and that reflects in the average per carry.  Denver can pound the ball if necessary and clearly proved it this year already, so there's no doubt about that.  Even against a MUCH better rush defense team than Seattle.  

Seattle can only stop the pass, if you can even say that playing only 1 top 10 team in offense this year as being impressive, and is even worse than Denver in stopping the run.  So when you have a mediocre offense and a run offense that isn't as efficient as your opponent's, then what's left?  Your pass defense and special teams?  They say that the run opens up the pass plays, then who's gonna be better?  They say Skittles this, Skittles that, but I'm glad that Moreno has flown under the radar because this boy can pound the ball in your mouth with the best of them.  Then when your defenders have to pull in to block the play action, then Manning will torch you left and right.  

If there's any potential to blow a team out, it's Denver everyday and anyday over Seattle.  Everyone says that the younger team is more hungry?  Really?  You think that the other team that has worked so hard being "older" isn't just as hungry?  I'd rather take the team that's more inspired to win.  To win for their QB, their coach, their team, and most importantly, themselves. 

P.S. I didn't think I'd have to explain that Denver being #1 in offense, you should skip them as teams they've "beaten" in the top 10.  That kinda leaves #2-11 as being the top 10 if they omit themselves for that type of comparison.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Xyberz:


I've already posted this and I'm sure you must've missed it.  NO is a FAR cry from the offensive powerhouse they've been in past years when they were ranked as high as #1 & #2 within the last 3 years.  They're ranked number 10 and didn't face anyone higher than that.  That's hardly a testament to them having faced any kind of high profile offenses.  And the one fairly decent offense they have faced like you said was Indy but only ranked about average in the league.  Even without that blocked FG, they still put up 28 points.  I'm sure that the even more efficient Denver team can, (if needed), put up at least 28 points on this Seattle defense.  Also Denver runs the ball more efficiently than both Seattle and Indy and that reflects in the average per carry.  Denver can pound the ball if necessary and clearly proved it this year already, so there's no doubt about that.  Even against a MUCH better rush defense team than Seattle.  

Seattle can only stop the pass, if you can even say that playing only 1 top 10 team in offense this year as being impressive, and is even worse than Denver in stopping the run.  So when you have a mediocre offense and a run offense that isn't as efficient as your opponent's, then what's left?  Your pass defense and special teams?  They say that the run opens up the pass plays, then who's gonna be better?  They say Skittles this, Skittles that, but I'm glad that Moreno has flown under the radar because this boy can pound the ball in your mouth with the best of them.  Then when your defenders have to pull in to block the play action, then Manning will torch you left and right.  

If there's any potential to blow a team out, it's Denver everyday and anyday over Seattle.  Everyone says that the younger team is more hungry?  Really?  You think that the other team that has worked so hard being "older" isn't just as hungry?  I'd rather take the team that's more inspired to win.  To win for their QB, their coach, their team, and most importantly, themselves. 

P.S. I didn't think I'd have to explain that Denver being #1 in offense, you should skip them as teams they've "beaten" in the top 10.  That kinda leaves #2-11 as being the top 10 if they omit themselves for that type of comparison.  

Xyberz, he just ain't gonna listen to any type of common sense.  Just another noobie square addicted to chalk right up to the point they come repo his Camaro.

Everything you said is just about on point.  Defense wins conference championships, QBs win superbowls.  And Manning has defeated 5 of the top 10 QBs just like you said.  

Good luck Xy, catch you on the college bball boards for the madness.

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den 31 sea 13

DENVER AND UNDER .............

 
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Seattle Seahawks -2 and OVER 48 for me.

 

I see an early lead by Seattle being erased with a close win by the Hawks late.

 

A great Super Bowl!

 

 

 
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I live in las vegas.. Thats all I wanted to say
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vue21849:

        As I see it, this game could go either way.    There appears a likelihood that the Broncos will cover the meager 2 pt number. If the spread were around 3, I'd be all over Seattle.  With that said, this is only one bet, in a season where I selectively cashed many. Because I don't like "splitting hairs", and both teams have their merits, the only sensible bet is:

UNDER  47

Oh Ho. As soon as I read this, the total jumped to 48.  You have such an influence with your predictions that gamblers run the other way. The Sharps were already lined up when the spreads came out and watched more money being bet on Denver. Now the money is coming in on the over due to favorable weather conditions. Teasers are the way to go here. Bookies worst nightmare when you hit both sides like last week. (Except the NE/Den total)

 
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I guess we will see in about 52 hours.

Denver plays in a soft division and soft conference, they are about to go up against the fastest defense and toughest run game they've seen.  I'll put my chips in on that everytime.

Good luck on Sunday broheme.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TheDrill:

I guess we will see in about 52 hours.

Denver plays in a soft division and soft conference, they are about to go up against the fastest defense and toughest run game they've seen.  I'll put my chips in on that everytime.

Good luck on Sunday broheme.

The only thing that is soft the cream cheese and the city of Phonydelphia.  That city thinks Rocky Balboa is real.  I guess when he is the only champion you have ever had, then you just gotta roll with it.  Have fun running those step while I'm cashing tickets.
 
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really like the game Peyton plays ... true field general ... none better ... but I'll take the young, fast defense in not so wonderful weather ... seen it b4 ... you'll see it Sunday ... Peyton outdoors and Defense wins championship ...

shout out to Doc and Irish ... "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

Good luck fellas !!! 

 
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8 of Denvers regular season games were against playoff teams. Seattle, five of their games were against playoff teams. 

Pando, you might want to recount the playoff teams that Denver and Seattle played during regular season again.

It looks like Denver played 7 teams going 4-3 and ATS 4-3 while Seattle also played 7 teams going 4-3 and ATS 5-2. Pretty even.

Colin Cowherd (26-23), Ron Jaworski (27-24), SportsNetwork (24-20) all picked Denver.  I know QuadYeah, Sammy Ace, and Dr. Dogs all were favoring Denver also.  And respect all their picks which is why I'm still contemplating on what to do.

This Super Bowl is evenly matched and tough to call.  The winnings from my Wildcard games and Conference Championship were bigger plays for me and will go easy on the Super Bowl.  I am leaning slightly to Seattle and the OVER (probably more on the over) on this game but still have not decided.  I will post again when I finalize my picks.

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Quote Originally Posted by DaNYFballGiants:


The only thing that is soft the cream cheese and the city of Phonydelphia.  That city thinks Rocky Balboa is real.  I guess when he is the only champion you have ever had, then you just gotta roll with it.  Have fun running those step while I'm cashing tickets.

Wow, how long did it take you to come up with that one...might as well work in snow balls thrown at santa while you're at it.  

One thing Denver and Seattle both do well is beat the piss out of the VaGiants.  Ginas Stadium will be the mecca of overrated QBs on Sunday with all the Mannings in the building.
 
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I'll take the under at half 
 
 
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With the exception of the Chinese New Year's indicating it is the year of the Horse, My take is that all factors favor the Seahawks. I am mixed on the total though. My mind says Under but my hunch is Over....Good Luck to all...
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