It doesn’t matter what ‘basket’ you choose. The ‘basket’ the economists use for inflation or use any other one that you like. Just stay consistent over the whole situation and measure it consistently.
For example, inflation, real wage growth, even energy prices. All of this can done separately or it can be don’t together.
You do not have to try to constantly change it from one thing to another to try to find a favorable one to suit your narrative.
Use any of the inflation or wage met ice economists use.
You do not have to say you don’t mean that rate or this rate but only one rate that is close to 20-year highs. I granted you the one, even though it is 19 years and not ‘100% accurate’ for 20 year highs. Then don’t change it to well ‘I didn’t say peak highs’. No you said 20 years highs and that is still not true for any of them and only close for one of them.
You just need to admit you exaggerated about what your expectations should have been for Harris as president for the economy over Trump.
He simply had better numbers in those categories you menationed than the last 2 Democrats did.
So, it is natural to assume they would be worse under Harris.
@wallstreetcappers
It doesn’t matter what ‘basket’ you choose. The ‘basket’ the economists use for inflation or use any other one that you like. Just stay consistent over the whole situation and measure it consistently.
For example, inflation, real wage growth, even energy prices. All of this can done separately or it can be don’t together.
You do not have to try to constantly change it from one thing to another to try to find a favorable one to suit your narrative.
Use any of the inflation or wage met ice economists use.
You do not have to say you don’t mean that rate or this rate but only one rate that is close to 20-year highs. I granted you the one, even though it is 19 years and not ‘100% accurate’ for 20 year highs. Then don’t change it to well ‘I didn’t say peak highs’. No you said 20 years highs and that is still not true for any of them and only close for one of them.
You just need to admit you exaggerated about what your expectations should have been for Harris as president for the economy over Trump.
He simply had better numbers in those categories you menationed than the last 2 Democrats did.
So, it is natural to assume they would be worse under Harris.
Again...no details just generalizations and excuses. I do not think you are capable of having a discussion based on actual facts from your own research and you fall back on the nagging insults and partisan nonsense.
You wont look at this because it requires effort and motivation but here is my exact issue with the CPI and medical inflation, right from the horses mouth. There is absolutely ZERO chance that all of my claims could be proven opposite....the government is not sophisticated or staffed to track actual real impactful inflation let alone have it be in real time. If you like a stripped down useless generalization to form a narrative when you know completely it is garbage well if it supports your partisan take you will run with it.
Again...no details just generalizations and excuses. I do not think you are capable of having a discussion based on actual facts from your own research and you fall back on the nagging insults and partisan nonsense.
You wont look at this because it requires effort and motivation but here is my exact issue with the CPI and medical inflation, right from the horses mouth. There is absolutely ZERO chance that all of my claims could be proven opposite....the government is not sophisticated or staffed to track actual real impactful inflation let alone have it be in real time. If you like a stripped down useless generalization to form a narrative when you know completely it is garbage well if it supports your partisan take you will run with it.
@wallstreetcappers I can promise you… inflation would not be here, rates would not be at 20+ year highs with Harris in office. Inflation is obviously down from Biden's high. In his first term he had the lowest first-term cumulative inflation since Kennedy, close to 7.25%. Even Clinton, Bush, and Obama were over 8%, or very close, in their first terms. Biden had a cumulative inflation rate of almost 21%. The numbers are what they are. Rates are not at 20 year highs. Trump's cumulative inflation is still the lowest. Real-wage growth is still the highest. Your whole point is that Harris would not have had the inflation and rates that Trump has. Why not? What would her Leftist policies do that Obama and Biden could not do to make those numbers better than what Trump has?
Cumulative inflation I love this massive generality. What was existent in Trump's first term that wasnt in Bidens? ZIRP...yeah no mention of ZIRP from you in either direction that it massively aided Trump and hurt Biden when the FED shifted their rate approach, nor did you mention Covid or Asian supply chain issues...just blanket partisan generalities. Yeah the context doesnt matter unless it DOES matter then you are belly to the bar complaining about context when it does not serve you.
I'd take LEFTIST SOCIALIST policies over war any single day of the week. Guns and butter Raiders, sign me up for butter and social programs every day of my entire life over war and corporate freebies.
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@wallstreetcappers I can promise you… inflation would not be here, rates would not be at 20+ year highs with Harris in office. Inflation is obviously down from Biden's high. In his first term he had the lowest first-term cumulative inflation since Kennedy, close to 7.25%. Even Clinton, Bush, and Obama were over 8%, or very close, in their first terms. Biden had a cumulative inflation rate of almost 21%. The numbers are what they are. Rates are not at 20 year highs. Trump's cumulative inflation is still the lowest. Real-wage growth is still the highest. Your whole point is that Harris would not have had the inflation and rates that Trump has. Why not? What would her Leftist policies do that Obama and Biden could not do to make those numbers better than what Trump has?
Cumulative inflation I love this massive generality. What was existent in Trump's first term that wasnt in Bidens? ZIRP...yeah no mention of ZIRP from you in either direction that it massively aided Trump and hurt Biden when the FED shifted their rate approach, nor did you mention Covid or Asian supply chain issues...just blanket partisan generalities. Yeah the context doesnt matter unless it DOES matter then you are belly to the bar complaining about context when it does not serve you.
I'd take LEFTIST SOCIALIST policies over war any single day of the week. Guns and butter Raiders, sign me up for butter and social programs every day of my entire life over war and corporate freebies.
Again...no details just generalizations and excuses. I do not think you are capable of having a discussion based on actual facts from your own research and you fall back on the nagging insults and partisan nonsense.
Huh? I gave you exact numbers and detailed where they came from and how they get them — exact numbers NOT generalities.
You gave generalities by implying Harris would have lower numbers. Then gave generalities about rates — that were incorrect. The implied part about inflation was also incorrect.
I gave you detailed and exact numbers that refuted those assumptions.
You are the only one that always works off of generalizations and assumptions.
You simply need data and details to back them up. I am just asking what is it?
@wallstreetcappers
Again...no details just generalizations and excuses. I do not think you are capable of having a discussion based on actual facts from your own research and you fall back on the nagging insults and partisan nonsense.
Huh? I gave you exact numbers and detailed where they came from and how they get them — exact numbers NOT generalities.
You gave generalities by implying Harris would have lower numbers. Then gave generalities about rates — that were incorrect. The implied part about inflation was also incorrect.
I gave you detailed and exact numbers that refuted those assumptions.
You are the only one that always works off of generalizations and assumptions.
You simply need data and details to back them up. I am just asking what is it?
You are sounding like Mugg who completely dismissed the financial crisis which happened during Obama and swept that itsy bitsy detail under the rug.
For you there is no context, just mining data to protect your guy and fluff up his out of bounds tee shot so he looks good. So again, ZIRP for Trump vs rate increases for Biden meant nothing, covid and supply chain disaster for Biden vs Trump who had only a BLIP of Covid means nothing...
Sounds like someone does not like fact and truth when it hurts the partisan narrative?
@Raiders22
How about context, details and perspective?
You are sounding like Mugg who completely dismissed the financial crisis which happened during Obama and swept that itsy bitsy detail under the rug.
For you there is no context, just mining data to protect your guy and fluff up his out of bounds tee shot so he looks good. So again, ZIRP for Trump vs rate increases for Biden meant nothing, covid and supply chain disaster for Biden vs Trump who had only a BLIP of Covid means nothing...
Sounds like someone does not like fact and truth when it hurts the partisan narrative?
@wallstreetcappers Again...no details just generalizations and excuses. I do not think you are capable of having a discussion based on actual facts from your own research and you fall back on the nagging insults and partisan nonsense. Huh? I gave you exact numbers and detailed where they came from from and how they get them — exact numbers NOT generalities. You gave generalities by implying Harris would have lower numbers. Then gave generalities about rates — that were incorrect. The implied part about inflation was also incorrect. I gave you detailed and exact numbers that refuted those assumptions. You are the only one that always works off of generalizations and assumptions. You simply need data and details to back them up. I am just asking what is it?
Be accurate when you reply Raiders...you gave no numbers or perspective just REAL WAGE GROWTH...that is all you did, that is no numbers or details and it relied on putrid CPI data which is not current or comprehensive or accurate.
When you reference my Harris comment INCLUDE all I say not just what you did above that I said Harris would have lower numbers, what ELSE did I say on that topic, what specific details did I give as to WHY I said Harris would have lower numbers? Be specific, accurate and non-partisan when summarizing my words please..
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@wallstreetcappers Again...no details just generalizations and excuses. I do not think you are capable of having a discussion based on actual facts from your own research and you fall back on the nagging insults and partisan nonsense. Huh? I gave you exact numbers and detailed where they came from from and how they get them — exact numbers NOT generalities. You gave generalities by implying Harris would have lower numbers. Then gave generalities about rates — that were incorrect. The implied part about inflation was also incorrect. I gave you detailed and exact numbers that refuted those assumptions. You are the only one that always works off of generalizations and assumptions. You simply need data and details to back them up. I am just asking what is it?
Be accurate when you reply Raiders...you gave no numbers or perspective just REAL WAGE GROWTH...that is all you did, that is no numbers or details and it relied on putrid CPI data which is not current or comprehensive or accurate.
When you reference my Harris comment INCLUDE all I say not just what you did above that I said Harris would have lower numbers, what ELSE did I say on that topic, what specific details did I give as to WHY I said Harris would have lower numbers? Be specific, accurate and non-partisan when summarizing my words please..
@wallstreetcappers How about context, details and perspective? Correct. That is why cumulative is better to me. It isolated out a one-off or some outstanding issue over a very short period.
Isolated one-offs?
So the FED reversing ZIRP into Biden is an ISOLATED one off huh? Covid and Asia supply chain is an isolated one off huh?
Ya I can see how generalities suit your narrative better because it is partisan lies and hack no effort retorts.
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@wallstreetcappers How about context, details and perspective? Correct. That is why cumulative is better to me. It isolated out a one-off or some outstanding issue over a very short period.
Isolated one-offs?
So the FED reversing ZIRP into Biden is an ISOLATED one off huh? Covid and Asia supply chain is an isolated one off huh?
Ya I can see how generalities suit your narrative better because it is partisan lies and hack no effort retorts.
Be accurate when you reply Raiders...you gave no numbers or perspective just REAL WAGE GROWTH...
Nonsense. I gave inflation numbers as well. I gave far more numbers than you did. The perspective is the term comparisons and the Democrat policy comparison that are built into it.
So, what ‘numbers’ do you have?
Since all you posted were generalities and wild assumptions based solely on TDS.
@wallstreetcappers
Be accurate when you reply Raiders...you gave no numbers or perspective just REAL WAGE GROWTH...
Nonsense. I gave inflation numbers as well. I gave far more numbers than you did. The perspective is the term comparisons and the Democrat policy comparison that are built into it.
So, what ‘numbers’ do you have?
Since all you posted were generalities and wild assumptions based solely on TDS.
@wallstreetcappers For you there is no context, just mining data to protect your guy and fluff up his out of bounds tee shot so he looks good. The context is the longer period because it takes out the noise. How about you ‘mine some data’ to support your speculation on Harris.
So you say context is noise because you lack the effort to put in the time to provide accurate perspective. You cannot say that covid, that ZIRP reversal is a one off NOISE...oh my word I guess you can as you just did.
My data on Harris was listed, you either did not read it as usual or you ignored it as usual. A useless war created inflation Raiders....tariffs created inflation of which NEITHER happens on her watch.
The increase of nearly 3 TRILLION in debt to fund wars and ICE would not have happened, at WORST it would have funded social programs which directly impacts GDP and standard of living for citizens, government jobs would not have been stupidly cut under Harris...details you already know but choose to minimize as NOISE
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@wallstreetcappers For you there is no context, just mining data to protect your guy and fluff up his out of bounds tee shot so he looks good. The context is the longer period because it takes out the noise. How about you ‘mine some data’ to support your speculation on Harris.
So you say context is noise because you lack the effort to put in the time to provide accurate perspective. You cannot say that covid, that ZIRP reversal is a one off NOISE...oh my word I guess you can as you just did.
My data on Harris was listed, you either did not read it as usual or you ignored it as usual. A useless war created inflation Raiders....tariffs created inflation of which NEITHER happens on her watch.
The increase of nearly 3 TRILLION in debt to fund wars and ICE would not have happened, at WORST it would have funded social programs which directly impacts GDP and standard of living for citizens, government jobs would not have been stupidly cut under Harris...details you already know but choose to minimize as NOISE
If you don’t have anything of empirical substance— just say you would prefer Harri even if her inflation numbers and real wage growth numbers were worse than Trumps.
At least that would be consistent with your narrative instead of trying to sidestep the hole you dug into.
Just stop digging — I would respect that more than generalities and wild speculation.
I know you prefer anyone over Trump and that is fine. Just do not make it seem like you are backing that up for economic reasons.
@wallstreetcappers
If you don’t have anything of empirical substance— just say you would prefer Harri even if her inflation numbers and real wage growth numbers were worse than Trumps.
At least that would be consistent with your narrative instead of trying to sidestep the hole you dug into.
Just stop digging — I would respect that more than generalities and wild speculation.
I know you prefer anyone over Trump and that is fine. Just do not make it seem like you are backing that up for economic reasons.
Funny you fall back on TDS stupidity to minimize someone who refutes your generalities. I think Trump is a piece of garbage but that has nothing to do with the tariffs and war he started which ARE inflationary and has harmed GDP and consumption. The data regarding GDP, UE, inflation those are in black and white and you cannot generalize those impacts. Higher oil means higher inflation, eliminating insurance subsidies means higher inflation, tariffs means higher inflation and lower growth.
Either you are out of touch with how angry consumers are with his decisions or you know full well and STILL will fluff his mistakes so you can avoid being honest.
@Raiders22
Funny you fall back on TDS stupidity to minimize someone who refutes your generalities. I think Trump is a piece of garbage but that has nothing to do with the tariffs and war he started which ARE inflationary and has harmed GDP and consumption. The data regarding GDP, UE, inflation those are in black and white and you cannot generalize those impacts. Higher oil means higher inflation, eliminating insurance subsidies means higher inflation, tariffs means higher inflation and lower growth.
Either you are out of touch with how angry consumers are with his decisions or you know full well and STILL will fluff his mistakes so you can avoid being honest.
@wallstreetcappers If you don’t have anything of empirical substance— just say you would prefer Harri even if her inflation numbers and real wage growth numbers were worse than Trumps. At least that would be consistent with your narrative instead of trying to sidestep the hole you dug into. Just stop digging — I would respect that more than generalities and wild speculation. I know you prefer anyone over Trump and that is fine. Just do not make it seem like you are backing that up for economic reasons.
Did this war create inflation, yes or no? If you refuse to read the link I gave and admit that it is completely true and you refuse to admit that higher borrow costs for the government is inflationary and negative to the country then we have to fall back to the ORIGIN of the issue...there are many issues but since you refuse to actually educate yourself we have to go back to a SINGLE item...
Did this war he got suckered into create inflation? Does expanding the military for a foreign war which impacts global trade and crude prices create inflation?
Yes or no...or in your case just throw out TDS and walk off....
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@wallstreetcappers If you don’t have anything of empirical substance— just say you would prefer Harri even if her inflation numbers and real wage growth numbers were worse than Trumps. At least that would be consistent with your narrative instead of trying to sidestep the hole you dug into. Just stop digging — I would respect that more than generalities and wild speculation. I know you prefer anyone over Trump and that is fine. Just do not make it seem like you are backing that up for economic reasons.
Did this war create inflation, yes or no? If you refuse to read the link I gave and admit that it is completely true and you refuse to admit that higher borrow costs for the government is inflationary and negative to the country then we have to fall back to the ORIGIN of the issue...there are many issues but since you refuse to actually educate yourself we have to go back to a SINGLE item...
Did this war he got suckered into create inflation? Does expanding the military for a foreign war which impacts global trade and crude prices create inflation?
Yes or no...or in your case just throw out TDS and walk off....
So the FED reversing ZIRP into Biden is an ISOLATED one off huh? Covid and Asia supply chain is an isolated one off huh?
Correct. That is why I pointed out pre-pandemic part and post-Pandemic for both. ZIRP before Obama, during Obama, during Trump, during Biden, etc.
Even that was concentrated on Trumps last 10-11 months or so.
But the whole purpose of a cumulative measure is to take into account something that may make one year be substantially out of whack from the other 3 in a term, etc.
@wallstreetcappers
Isolated one-offs?
So the FED reversing ZIRP into Biden is an ISOLATED one off huh? Covid and Asia supply chain is an isolated one off huh?
Correct. That is why I pointed out pre-pandemic part and post-Pandemic for both. ZIRP before Obama, during Obama, during Trump, during Biden, etc.
Even that was concentrated on Trumps last 10-11 months or so.
But the whole purpose of a cumulative measure is to take into account something that may make one year be substantially out of whack from the other 3 in a term, etc.
@wallstreetcappers Isolated one-offs? So the FED reversing ZIRP into Biden is an ISOLATED one off huh? Covid and Asia supply chain is an isolated one off huh? Correct. That is why I pointed out pre-pandemic part and post-Pandemic for both. ZIRP before Obama, during Obama, during Trump, during Biden, etc. Even that was concentrated on Trumps last 10-11 months or so. But the whole purpose of a cumulative measure is to take into account something that may make one year be substantially out of whack from the other 3 in a term, etc.
If those are one-offs then his first term is MOOT...if you sweep away the harm of the FED reversal and Covid then NOTHING he did with ZIRP and without Covid has any merit, it means nothing.
The only single way a cumulative comparison is even remotely accurate is if BOTH have the SAME playing field, anything less is just subjective partisan garbage.
@Raiders22
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@wallstreetcappers Isolated one-offs? So the FED reversing ZIRP into Biden is an ISOLATED one off huh? Covid and Asia supply chain is an isolated one off huh? Correct. That is why I pointed out pre-pandemic part and post-Pandemic for both. ZIRP before Obama, during Obama, during Trump, during Biden, etc. Even that was concentrated on Trumps last 10-11 months or so. But the whole purpose of a cumulative measure is to take into account something that may make one year be substantially out of whack from the other 3 in a term, etc.
If those are one-offs then his first term is MOOT...if you sweep away the harm of the FED reversal and Covid then NOTHING he did with ZIRP and without Covid has any merit, it means nothing.
The only single way a cumulative comparison is even remotely accurate is if BOTH have the SAME playing field, anything less is just subjective partisan garbage.
Funny you fall back on TDS stupidity to minimize someone who refutes your generalities.
What' generalities' did you refute? You just made some wild speculations and you got 'refuted'.
Now you are squirming.
The TDS is to point out that I have to assume that is why you hold to your stance even though the numbers refute your generalities on Harris likely having better inflation and real wage growth.
@wallstreetcappers
Funny you fall back on TDS stupidity to minimize someone who refutes your generalities.
What' generalities' did you refute? You just made some wild speculations and you got 'refuted'.
Now you are squirming.
The TDS is to point out that I have to assume that is why you hold to your stance even though the numbers refute your generalities on Harris likely having better inflation and real wage growth.
@wallstreetcappers So you say context is noise HUH? No, I do not; I say quite the opposite. The reason to smooth out the data is to put it all into context and take out the noise. This really should not be that hard for you to get. this is the way statistics work and especially in economics.
You cannot smooth out disruptions, or in the case of your lot I guess you can and are. You say the financial crisis that Covid that the FED ramping rates from near zero to 5 is just noise to be smoothed out...that is not how economics works that is how partisan narratives work, you get rid of the bad stuff that makes your guy look like a fool and compare his yellow tees shot to someone from the tips and say they are the same. You do not smooth out OUTLIERS that is total nonsense those have to be bolded and examined and given perspective.
We see now how an inflationary Trump performs with MODERATE fed funds rates, which are lower than what Biden had...deficits explode, borrow costs explode and GDP looks lousy, nothing at all like the powder puff first term he was blessed with thanks to Obama and the Fed.
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@wallstreetcappers So you say context is noise HUH? No, I do not; I say quite the opposite. The reason to smooth out the data is to put it all into context and take out the noise. This really should not be that hard for you to get. this is the way statistics work and especially in economics.
You cannot smooth out disruptions, or in the case of your lot I guess you can and are. You say the financial crisis that Covid that the FED ramping rates from near zero to 5 is just noise to be smoothed out...that is not how economics works that is how partisan narratives work, you get rid of the bad stuff that makes your guy look like a fool and compare his yellow tees shot to someone from the tips and say they are the same. You do not smooth out OUTLIERS that is total nonsense those have to be bolded and examined and given perspective.
We see now how an inflationary Trump performs with MODERATE fed funds rates, which are lower than what Biden had...deficits explode, borrow costs explode and GDP looks lousy, nothing at all like the powder puff first term he was blessed with thanks to Obama and the Fed.
@wallstreetcappers Funny you fall back on TDS stupidity to minimize someone who refutes your generalities. What' generalities' did you refute? You just made some wild speculations and you got 'refuted'. Now you are squirming. The TDS is to point out that I have to assume that is why you hold to your stance even though the numbers refute your generalities on Harris likely having better inflation and real wage growth.
Yay another TDS smear so you do not have to actually face truth and facts. I refuted your SMOOTHING nonsense and comparisons of two sets of data which are on the opposite ends of the spectrum...Trump had ZIRP, Biden did not and actually faced a rate hike cycle AND Covid AND supply chain, Trump had none off those...thems the facts Raiders there is no smoothing or cumulative data comparison when the sets are not remotely the same.
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@wallstreetcappers Funny you fall back on TDS stupidity to minimize someone who refutes your generalities. What' generalities' did you refute? You just made some wild speculations and you got 'refuted'. Now you are squirming. The TDS is to point out that I have to assume that is why you hold to your stance even though the numbers refute your generalities on Harris likely having better inflation and real wage growth.
Yay another TDS smear so you do not have to actually face truth and facts. I refuted your SMOOTHING nonsense and comparisons of two sets of data which are on the opposite ends of the spectrum...Trump had ZIRP, Biden did not and actually faced a rate hike cycle AND Covid AND supply chain, Trump had none off those...thems the facts Raiders there is no smoothing or cumulative data comparison when the sets are not remotely the same.
If those are one-offs then his first term is MOOT...if you sweep away the harm of the FED reversal and Covid then NOTHING he did with ZIRP and without Covid has any merit, it means nothing.
Incorrect. Go look at the numbers from the FED and the timing.
You can parse out those times for them if you like. Bu then you have to do it for everyone that had partial and full and take all of that into account.
That is why I say the one-off has to be considered for both guys from the Pandemic.
That is why I pointed out what great number Trump had pre-Pandemic and specifically did not use the last year as a gauge. Then I pointed out the Biden recovery after about 12 -14 months.
This is fine as long as you do it for all. It is not just for one guy.
@wallstreetcappers
If those are one-offs then his first term is MOOT...if you sweep away the harm of the FED reversal and Covid then NOTHING he did with ZIRP and without Covid has any merit, it means nothing.
Incorrect. Go look at the numbers from the FED and the timing.
You can parse out those times for them if you like. Bu then you have to do it for everyone that had partial and full and take all of that into account.
That is why I say the one-off has to be considered for both guys from the Pandemic.
That is why I pointed out what great number Trump had pre-Pandemic and specifically did not use the last year as a gauge. Then I pointed out the Biden recovery after about 12 -14 months.
This is fine as long as you do it for all. It is not just for one guy.
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