Trump is sliding down that dictator slope ... Are you really concerned about the border to the extent that you would debase and destroy due process? If so then why are you not supporting a serious investment on a very long term basis to help improve a situation you feel is deserving of destroying our due process rights? If you want the border to be sealed then seal it, we have never in the history of the country spent the time and resources to seal the border, the concept and issue is used as a power grab and vote grab we are not serious about changing the border dynamic. The investment and resource requirements are enormous and I do not see Trump plowing forward to fix the border, I do see Trump using the partisan tool to take power and validating it from this mythical boogie man like a true dictator.
Precisely what those of us without partisan blinders on have witnessed!
And I am firmly convinced the whole border wall issue is rooted in RACISM.
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Trump is sliding down that dictator slope ... Are you really concerned about the border to the extent that you would debase and destroy due process? If so then why are you not supporting a serious investment on a very long term basis to help improve a situation you feel is deserving of destroying our due process rights? If you want the border to be sealed then seal it, we have never in the history of the country spent the time and resources to seal the border, the concept and issue is used as a power grab and vote grab we are not serious about changing the border dynamic. The investment and resource requirements are enormous and I do not see Trump plowing forward to fix the border, I do see Trump using the partisan tool to take power and validating it from this mythical boogie man like a true dictator.
Precisely what those of us without partisan blinders on have witnessed!
And I am firmly convinced the whole border wall issue is rooted in RACISM.
Dealing with it cannot come from taxing other countries, we are not a manufacturing economy and we have carried trade imbalances for decades, thus it is not an emergency. The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency. It would be like saying the ER is being used so the resident doctor can build a man cave because it is an emergency. We are not going to FIX an emergency with an executive order, this is a fascist power grab ploy. If your idea of solving a problem is to raise prices and inflation on the US consumer then you do not understand how to solve problems. If you think the way to stop drugs is to deport minorities then you do not understand the drug trade.
Do you want to shore up the border? Then shore it up...deporting here and there the project 2025 way is not going to fix the border problem but hey it gets votes and it gives Trump basis to seize political power and usurp the legislative and judicial process. This approach he has is not the way to fix problems, there is no emergency.
Has Trump reduced spending and deficits, did he last time and does he plan on doing so? No and no...so your contention number three has absolutely no basis either. Your side will keep spending and raising debt levels because that is what politicians do. You just cheer the spending when your butt is in the seat and whine about it when yours is not in the seat.
Funny how you minimize deficits and spending and inflation to ONE source but forward it with another, very funny. Student loan debt is consumer deficit spending, much of the federal debt and deficits are not core high importance needs rather are partisan honey pots and vote grabs, very discretionary. We could cut off subsidies and corporate freebies so easily but I do not see Trump seeking to cut spending through PAC and lobbyist routes, the federal government could easily reduce spending and debt if we wanted to it is 100% the same as student loan debt. How would you have reacted if Biden had thrown down a Trump scheme and just poof forgave all debt and eliminated the federal department which functions for student loans? Just wiped it clean with an executive order? You would be OUTRAGED...I am outraged at his dictator power gab abuse through the term emergency.
@Raiders22
Dealing with it cannot come from taxing other countries, we are not a manufacturing economy and we have carried trade imbalances for decades, thus it is not an emergency. The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency. It would be like saying the ER is being used so the resident doctor can build a man cave because it is an emergency. We are not going to FIX an emergency with an executive order, this is a fascist power grab ploy. If your idea of solving a problem is to raise prices and inflation on the US consumer then you do not understand how to solve problems. If you think the way to stop drugs is to deport minorities then you do not understand the drug trade.
Do you want to shore up the border? Then shore it up...deporting here and there the project 2025 way is not going to fix the border problem but hey it gets votes and it gives Trump basis to seize political power and usurp the legislative and judicial process. This approach he has is not the way to fix problems, there is no emergency.
Has Trump reduced spending and deficits, did he last time and does he plan on doing so? No and no...so your contention number three has absolutely no basis either. Your side will keep spending and raising debt levels because that is what politicians do. You just cheer the spending when your butt is in the seat and whine about it when yours is not in the seat.
Funny how you minimize deficits and spending and inflation to ONE source but forward it with another, very funny. Student loan debt is consumer deficit spending, much of the federal debt and deficits are not core high importance needs rather are partisan honey pots and vote grabs, very discretionary. We could cut off subsidies and corporate freebies so easily but I do not see Trump seeking to cut spending through PAC and lobbyist routes, the federal government could easily reduce spending and debt if we wanted to it is 100% the same as student loan debt. How would you have reacted if Biden had thrown down a Trump scheme and just poof forgave all debt and eliminated the federal department which functions for student loans? Just wiped it clean with an executive order? You would be OUTRAGED...I am outraged at his dictator power gab abuse through the term emergency.
@UNIMAN Living in AZ for two decades I consider what you said as partisan bluster, that also is not what the dictator KING power grab is about completely. There is due process and for you to suggest that due process can be removed when the POTUS alone decides is a very poor position to have as a citizen of this country. No POTUS should be celebrated for usurping our rights and our process as a country. Trump is sliding down that dictator slope and you have followed his path because you are part of the TNC party and you agree with their narrative. Are you really concerned about the border to the extent that you would debase and destroy due process? If so then why are you not supporting a serious investment on a very long term basis to help improve a situation you feel is deserving of destroying our due process rights? If you want the border to be sealed then seal it, we have never in the history of the country spent the time and resources to seal the border, the concept and issue is used as a power grab and vote grab we are not serious about changing the border dynamic. The investment and resource requirements are enormous and I do not see Trump plowing forward to fix the border, I do see Trump using the partisan tool to take power and validating it from this mythical boogie man like a true dictator.
NO, it's like this; Other presidents did their job and had assylum seekers go through the DUE PROCESS to become American citizens like my great-great grandparents did. Obama quickly rounded up those who just walked in and had them properly deported without any hearing or DUE PROCESS. Biden threw DUE PROCESS out the window and told people to "Surge the border". He then had Border Patrol act like a clearing house releasing thousands daily instead of patrolling the border. He had ICE basically stand down as we saw with Garcia's Tenn. traffic stop. He went even further shuttling immigrants across the country in the dead of the night by plane. Soon cities across the country were overwhelmed by immigrants. Millions of dollars that could have been spent on OUR needy citizens diverted to luxury hotel stays, food and board. All the while "There is no border crisis". El Paso was ready to declare an emergency before the 2022 midterms. They were told to shutup and then Biden had the streets and storm drainage systems cleared of migrants before his visit.
Now Trump has the responsibility to undue Biden's wrong. He ran his campaign on that and he won.
I don't expect any wall to stop those hellbent on getting in. It's more symbolic than effective. And there are all kinds of ways to get in. I expect IMMEDIATE DUE PROCESS for those caught entering illegaly and that process is deportation. And just because Biden aided and abetted their illegal entry months ago makes no difference. I expect a president who maintains a decent vigil on protecting our borders.
There will be those with underlying circumstances like Garcia and another named Camargo. IMO, Trump has to stand tuff but in the end those entitled to Due Process because of some other court agreement will get it, but not without a fight. What Biden did was horrific. It will takes years to undue even half of it. And show of weakness now only makes it so much harder and the dem politicians know it.
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@UNIMAN Living in AZ for two decades I consider what you said as partisan bluster, that also is not what the dictator KING power grab is about completely. There is due process and for you to suggest that due process can be removed when the POTUS alone decides is a very poor position to have as a citizen of this country. No POTUS should be celebrated for usurping our rights and our process as a country. Trump is sliding down that dictator slope and you have followed his path because you are part of the TNC party and you agree with their narrative. Are you really concerned about the border to the extent that you would debase and destroy due process? If so then why are you not supporting a serious investment on a very long term basis to help improve a situation you feel is deserving of destroying our due process rights? If you want the border to be sealed then seal it, we have never in the history of the country spent the time and resources to seal the border, the concept and issue is used as a power grab and vote grab we are not serious about changing the border dynamic. The investment and resource requirements are enormous and I do not see Trump plowing forward to fix the border, I do see Trump using the partisan tool to take power and validating it from this mythical boogie man like a true dictator.
NO, it's like this; Other presidents did their job and had assylum seekers go through the DUE PROCESS to become American citizens like my great-great grandparents did. Obama quickly rounded up those who just walked in and had them properly deported without any hearing or DUE PROCESS. Biden threw DUE PROCESS out the window and told people to "Surge the border". He then had Border Patrol act like a clearing house releasing thousands daily instead of patrolling the border. He had ICE basically stand down as we saw with Garcia's Tenn. traffic stop. He went even further shuttling immigrants across the country in the dead of the night by plane. Soon cities across the country were overwhelmed by immigrants. Millions of dollars that could have been spent on OUR needy citizens diverted to luxury hotel stays, food and board. All the while "There is no border crisis". El Paso was ready to declare an emergency before the 2022 midterms. They were told to shutup and then Biden had the streets and storm drainage systems cleared of migrants before his visit.
Now Trump has the responsibility to undue Biden's wrong. He ran his campaign on that and he won.
I don't expect any wall to stop those hellbent on getting in. It's more symbolic than effective. And there are all kinds of ways to get in. I expect IMMEDIATE DUE PROCESS for those caught entering illegaly and that process is deportation. And just because Biden aided and abetted their illegal entry months ago makes no difference. I expect a president who maintains a decent vigil on protecting our borders.
There will be those with underlying circumstances like Garcia and another named Camargo. IMO, Trump has to stand tuff but in the end those entitled to Due Process because of some other court agreement will get it, but not without a fight. What Biden did was horrific. It will takes years to undue even half of it. And show of weakness now only makes it so much harder and the dem politicians know it.
The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency.
Sorry, but that is a spit your coffee out and laugh till it hurts statement.
El Paso, 2023; El Paso will declare a "state of emergency" starting Monday in anticipation of a potential influx of thousands of migrants with the end of Title 42 pandemic law next week, Mayor Oscar Leeser said at a Sunday news conference.
Sept 2022; New York Mayor Eric Adams declared a state of emergency on Friday over the “humanitarian crisis” of thousands of asylum-seekers who are being sent to his city from out of state.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an emergency declaration on Tuesday in response to the significant number of people arriving in Chicago who are seeking asylum in the U.S. since last year, what her office called a "national humanitarian crisis."
An unprecedented surge of 4,000 migrants streamed across the US border with Mexico into Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday — forcing the overwhelmed city to declare a state of emergency.
Tell us all, when has cities declaring emergencies over migrants EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BIDEN??
The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency.
Sorry, but that is a spit your coffee out and laugh till it hurts statement.
El Paso, 2023; El Paso will declare a "state of emergency" starting Monday in anticipation of a potential influx of thousands of migrants with the end of Title 42 pandemic law next week, Mayor Oscar Leeser said at a Sunday news conference.
Sept 2022; New York Mayor Eric Adams declared a state of emergency on Friday over the “humanitarian crisis” of thousands of asylum-seekers who are being sent to his city from out of state.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an emergency declaration on Tuesday in response to the significant number of people arriving in Chicago who are seeking asylum in the U.S. since last year, what her office called a "national humanitarian crisis."
An unprecedented surge of 4,000 migrants streamed across the US border with Mexico into Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday — forcing the overwhelmed city to declare a state of emergency.
Tell us all, when has cities declaring emergencies over migrants EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BIDEN??
I live in AZ and have for over two decades. the border is something we deal with every single day so spare me the outrage, more than most outside of Tuc Slim I get it quite well thank you.
Your Biden narrative and explosion does not really jive with what Ive seen down here what I have read and what people have been saying, what does jive is the extremists who are aggressively seeking the opportunity to exaggerate and exploit and those people every election cycle ramp up the crazy and act kind of like you have. What I find an emergency is tuition loans and the inflation that college students have faced for three decades and the burden it places on those seeking opportunities to get good jobs, that also includes trade schools because those are not free either. We want an educated and functioning population but we will do nothing to stop the price ramping and the anchor it puts on people for decades after finishing school.
What you will maybe never end up realizing because you are a partisan zealot and are bent on forwarding your political agendas is that the border could be completely open and free, people could come and go...the border could be a lock down max prison wall with ZERO border concerns and guess what, nothing changes in your life and nothing improves in society. The law of averages and history prove that your contention and ranting is baloney because all groups of people have a segment who are lousy a segment who will seek to sell and manufacture drugs a segment who kill innocent people a segment who have no value for anyone but themselves, this is human nature. You are so fixated on the outliers and the lunacy of your own party that you completely lose a grip on the concept of human nature and unless you want to have a 100% overhaul of our freedoms and rights and get extremely restrictive say like Japan then NOTHING WILL CHANGE with a stupid wall or a closed border.
@UNIMAN
Again..
I live in AZ and have for over two decades. the border is something we deal with every single day so spare me the outrage, more than most outside of Tuc Slim I get it quite well thank you.
Your Biden narrative and explosion does not really jive with what Ive seen down here what I have read and what people have been saying, what does jive is the extremists who are aggressively seeking the opportunity to exaggerate and exploit and those people every election cycle ramp up the crazy and act kind of like you have. What I find an emergency is tuition loans and the inflation that college students have faced for three decades and the burden it places on those seeking opportunities to get good jobs, that also includes trade schools because those are not free either. We want an educated and functioning population but we will do nothing to stop the price ramping and the anchor it puts on people for decades after finishing school.
What you will maybe never end up realizing because you are a partisan zealot and are bent on forwarding your political agendas is that the border could be completely open and free, people could come and go...the border could be a lock down max prison wall with ZERO border concerns and guess what, nothing changes in your life and nothing improves in society. The law of averages and history prove that your contention and ranting is baloney because all groups of people have a segment who are lousy a segment who will seek to sell and manufacture drugs a segment who kill innocent people a segment who have no value for anyone but themselves, this is human nature. You are so fixated on the outliers and the lunacy of your own party that you completely lose a grip on the concept of human nature and unless you want to have a 100% overhaul of our freedoms and rights and get extremely restrictive say like Japan then NOTHING WILL CHANGE with a stupid wall or a closed border.
Dealing with it cannot come from taxing other countries,
That is not exactly what is going on completely.
Even so, it would certainly deal with part of it.
If you say it will not deal with it. What exactly would you do to deal with it?
Do you want to shore up the border?
The border seems much better now. The Democrats kept saying the illegals could not be stopped without all sorts of legislation. Quite obviously they were wrong. So, now imagine them handling the stuff Trump is trying to fix now. They would want more and more legislation and committees to study it. They never fix anything.
It would be like saying the ER is being used so the resident doctor can build a man cave because it is an emergency.
No, it is not like that at all. This is a very poor analogy. Totally different issues and not comparable.
Funny how you minimize deficits and spending and inflation to ONE source but forward it with another, very funny. Student loan debt is consumer deficit spending, much of the federal debt and deficits are not core high importance needs
Not funny at all. Because I am not comparing them. One is a personal choice and one is NOT a personal choice, but a choice made FOR you by Congress. Why should the government make itself worse by fixing YOUR bad personal choices and NOT rewarding other’s good choices. That is a very, very poor comparison.
The mindset may be the same in the USA, in that folks tend to live in debt and, as a group, the country tends to run the government in debt. But taking on more debt will not fix that problem. I have never minimized a person’s bad choices about taking on debt, I have long railed against that. I am more against that than I am against the government doing it. Both need fixing but are two very, very different issues and not very comparable.
@wallstreetcappers
Dealing with it cannot come from taxing other countries,
That is not exactly what is going on completely.
Even so, it would certainly deal with part of it.
If you say it will not deal with it. What exactly would you do to deal with it?
Do you want to shore up the border?
The border seems much better now. The Democrats kept saying the illegals could not be stopped without all sorts of legislation. Quite obviously they were wrong. So, now imagine them handling the stuff Trump is trying to fix now. They would want more and more legislation and committees to study it. They never fix anything.
It would be like saying the ER is being used so the resident doctor can build a man cave because it is an emergency.
No, it is not like that at all. This is a very poor analogy. Totally different issues and not comparable.
Funny how you minimize deficits and spending and inflation to ONE source but forward it with another, very funny. Student loan debt is consumer deficit spending, much of the federal debt and deficits are not core high importance needs
Not funny at all. Because I am not comparing them. One is a personal choice and one is NOT a personal choice, but a choice made FOR you by Congress. Why should the government make itself worse by fixing YOUR bad personal choices and NOT rewarding other’s good choices. That is a very, very poor comparison.
The mindset may be the same in the USA, in that folks tend to live in debt and, as a group, the country tends to run the government in debt. But taking on more debt will not fix that problem. I have never minimized a person’s bad choices about taking on debt, I have long railed against that. I am more against that than I am against the government doing it. Both need fixing but are two very, very different issues and not very comparable.
I don't expect any wall to stop those hellbent on getting in. It's more symbolic than effective. And there are all kinds of ways to get in.
I am not for a wall because as I have always said, if you take the incentive away it late felt takes care of itself. As we have seen at least twice now.
But I disagree that a wall is only symbolic. They are actually very effective. You can look at various ways examples around the world and just in cities. It makes it very difficult to get by through, etc.
But it is not necessary in the USA’s case. But it would be effective.
@UNIMAN
I don't expect any wall to stop those hellbent on getting in. It's more symbolic than effective. And there are all kinds of ways to get in.
I am not for a wall because as I have always said, if you take the incentive away it late felt takes care of itself. As we have seen at least twice now.
But I disagree that a wall is only symbolic. They are actually very effective. You can look at various ways examples around the world and just in cities. It makes it very difficult to get by through, etc.
But it is not necessary in the USA’s case. But it would be effective.
The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency. Sorry, but that is a spit your coffee out and laugh till it hurts statement. El Paso, 2023; El Paso will declare a "state of emergency" starting Monday in anticipation of a potential influx of thousands of migrants with the end of Title 42 pandemic law next week, Mayor Oscar Leeser said at a Sunday news conference. Sept 2022; New York Mayor Eric Adams declared a state of emergency on Friday over the “humanitarian crisis” of thousands of asylum-seekers who are being sent to his city from out of state. Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an emergency declaration on Tuesday in response to the significant number of people arriving in Chicago who are seeking asylum in the U.S. since last year, what her office called a "national humanitarian crisis." An unprecedented surge of 4,000 migrants streamed across the US border with Mexico into Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday — forcing the overwhelmed city to declare a state of emergency. Tell us all, when has cities declaring emergencies over migrants EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BIDEN??
It was an absolute disaster.......probably the most egregious act by any potus in........well maybe ever.
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency. Sorry, but that is a spit your coffee out and laugh till it hurts statement. El Paso, 2023; El Paso will declare a "state of emergency" starting Monday in anticipation of a potential influx of thousands of migrants with the end of Title 42 pandemic law next week, Mayor Oscar Leeser said at a Sunday news conference. Sept 2022; New York Mayor Eric Adams declared a state of emergency on Friday over the “humanitarian crisis” of thousands of asylum-seekers who are being sent to his city from out of state. Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an emergency declaration on Tuesday in response to the significant number of people arriving in Chicago who are seeking asylum in the U.S. since last year, what her office called a "national humanitarian crisis." An unprecedented surge of 4,000 migrants streamed across the US border with Mexico into Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday — forcing the overwhelmed city to declare a state of emergency. Tell us all, when has cities declaring emergencies over migrants EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BIDEN??
It was an absolute disaster.......probably the most egregious act by any potus in........well maybe ever.
Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.
Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.
Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.
Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs".
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.
Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs".
Elsie Stefanik has reentered the workforce. Remember her?
She's running for Governor of NY. Little Elsie learned about Dumbo Donnie's one way street when it comes to loyalty. She lost her job when the Dipshit pulled her UN Ambassador nomination. Last night she attended a memorial event & was booed off the stage by her constituents. I'd say it was a well deserved reception.
Rumor has it that she's still getting booed.
Elsie Stefanik has reentered the workforce. Remember her?
She's running for Governor of NY. Little Elsie learned about Dumbo Donnie's one way street when it comes to loyalty. She lost her job when the Dipshit pulled her UN Ambassador nomination. Last night she attended a memorial event & was booed off the stage by her constituents. I'd say it was a well deserved reception.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs".
Wasn't Daffy Donald president during Covid?
If I'm not mistaken he was the guy who told the country that Covid would disappear when warmer weather arrived.
Didn't he tell the Governors to find their own Covid supplies while advising people to stay home & away from restaurants etc.
Joe was left to straighten out the country when your fecally impacted leader shit the bed.
Trying re-write history just like Dum Dum Donnie????
Bwhaaaaaaaaa
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs".
Wasn't Daffy Donald president during Covid?
If I'm not mistaken he was the guy who told the country that Covid would disappear when warmer weather arrived.
Didn't he tell the Governors to find their own Covid supplies while advising people to stay home & away from restaurants etc.
Joe was left to straighten out the country when your fecally impacted leader shit the bed.
Trying re-write history just like Dum Dum Donnie????
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs".
I used to hate the term gaslighting. Or more precisely, I hated it's overuse. You see, around 10 or so years ago, every beauty school drop out in the dive bar became a freaking Ph.D and started waxing about narcissism and gaslighting. It became nauseating. Now I find myself using the term daily. The fact is, whether here or in the world in general, the Democrats continue to gaslight us. And touting Biden's job creation when we all know it was simply people going back to work after covid shutdowns is a perfect example of this. Another example was, "Crime is down under Biden," when it had hit 25 years under Biden, and had nowhere to go but down.
I didn't blame Biden for the uptick in crime per se either but to credit him with bringing crime down, or for creating jobs, is completely asinine.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs".
I used to hate the term gaslighting. Or more precisely, I hated it's overuse. You see, around 10 or so years ago, every beauty school drop out in the dive bar became a freaking Ph.D and started waxing about narcissism and gaslighting. It became nauseating. Now I find myself using the term daily. The fact is, whether here or in the world in general, the Democrats continue to gaslight us. And touting Biden's job creation when we all know it was simply people going back to work after covid shutdowns is a perfect example of this. Another example was, "Crime is down under Biden," when it had hit 25 years under Biden, and had nowhere to go but down.
I didn't blame Biden for the uptick in crime per se either but to credit him with bringing crime down, or for creating jobs, is completely asinine.
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs". Wasn't Daffy Donald president during Covid? If I'm not mistaken he was the guy who told the country that Covid would disappear when warmer weather arrived. Didn't he tell the Governors to find their own Covid supplies while advising people to stay home & away from restaurants etc. Joe was left to straighten out the country when your fecally impacted leader shit the bed. Trying re-write history just like Dum Dum Donnie???? Bwhaaaaaaaaa
How did Donald shit the bed? And how did Biden right the country? You're my bro so I value your thoughts. I just disagree with your thesis.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs". Wasn't Daffy Donald president during Covid? If I'm not mistaken he was the guy who told the country that Covid would disappear when warmer weather arrived. Didn't he tell the Governors to find their own Covid supplies while advising people to stay home & away from restaurants etc. Joe was left to straighten out the country when your fecally impacted leader shit the bed. Trying re-write history just like Dum Dum Donnie???? Bwhaaaaaaaaa
How did Donald shit the bed? And how did Biden right the country? You're my bro so I value your thoughts. I just disagree with your thesis.
.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs".
Pandemic hurt US economy under both Trump and Biden. But the closer one looks at Biden's record the better it appears. The worst year for job creation under Biden was comparable to the best year under Trump. According to Bureau of labor statistics, more jobs were added under Biden than in the first 3 years in any presidency.
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs".
Pandemic hurt US economy under both Trump and Biden. But the closer one looks at Biden's record the better it appears. The worst year for job creation under Biden was comparable to the best year under Trump. According to Bureau of labor statistics, more jobs were added under Biden than in the first 3 years in any presidency.
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: .Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs". Pandemic hurt US economy under both Trump and Biden. But the closer one looks at Biden's record the better it appears. The worst year for job creation under Biden was comparable to the best year under Trump. According to Bureau of labor statistics, more jobs were added under Biden than in the first 3 years in any presidency.
Looks good on paper......til you figure in all the people that were fired for not getting vaxx'd or laid off due to biz closures (thanks Biden & lib Govs.). Let's face it, their claim of adding 10 million jobs is laughable, hence the .
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: .Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs". Pandemic hurt US economy under both Trump and Biden. But the closer one looks at Biden's record the better it appears. The worst year for job creation under Biden was comparable to the best year under Trump. According to Bureau of labor statistics, more jobs were added under Biden than in the first 3 years in any presidency.
Looks good on paper......til you figure in all the people that were fired for not getting vaxx'd or laid off due to biz closures (thanks Biden & lib Govs.). Let's face it, their claim of adding 10 million jobs is laughable, hence the .
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs". Wasn't Daffy Donald president during Covid? If I'm not mistaken he was the guy who told the country that Covid would disappear when warmer weather arrived. Didn't he tell the Governors to find their own Covid supplies while advising people to stay home & away from restaurants etc. Joe was left to straighten out the country when your fecally impacted leader shit the bed. Trying re-write history just like Dum Dum Donnie???? Bwhaaaaaaaaa How did Donald shit the bed? And how did Biden right the country? You're my bro so I value your thoughts. I just disagree with your thesis.
Stu, right out of the gate he lied to us all by saying Covid would disappear when the weather became warmer. He kept minimizing it's impact on society while having the FDA chasing down bullshit remedies like hydroxychloroquine. He demonized researchers when their findings didn't match the bullshit he was peddling. There was no plan to handle the logistical nightmare of providing supplies as simple as masks for 1st responders & put his son in law Kushner in charge for sourcing those supplies for which he was totally unqualified for that role.
Do you remember Snorkel? He & I heard about 1st Responders in Myrtle Beach, SC using masks for multiple days because they didn't have replacements & we did something for those 1st Responders. Simple masks weren't' available & our supply chain failed because of his failure to embrace business leaders during the crisis. Testing wasn't available for most of the country & in fact, he wanted testing to slow down to reduce the # of positive cases. He required a quid pro quo from Governors begging for necessary supplies. Governors were forced to find their own supplies & make their own deals. He scheduled daily press conferences that made the situation worse with horrible advice & misinformation. He kept telling Americans the chance of contracting Covid was "very very low" which was total bullshit. His anti science approach added to the confusion & his lack of leadership was clearly evident during this period.
Biden took over with a well constructed plan to make testing & vaccinations available for everyone who wanted them. Deaths were at a record high when Biden took over & worked to restored trust which was critical during the pandemic. We got the good news & the bad news without all the bullshit. It's almost impossible to restore trust once it's lost. He slowly worked to reopen schools, businesses & travel while also ensuring safe work environments resulting in many jobs being conducted from the homes of the workforce. He utilized the Defense Production Act working with companies to manufacture respirators, masks & ventilators. He inspired small companies to help provide masks, gloves & scrubs for 1st Responders & others in the medical field. The supply chain was put in motion again & Governors didn't have to give away their 1st son to get federal assistance. He challenges the country to produce & rollout 100 million vaccinations during his first 100 days in office.
I'll stop here instead of beating a dead horse. Plus I have to cap my fantasy football selections before the season starts.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Under Trump, new high school and college grads entering workforce are facing the worst job market since the 1980s according to Federal reserve bank of Richmond. In contrast, US economy added more jobs during Biden's term than under Trump, Obama or Bush.Coming back to work after libs shut down cities during covid isn't "adding jobs". Wasn't Daffy Donald president during Covid? If I'm not mistaken he was the guy who told the country that Covid would disappear when warmer weather arrived. Didn't he tell the Governors to find their own Covid supplies while advising people to stay home & away from restaurants etc. Joe was left to straighten out the country when your fecally impacted leader shit the bed. Trying re-write history just like Dum Dum Donnie???? Bwhaaaaaaaaa How did Donald shit the bed? And how did Biden right the country? You're my bro so I value your thoughts. I just disagree with your thesis.
Stu, right out of the gate he lied to us all by saying Covid would disappear when the weather became warmer. He kept minimizing it's impact on society while having the FDA chasing down bullshit remedies like hydroxychloroquine. He demonized researchers when their findings didn't match the bullshit he was peddling. There was no plan to handle the logistical nightmare of providing supplies as simple as masks for 1st responders & put his son in law Kushner in charge for sourcing those supplies for which he was totally unqualified for that role.
Do you remember Snorkel? He & I heard about 1st Responders in Myrtle Beach, SC using masks for multiple days because they didn't have replacements & we did something for those 1st Responders. Simple masks weren't' available & our supply chain failed because of his failure to embrace business leaders during the crisis. Testing wasn't available for most of the country & in fact, he wanted testing to slow down to reduce the # of positive cases. He required a quid pro quo from Governors begging for necessary supplies. Governors were forced to find their own supplies & make their own deals. He scheduled daily press conferences that made the situation worse with horrible advice & misinformation. He kept telling Americans the chance of contracting Covid was "very very low" which was total bullshit. His anti science approach added to the confusion & his lack of leadership was clearly evident during this period.
Biden took over with a well constructed plan to make testing & vaccinations available for everyone who wanted them. Deaths were at a record high when Biden took over & worked to restored trust which was critical during the pandemic. We got the good news & the bad news without all the bullshit. It's almost impossible to restore trust once it's lost. He slowly worked to reopen schools, businesses & travel while also ensuring safe work environments resulting in many jobs being conducted from the homes of the workforce. He utilized the Defense Production Act working with companies to manufacture respirators, masks & ventilators. He inspired small companies to help provide masks, gloves & scrubs for 1st Responders & others in the medical field. The supply chain was put in motion again & Governors didn't have to give away their 1st son to get federal assistance. He challenges the country to produce & rollout 100 million vaccinations during his first 100 days in office.
I'll stop here instead of beating a dead horse. Plus I have to cap my fantasy football selections before the season starts.
He never lied and said it would all disappear when the weather turned warmer. He said he thought it would, and hoped it would. Upper respiratory viruses aren't typically prevalent in warmer weather.
He never minimized the impact. That's pure conjecture.
Hydroxycloroquine showed potential effectiveness. So did remdesivir. They were buried though, probably to appease big pharma.
He never demonized any experts. When and where? Again, this is pure conjecture.
With the exception of N95 masks, what supply chain issues were there that can be blamed on Trump? I'll give you lack of N95 masks.
Testing was literally available to most of the country. I live in rural Oregon. Free testing was readily available. It was available in Washington state. It was available in Texas where my parents are. It was available in California. It was available in Georgia. These are the places I can speak for personally but I feel they represent a pretty good cross section of the country. The take home tests weren't immediately available because they hadn't been invented yet.
The chance of contracting covid is actually low. That is to say, the so called experts had us thinking you could get it from touching surfaces, that it was airborne, etc. That was bullshit. Common sense. If someone with covid sneezes on you, sure, you might get it. I've shared joints with people who end up with covid without getting it.
Biden never had a plan. The vaccine was rolled out under under Trump. Trump mobilized the pharmaceutical companies. Trump signed off on the funding. How are we crediting Biden with this? Biden, in the beginning, had some of the worst Covid death numbers. This is with the vaccine.
Biden worked to reopen schools, businesses, and travel thst probably should've never been closed. That Democrats pushed to close. Biden didn't have to do anything. The country had already started to stabilize under Trump. No hoarding toilet paper. A vaccine in place. Biden got roll in and say, "Welp, I guess we can open everything up." And what happened? Everyone got covid. Regardless of vaccination status. Literally every person I know got covid. The vaccine is a sensative subject so let's not dive too deeply into it but i'll just say that there is no measurable metric that points to the vaccine even being effective. Herd immunity is what beat covid. Or more specifically, it's what made covid endemic. Herd immunity is what beat the spanish flu but thst was also buried, probably by big pharma.
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@Midnight1
He never lied and said it would all disappear when the weather turned warmer. He said he thought it would, and hoped it would. Upper respiratory viruses aren't typically prevalent in warmer weather.
He never minimized the impact. That's pure conjecture.
Hydroxycloroquine showed potential effectiveness. So did remdesivir. They were buried though, probably to appease big pharma.
He never demonized any experts. When and where? Again, this is pure conjecture.
With the exception of N95 masks, what supply chain issues were there that can be blamed on Trump? I'll give you lack of N95 masks.
Testing was literally available to most of the country. I live in rural Oregon. Free testing was readily available. It was available in Washington state. It was available in Texas where my parents are. It was available in California. It was available in Georgia. These are the places I can speak for personally but I feel they represent a pretty good cross section of the country. The take home tests weren't immediately available because they hadn't been invented yet.
The chance of contracting covid is actually low. That is to say, the so called experts had us thinking you could get it from touching surfaces, that it was airborne, etc. That was bullshit. Common sense. If someone with covid sneezes on you, sure, you might get it. I've shared joints with people who end up with covid without getting it.
Biden never had a plan. The vaccine was rolled out under under Trump. Trump mobilized the pharmaceutical companies. Trump signed off on the funding. How are we crediting Biden with this? Biden, in the beginning, had some of the worst Covid death numbers. This is with the vaccine.
Biden worked to reopen schools, businesses, and travel thst probably should've never been closed. That Democrats pushed to close. Biden didn't have to do anything. The country had already started to stabilize under Trump. No hoarding toilet paper. A vaccine in place. Biden got roll in and say, "Welp, I guess we can open everything up." And what happened? Everyone got covid. Regardless of vaccination status. Literally every person I know got covid. The vaccine is a sensative subject so let's not dive too deeply into it but i'll just say that there is no measurable metric that points to the vaccine even being effective. Herd immunity is what beat covid. Or more specifically, it's what made covid endemic. Herd immunity is what beat the spanish flu but thst was also buried, probably by big pharma.
One of the biggest fallacies perpetuated by the left is that anything could've been different. This thing came out of nowhere and punched us is the mouth. And we aren't the only first world country that suffered loss of life. No one had the answers. The so-called experts, that you say Trump undermined, that I would say he supported, they were pretty much all wrong.
Democrats wanted the country shut completely down. This was a huge mistake. Regardless of this, Trump made federal unemployment available, even thought it was exploited, and PPP loans that were pretty much all forgiven, even though they were exploited too. The vaccine was developed in record time due to US investment. Free testing was always available. Many people tested multiple times for the same sickness, which led to numbers skewed higher. Under Biden, people mostly tested at home, or just didn't test, which made numbers seem lower than they were. And Biden still had high death totals.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
@Midnight1
One of the biggest fallacies perpetuated by the left is that anything could've been different. This thing came out of nowhere and punched us is the mouth. And we aren't the only first world country that suffered loss of life. No one had the answers. The so-called experts, that you say Trump undermined, that I would say he supported, they were pretty much all wrong.
Democrats wanted the country shut completely down. This was a huge mistake. Regardless of this, Trump made federal unemployment available, even thought it was exploited, and PPP loans that were pretty much all forgiven, even though they were exploited too. The vaccine was developed in record time due to US investment. Free testing was always available. Many people tested multiple times for the same sickness, which led to numbers skewed higher. Under Biden, people mostly tested at home, or just didn't test, which made numbers seem lower than they were. And Biden still had high death totals.
We pretty much aced that shit - when you have lower death numbers (adjusted for population) than Australia that can pretty much just shut its borders - you are doing something correct - and that is even though two of our biggest “exchange” countries (where Danes work or where their population work here) UK and Sweden did awful amongst the two worst in Europe
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
“No one had the answers”
*Denmark has entered the chat*
We pretty much aced that shit - when you have lower death numbers (adjusted for population) than Australia that can pretty much just shut its borders - you are doing something correct - and that is even though two of our biggest “exchange” countries (where Danes work or where their population work here) UK and Sweden did awful amongst the two worst in Europe
“No one had the answers” *Denmark has entered the chat* We pretty much aced that shit - when you have lower death numbers (adjusted for population) than Australia that can pretty much just shut its borders - you are doing something correct - and that is even though two of our biggest “exchange” countries (where Danes work or where their population work here) UK and Sweden did awful amongst the two worst in Europe if you want to read why the experts think it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/20/denmark-appears-have-beaten-covid-19-now-here-is-how-it-did-it/
You guys are a small country of relatively healthy individuals. Individuals lacking comorbidities. And limited international travel. Probably weren't a ton of people from Wuhan, China coming into Denmark, right? It would be like saying Maine figured out covid. I'm sure Maine has low covid deaths too. You guys didn't figure shit out.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:
“No one had the answers” *Denmark has entered the chat* We pretty much aced that shit - when you have lower death numbers (adjusted for population) than Australia that can pretty much just shut its borders - you are doing something correct - and that is even though two of our biggest “exchange” countries (where Danes work or where their population work here) UK and Sweden did awful amongst the two worst in Europe if you want to read why the experts think it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/20/denmark-appears-have-beaten-covid-19-now-here-is-how-it-did-it/
You guys are a small country of relatively healthy individuals. Individuals lacking comorbidities. And limited international travel. Probably weren't a ton of people from Wuhan, China coming into Denmark, right? It would be like saying Maine figured out covid. I'm sure Maine has low covid deaths too. You guys didn't figure shit out.
Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: “No one had the answers” *Denmark has entered the chat* We pretty much aced that shit - when you have lower death numbers (adjusted for population) than Australia that can pretty much just shut its borders - you are doing something correct - and that is even though two of our biggest “exchange” countries (where Danes work or where their population work here) UK and Sweden did awful amongst the two worst in Europe if you want to read why the experts think it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/20/denmark-appears-have-beaten-covid-19-now-here-is-how-it-did-it/ You guys are a small country of relatively healthy individuals. Individuals lacking comorbidities. And limited international travel. Probably weren't a ton of people from Wuhan, China coming into Denmark, right? It would be like saying Maine figured out covid. I'm sure Maine has low covid deaths too. You guys didn't figure shit out.
You have already decided what your conclusion will be in this case - so I don’t see much sense in arguing with you - but yes we have tons of Chinese people coming in (relative to our size) our first case of Covid 19 was less than 10 days after yours (and are you serious - Copenhagen lacking international travel :) Are you high?)
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: “No one had the answers” *Denmark has entered the chat* We pretty much aced that shit - when you have lower death numbers (adjusted for population) than Australia that can pretty much just shut its borders - you are doing something correct - and that is even though two of our biggest “exchange” countries (where Danes work or where their population work here) UK and Sweden did awful amongst the two worst in Europe if you want to read why the experts think it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/20/denmark-appears-have-beaten-covid-19-now-here-is-how-it-did-it/ You guys are a small country of relatively healthy individuals. Individuals lacking comorbidities. And limited international travel. Probably weren't a ton of people from Wuhan, China coming into Denmark, right? It would be like saying Maine figured out covid. I'm sure Maine has low covid deaths too. You guys didn't figure shit out.
You have already decided what your conclusion will be in this case - so I don’t see much sense in arguing with you - but yes we have tons of Chinese people coming in (relative to our size) our first case of Covid 19 was less than 10 days after yours (and are you serious - Copenhagen lacking international travel :) Are you high?)
Yes, I have concluded. Again, small population. Generally healthy. You guys didn't figure anything out. That's no knock on Denmark. I think highly of of Denmark. Yoi guys didn't figure anything out though.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
@Calde13
Yes, I have concluded. Again, small population. Generally healthy. You guys didn't figure anything out. That's no knock on Denmark. I think highly of of Denmark. Yoi guys didn't figure anything out though.
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