Trump is sliding down that dictator slope ... Are you really concerned about the border to the extent that you would debase and destroy due process? If so then why are you not supporting a serious investment on a very long term basis to help improve a situation you feel is deserving of destroying our due process rights? If you want the border to be sealed then seal it, we have never in the history of the country spent the time and resources to seal the border, the concept and issue is used as a power grab and vote grab we are not serious about changing the border dynamic. The investment and resource requirements are enormous and I do not see Trump plowing forward to fix the border, I do see Trump using the partisan tool to take power and validating it from this mythical boogie man like a true dictator.
Precisely what those of us without partisan blinders on have witnessed!
And I am firmly convinced the whole border wall issue is rooted in RACISM.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Trump is sliding down that dictator slope ... Are you really concerned about the border to the extent that you would debase and destroy due process? If so then why are you not supporting a serious investment on a very long term basis to help improve a situation you feel is deserving of destroying our due process rights? If you want the border to be sealed then seal it, we have never in the history of the country spent the time and resources to seal the border, the concept and issue is used as a power grab and vote grab we are not serious about changing the border dynamic. The investment and resource requirements are enormous and I do not see Trump plowing forward to fix the border, I do see Trump using the partisan tool to take power and validating it from this mythical boogie man like a true dictator.
Precisely what those of us without partisan blinders on have witnessed!
And I am firmly convinced the whole border wall issue is rooted in RACISM.
Dealing with it cannot come from taxing other countries, we are not a manufacturing economy and we have carried trade imbalances for decades, thus it is not an emergency. The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency. It would be like saying the ER is being used so the resident doctor can build a man cave because it is an emergency. We are not going to FIX an emergency with an executive order, this is a fascist power grab ploy. If your idea of solving a problem is to raise prices and inflation on the US consumer then you do not understand how to solve problems. If you think the way to stop drugs is to deport minorities then you do not understand the drug trade.
Do you want to shore up the border? Then shore it up...deporting here and there the project 2025 way is not going to fix the border problem but hey it gets votes and it gives Trump basis to seize political power and usurp the legislative and judicial process. This approach he has is not the way to fix problems, there is no emergency.
Has Trump reduced spending and deficits, did he last time and does he plan on doing so? No and no...so your contention number three has absolutely no basis either. Your side will keep spending and raising debt levels because that is what politicians do. You just cheer the spending when your butt is in the seat and whine about it when yours is not in the seat.
Funny how you minimize deficits and spending and inflation to ONE source but forward it with another, very funny. Student loan debt is consumer deficit spending, much of the federal debt and deficits are not core high importance needs rather are partisan honey pots and vote grabs, very discretionary. We could cut off subsidies and corporate freebies so easily but I do not see Trump seeking to cut spending through PAC and lobbyist routes, the federal government could easily reduce spending and debt if we wanted to it is 100% the same as student loan debt. How would you have reacted if Biden had thrown down a Trump scheme and just poof forgave all debt and eliminated the federal department which functions for student loans? Just wiped it clean with an executive order? You would be OUTRAGED...I am outraged at his dictator power gab abuse through the term emergency.
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@Raiders22
Dealing with it cannot come from taxing other countries, we are not a manufacturing economy and we have carried trade imbalances for decades, thus it is not an emergency. The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency. It would be like saying the ER is being used so the resident doctor can build a man cave because it is an emergency. We are not going to FIX an emergency with an executive order, this is a fascist power grab ploy. If your idea of solving a problem is to raise prices and inflation on the US consumer then you do not understand how to solve problems. If you think the way to stop drugs is to deport minorities then you do not understand the drug trade.
Do you want to shore up the border? Then shore it up...deporting here and there the project 2025 way is not going to fix the border problem but hey it gets votes and it gives Trump basis to seize political power and usurp the legislative and judicial process. This approach he has is not the way to fix problems, there is no emergency.
Has Trump reduced spending and deficits, did he last time and does he plan on doing so? No and no...so your contention number three has absolutely no basis either. Your side will keep spending and raising debt levels because that is what politicians do. You just cheer the spending when your butt is in the seat and whine about it when yours is not in the seat.
Funny how you minimize deficits and spending and inflation to ONE source but forward it with another, very funny. Student loan debt is consumer deficit spending, much of the federal debt and deficits are not core high importance needs rather are partisan honey pots and vote grabs, very discretionary. We could cut off subsidies and corporate freebies so easily but I do not see Trump seeking to cut spending through PAC and lobbyist routes, the federal government could easily reduce spending and debt if we wanted to it is 100% the same as student loan debt. How would you have reacted if Biden had thrown down a Trump scheme and just poof forgave all debt and eliminated the federal department which functions for student loans? Just wiped it clean with an executive order? You would be OUTRAGED...I am outraged at his dictator power gab abuse through the term emergency.
@UNIMAN Living in AZ for two decades I consider what you said as partisan bluster, that also is not what the dictator KING power grab is about completely. There is due process and for you to suggest that due process can be removed when the POTUS alone decides is a very poor position to have as a citizen of this country. No POTUS should be celebrated for usurping our rights and our process as a country. Trump is sliding down that dictator slope and you have followed his path because you are part of the TNC party and you agree with their narrative. Are you really concerned about the border to the extent that you would debase and destroy due process? If so then why are you not supporting a serious investment on a very long term basis to help improve a situation you feel is deserving of destroying our due process rights? If you want the border to be sealed then seal it, we have never in the history of the country spent the time and resources to seal the border, the concept and issue is used as a power grab and vote grab we are not serious about changing the border dynamic. The investment and resource requirements are enormous and I do not see Trump plowing forward to fix the border, I do see Trump using the partisan tool to take power and validating it from this mythical boogie man like a true dictator.
NO, it's like this; Other presidents did their job and had assylum seekers go through the DUE PROCESS to become American citizens like my great-great grandparents did. Obama quickly rounded up those who just walked in and had them properly deported without any hearing or DUE PROCESS. Biden threw DUE PROCESS out the window and told people to "Surge the border". He then had Border Patrol act like a clearing house releasing thousands daily instead of patrolling the border. He had ICE basically stand down as we saw with Garcia's Tenn. traffic stop. He went even further shuttling immigrants across the country in the dead of the night by plane. Soon cities across the country were overwhelmed by immigrants. Millions of dollars that could have been spent on OUR needy citizens diverted to luxury hotel stays, food and board. All the while "There is no border crisis". El Paso was ready to declare an emergency before the 2022 midterms. They were told to shutup and then Biden had the streets and storm drainage systems cleared of migrants before his visit.
Now Trump has the responsibility to undue Biden's wrong. He ran his campaign on that and he won.
I don't expect any wall to stop those hellbent on getting in. It's more symbolic than effective. And there are all kinds of ways to get in. I expect IMMEDIATE DUE PROCESS for those caught entering illegaly and that process is deportation. And just because Biden aided and abetted their illegal entry months ago makes no difference. I expect a president who maintains a decent vigil on protecting our borders.
There will be those with underlying circumstances like Garcia and another named Camargo. IMO, Trump has to stand tuff but in the end those entitled to Due Process because of some other court agreement will get it, but not without a fight. What Biden did was horrific. It will takes years to undue even half of it. And show of weakness now only makes it so much harder and the dem politicians know it.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@UNIMAN Living in AZ for two decades I consider what you said as partisan bluster, that also is not what the dictator KING power grab is about completely. There is due process and for you to suggest that due process can be removed when the POTUS alone decides is a very poor position to have as a citizen of this country. No POTUS should be celebrated for usurping our rights and our process as a country. Trump is sliding down that dictator slope and you have followed his path because you are part of the TNC party and you agree with their narrative. Are you really concerned about the border to the extent that you would debase and destroy due process? If so then why are you not supporting a serious investment on a very long term basis to help improve a situation you feel is deserving of destroying our due process rights? If you want the border to be sealed then seal it, we have never in the history of the country spent the time and resources to seal the border, the concept and issue is used as a power grab and vote grab we are not serious about changing the border dynamic. The investment and resource requirements are enormous and I do not see Trump plowing forward to fix the border, I do see Trump using the partisan tool to take power and validating it from this mythical boogie man like a true dictator.
NO, it's like this; Other presidents did their job and had assylum seekers go through the DUE PROCESS to become American citizens like my great-great grandparents did. Obama quickly rounded up those who just walked in and had them properly deported without any hearing or DUE PROCESS. Biden threw DUE PROCESS out the window and told people to "Surge the border". He then had Border Patrol act like a clearing house releasing thousands daily instead of patrolling the border. He had ICE basically stand down as we saw with Garcia's Tenn. traffic stop. He went even further shuttling immigrants across the country in the dead of the night by plane. Soon cities across the country were overwhelmed by immigrants. Millions of dollars that could have been spent on OUR needy citizens diverted to luxury hotel stays, food and board. All the while "There is no border crisis". El Paso was ready to declare an emergency before the 2022 midterms. They were told to shutup and then Biden had the streets and storm drainage systems cleared of migrants before his visit.
Now Trump has the responsibility to undue Biden's wrong. He ran his campaign on that and he won.
I don't expect any wall to stop those hellbent on getting in. It's more symbolic than effective. And there are all kinds of ways to get in. I expect IMMEDIATE DUE PROCESS for those caught entering illegaly and that process is deportation. And just because Biden aided and abetted their illegal entry months ago makes no difference. I expect a president who maintains a decent vigil on protecting our borders.
There will be those with underlying circumstances like Garcia and another named Camargo. IMO, Trump has to stand tuff but in the end those entitled to Due Process because of some other court agreement will get it, but not without a fight. What Biden did was horrific. It will takes years to undue even half of it. And show of weakness now only makes it so much harder and the dem politicians know it.
The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency.
Sorry, but that is a spit your coffee out and laugh till it hurts statement.
El Paso, 2023; El Paso will declare a "state of emergency" starting Monday in anticipation of a potential influx of thousands of migrants with the end of Title 42 pandemic law next week, Mayor Oscar Leeser said at a Sunday news conference.
Sept 2022; New York Mayor Eric Adams declared a state of emergency on Friday over the “humanitarian crisis” of thousands of asylum-seekers who are being sent to his city from out of state.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an emergency declaration on Tuesday in response to the significant number of people arriving in Chicago who are seeking asylum in the U.S. since last year, what her office called a "national humanitarian crisis."
An unprecedented surge of 4,000 migrants streamed across the US border with Mexico into Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday — forcing the overwhelmed city to declare a state of emergency.
Tell us all, when has cities declaring emergencies over migrants EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BIDEN??
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The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency.
Sorry, but that is a spit your coffee out and laugh till it hurts statement.
El Paso, 2023; El Paso will declare a "state of emergency" starting Monday in anticipation of a potential influx of thousands of migrants with the end of Title 42 pandemic law next week, Mayor Oscar Leeser said at a Sunday news conference.
Sept 2022; New York Mayor Eric Adams declared a state of emergency on Friday over the “humanitarian crisis” of thousands of asylum-seekers who are being sent to his city from out of state.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an emergency declaration on Tuesday in response to the significant number of people arriving in Chicago who are seeking asylum in the U.S. since last year, what her office called a "national humanitarian crisis."
An unprecedented surge of 4,000 migrants streamed across the US border with Mexico into Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday — forcing the overwhelmed city to declare a state of emergency.
Tell us all, when has cities declaring emergencies over migrants EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BIDEN??
I live in AZ and have for over two decades. the border is something we deal with every single day so spare me the outrage, more than most outside of Tuc Slim I get it quite well thank you.
Your Biden narrative and explosion does not really jive with what Ive seen down here what I have read and what people have been saying, what does jive is the extremists who are aggressively seeking the opportunity to exaggerate and exploit and those people every election cycle ramp up the crazy and act kind of like you have. What I find an emergency is tuition loans and the inflation that college students have faced for three decades and the burden it places on those seeking opportunities to get good jobs, that also includes trade schools because those are not free either. We want an educated and functioning population but we will do nothing to stop the price ramping and the anchor it puts on people for decades after finishing school.
What you will maybe never end up realizing because you are a partisan zealot and are bent on forwarding your political agendas is that the border could be completely open and free, people could come and go...the border could be a lock down max prison wall with ZERO border concerns and guess what, nothing changes in your life and nothing improves in society. The law of averages and history prove that your contention and ranting is baloney because all groups of people have a segment who are lousy a segment who will seek to sell and manufacture drugs a segment who kill innocent people a segment who have no value for anyone but themselves, this is human nature. You are so fixated on the outliers and the lunacy of your own party that you completely lose a grip on the concept of human nature and unless you want to have a 100% overhaul of our freedoms and rights and get extremely restrictive say like Japan then NOTHING WILL CHANGE with a stupid wall or a closed border.
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@UNIMAN
Again..
I live in AZ and have for over two decades. the border is something we deal with every single day so spare me the outrage, more than most outside of Tuc Slim I get it quite well thank you.
Your Biden narrative and explosion does not really jive with what Ive seen down here what I have read and what people have been saying, what does jive is the extremists who are aggressively seeking the opportunity to exaggerate and exploit and those people every election cycle ramp up the crazy and act kind of like you have. What I find an emergency is tuition loans and the inflation that college students have faced for three decades and the burden it places on those seeking opportunities to get good jobs, that also includes trade schools because those are not free either. We want an educated and functioning population but we will do nothing to stop the price ramping and the anchor it puts on people for decades after finishing school.
What you will maybe never end up realizing because you are a partisan zealot and are bent on forwarding your political agendas is that the border could be completely open and free, people could come and go...the border could be a lock down max prison wall with ZERO border concerns and guess what, nothing changes in your life and nothing improves in society. The law of averages and history prove that your contention and ranting is baloney because all groups of people have a segment who are lousy a segment who will seek to sell and manufacture drugs a segment who kill innocent people a segment who have no value for anyone but themselves, this is human nature. You are so fixated on the outliers and the lunacy of your own party that you completely lose a grip on the concept of human nature and unless you want to have a 100% overhaul of our freedoms and rights and get extremely restrictive say like Japan then NOTHING WILL CHANGE with a stupid wall or a closed border.
Dealing with it cannot come from taxing other countries,
That is not exactly what is going on completely.
Even so, it would certainly deal with part of it.
If you say it will not deal with it. What exactly would you do to deal with it?
Do you want to shore up the border?
The border seems much better now. The Democrats kept saying the illegals could not be stopped without all sorts of legislation. Quite obviously they were wrong. So, now imagine them handling the stuff Trump is trying to fix now. They would want more and more legislation and committees to study it. They never fix anything.
It would be like saying the ER is being used so the resident doctor can build a man cave because it is an emergency.
No, it is not like that at all. This is a very poor analogy. Totally different issues and not comparable.
Funny how you minimize deficits and spending and inflation to ONE source but forward it with another, very funny. Student loan debt is consumer deficit spending, much of the federal debt and deficits are not core high importance needs
Not funny at all. Because I am not comparing them. One is a personal choice and one is NOT a personal choice, but a choice made FOR you by Congress. Why should the government make itself worse by fixing YOUR bad personal choices and NOT rewarding other’s good choices. That is a very, very poor comparison.
The mindset may be the same in the USA, in that folks tend to live in debt and, as a group, the country tends to run the government in debt. But taking on more debt will not fix that problem. I have never minimized a person’s bad choices about taking on debt, I have long railed against that. I am more against that than I am against the government doing it. Both need fixing but are two very, very different issues and not very comparable.
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@wallstreetcappers
Dealing with it cannot come from taxing other countries,
That is not exactly what is going on completely.
Even so, it would certainly deal with part of it.
If you say it will not deal with it. What exactly would you do to deal with it?
Do you want to shore up the border?
The border seems much better now. The Democrats kept saying the illegals could not be stopped without all sorts of legislation. Quite obviously they were wrong. So, now imagine them handling the stuff Trump is trying to fix now. They would want more and more legislation and committees to study it. They never fix anything.
It would be like saying the ER is being used so the resident doctor can build a man cave because it is an emergency.
No, it is not like that at all. This is a very poor analogy. Totally different issues and not comparable.
Funny how you minimize deficits and spending and inflation to ONE source but forward it with another, very funny. Student loan debt is consumer deficit spending, much of the federal debt and deficits are not core high importance needs
Not funny at all. Because I am not comparing them. One is a personal choice and one is NOT a personal choice, but a choice made FOR you by Congress. Why should the government make itself worse by fixing YOUR bad personal choices and NOT rewarding other’s good choices. That is a very, very poor comparison.
The mindset may be the same in the USA, in that folks tend to live in debt and, as a group, the country tends to run the government in debt. But taking on more debt will not fix that problem. I have never minimized a person’s bad choices about taking on debt, I have long railed against that. I am more against that than I am against the government doing it. Both need fixing but are two very, very different issues and not very comparable.
I don't expect any wall to stop those hellbent on getting in. It's more symbolic than effective. And there are all kinds of ways to get in.
I am not for a wall because as I have always said, if you take the incentive away it late felt takes care of itself. As we have seen at least twice now.
But I disagree that a wall is only symbolic. They are actually very effective. You can look at various ways examples around the world and just in cities. It makes it very difficult to get by through, etc.
But it is not necessary in the USA’s case. But it would be effective.
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@UNIMAN
I don't expect any wall to stop those hellbent on getting in. It's more symbolic than effective. And there are all kinds of ways to get in.
I am not for a wall because as I have always said, if you take the incentive away it late felt takes care of itself. As we have seen at least twice now.
But I disagree that a wall is only symbolic. They are actually very effective. You can look at various ways examples around the world and just in cities. It makes it very difficult to get by through, etc.
But it is not necessary in the USA’s case. But it would be effective.
The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency. Sorry, but that is a spit your coffee out and laugh till it hurts statement. El Paso, 2023; El Paso will declare a "state of emergency" starting Monday in anticipation of a potential influx of thousands of migrants with the end of Title 42 pandemic law next week, Mayor Oscar Leeser said at a Sunday news conference. Sept 2022; New York Mayor Eric Adams declared a state of emergency on Friday over the “humanitarian crisis” of thousands of asylum-seekers who are being sent to his city from out of state. Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an emergency declaration on Tuesday in response to the significant number of people arriving in Chicago who are seeking asylum in the U.S. since last year, what her office called a "national humanitarian crisis." An unprecedented surge of 4,000 migrants streamed across the US border with Mexico into Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday — forcing the overwhelmed city to declare a state of emergency. Tell us all, when has cities declaring emergencies over migrants EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BIDEN??
It was an absolute disaster.......probably the most egregious act by any potus in........well maybe ever.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
The border has been open and has been an issue for decades it is not an emergency. Sorry, but that is a spit your coffee out and laugh till it hurts statement. El Paso, 2023; El Paso will declare a "state of emergency" starting Monday in anticipation of a potential influx of thousands of migrants with the end of Title 42 pandemic law next week, Mayor Oscar Leeser said at a Sunday news conference. Sept 2022; New York Mayor Eric Adams declared a state of emergency on Friday over the “humanitarian crisis” of thousands of asylum-seekers who are being sent to his city from out of state. Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an emergency declaration on Tuesday in response to the significant number of people arriving in Chicago who are seeking asylum in the U.S. since last year, what her office called a "national humanitarian crisis." An unprecedented surge of 4,000 migrants streamed across the US border with Mexico into Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday — forcing the overwhelmed city to declare a state of emergency. Tell us all, when has cities declaring emergencies over migrants EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BIDEN??
It was an absolute disaster.......probably the most egregious act by any potus in........well maybe ever.
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