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    Truthers, where are the passengers of Flight 77 and 93?

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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 12:50 AM ET #101

    Yeah, alot folks don't like it when just average, normal intelligent folks look at something with basic common sense, understanding & logic & call it as they see it in a simple, straightforward way. They gotta be labeled conspiracy crazies/kooks or whatever & get themselves caught up in competing & conflicting theories, etc. Granted, in the last half century or so there has been alot of crazy conspiracy ideas & I'm generally extremely skeptical especially if there's little in the way of facts/reality to back it up which is many times the case. But you don't have to know or theorize about all the details & coverups here - it's just plain to see that there's something very wrong & complicity at the least looks very likely.
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    Yeah, alot folks don't like it when just average, normal intelligent folks look at something with basic common sense, understanding & logic & call it as they see it in a simple, straightforward way. They gotta be labeled conspiracy crazies/kooks or whatever & get themselves caught up in competing & conflicting theories, etc. Granted, in the last half century or so there has been alot of crazy conspiracy ideas & I'm generally extremely skeptical especially if there's little in the way of facts/reality to back it up which is many times the case. But you don't have to know or theorize about all the details & coverups here - it's just plain to see that there's something very wrong & complicity at the least looks very likely.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 12:58 AM ET #102

    i give up, i guess bush et al using and being used around the issue isnt enough.  
    i feel like im talking to the guy scientifically proving the existence of noahs ark literally and well beyond even its potential allegorical significance.
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    i give up, i guess bush et al using and being used around the issue isnt enough.  
    i feel like im talking to the guy scientifically proving the existence of noahs ark literally and well beyond even its potential allegorical significance.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 1:07 AM ET #103

    Good 1 doc 

    No doubt Bush would have been a low level, pres performance guy (tho not neccessarily a total puppet) in a deal like this, but very hard not to believe knowledge was not known beforehand & everything possible was done to allow it to happen (at the Pentagon at least) with coverups planned before & afterwards. Though I'd love to be dead wrong 

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    Good 1 doc 

    No doubt Bush would have been a low level, pres performance guy (tho not neccessarily a total puppet) in a deal like this, but very hard not to believe knowledge was not known beforehand & everything possible was done to allow it to happen (at the Pentagon at least) with coverups planned before & afterwards. Though I'd love to be dead wrong 

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 4:42 AM ET #104

    cd329 reminds me of people in the gambling forums that lose on a hail mary, or three-pointer in the last second of a game, and afterwards cry the whole event was rigged..

    "I watched that last play, even slowed it down with my DVR, and the defensive-back purposely orchestrated the deflection of the football to bounce off his shoulder pads into the arms of the wide receiver! The entire game was rigged!"

    When people believe these things, there is no point in arguing with them.


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    cd329 reminds me of people in the gambling forums that lose on a hail mary, or three-pointer in the last second of a game, and afterwards cry the whole event was rigged..

    "I watched that last play, even slowed it down with my DVR, and the defensive-back purposely orchestrated the deflection of the football to bounce off his shoulder pads into the arms of the wide receiver! The entire game was rigged!"

    When people believe these things, there is no point in arguing with them.


     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 5:48 AM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant:

    cd329 reminds me of people in the gambling forums that lose on a hail mary, or three-pointer in the last second of a game, and afterwards cry the whole event was rigged..

    "I watched that last play, even slowed it down with my DVR, and the defensive-back purposely orchestrated the deflection of the football to bounce off his shoulder pads into the arms of the wide receiver! The entire game was rigged!"

    When people believe these things, there is no point in arguing with them.


    That's right. 

     

    So what if a big plane can't fit in a small hole.

    So what if the engines and wings disappeared like they were made of paper mache.

    So what if it is physically impossible for a plane to fly that low for that distance.....Let alone by a guy that could barely fly a 2 seater.

    So what if they refuse to show footage of a plane crashing into the Pentagon.....They must have their reasons........Right?

    We should all believe the story that was given to us. Why on earth would they lie? 

    Now let's all go outside and wave the flag for a couple of hours chanting..... 

     

    USA - USA - USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant:

    cd329 reminds me of people in the gambling forums that lose on a hail mary, or three-pointer in the last second of a game, and afterwards cry the whole event was rigged..

    "I watched that last play, even slowed it down with my DVR, and the defensive-back purposely orchestrated the deflection of the football to bounce off his shoulder pads into the arms of the wide receiver! The entire game was rigged!"

    When people believe these things, there is no point in arguing with them.


    That's right. 

     

    So what if a big plane can't fit in a small hole.

    So what if the engines and wings disappeared like they were made of paper mache.

    So what if it is physically impossible for a plane to fly that low for that distance.....Let alone by a guy that could barely fly a 2 seater.

    So what if they refuse to show footage of a plane crashing into the Pentagon.....They must have their reasons........Right?

    We should all believe the story that was given to us. Why on earth would they lie? 

    Now let's all go outside and wave the flag for a couple of hours chanting..... 

     

    USA - USA - USA.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 9:34 AM ET #106

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

     

    yes its okay, because that is my opinion.  I wish i had the proof so all these traitors could be hung



    And I wish that our laws were actually enforced and traitors who call government officials murderers with no evidence were charged with treason and hung when found guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

     

    yes its okay, because that is my opinion.  I wish i had the proof so all these traitors could be hung



    And I wish that our laws were actually enforced and traitors who call government officials murderers with no evidence were charged with treason and hung when found guilty.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 9:36 AM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by SurfApe:

    You obviously completely missed the point of my post.  I was laughing at crow's assertion that the passengers who stormed the cockpit intentionally crashed the plane.  Also, sorry if you don't like the word brawl- call it a melee, ruckus or donnybrook if you like.



    Nice that you can laugh at such an event.  Excuse me but I cannot.  Please do not talk to me anymore, you are an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfApe:

    You obviously completely missed the point of my post.  I was laughing at crow's assertion that the passengers who stormed the cockpit intentionally crashed the plane.  Also, sorry if you don't like the word brawl- call it a melee, ruckus or donnybrook if you like.



    Nice that you can laugh at such an event.  Excuse me but I cannot.  Please do not talk to me anymore, you are an idiot.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 9:40 AM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by cashin:

    Some interesting links. Found it interesting that despite eyewitness sightings & photos of these planes ([particularly the 1 in restricted airspace over Wash DC seen between 9:30 - 10 am) & letters sent to the USAF & FAA about it, their existence was never acknowledged. Said they knew nothing about it. How could that be?

    www.rense.com/general64/white.htm

    www.rense.com/general76/missing.htm

    www.rense.com/general18/atcd.htm

    If just standard operating procedure was followed, whatever hit the Pentagon would have been intercepted or shot down. Just makes no sense & Mineta's testimony pretty much makes it clear that Cheney must have given a stand down order based on what he heard him say & what happened afterward. Why would most of his testimony in regards to it be left out of the commission report & why would the arrival time of Cheney to the WH bunker be after the Pentagon strike when Mineta clearly said he was there before? Hard to understand if everything was kosher & lots of serious & valid questions still up in the air -



    You don't know what you are talking about, you are just making up shit.  There is no standard operating procedure for a hijacked airliner being flown into the pentagon.  There is no standard operating procedure for shooting down airliners holding hundreds of passengers.  A decision like this could not be made by the officers on the ground, it would have to be cleared with the white house.  And there would be a lot of confusion as to where the plane was actually headed until the last few moments. 

    I don't know what happened on that day, but your assertions that fighters would automatically be in the air seeking to shoot down airliners with hundreds of passengers on board is absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin:

    Some interesting links. Found it interesting that despite eyewitness sightings & photos of these planes ([particularly the 1 in restricted airspace over Wash DC seen between 9:30 - 10 am) & letters sent to the USAF & FAA about it, their existence was never acknowledged. Said they knew nothing about it. How could that be?

    www.rense.com/general64/white.htm

    www.rense.com/general76/missing.htm

    www.rense.com/general18/atcd.htm

    If just standard operating procedure was followed, whatever hit the Pentagon would have been intercepted or shot down. Just makes no sense & Mineta's testimony pretty much makes it clear that Cheney must have given a stand down order based on what he heard him say & what happened afterward. Why would most of his testimony in regards to it be left out of the commission report & why would the arrival time of Cheney to the WH bunker be after the Pentagon strike when Mineta clearly said he was there before? Hard to understand if everything was kosher & lots of serious & valid questions still up in the air -



    You don't know what you are talking about, you are just making up shit.  There is no standard operating procedure for a hijacked airliner being flown into the pentagon.  There is no standard operating procedure for shooting down airliners holding hundreds of passengers.  A decision like this could not be made by the officers on the ground, it would have to be cleared with the white house.  And there would be a lot of confusion as to where the plane was actually headed until the last few moments. 

    I don't know what happened on that day, but your assertions that fighters would automatically be in the air seeking to shoot down airliners with hundreds of passengers on board is absurd.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 11:02 AM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I can understand how some people theorize that Flight 93 was shot down. I don't think the facts bear that out, particulalry the phone calls made (which could only have been made by the flight traveling under roughly 10,000 feet, which supports the official version of events).

    But I don't understand the Pentagon missle theory unless you believe that the entire 9/11 event was one big conspiracy. Was the idea that fabricating a plane flying into the Pentagon the thing that would really push us into war?

    Outside of that, let's think about this..

    1) OBL admitted orchestrating it.

    2) We know who the hijackers were. Pilots and flight attendants contacted authorities after hijacking. Are truthers suggesting that they were plants of the US government to act as the fall guys?

    3) Why war in Afghan? If it was a vast conspiracy under the Operation Northwoods auspice, why not a country like Iraq. War in Afghan didn't provide us any strategic assistance in terms of location, oil, etc.

    4) I understand the argument that our government has lied. But this isn't akin to JFK conspiracy which could've been carried out by a very select few. Rather, think of the hundreds, maybe thousands of people that would have been involved. Yet, outside of wild theories, there are no verifiable facts to support, and what is the motivation? (Yes, I realize that Operation Northwoods was about a reason to attack Cuba, but that was based on strategic means because of Cuba's proximity...again, Afghan is not comparable).

    official version? check out FIREMEN FOR 911 TRUTH compare their version to the "OFFICIAL' version, hundreds of firemen are swearing that those towers were EXPLODING while they were in them and the govt. says they are all lying.

    would a plane attack push us into a war? perhaps not, however it will and did generate the support needed to go to war.

    OBL admitted it,...why wouldnt he? why wouldnt he take credit for the worst attack on america since pearl harbor?

    pilots and attendants knew who the hi-jackers were? how? they dont carry a passenger list in their pockets.

    why afghanistan and not iraq? uhh, we did go to war with iraq, thats why the commanders on the ground afghanistan kept stepping down, because in their own words, they were not willing to risk the lives of our troops for no other reason than "OIL"!


    you say you you "understand that our govt. lied"
    well a cover-up is defined as omitting,distorting, or LIEING about the facts.
    so you would be more likely to think that all the police, firemen, rescue workers, and civilians that were in those buildings that claim there were explosions are lieing, and the 9-11 commission that says there were NO EXPLOSIONS is telling the truth?

    what possible reason can you give me for these beliefs?

    like i said, check out "firemen for 9-11 truth", and you'll see the director of emergency services for the WTC tell his version of what happened in building 7 (the one that wasnt touched) how there was an EXPLOSION as he and another worker reached the 6th floor escaping the building, and how when fire fighters finally found them and led them out, kept telling them not to look down, because they were stepping on the bodies of the people that had been killed in the explosion, and how he was told that if he told that story again he would lose his job, and how he eventually did tell his story again and 2 weeks before it was released he died of unknown causes. check it out for yourselves
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I can understand how some people theorize that Flight 93 was shot down. I don't think the facts bear that out, particulalry the phone calls made (which could only have been made by the flight traveling under roughly 10,000 feet, which supports the official version of events).

    But I don't understand the Pentagon missle theory unless you believe that the entire 9/11 event was one big conspiracy. Was the idea that fabricating a plane flying into the Pentagon the thing that would really push us into war?

    Outside of that, let's think about this..

    1) OBL admitted orchestrating it.

    2) We know who the hijackers were. Pilots and flight attendants contacted authorities after hijacking. Are truthers suggesting that they were plants of the US government to act as the fall guys?

    3) Why war in Afghan? If it was a vast conspiracy under the Operation Northwoods auspice, why not a country like Iraq. War in Afghan didn't provide us any strategic assistance in terms of location, oil, etc.

    4) I understand the argument that our government has lied. But this isn't akin to JFK conspiracy which could've been carried out by a very select few. Rather, think of the hundreds, maybe thousands of people that would have been involved. Yet, outside of wild theories, there are no verifiable facts to support, and what is the motivation? (Yes, I realize that Operation Northwoods was about a reason to attack Cuba, but that was based on strategic means because of Cuba's proximity...again, Afghan is not comparable).

    official version? check out FIREMEN FOR 911 TRUTH compare their version to the "OFFICIAL' version, hundreds of firemen are swearing that those towers were EXPLODING while they were in them and the govt. says they are all lying.

    would a plane attack push us into a war? perhaps not, however it will and did generate the support needed to go to war.

    OBL admitted it,...why wouldnt he? why wouldnt he take credit for the worst attack on america since pearl harbor?

    pilots and attendants knew who the hi-jackers were? how? they dont carry a passenger list in their pockets.

    why afghanistan and not iraq? uhh, we did go to war with iraq, thats why the commanders on the ground afghanistan kept stepping down, because in their own words, they were not willing to risk the lives of our troops for no other reason than "OIL"!


    you say you you "understand that our govt. lied"
    well a cover-up is defined as omitting,distorting, or LIEING about the facts.
    so you would be more likely to think that all the police, firemen, rescue workers, and civilians that were in those buildings that claim there were explosions are lieing, and the 9-11 commission that says there were NO EXPLOSIONS is telling the truth?

    what possible reason can you give me for these beliefs?

    like i said, check out "firemen for 9-11 truth", and you'll see the director of emergency services for the WTC tell his version of what happened in building 7 (the one that wasnt touched) how there was an EXPLOSION as he and another worker reached the 6th floor escaping the building, and how when fire fighters finally found them and led them out, kept telling them not to look down, because they were stepping on the bodies of the people that had been killed in the explosion, and how he was told that if he told that story again he would lose his job, and how he eventually did tell his story again and 2 weeks before it was released he died of unknown causes. check it out for yourselves
     
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    i just checked with the my head is so far up my ass and im an idiot hotline website.  the tooth fairy has been spotted over topeka...more to come on this hot button issue.


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    You don't know what you are talking about, you are just making up shit.  There is no standard operating procedure for a hijacked airliner being flown into the pentagon.  There is no standard operating procedure for shooting down airliners holding hundreds of passengers.  A decision like this could not be made by the officers on the ground, it would have to be cleared with the white house.  And there would be a lot of confusion as to where the plane was actually headed until the last few moments. 

    I don't know what happened on that day, but your assertions that fighters would automatically be in the air seeking to shoot down airliners with hundreds of passengers on board is absurd.

     

    That is not what I said but if you're interested, you can look into it & read/learn about it & form your own opinion/s. Not trying to convince anyone of anything & for a long time though some things seemed highly questionable, I didn't believe (& didn't want to) all the conspiracy stuff because I just couldn't believe something that monstrous & of that magnitude could be possible in our own country from our govt., regardless of what I thought & knew about Bush & Cheney.

    But after looking at & reading about all of it, there's just far too many things that make no sense & that when taken in combination only point to 1 of 2 things - that either they knew of the attacks beforehand & did everything they could to not only not prevent it, but aid it in a way that would ensure it was successful or worse, orchestrated it themselves. Would rather not believe the latter, but there's alot of very credible folks that know alot more about it than I, that do. If you're interested, here's a site that is a fairly comprehensive overview of all the questions/concerns that have been raised by many for a long time.

    www.911proof.com/6.html

     

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    You don't know what you are talking about, you are just making up shit.  There is no standard operating procedure for a hijacked airliner being flown into the pentagon.  There is no standard operating procedure for shooting down airliners holding hundreds of passengers.  A decision like this could not be made by the officers on the ground, it would have to be cleared with the white house.  And there would be a lot of confusion as to where the plane was actually headed until the last few moments. 

    I don't know what happened on that day, but your assertions that fighters would automatically be in the air seeking to shoot down airliners with hundreds of passengers on board is absurd.

     

    That is not what I said but if you're interested, you can look into it & read/learn about it & form your own opinion/s. Not trying to convince anyone of anything & for a long time though some things seemed highly questionable, I didn't believe (& didn't want to) all the conspiracy stuff because I just couldn't believe something that monstrous & of that magnitude could be possible in our own country from our govt., regardless of what I thought & knew about Bush & Cheney.

    But after looking at & reading about all of it, there's just far too many things that make no sense & that when taken in combination only point to 1 of 2 things - that either they knew of the attacks beforehand & did everything they could to not only not prevent it, but aid it in a way that would ensure it was successful or worse, orchestrated it themselves. Would rather not believe the latter, but there's alot of very credible folks that know alot more about it than I, that do. If you're interested, here's a site that is a fairly comprehensive overview of all the questions/concerns that have been raised by many for a long time.

    www.911proof.com/6.html

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by drJ:

    i just checked with the my head is so far up my ass and im an idiot hotline website.  the tooth fairy has been spotted over topeka...more to come on this hot button issue.


    doc - have you got any real reasons for believing the conspiracy theories are all BS or somehow not possible? Since it was such a huge & tragic thing in this country, maybe you'd like to share some real thoughts about it instead of just makin jokes, humorous as they may be, lol.

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    i just checked with the my head is so far up my ass and im an idiot hotline website.  the tooth fairy has been spotted over topeka...more to come on this hot button issue.


    doc - have you got any real reasons for believing the conspiracy theories are all BS or somehow not possible? Since it was such a huge & tragic thing in this country, maybe you'd like to share some real thoughts about it instead of just makin jokes, humorous as they may be, lol.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    the guy who flew the plane into the pentagon sucked at flying planes yet he was able to pull off something expert military guys have said they couldnt do. why didnt the terrorist just fly the plane straight down into the middle of the building where more damage could be done and also where the real important offices are located? I know, because he was fighting with the passengers and couldnt do it, yet he was able to pull off a million to one crash into the wall of the pentagon.

    common sense folks, thats all you need to sniff out all the bullshit.

    I focus on the lamp posts because without that nothing makes sense. Either a plane knocked them down or they had explosive charges that knocked them down.

    At 500+ mph how can anyone be sure where the plane is ultimately heading? Several planes probably fly close to that airspace without alarm.

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    the guy who flew the plane into the pentagon sucked at flying planes yet he was able to pull off something expert military guys have said they couldnt do. why didnt the terrorist just fly the plane straight down into the middle of the building where more damage could be done and also where the real important offices are located? I know, because he was fighting with the passengers and couldnt do it, yet he was able to pull off a million to one crash into the wall of the pentagon.

    common sense folks, thats all you need to sniff out all the bullshit.

    I focus on the lamp posts because without that nothing makes sense. Either a plane knocked them down or they had explosive charges that knocked them down.

    At 500+ mph how can anyone be sure where the plane is ultimately heading? Several planes probably fly close to that airspace without alarm.

     
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    arabs/islamists  that hate the west like to kill us.
    they did and in a big way.  the official version is true.  there are more attacks tocome, it is inevitable.  terrorism is the enemy of free market societies.
    bush and his cronies used the war to do very questionable things and the military complex(industrial) used the politicians.  
    I THINK YOU ALL ARE NO BETTER THAN THE BIRTHERS when it comes to buying in to this load of conspiratorial garbage.

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    they did and in a big way.  the official version is true.  there are more attacks tocome, it is inevitable.  terrorism is the enemy of free market societies.
    bush and his cronies used the war to do very questionable things and the military complex(industrial) used the politicians.  
    I THINK YOU ALL ARE NO BETTER THAN THE BIRTHERS when it comes to buying in to this load of conspiratorial garbage.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by drJ:

    arabs/islamists  that hate the west like to kill us.
    they did and in a big way.  the official version is true.  there are more attacks tocome, it is inevitable.  terrorism is the enemy of free market societies.
    bush and his cronies used the war to do very questionable things and the military complex(industrial) used the politicians.  
    I THINK YOU ALL ARE NO BETTER THAN THE BIRTHERS when it comes to buying in to this load of conspiratorial garbage.



    "bush and his cronies used the war to do very questionable things"

    What questionable things, specifically?
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    arabs/islamists  that hate the west like to kill us.
    they did and in a big way.  the official version is true.  there are more attacks tocome, it is inevitable.  terrorism is the enemy of free market societies.
    bush and his cronies used the war to do very questionable things and the military complex(industrial) used the politicians.  
    I THINK YOU ALL ARE NO BETTER THAN THE BIRTHERS when it comes to buying in to this load of conspiratorial garbage.



    "bush and his cronies used the war to do very questionable things"

    What questionable things, specifically?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant:

    cd329 reminds me of people in the gambling forums that lose on a hail mary, or three-pointer in the last second of a game, and afterwards cry the whole event was rigged..

    "I watched that last play, even slowed it down with my DVR, and the defensive-back purposely orchestrated the deflection of the football to bounce off his shoulder pads into the arms of the wide receiver! The entire game was rigged!"

    When people believe these things, there is no point in arguing with them.


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    cd329 reminds me of people in the gambling forums that lose on a hail mary, or three-pointer in the last second of a game, and afterwards cry the whole event was rigged..

    "I watched that last play, even slowed it down with my DVR, and the defensive-back purposely orchestrated the deflection of the football to bounce off his shoulder pads into the arms of the wide receiver! The entire game was rigged!"

    When people believe these things, there is no point in arguing with them.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

    That's right. 

     

    So what if a big plane can't fit in a small hole.

    So what if the engines and wings disappeared like they were made of paper mache.

    So what if it is physically impossible for a plane to fly that low for that distance.....Let alone by a guy that could barely fly a 2 seater.

    So what if they refuse to show footage of a plane crashing into the Pentagon.....They must have their reasons........Right?

    We should all believe the story that was given to us. Why on earth would they lie? 

    Now let's all go outside and wave the flag for a couple of hours chanting..... 

     

    USA - USA - USA.

    So what happened to the plane?

    Why would Bush hijack 2 planes to fly into WTC, but not fly into the pentagon?

    What knocked over the lightpoles?

    How many witnesses reported a missile?
    How many witnesses reported a plane?

    How long was the plane flying " that low"
    What was the planes flight path for the last 2 miles

    I predict <crickets>

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    That's right. 

     

    So what if a big plane can't fit in a small hole.

    So what if the engines and wings disappeared like they were made of paper mache.

    So what if it is physically impossible for a plane to fly that low for that distance.....Let alone by a guy that could barely fly a 2 seater.

    So what if they refuse to show footage of a plane crashing into the Pentagon.....They must have their reasons........Right?

    We should all believe the story that was given to us. Why on earth would they lie? 

    Now let's all go outside and wave the flag for a couple of hours chanting..... 

     

    USA - USA - USA.

    So what happened to the plane?

    Why would Bush hijack 2 planes to fly into WTC, but not fly into the pentagon?

    What knocked over the lightpoles?

    How many witnesses reported a missile?
    How many witnesses reported a plane?

    How long was the plane flying " that low"
    What was the planes flight path for the last 2 miles

    I predict <crickets>

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

     

    sorry Surf your quote about our govt not having the defense systems to stop an attack on a building like the pentagon is so wrong, its actually laughable. There are tons of govt buildings all around the country that have very protected airspace and if a plane is heading even towards that airspace, they will be met by fighter jets in a matter of minutes.  To think our countries most important places have no defense systems in place to protect them from any type of attacks is just plain nuts.
    Restricted airspace is certainly all around the DC area, but do you have any idea how close the pentagon is to Natl Airport ( now reagan airport )
    Planes flight paths are right along the Potomac, which is just a stones throw from the Pentagon

    Also not believing what the country tells me to believe does not dishonor the lives of the people who were lost on that day, so i dont know how you can make that statement.

    Sorry that i believe are govt has corrupt officials and would do anything for the root of all evil, that being money, but that's what i believe. So if they went to the trouble of using planes into WTC, why not crash one into the pentagon...
    Aren't they taking a risk that someone would be filming the pentagon on a sightseeing tour, and get a picture of the missile?

    And no i dont know how they pulled it off, but they did.

    Oh and one other thing, flight 93 was no doubt shot down, when it turned and started heading for Washington again. Experts on plane crashes have said and you can find them on the net, that the crash site did not look like a normal plane crash site, but hey if the govt tells me to just believe what they say, i guess i have to in order to be a good American.

    I agree with you, I think it was shot down, that being said, a plane going STRAIGHT INTO THE GROUND at a perpendicular angle, will not leave the debris field of a plane that is attempting an emergency landing

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    sorry Surf your quote about our govt not having the defense systems to stop an attack on a building like the pentagon is so wrong, its actually laughable. There are tons of govt buildings all around the country that have very protected airspace and if a plane is heading even towards that airspace, they will be met by fighter jets in a matter of minutes.  To think our countries most important places have no defense systems in place to protect them from any type of attacks is just plain nuts.
    Restricted airspace is certainly all around the DC area, but do you have any idea how close the pentagon is to Natl Airport ( now reagan airport )
    Planes flight paths are right along the Potomac, which is just a stones throw from the Pentagon

    Also not believing what the country tells me to believe does not dishonor the lives of the people who were lost on that day, so i dont know how you can make that statement.

    Sorry that i believe are govt has corrupt officials and would do anything for the root of all evil, that being money, but that's what i believe. So if they went to the trouble of using planes into WTC, why not crash one into the pentagon...
    Aren't they taking a risk that someone would be filming the pentagon on a sightseeing tour, and get a picture of the missile?

    And no i dont know how they pulled it off, but they did.

    Oh and one other thing, flight 93 was no doubt shot down, when it turned and started heading for Washington again. Experts on plane crashes have said and you can find them on the net, that the crash site did not look like a normal plane crash site, but hey if the govt tells me to just believe what they say, i guess i have to in order to be a good American.

    I agree with you, I think it was shot down, that being said, a plane going STRAIGHT INTO THE GROUND at a perpendicular angle, will not leave the debris field of a plane that is attempting an emergency landing

     
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    You don't know what you are talking about, you are just making up shit.  There is no standard operating procedure for a hijacked airliner being flown into the pentagon.  There is no standard operating procedure for shooting down airliners holding hundreds of passengers.  A decision like this could not be made by the officers on the ground, it would have to be cleared with the white house.  And there would be a lot of confusion as to where the plane was actually headed until the last few moments. 

    I don't know what happened on that day, but your assertions that fighters would automatically be in the air seeking to shoot down airliners with hundreds of passengers on board is absurd.

    Very credible & serious warnings of a 911 type attack (using aircraft targeting large American/govt institutions) began being received in June of '01. In fact, Cheney ran his own "war games" as an excercise which simulated terrorist hijackings & they were being carried out on the morning of 911. Given that, 1 would have to assume that all air defenses would be on the highest alert & if so, how could these planes have not been at the least intercepted or shot down - especially at the Pentagon?? There's nothing about  the official version that makes any sense. Check out these links, gain some knowledge/understanding that you don't seem to have now (unless your just fkn around with your head intentionally in the sand, lol) & then we can discuss it if you want - goes for doc & 5f5 as well.

    www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

    www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATUS911/undefended.htm

    www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_warnings.html

     

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    You don't know what you are talking about, you are just making up shit.  There is no standard operating procedure for a hijacked airliner being flown into the pentagon.  There is no standard operating procedure for shooting down airliners holding hundreds of passengers.  A decision like this could not be made by the officers on the ground, it would have to be cleared with the white house.  And there would be a lot of confusion as to where the plane was actually headed until the last few moments. 

    I don't know what happened on that day, but your assertions that fighters would automatically be in the air seeking to shoot down airliners with hundreds of passengers on board is absurd.

    Very credible & serious warnings of a 911 type attack (using aircraft targeting large American/govt institutions) began being received in June of '01. In fact, Cheney ran his own "war games" as an excercise which simulated terrorist hijackings & they were being carried out on the morning of 911. Given that, 1 would have to assume that all air defenses would be on the highest alert & if so, how could these planes have not been at the least intercepted or shot down - especially at the Pentagon?? There's nothing about  the official version that makes any sense. Check out these links, gain some knowledge/understanding that you don't seem to have now (unless your just fkn around with your head intentionally in the sand, lol) & then we can discuss it if you want - goes for doc & 5f5 as well.

    www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

    www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATUS911/undefended.htm

    www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_warnings.html

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin:

    Very credible & serious warnings of a 911 type attack (using aircraft targeting large American/govt institutions) began being received in June of '01. In fact, Cheney ran his own "war games" as an excercise which simulated terrorist hijackings & they were being carried out on the morning of 911. Given that, 1 would have to assume that all air defenses would be on the highest alert & if so, how could these planes have not been at the least intercepted or shot down - especially at the Pentagon?? There's nothing about  the official version that makes any sense. Check out these links, gain some knowledge/understanding that you don't seem to have now (unless your just fkn around with your head intentionally in the sand, lol) & then we can discuss it if you want - goes for doc & 5f5 as well.

    www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

    www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATUS911/undefended.htm

    www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_warnings.html

     



    I work with senior military officers on a regular basis.  For the 9/11 attacks to have been some sort of plot orchestrated by Cheney giving orders to  the US military is just simply outrageous.

    I know many senior level Air Force officers and not one of them would have participated in such a scheme, they would have told the Vice President off and refused to do it.  And tried to bring military police into the picture to force an out of control politician to stand down.  The officers that I know, 100% of them, would have viewed taking such action their solemn duty in the face of some kind of insane plot orchestrated by a politician to blow up the World Trade Center and blow up the pentagon.

    So, unless Cheney has his own defense forces that would follow insane orders like you are suggesting blindly, your statements are just lies and you are just making up shit to get attention.

    And I am done talking to you.
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    Very credible & serious warnings of a 911 type attack (using aircraft targeting large American/govt institutions) began being received in June of '01. In fact, Cheney ran his own "war games" as an excercise which simulated terrorist hijackings & they were being carried out on the morning of 911. Given that, 1 would have to assume that all air defenses would be on the highest alert & if so, how could these planes have not been at the least intercepted or shot down - especially at the Pentagon?? There's nothing about  the official version that makes any sense. Check out these links, gain some knowledge/understanding that you don't seem to have now (unless your just fkn around with your head intentionally in the sand, lol) & then we can discuss it if you want - goes for doc & 5f5 as well.

    www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

    www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATUS911/undefended.htm

    www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_warnings.html

     



    I work with senior military officers on a regular basis.  For the 9/11 attacks to have been some sort of plot orchestrated by Cheney giving orders to  the US military is just simply outrageous.

    I know many senior level Air Force officers and not one of them would have participated in such a scheme, they would have told the Vice President off and refused to do it.  And tried to bring military police into the picture to force an out of control politician to stand down.  The officers that I know, 100% of them, would have viewed taking such action their solemn duty in the face of some kind of insane plot orchestrated by a politician to blow up the World Trade Center and blow up the pentagon.

    So, unless Cheney has his own defense forces that would follow insane orders like you are suggesting blindly, your statements are just lies and you are just making up shit to get attention.

    And I am done talking to you.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin:

    Very credible & serious warnings of a 911 type attack (using aircraft targeting large American/govt institutions) began being received in June of '01. In fact, Cheney ran his own "war games" as an excercise which simulated terrorist hijackings & they were being carried out on the morning of 911. Given that, 1 would have to assume that all air defenses would be on the highest alert & if so, how could these planes have not been at the least intercepted or shot down - especially at the Pentagon?? There's nothing about  the official version that makes any sense. Check out these links, gain some knowledge/understanding that you don't seem to have now (unless your just fkn around with your head intentionally in the sand, lol) & then we can discuss it if you want - goes for doc & 5f5 as well.

    www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

    www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATUS911/undefended.htm

    www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_warnings.html

     

    OK, so Cheney was behind it....
    Why did he shoot a missile into the pentagon isntead of a plane then?

    Also were Atta and the other 18 involved? If so, they started flowing into the US and taking flight lessons under Clinton, if Gore had won, was Chaney still going ahead with the plan ?

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    Very credible & serious warnings of a 911 type attack (using aircraft targeting large American/govt institutions) began being received in June of '01. In fact, Cheney ran his own "war games" as an excercise which simulated terrorist hijackings & they were being carried out on the morning of 911. Given that, 1 would have to assume that all air defenses would be on the highest alert & if so, how could these planes have not been at the least intercepted or shot down - especially at the Pentagon?? There's nothing about  the official version that makes any sense. Check out these links, gain some knowledge/understanding that you don't seem to have now (unless your just fkn around with your head intentionally in the sand, lol) & then we can discuss it if you want - goes for doc & 5f5 as well.

    www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

    www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATUS911/undefended.htm

    www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_warnings.html

     

    OK, so Cheney was behind it....
    Why did he shoot a missile into the pentagon isntead of a plane then?

    Also were Atta and the other 18 involved? If so, they started flowing into the US and taking flight lessons under Clinton, if Gore had won, was Chaney still going ahead with the plan ?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousone:



    I work with senior military officers on a regular basis.  For the 9/11 attacks to have been some sort of plot orchestrated by Cheney giving orders to  the US military is just simply outrageous.

    I know many senior level Air Force officers and not one of them would have participated in such a scheme, they would have told the Vice President off and refused to do it.  And tried to bring military police into the picture to force an out of control politician to stand down.  The officers that I know, 100% of them, would have viewed taking such action their solemn duty in the face of some kind of insane plot orchestrated by a politician to blow up the World Trade Center and blow up the pentagon.

    So, unless Cheney has his own defense forces that would follow insane orders like you are suggesting blindly, your statements are just lies and you are just making up shit to get attention.

    And I am done talking to you.

    You seem to have little understanding of how things work & what is possible 

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    I work with senior military officers on a regular basis.  For the 9/11 attacks to have been some sort of plot orchestrated by Cheney giving orders to  the US military is just simply outrageous.

    I know many senior level Air Force officers and not one of them would have participated in such a scheme, they would have told the Vice President off and refused to do it.  And tried to bring military police into the picture to force an out of control politician to stand down.  The officers that I know, 100% of them, would have viewed taking such action their solemn duty in the face of some kind of insane plot orchestrated by a politician to blow up the World Trade Center and blow up the pentagon.

    So, unless Cheney has his own defense forces that would follow insane orders like you are suggesting blindly, your statements are just lies and you are just making up shit to get attention.

    And I am done talking to you.

    You seem to have little understanding of how things work & what is possible 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5_for_Fighting:

    So what happened to the plane?

    Why would Bush hijack 2 planes to fly into WTC, but not fly into the pentagon?

    What knocked over the lightpoles?

    How many witnesses reported a missile?
    How many witnesses reported a plane?

    How long was the plane flying " that low"
    What was the planes flight path for the last 2 miles

    I predict

    Is that how you answer questions BOB ?......With lame-ass questions that don't make sense?  

    I already knew I'd get <crickets> to my questions.

     

    Just answer the one reasonably .....Why not show footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon or at least close to impact?  Just to put doubt to rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5_for_Fighting:

    So what happened to the plane?

    Why would Bush hijack 2 planes to fly into WTC, but not fly into the pentagon?

    What knocked over the lightpoles?

    How many witnesses reported a missile?
    How many witnesses reported a plane?

    How long was the plane flying " that low"
    What was the planes flight path for the last 2 miles

    I predict

    Is that how you answer questions BOB ?......With lame-ass questions that don't make sense?  

    I already knew I'd get <crickets> to my questions.

     

    Just answer the one reasonably .....Why not show footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon or at least close to impact?  Just to put doubt to rest.

     
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2011 - 6:18 PM ET #125

    Quote Originally Posted by 5_for_Fighting:

    So what happened to the plane?

    Why would Bush hijack 2 planes to fly into WTC, but not fly into the pentagon?

    What knocked over the lightpoles?

    How many witnesses reported a missile?
    How many witnesses reported a plane?

    How long was the plane flying " that low"
    What was the planes flight path for the last 2 miles

    I predict

    By the way BOB.....If they showed footage of an actual plane.....Those questions woudn't need to be asked or answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5_for_Fighting:

    So what happened to the plane?

    Why would Bush hijack 2 planes to fly into WTC, but not fly into the pentagon?

    What knocked over the lightpoles?

    How many witnesses reported a missile?
    How many witnesses reported a plane?

    How long was the plane flying " that low"
    What was the planes flight path for the last 2 miles

    I predict

    By the way BOB.....If they showed footage of an actual plane.....Those questions woudn't need to be asked or answered.

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