Truthers, where are the passengers of Flight 77 and 93?

 Call me crazy, but i'm pretty sure crashing the plane wasn't part of the plan.  I'm sure they would have liked to go home to their families after LANDING the plane, but as you said, they weren't pilots, and i doubt people who wanted to fly 93 into the WH had any intention of surrendering control quietly.  A brawl if a nasty, brutal thing anywhere.  In the cockpit of a plane with armed terrorists hell bent on martyrdom...

sorry Surf your qoute about our govt not having the defense systems to stop an attack on a building like the pentagon is so wrong, its actually laughable. There are tons of govt buildings all around the country that have very protected airspace and if a plane is heading even towards that airspace, they will be met by fighter jets in a matter of minutes.  To think our countries most important places have no defense systems in place to protect them from any type of attacks is just plain nuts.

Also not believing what the country tells me to believe does not dishonor the lives of the people who were lost on that day, so i dont know how you can make that statement.

Sorry that i believe are govt has corrupt officials and would do anything for the root of all evil, that being money, but thats what i believe.

And no i dont know how they pulled it off, but they did.

Oh and one other thing, flight 93 was no doubt shot down, when it turned and started heading for Washington again. Experts on plane crashes have said and you can find them on the net, that the crash site didnot look like a normal plane crash site, but hey if the govt tells me to just believe what they say, i guess i have to in order to be a good American.

the guy who flew the plane into the pentagon sucked at flying planes yet he was able to pull off something expert military guys have said they couldnt do. why didnt the terrorist just fly the plane straight down into the middle of the building where more damage could be done and also where the real important offices are located? I know, because he was fighting with the passengers and couldnt do it, yet he was able to pull off a million to one crash into the wall of the pentagon.

common sense folks, thats all you need to sniff out all the bullshit.

yes its okay, because that is my opinion.  I wish i had the proof so all these traitors could be hung

You obviously completely missed the point of my post.  I was laughing at crow's assertion that the passengers who stormed the cockpit intentionally crashed the plane.  Also, sorry if you don't like the word brawl- call it a melee, ruckus or donnybrook if you like.

Some interesting links. Found it interesting that despite eyewitness sightings & photos of these planes ([particularly the 1 in restricted airspace over Wash DC seen between 9:30 - 10 am) & letters sent to the USAF & FAA about it, their existence was never acknowledged. Said they knew nothing about it. How could that be?

www.rense.com/general64/white.htm

www.rense.com/general76/missing.htm

www.rense.com/general18/atcd.htm

If just standard operating procedure was followed, whatever hit the Pentagon would have been intercepted or shot down. Just makes no sense & Mineta's testimony pretty much makes it clear that Cheney must have given a stand down order based on what he heard him say & what happened afterward. Why would most of his testimony in regards to it be left out of the commission report & why would the arrival time of Cheney to the WH bunker be after the Pentagon strike when Mineta clearly said he was there before? Hard to understand if everything was kosher & lots of serious & valid questions still up in the air -

First of all...Missiles, most of the ones in our arsenal don't fly at a low enough trajectory to hit even the top of ONE light post.

The 'Maverick' missile that the film "Loose Change" speculates is smaller than the turbo fan found at the site.

I can't believe I have to explain this to you but I find it terribly difficult to believe that a missile would be programmed to zig zag into light posts that are probably 20+ feet apart just so it will appear to be a 757.

I can't wait to hear your explanation of how a missile can zig zag 5 times without detonating the warhead  let alone the zig zag part.

First off you are wrong on your point about our govt not being prepared for that type of attack. Forgot the towers for a minute,because thats a whole differnt ball game and i agree they couldnt be prepared for that type of attack, but to safe one of our most important buildings wasnt prepared for an attack is just plain crazy. These govt buildings that are guarded are prepared for any type of attack, thats what the people devoted to protecting those buildings train for. There is no way any plane should have hit the Pentagon on any day of the year, let alone what had already happened earlier that day with the towers. They had more then enough time to stop that so called plane from hitting the pentagon.

Next up you mention, why would our govt need to do the pentagon after the towers, because they i believe wanted multiple targets hit, so they would for sure have nobody questioning the need to go to war. Thats just my opinion.

Also was it just luck that the terrorist just happened to crash the plane into the part of the pentagon wall that was being worked on.

Also you never answered, why didnt the terrorist fly the plane into the middle of the pentagon?  why go after an outside wall? Lot easier to just fly the plane straight down into the center, then hitting a wall at almost ground level.

also why was it so important for the fbi to go get the videos from the store within minutes of the crash? my guess is they wanted to make sure nobody seen a video of a missile hitting the building.

Like i said a person would have to be crazy to believe that a building like the pentagon doesnt have the most advanced cameras in the world all around the building. All they got do is show a clear picture of that airliner flying towards the pentagon and then the whole missile theory is over with.

To me theres just to many common sense unanswered facts to this whole story.

lastly why on the day of the attacks was bush so gun ho about searching the world for the people who did the attacks? At 9:30 they didnt know more people were involved then just the people on the airplanes.

And like i said flight 93 was shot down.  all the calls the passengers made happened and am sure they did try to take the plane back, but i still believe that when that plane started going back towards Washington, it was shot down. If that plane would have crashed into any buildings with fighter jets following it, the govt could have never explained that one in a million years.

We just got differnt opinions on this one, its gonna happen. I respect your opinion, i just believe your wrong thou.

first off am no expert on missiles and am pretty sure you dont know every missile our govt has at their disposal, so stop trying to act like some missile expert.

You keep talking about the light posts, did you ever think that maybe all of them were rigged with explosives ?  They can pretty much do anything they want with explosives, but am sure you are an expert there.

lastly and i have said it 1 thousand times, why the fuck is there no clear pictures or videos of the plane heading for the pentagon? There is only one grainy ass video where you cant make out what the fuck is heading toward the building.

Listen you can believe anything you want, thats your choice, but dont sit here like some jackass expert about what happened on 9/11 like you have seen the facts first hand. You might very well be right, but guess what i might be right.

Its easy to just keep telling me am wrong, because the govt told you what to believe. There are a lot of very smart people, who disagree with the facts the govt have offered about 9/11.

Also if a plane did hit the pentagon, why the fuck did they let that happen and not have it shot down? Its not like they didnt have enough time to do it. Hell they could have had some eggs and toast and they still would have had enough time.  Yeah i know your gonna tell me they just werent prepared, even thou there are people whos only job is to protect the pentagon and other important buildings.

Just a lucky shot where the terrorist hit the wall. They just happened to be working on that areaAlso this terrorist thought it would be easier to fly the plane into the building almost level with the ground, instead of just doing a nose dive into the center of the building where a lot more damage could have been done. These terrorists did all this plotting for this day and they just didnt know to fly the plane into the center of the pentagon.

If questions like this dont make you think something doesnt seem right, then thats your choice. Way to many crazy unanswered questions for me.

Lamp posts rigged with explosive devices. That could be your only explanation that could make sense.

My explanation for them not shooting it down...complacency. Sometimes we think there is no way anybody would be dumb enough to try and hit the pentagon.

You guys have been talking about how dumb Bush is/was and you expect him to be able to carry out such a complex plan.

Even the field in PA DID look like a plane nose dived into the ground. Wing markes around the hole and everything.

Going back to the lamp posts man....just seems too far fetched to have anyone remember to set charges on 5 lamp posts.

In theory, if no lamp posts were damaged nobody would have speculated otherwise.

I agree cd but there's so much more more that can't be refuted. Total travesty that after the 911 commission farce was held that a real investigation & hearings haven't been undertaken. As far as I'm concerned, all those sob's oughta be in prison -

For anybody interested:

www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm

www.rense.com/general25/fb.htm

www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_facts.html

And to think of all the time & money spent getting Clinton impeached on sex stuff & perjury about that when nothing of any substance was done here. Pretty fkn incredible -

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your a joke, your basing your whole arguement basically on lamp posts being bent over. First off the people who did this am sure they pretty much had a lot of things figured out to to the smallest detail.

When did i ever say bush planned this whole thing?  He was just a puppet nothing more.

listen your excuse for them not shooting the plane down is a complete laughable joke. To sit here and say that after 2 towers were hit by planes, they were just going to sit around watching a plane fly into the pentagon. Come on man use your brain God gave you. Like i said before the people who are in charge of protecting these buildings arent your fly by night worker, these people are highly trained and know their jobs to a t.  In fact your comment is a direct insult to those very people.

and lastly i will ask it again, where the fuck is a clear picture of a plane flying towards the pentagon? Oh i know they had all the cameras off that day

why did the fbi rush within minutes of the pentagon getting hit, to get that video from the store, which they have never shown what was on it.

You laugh at my theroy, but guess what your theroies have a lot of holes in it.

He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively - 04.01 ...

whats crazy is bush was talking about launching a fullscale investigation into what happened, even before the towers came down.  why did he say this so early on. Just thought it was real strange for him to talk about that so early.

Its funny how people think were nuts because we use are brains and some common sense to see there is alot of holes in the govts story. I guess am just not a sheep and believe everything they tell me to believe.

Someday the real truth will be exposed, hopefully.

men and money can move moutains.

and like i keep saying which none of these guys have any answers for.  where is the clear pictures and videos of a plane flying towards the pentagon? none to be found.

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