Truthers, where are the passengers of Flight 77 and 93?

Not just Cheney though he seems to have played the largest part - would have been a co-ordinated effort. No idea on all the details, just almost everything about that morning & the commision report either makes little to no sense or has been suppressed &/or withheld which indicates to me there was complicity involved. Haven't thought about this stuff for awhile, but the killing of OBL brought it back & reading some posts here about credit to Bush that made me laugh to keep from throwin up. Couple more links -

www.911myths.com/index.php/War_Games.htm

www.911proof.com/9.html

 

Why do you assume they have video, other than what has been released?

link to that right wing wingnut reporting agency....
CNN

Sorry, correct link & 1 more -

www.911myths.com/index.php/War_Games

www.oilempire.us/911.html

 

Bush/Cheney admin = Deepest, darkest black mark in US history

Ill ax again...

Also were Atta and the other 18 involved? If so, they started flowing into the US and taking flight lessons under Clinton, if Gore had won, was Chaney still going ahead with the plan ?

Why on earth would you ASSUME they don't?   It's the Pentagon.....If that's your answer carry on with someone else.

Don't worry....I wasn't expecting a real answer. You just like to ramble on endlessly all the time.

You know what the opposite of "Truthers" is ?......"Gullible Sheep"

Dinner time

good debate

I'll be back by midnight to tear apart any other conspiracy theories

Bushco were simply Opportunists Extraordinaire, being the beneficiaries of an extremely evil deed committed by outsiders upon the U.S.,  along with willful deeds perpetrated by their own hands.

Bin Laden's attack simply fell into their laps.

The opportunity thus presented itself.

At that point they simply picked up the ball and ran with it....into both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Opportunity cashed.

1) Would think so

2) This assumes I know more than I do & that it was Cheney's plan back before Bush became prez. I doubt that, but the motivation was already there (for Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld) to be advantage of when the time & oppty presented itself.

"taken advantage of..."

 

Thinkin more about it, who knows how it might have all started & gone down. If they were capable of being complicit in something that evil & diabolical which seems highly probable if not obvious, who knows what else is possible? Maybe there was a long range, broad plan waiting to take shape & was a big reason why it was so important that Bush was elected. Maybe OBL was more of a willing scapegoat from afar rather than being directly involved. Sounds crazy but who knows for sure & how can anything be ruled out for certain? All that seems very clear to me is that there was complicity involved to a greater or lesser degree at the least -

lmfaooooooo yup sports games arent rigged  keep living in your own dream world thinking the world is on the up and up.

Guess all the stories of rigged games by players and refs is just bullshit. Someday the truth will come out about how most games in sports are rigged just like the wwf. Sports is all about entertainment and the people controlling those billions will do whatever it takes to keep those billions coming in, by making the fans happy. Maybe when you grow up you will come to understand how the world revolves around the cashhhhhhh

Gotta love the fools who believe that there is no sop's for planes heading towards protected govt buildings.  That is one of the funniest things i have ever read.

Of course there are sop's for that happening, thats why there is people whose only job it is to protect these type of buildings with whatever means necessary. after 2 planes hit the towers, you got to be retarded to believe that these people needed approval from the whitehouse before shooting a plane down heading staright for the pentagon.

Man some of you must live your lives in disneyland.

thank you for the sanity,  i just run in the wrong circles to have considered this a big issue outside of rosie odonnel.  ive had my fill of birthers and telling them to quit talking to me but it seems the truthers are just as prevalent.

I have to apologize to all the people who believe protected govt buildings like the pentagon dont have sop's for planes heading towards them. your right they dont.  You see they have sop's for the number one threat for a building like the pentagon and that is they trained for a cruise ship running into the pentagon walls. So if it would have been a carnival cruise ship the people guarding the building would have known exactly what they had to do, because that is what they trained for.

some of you need to go to the store and see if you can buy some common sense. My God if you cant figure out the top threat to a building like the pentagon would be, you might want to do some reading. The number one threat would be a plane flying into the building, thats just everyday common sense.

You can bet your ass they trained for probably every type of attack that could happen.

There is no doubt that a plane should have never had a chance to even get close to the walls of the pentagon without being shot down.

I know what really happened the military {think its norad} who watch all the protected airspace around the country, just thought the airliner made a wrong turn and wasnt really looking to crash into the pentagon. They thought they would just turn around, even thou 2 other airliners crashed into the towers. Yup your right that would have raised even more red flags then on a normal day

this thread is still going............

 

Or, even funnier....a missile zig zagging into 5 light posts before heading for the pentagon. Not to mention what would have to be a traitor missile fired by one of our brave military personell.

And coincidentally....Ramsi Yousef had the same idea that really happened on his laptop that was found BY ACCIDENTAL explosion in his Phillipines apartment. Just a coincedence? DUH

seriously why would America be in on the innocent deaths of its citizens



let this thread fizzle out, jeez

I knew your ass would try to change the subject. Stick to things you know, like selling over priced insurance to little old ladies

@ Bowl you sell insurance?

 

docJ:

I think we are simply seeing one of the insidious side effects of the 'Internet Age'.

Before eveyone was wired, if you had a crackpot idea that you wanted to disseminate, you could write a small 100 page book, and then search around for a desperate publishing outfit that would take a chance on selling a couple hundred or a thousand copies.

The resultant product would usually end up in the local library in a small dusty, little-visited corner inhabited by dubious characters that the librarian always kept a close eye on.

Or you could publish a small newsletter and hope to garner mailing addresses from word-of-mouth advertising, usually transmitted by those same dubious characters from the library.

Or you could get invited to 'splain yourself on a AM radio station broadcasting at 3AM in the morning, with your audience mainly consisting of bleary-eyed, long haul truckers cruising down the interstate.

Thus, crackpot bullshit would move through society at a relatively pedestrian pace.

Fast-forward to the Age of the Intrawebs and we see crackpot bullshit moving at the speed of light, infiltrating into and out of  'Basements of Mom's' around the planet.

You can compose any manner of unfounded wild speculation, add in a few photoshopped pics, hit the 'Send' button at 2:32 AM, and by 8:15 AM have 3 million adherents, reposting the same bullshit on their FacePage, tweating on their Tweater account, or watching a cartoon re-enactment of it on UTubes.

The ability of the internet to enhance the intellectual  capabilities of our society is still a highly debatable topic in my opinion.

But I really miss the hot librarians the most.

I know exactly how things work in the US Air Force as I spend much time with senior officers and have spent much time in command centers.

You are just a liar and when someone shows that you are lying you claim that they "just don't know the real stuff" blah blah blah.

How is talking about the 9/11 pentagon explosion changing the subject? We've been talking about that for the last 4 pages.

I think the fact that you have chosen to attack my line of work shows your complete and utter frustration over you NOT being able to make your case.

Everybody knows that insurance is a necessary evil. I am a broker and provide people with several options.

Shame on you CD for implying that old ladies aren't smart enough to know if they are saving money or not.

Not quite as "questionable" as you originally inferred.

1.  There were sound reasons why the patriot act was passed, at the time.   We thought that we were under serious attack by strong, determined enemies.  Turned out not to be the case, but no one who signed off on this bill had fortune teller powers.  So, now, after the fact you can complain about the patriot act.  Okay, repeal it.  The Democrats had a Democrat president and a Democrat Congress with an overwhelming majority and they did not repeal the patriot act, even though this would have been easy for them.  So, do you hate Obama and the Democrats also?

2.  "the massive ramp up of our military at tremendous expense in so many ways."   I agree, sort of.  We should not have stayed in Afghanistan after the end of December 2001.  And Bush was a fool, or an idiot, or a traitor for allowing the Taliban and al-Qaeda leadership escape at Tora Bora.   The Army Rangers should have been sent in to Tora Bora and the leadership  of the Taliban and al-Qaeda taken out and then we should have left Afghanistan with a stern warning given to the provincial governors "If you let the Taliban and al-Qaeda come back we will be back and we will make this little war look like a picnic put on by the camp fire girls".

We also should not have gone into Iraq.  We had allies inside Iraq who would have taken Saddam out as long as they were given a guarantee of safety by the US.  Yes, Saddam needed to be removed, but I think we could have done that with some means other than invasion. 

The DoD budget, less the spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,  was raised from $311 billion in 2000 to $494 billion in 2008. Today it stands at $549 billion, 2010 was $531 billion.   I am wondering if you are as incensed at Obama for spending $549 billion on defense in 2011 as you were incensed at Bush for spending $494 billion on defense in 2008?

And are you incensed at Obama for "... rubber stamping to every spending bill just so he could have the wars".  Because Obama is doing exactly the same thing, only spending more money than Bush spent.

I agree though, that our defense spending should be both reduced and what the money is being spent on could be modified.  But, you cannot blame the President for this spending.  Congress controls the defense budget.  And many billions of dollars are put into the defense budget to give jobs to the states that the senators who control this budget are from.  And most of these jobs are wasteful.

I will give you just one example.  During WWII we had 7,000 people in the Department of the Navy disbursement office whose job it was to specify, order, and construct Navy ships.  These 7,000 people built 88,000 ships in just shy of 4 years.  That means that they each built 3 ships per year (3.14 to be exact).  Today, the Navy has over 40,000 people in the disbursement office who build about 7 ships a year.  Let's see, we went from 1 disbursement officer building 3 ships a year, to 5,700 disbursement officers building 1 ship a year.  The defense budget is littered with this kind of insanity.

But what has any President every done about any of this?  NOTHING.

There is a company that you have never heard of, called MITRE.  I hate these idiots.  Congress passed a law that requires the general staff of every military installation to contain MITRE people.  They are supposed to be advanced level technical people whose job it is to give solid advice to the general staff on technology acquisitions, research, etc.  And they are the most dishonest, incompetent, corrupt people I have ever encountered.  And they cost $200,000 per person, per year.  Every general officer I know wishes these corrupt idiots would just go away.  But, Congress critters who control the budget process want these MITRE  jobs in their states, so year after year they extend this mandate.

I could write volumes on how the US military budget could be slashed by at least 40% while increasing the efficiency of the US military, but unless we totally change how Congress functions, this will never happen.

For example, all the big accounting firms, such as Deloitte, get billions of dollars every year from the military for "research" and "consulting".  And, they produce NOTHING useful.  And if someone is at a base actually doing something useful who is not part of this budget process, and you won't be unless you are from one of these large companies, they do everything possible to subvert whatever it is that this outside person is doing.

Bush is not the reason that this corrupt system exists and the reason that we waste hundreds of billions of dollars on "military" expenditures, Congress is at fault for this. And Obama has done nothing to fix it.  So, do you hate Obama as much as you hate Bush?