Trumps covert CIA action in Venezuela

President Donald Trump continued his threats towards Greenland on Friday, as he insisted that if the United States did not act Russia or China could occupy it in the future.

Trump said that if he is unable to make a deal to acquire the territory “the easy way,” then he will have to “do it the hard way.”

“We are going to do something in Greenland, whether they like it or not, because if we don’t do it, Russia or China will take over Greenland, and we’re not going to have Russia or China as a neighbor,” Trump told reporters at the White House.

This is clearly causing fear in the Nato alliance.

And hence terrorism to a allied country, Denmark 

He has no idea how expensive warfare is in the arctic - all your equipment will break down (and there is no logistics - so you have to fly everything in with helicopters that can’t always reach their target because of snow storms etc) - the Nordic countries equipment is made for arctic warfare - do you know why we have brought iceslades ? Because the dogs can feel Mulan’s etc - your snow scooters can’t - so unless you dream about literally getting “eaten” by Mother Earth herself - I would sit that one out if I were you - and he was insane enough to go through with it

@nature1970

You can't take Greenland by military force you can't say this in public this is not acceptable.

He has made it clear that he intends to make sure China and Russia cannot have Greenland or the strategic influence in that region, as it is encroachment.  This is the same situation that Latin America has allowed to happen.  That was a huge part of the Venezuelan mess.  The Panama Canal. Chile, etc.

He obviously sees what others have been talking about for a couple of decades now.  The difference is that Trump will say it out loud.  He is certainly loud about it as that in itself is a deterrent to them.

Quite obviously, he cannot just send troops in to take over another area.  He would have to get a lot of folks on his side, from Congress to European support.

That is why he is positing the payout and other encouragement things.

Folks that do not realize the regimes they are dealing with and only deal with them because of personal benefit at the time are simply short-sighted on geopolitics from very self-centered regimes.

This is nothing new at all from the USA.  They have been trying various ways, throughout the world, for decades now to 'influence' states to opt for less Communistic influence.

Some would argue that it is their duty in a way.  It is akin to the old canard of a 'good guy not doing or saying anything'.

There is something to be said for isolationism.  But eventually it will not be you dealing with the issue, but the next generation or the next.

There is a lot to be said for getting out in from of things.

Can, Trump say things more delicately, or tactfully -- absolutely.  But he is very, very correct that something needs to be done at some point.

The sooner, the better.

Venezuela mess is what it is we had a 15 million bounty on Maduro and delta force completed that mission.

'Is what it is?  I am not sure what that means.  

The issue is that it got out of hand and Trump stepped in when others turned away.

Think Biden actually raised that bounty to $25M 

@nature1970

That is a way some folks will see it.  I am not even totally disagreeing.

But look at some of the other strategic, or otherwise, territories like Guam, American Samoa, or even Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands and Northern Mariana Islands.

I am sure Trump is seeing it more along those lines.

It would not be the same as Crimea, Hong Kong, etc.

But look at how empty NATO is, or even the UN at this point.  What have they done.  What has Denmark done.  What could they even do if Russia or China decided to do what they are accusing Trump or wanting to do.

You cannot simply assume these Communists folks want what is best for you' -- they do not, they want what is good for them only.

Magas believe trump is some military genius. Thats so comical on so many levels,am at a loss for words.

I guess when magas make a person like trump their idol in their sorry lives, they start to believe that hes God like powers.  President bone spurs

@cd329

 Magas believe trump is some military genius.

Name one MAGA, or anyone that has said this.

I have understand USA unchecked policy on China resource acquisition and nation development this is the power that now fills our nation first policy. Putin has gone and decided to unveil the hypersonic middle capable of nuclear weapons and able to hit Washington in 30 minutes. As a demonstration in Ukraine theater. 

What Putin has lost is his market Europe and hence becoming more in debt to China. China is now the greatest economic engine on the planet it's manufacturing capabilities are unrivaled what they need is tons of resources to support that production.

Trump has no answer for this. He says made in America but there is no economic manufacturing policy in play. He needs to drive down energy costs and labor costs to become independent of China and all it is is talk to pander to labor like he is there friend.

I understand the need for defense and the need for company to provide intelligence but the military was designed for overseas work. And civilian sector domestic concerns.

Trump is pushing an agenda that the majority doesn't support he is facing a entire Congress shift in position.

Openly states Susan Collins should be removed from office so he can have a governor who will tell him off at his own breakfast.... 

These erode his base and continue to erode confidence in USA to provide any support or guidance.

Isolationist and that strategy led to huge wars. Now it replaying. Trump is a temp who won a popular support against a opponent who never campaigned... 

Now he facing magas darlings saying go away....

@nature1970

 Isolationist and that strategy led to huge wars.

What do you mean exactly here?

China is now the greatest economic engine

This is not the factor it once was thought to be.  China has a lot of internal economic issues.  You can see how they struggled more than other economies to recover coming out of the pandemic.  The confidence level, especially from the EU countries, has dropped a lot.  When their economy was growing at double-digits, everyone loved them.  Now that it has slowed to 5% or so that confidence has waned a good bit.

Trump has no answer for this. He says made in America but there is no economic manufacturing policy in play.

Absolutely he does.  He at least has made the effort several in the past refused to attempt because they thought the outcome was inevitable.

I mean look at the booming situation the USA is in now.  The trade deficit has dropped drastically.  The influx of foreign investments into the country for manufacturing has shot up. Etc., etc.

You simply will not hear about this with the media.

Trump is pushing an agenda that the majority doesn't support he is facing a entire Congress shift in position.

Of course, the majority are wrong a lot.  He certainly realizes the time around he has to get things done early in the term because of the midterms.

Look at all of the things he has done just in the first year.  He did not try to move that fast in his first term.

Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo more mega nonsense. Will it ever end with these sheep that keep repeating what trump and right wing maga media says.

Even megan kelly who i dislike said fox news people are like trump puppets that repeat nonsense, just like the posters on this website and others on the net.

all i know is trump has until jan 20th to cut my electric bill in half, cause thats what this low life criminal promised all the magas at his rallies.

50 PERCENT CUT IN ELECTRIC BILLS IN 1 YEAR. JAN 20TH IS 1 YEAR.

Magas are such little gullible sheep.

Trump tariffs, spending cuts and immigration policies worsen manufacturing employment.  2025 was the worst year for jobs growth since 2020.  In contrast, Biden CHIP act, Infrastructure bill and Inflation reduction act boost manufacturing employment. 

@Raiders22

 appreciate the thoughts in the response  

 I'm not advocating Mesh, just contributing by sharing others viewpoints I find interesting to discussion.  Decades of history are happening within a time frame of only years here as we speak....fascinating history we are living.  Godspeed to the world.    

@kcblitzkrieg

China work force in numbers is unmatched. 

Our financials are worse then can be expressed.

Everything about our place in the free world is based on the full faith and confidence in our currency and government. We honor treaties.

Now NATO. Europe has stayed at peace during the Cold war because a strike on one was a strike on all.

However taking a sovereign allied members territory by force has never been an issue before this administration.

And the only two who profit from this absurd action is Russia and China. Trump is not on same page because of China or Russia invaded Greenland then all nato members would be required to back the danes. This isn't some elaborate assymetrical plan to enhance the quality of the lives of Greenland citizens. It is a clear land grab for strip mining interests because danes find the activity morally repulsive for a climate change driven governmental society....

He is finding a way to create a risk game board where he holds North America and south America and is directly in charge of those assets..... 

Again his steady consistent behavior and making a killer deal for what he wants oozes like the words from the art of the deal. 

And his thirst for power is not quenchable.

isolationist, defined. 

Definition & meaning
Isolationism refers to a national policy of avoiding involvement in international alliances and political or economic relations. This approach emphasizes a country's detachment from global affairs, prioritizing national interests over foreign engagements. Isolationism contrasts with interventionism, where a nation actively participates in international conflicts or alliances.

source https://legal-resources.uslegalforms.com/i/isolationism#:~:text=Definition%20

America first initiative is an example of this strategy.

U.S. non-interventionism is a foreign policy of avoiding political and military involvement in other countries' internal affairs, rooted in George Washington's advice to avoid "entangling alliances" and emphasizing national sovereignty and self-defense. Historically, it was a dominant principle, especially between the World Wars, but it has been challenged by events like Pearl Harbor and the Cold War, leading to a fluctuating balance between isolationism and international engagement. 

Core principles

Avoid alliances: Stay out of permanent military alliances that could draw the U.S. into foreign conflicts. 

Focus on self-defense: Prioritize direct territorial security over foreign entanglements. 

Respect sovereignty: Uphold the right of other nations to govern themselves without outside interference. 

 y removing our influence pre 1940 the world engaged in 2 great wars. we came in after Europe was dominated by Germany and the Pacific by Japan in WW2, in the war to end kingdoms WW1 queen Victoria passing led Europe into a huge war against the czar of Russia, nicolas of Germany and the Windsor family in England, by the end the world economy as in ruin. 

WW2 was not much different and after math was a 5 allied nations that broke apart before 1950 leading to Nato alliance. 

this stabilized Europe and most of the free world. 

 ow we are digressing to a non alliances policy removing our selves from foreign aid and health association. 

we are abandoning out nato partnership. Venezuela is now heading to a distinct 4th world state as guerilla warfare is emerging in the provinces and a cartel style government is forming with the wealthy assuming a role of business and trade in oil and drugs.

without immediate stability of a secured governmental civil society strong enough to enforce humanity mission then this will become the next Afghanistan and a hot bed of terrorist recruiting and training...

@nature1970

GW....a true OG 

Family members of two Trinidadian men killed in a U.S. military boat strike have sued the Swampy Donnie administration, accusing it of wrongful death and extrajudicial (unauthorized) killings.

Their families say they were fishermen and farm workers simply returning home.

Spanky's crew has never produced recovered drugs from these murders. Why is that? Wouldn't you want "some" evidence to prove these attacks were warranted?

Nah, why bother when you can just lie your way through murders, right?

I hear no fishing poles or nets were found either.

Try ask your AI friend how “gillnet” is used in commercial fishing 

In congress hearing, General Donovan admits that military strikes against drug boats aren't the answer to US drug problem.  He is the leader of US southern command.  So strikes just destroy low level assets and displace routes without stopping drug trafficking.  But Trump and Hegseth love explosions.

'Not the only answer' and 'not an effective answer at all' are two very different things.

NO boat that has been blown up has gone on to deliver any drugs.  

So that part is working extremely well.