@wallstreetcappers
Typical WSC. When you're completely wrong about something, you try to say, "my meaning must've flown over your head." There's nothing you have ever written, that I have read, that has flown over my head. You wete simply making an incorrect point. There was no nuance. No "read between the lines" meaning. You were just wrong. So please, spare me the gaslighting.
I disagree with portions of the last 2000 characters and offer the following middle ground.
The phase used was immigrants which has morphed to imply illegals. A distinction that should be noted. I'd wager quite a bit that legal immigrants are quite productive beyond the grunt work surmised by many.
Second, I disagree to an extent that any labor expense savings experienced those employing illegal immigrants is passed on to the consumer ergo 690k houses in Tysons Corner to Fredericksburg built by migrants or the cost of watermelons picked in the fields of Cato New York.
Now where I agree is that it is often cost ineffective for Americans to do these jobs at the wage required or that often Americans won't do them. Unless of course we just let the unions do them cause they are super cost effective.
@StumpTownStu
This would be possible if I didnt say the exact same thing in different contexts over and over and over. My white dood comment(s) are always about the non-white narrative that you and the TNC are running and it is flawed. So tell me precisely what was wrong with saying stop looking at the color of the skin and look at everyone and all facets of the situation not just the skin color or location.
White doods manufacture, distribute and profit off the industry, this is fact, especially when you discover that the world is not flat and there are millions of people outside of the USA, what a fascinating concept that the world is out there and in every single country there are drugs being made and sold by more people than the illegals you and Trump want to pin the woes of your life on.
So no comment about isolation huh, just trying to sloppily back up your misguided comment? Was there drugs before Mexico and other southern countries got involved? Would isolating and closing stop the drug epidemic? Are there drugs in other countries which are manufactured and distributed by more than the cartel?
Any other answer than YES and you are just another partisan follower who will bend and manipulate ANY scenario to push the TNC agenda.
@unplucked_gem
Oh you are correct to the part you addressed, but the need for an insult wont be allowed at all. If you continue to insult me then you will be boxed or banned, there is no need for the personal dig just stick to the discussion.
What you missed was the PROFITS context, so yes the cheaper labor is passed on in some respects and PROFITS are collected in the other...the cheaper labor benefits this non-white country in many respects and the gluttony of profit corps as mentioned is also part of the beneficiaries.
You could pay 2x the wages and you arent going to get takers for grunt manual labor, few if any non-illegals will do the ag work required, and if you have not noticed the pesky inflation generated since Trump in the produce section then you are not looking. Everything I purchase has massive cost increases from green onions to lettuce to apples to avocados to mangos to broccoli, that is what happens when you take away the cheap labor pool and supply is massively impacted.
Insult where my guy?
if you're referring to the 2000 characters line that specifies where my disagreement lies with no insult intended.
Just trying to be specific that the first 2000 characters were unobjected, its the last 2000 that were problematic.
suggest lightening up as that wasn't an insult
back to post #1, Joe, do you really think Trump planned this? I've heard some wild outlandish stuff about DJT but planning riots in LA? the only one who planned these riots are the scum who waited 48 hours for this protest to gain some momentum. It really shows now that Mayor Bass put up a curfew after some 23 local businesses were looted.
The setting cop cars on fire.... that was peaceful? Smelling the rubber burn, lets roast some marshmallows. Why do these shit stains who wreck fine protests wait till it's warm out to unleash domestic terror on communities. Never in the winter in NY or Chicago or Minneapolis. LA has always been a hotbed place to start shit, LAPD was not prepared to deal with the chaos, just like the LAFD was not prepared for the fires just a short time ago. It starts from the top and shit rolls down hill, Newscum, Bass....and down the line. No wonder Kamala doesn't want to be included in Cali politics right now, I am not sure what situation is worse.... following Newscum/Bass in Cali or following Trump?
Let's hope this doesn't turn out like the Watts riots, or the Rodney King riots. both of those were unjustified and only comparable as the other two major riots in or around LA in my memory. not comparing those police beatings so please don't go down that hole as that's not my point, it's just simply riots where the city burned and the initial protests both those times turned upside down looting, burning, violent chaos
Considering how big a market you got - you should be happy there apparently for a large part is an agreement in the underground those weaklings run it - if you for one second think it is in your best interest the Mafia families from around the world wanted to run that - you are a bigger idiot then I thought - and again somebody will run it
@wallstreetcappers
We have run into this before. You assume I pay attention to much of the things you say. I definitely do not. We haven't had much interaction over the years. We still don't. And as much as you like to put people in boxes, assign them "sides", i'm just an individual and I don't partske. So regardless of how many "white dood" comments you make, I have to take any comment at face value, and of it's own merit. And taking this all into account, you were/are wrong. Period. You clearly know nothing of the subject. And that's fine. You have a respectable knowledge of finance. It says nothing of one's character to know the inner workings of ilicit drug trades.
These are the facts though. We aren't living in the 70's and 80's. "White doods" are cooking up meth in trailers and running black tar. No one's smuggling over China White from south east Asia. We aren't bringing in ecstasy from the Netherlands. Virtually all the drugs on the streets of America are controlled by the Cartels. Like 99% of the non-prescripion opioids, i.e. heroin/non-medicinal fentanyl. All of the cocaine. The Colombians and Peruvians are just growers now. Mexico controls the trade. They're even experimenting with growing coca in Mexico. The white doods involved in the drug trade, even gangs like the HA who are involved at high levels, they get the supply from the cartels.
YouGov poll shows most Americans disapprove of Trump handling of immigration. As in first term, his zero tolerance policies are crude and controversial in treating non-criminals as criminals. For example, locking children in cages. Yet other presidents have been more successful in deporting more immigrants without breaking so many laws.
American immigration council estimates mass deportation would reduce GDP and overall employment including US citizens. Immigrants contribute to US economy as consumers, workers, tax payers and entrepreneurs.
@wallstreetcappers
And please stop trying to spin this as if I have some issue with brown people. I can almost guarantee I have more connection, that I get and give more love to brown communities than most on this site. Maybe not all Central/South American peoples but Mexicans specifically, I have deep ties to. And guess what. Most of them are against open borders as well. Anyone here legally, whether by birth or naturalization, is for damn sure going to he against a bunchnof people here illegally. And they are gonna he against the Cartels moving freely across insufficiently protected borders. They're against the influx of undocumented citizens overcrowding their communities. They're against the drugs. Most liberals are out of touch on this though. They think they're advocating for underserved communities. They're literally destroying them.
Why do you continue to speak on things you know nothing about. While eastern groups such as the Serbians, Albanians, Russians, etc are extremely well organized, amd equally as ruthless, they can't hold a candle to the cartels. The cartels simply have more money, and more soldiers. You should google fhe ruthlessness of the cartels before you speak on things you know nothing about.
That is just because you have a system both in US and Mexico that is so corrupt and weapon is so openly available - that they easier can be brutal etc. - believe me if they were so “tough” they would also operate here at a bigger extent than they do - we are 2.5 times more people than you (and almost as rich) - and they already produce and send it over here
But sure they would also kill you if you got on the bad side of them - just like they would here - but in how structured and how well they are run they are way better over here
I think two things can be true at the same time, in that white doods in Arkansas are cooking meth while cartels are running 99% of the trade.
After all, 1% of a big number is......a big number.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdar/pr/gentry-woman-sentenced-over-23-years-federal-prison-drug-trafficking-and-money
In those gangs - violence is used as an intimidation tactic - here it is used against those they don’t like - with the simple goal of killing someone - so of course their methods are “more violent” over there - but if you are thrown out of a window from 8th floor or poisoned
or you have your head cut off - doesn’t really change the fact that you just gets killed - but some of those methods are used to scare people - the others are used by cold blooded murders acting in the shadows
@unplucked_gem
So we are living in the flat world USA only exists universe. Did you answer my question above given to the other member? No...of course because you are squeezing narrative just like he is trying to.
Why is the focus per you and the TNC and other members here on the brown folk in the US and below to the south as the core of the drug trade and crime and whatever other nonsense you like to try and pin? Were there drugs in this country prior to cartels being involved? Would there be drugs if we 100% isolated all interaction and used the Jetsons teleport machine to get rid of all those awful brown folk? The answer is yes to both...drugs have existed long before and will continue no matter who the supplier is. If the US were not drug hoarding addicts there would not be a demand for their supply, the reason why the cartels came up here is that there is a massive DEMAND from those white folks who love drugs, they brought their gear up here to make a profit off our hooked white doods. Before the cartel there were drug suppliers and even when the demand for the products that the cartels provided has dropped there is NEW and WORSE drugs because that is how things evolve. In the earlier times the drug trade was MJ and that evolved into cocaine which evolved into this and that and the other and now we are into new and much worse drugs.
When you focus on the color of someones skin or the origin of their birth and not on the issue of demand how can you fix the problem? I do not recall in this discussion of drugs and the brown folk ever a single time the discussion about how our medical profession has a large part in addicting our citizens legally...that our drug companies have products that turn regular citizens into addicts and we have millions of deaths due to opioid addiction, no the TNC and you guys here are always finger pointing at Latin America and illegals as the reason for the drug trade and never ever a single focus or discussion about white folk and US citizens and their involvement in the trade itself and the addiction epidemic which exists.
I mentioned a while back probably more than once that a high school friend of mine got married around the same time I did and his wife got into a car accident, she must have a propensity for addiction because she got hooked on pain killers (never any drug involvement in the past of any kind) and had to go down to methadone to try and ease off the opioids she was medically given and she died in her sleep leaving my friend and his 3 kids to raise, she was I think 25.
Keep focusing on the cartels and the brown folk, that narrative has zero chance of working and nuking all non-white folk will not change the issue of addiction or the existence of supply in whatever form it is...our human nature and addiction propensities negates the focus on skin color or where the drugs come from. The only cure for the drug trade is to stop demand, you cannot and will not stop supply no matter what you do.
Why would they operate any more than they do in a country a world away from their home base? Makes no sense. Those groups will always control that region. It's a proximity thing. Most opioids in Europe (heroin) still come from traditional regions in the Middle East and South East Asia. Gambling, prostitution, white collar rackets, etc. The Cartels aren't big into gambling, for example, even over here. Narcotics is the king of illicit trades, and they are the kings of narcotics. In Europe and Australia, it's just cocaine for them. And they are.more than happy selling cocaine to those other groups and letting them handle smuggling and distribution. Why would they attempt to grow their presence past that? It's not like their is even one group over there. There are multiple groups jockeying for position. The cartels are more than happy to just sell them blow.
I meant the European market, not the Danish market. They want to control the American market for the same reason: money. Neither party seems upset about the unspoken agreement that Mexicans control your market and the Mafia controls ours. However, eliminating the Mexican drug trade wouldn't significantly improve things because whoever took over would likely run it similarly. At least if it would be run by some of our major criminal organizations. Which it probably would be. But okay, we can concede that you are right because that is actually not important. I know I started it, but it's basically a "my dad is stronger than yours" debate, where instead of dads, we discuss whose criminal organization is the most ruthless - a question we probably never get answered anyway.
Btw the fewer groups fighting for the drug trade, the better. If all the criminal organizations in the U.S. started fighting for it, there would be more violence. There are too many drug addicts and too much money for criminals to not want to fight for that market. In a weird way, you should be happy that those who run it do so with such violence and strength that other contenders don't dare join in because that's the best-case scenario.
You cited me by name to address a position or point that I made, which is fine.
However, the multiple incendiary references to "you guys" and "TNC" is unfounded, personal, and not relevant to either the point made or the one you should be trying to make.
I politely demand better in the similar way our current environment has amended interaction.
@unplucked_gem
See there you go with the word count insult again. There is absolutely no need for personal digs and especially when we both know you are and have done this several times in the past, if you do it again just remember you were warned.
How about you quit replying to me since more than 12 words is more than your mind seems capable of interacting with.
Stop with the passive aggressive nonsense, if you make insults and attacks then you will be called out on it period. My correlation between the narrative YOU use and the TNC uses and other members use is based on your words, if you find this an insult then change your viewpoint to be different than those you are mirroring. Notice that my comments are based on your CONTENT not a personal insult about how many words you use, this is called content based discussion and correlation.
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