@unplucked_gem
If he got into the building how would an open door not be allowed to enter? You saw the vid right, there were other people there and he was not out of line stepping into an open room and asking a question, it is actually positive to see an elected official concerned and motivated to get answers since Trump and his crew are doing an awful job working with states and counties and communicating to any degree.
Do you need help with the definitions of political and potential, or do you want to just take my word that they are completely unrelated. They aren't interchangeable and doing so completely alters what is being said.
As far as post 93, I said "seemed" and "came off as", which were valid takes.
@StumpTownStu
I'm good, I misread that single word but since we are in the POLITICS forum, the players are POLITICIANS is it that far of a stretch?
Pretty weak assertion to cry foul here Stu, my political slip is not really a slip unless you want to suggest this is not a political topic or that the players are not politicians.
You can't be serious. If someone misquoted you in a way that completely changed the context of one of your posts, you would threaten to box them. Are you really gonna go with, "it's not that far of a stretch"?
@StumpTownStu
Well go with that silly narrative because I dont box people for a misuse of a word political in the POLITICS FORUM.
Potential vs Political when everyone involved is a politician and this is the politics forum...lol workin for a livin there Stu...keep on seeking that bad mod wedge, this one was a solid miss.
Keep lying to yourself. Everyone knows how you operate. It's quote blatant. You are a bad mod. I imagine that the only reason you haven't been relieved of said duty is that whoever makes such decisions just doesn't give a crap. Why upset the apple cart, right? Who else is going to do it?
Again, would you like me to provide definitions for the words potential and political, or can we just agree that the words are unrelated. And that swapping one out for the other completely changes a statement? Keep saying, "but it's a political forum" as if this changes anything. You misquoted me for effect. To drive home your point. You do this often, so I assume it's intentional.
@wallstreetcappers
I agree with you that once he was out of the room, the taken to the ground was excessive. you can see when the fbi guy took his arm, his hands went up, like ok I won't resist
it is important to note that Noem didn't really even flinch and kept to her script, other than a look over to see the interruption was handled. the guys in the room that removed him were not abusive at all, main guy had his hands under the armpit for leverage.
I was not disagreeing with you other than the brown comment, this is a very ugly look on both sides now. I wouldn't blame Noem here she was doing the presser, but there is some bigtime tension levels going on in LA right now, so this interaction was actually handled professionally inside the room. 
@THEMUGG
just like the idiots that marched into the detention center unannounced because they believe they're entitled. Just stupid, stupid people.
do you mean the Newark thing from last week? If you did, they said today that 3 or 4 bad mofos escaped from that place and on the run. During the chaos of the protests... you wanna bet they are going to california? now looking back we know who ICE was there to take right?
btw Newark really is still a shithole but thanks for leaving the RED STAR sign up 
. sorry my NJ peeps if you read this but you even have to shut your a/c off when going by on 95, it's the combo of dump meth and low tide
it doesn't help that the media airs the WH press secretary briefings everyday either, it is incredibly rude and so unprofessional to ask question only to interrupt the answer
this happens all over politic today from senate hearings to special council testimonies
it goes from asking a question to just berate the person who starts to answer, not taking sides here either. the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions
there is no way these current politicians ever learned what etiquette is, and these are the slim few who we are forced to elect in this crap two party system
as well as ourselves here who post, we all should brush up on our etiquette skills
I could never play golf with anyone here, I would need Slim to keep a firm eye on Wall to make sure his score is accurate. If Joe pockets and kool aid were on the hole ahead of me I most likely hit a shot on their heels for playing so slow. Mugg and Stu doing burnouts on the fairway. wait this sounds like a good time
@soup-can
this happens all over politic today from senate hearings to special council testimonies
it goes from asking a question to just berate the person who starts to answer, not taking sides here either. the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions
100%. They're so unproductive. I'm reclaiming my time.
@soup-can
My contention was that Noem should have taken the question, not acted like a prompt reader who cannot improvise or actually think and react. One of the greatest things I liked and respected about Obama is he would not ignore or shut down hecklers or loud pointed questions, he would engage and respond and have conversation. He was not afraid to interact and actually have contrarian discussion, this is what is completely lacking with the Trump admin..now it is either follow what he says or get the hell out of the room and who is this guy etc or even worse the insults and personal attacks.
If she would have not ignored his question and actually had some compassion and understanding for how this city and country is feeling instead of ignoring and detaining, there would not have been an event.
Notice that all over the country and especially in TNC country citizens are ticked off at the way Trump is abusing his presidential authorities and is not communicating or collaborating with anyone but his cabinet and his inner circle.
@wallstreetcappers
#101
I think this is part of the general disconnect.
An event occurs and either side puts forward the nobility behind said event when we all know the real intent. On the surface, I agree with interest by elected officials but in this instance it's disingenuous.
Similarly on the other side, shipping migrants to Martha's Vineyard. Lot of noble arguments, but we all know what they were doing.
@unplucked_gem
Agree...shocking right but for sure both sides are guilty of grandstanding, posturing and creating chaos to forward a narrative. It seems to be a constant not only in politics bot in society in general. I tell my youth kiddo that this generation is the most attention seeking ever and that is due to social media and putting the need/want of the one over consideration and respect of the whole.
@soup-can
Read what I stated again, could she have fielded the question, yes or no? Did she even attempt to interact with the individual who entered an open door to an open event?
If the door is open then it is an open event period. If it was intended on being a prompt reading presser then close the door and use signage that communicates that this is a closed stage/event and no entry during the shooting of the presser. THIS is how you communicate and conduct a closed presser. The guy did nothing wrong and we have seen politicians who field questions on the fly and do it with class and proper consideration.
WSC, you know economics. I'll always credit you with that. On other subjects, you often speak completely out of your you-know-what. And you do it with a smugly as if you are talking about finance.
First off, just because a door is open, that doesn't mean an event is free to enter. I don't know where you came upmwith this, as it isn't based in reality. Also, in the eventnof a closed stage/set, there won't necessarily be signage or prompts stating this. And frankly, this was only a "set" in that it was being filmed. It was a press conference set up inna random room, possibly even the press room, at a federal building. As a sitting Senator, it would be no problem for Padilla to pretty much access any area, in a Federal building, in his home state. This was a press conference though. Which is just what it sounds like. An event to address the press.
Let's get to the meat though. First off, you say "she could've fielded his question," shifting blame to Noem. Most pressers have time at the end for questions. The woman had barely started her statement though. You have more than once made comments about how other presidents dealt with hecklers. Your use of the word heckler was not lost on me. Let's get a few things straight. Kristi Noem is not the president. She is not a press secretary. She's not even a lifelong politician used to pivoting in such instances. She's the Director of Homeland Security and a former governor of a sparsely populated state. She's still finding her footing with such things. And none of that even matters because your statement is false. Presidents haven't had to deal with these types of combative outbursts. Can anyone remember a presidential press conference, or that of a press secretary l, for that matter, where someone has barged into the room and demanded the floor? It doesn't happen. Presidents, politicians in general, aren't "heckled". They are sometimes asked aggressive questions, at the appropriate time for questioning. They are sometimes cut off, and spoken over, by memebers of the press, at the appropriate time for questioning. They aren't dealing with Senators barging into press rooms, and demanding an audience, minutes, if that, into an event.
So please stop playing the victim card for someone who conducted themselves in a way that is unbecoming for a senator. And please stop playing the race card. If he were white, and he carried on in this way, he would've found the same result. Press conferences are for the press. Ifnhe so badly needed to crash her presser and make a splash scene, if he so badly needed to "ask a question," he should've waited for the appropriate time. Stop altering the narrative and rewriting the rules. Press conferences have never been conducted in that manner. Why would it change then?
@wallstreetcappers
That's the problem with bending narratives to personal whim, or simply creating them out of thin air. You say things like, "There should've been signs." First off, there inna press room, not a sound stage. There's no red "Taping In Progress" light like in the movies. The most you're gonna see is a printed sign on a door, or a stanchion with a sign topper with a printed sign, saying "Press Coference in Progress". Or something to that effect. And for all we know, that was present. There is no way to tell from the video evidence we have. They aren't locking the doors. That's insane. Another thing we can't tell from the video evidence is if he even identified himself in a way that was intelligible, or if anyone heard/acknowledged this hypothetical identification. We can't see any of that in the video.
This is how a presser usually works. The press has time to assemble. They usually talk amongst themselves forca bit as everyone gets in and settled. Someone, in the case of a politician, it's usually a member of their staff, in the case of, say, a police chief, often they thrmselves, but someone will then give parameters, guidelines, etc. They'll say what's going to be covered. Sometimes they'll give a time limit for how long the orator will speak. If there are things that are not going to be talked about, it's adddressed. Lastly, they will say if there will be questions, and either how many or for how long. Then the orator comes out, and usually reads a prepared statement. You rarely see people entering a press room once the event has started. And you never see people barging in demanding the floor, "attempting to ask a question," in the middle of a statement. It just doesn't happen. You talk about what other presidents used to do, which is a complete fairytale, because no president has had to deal with such an instance. If Noem had been a sitting president, Padilla might've gotten himself shot with such antics.
Los Angeles protests are in response to inhumane immigration raids. Trump has a history of inciting violence at his rallies. As an admirer of dictators, Trump wants unchecked power to do whatever he wants. No surprise there are millions of "no king" protesters against his bad policies nationwide.
@StumpTownStu
Actually i intentionally did not use heckler exclusively because I do not think that QUESTIONS are heckling, so before you generalize on me yet again go back and read my comments and tell me how many times I used heckler and how many times I did not. I dont consider his assertive question as a heckle, a heckle would to be a jeer of personal nature aimed at the person directly. Trump heckles people regularly, this was not a heckle.
Next...you are enraged it seems that someone came in and with tone and enthusiasm asked a question. In the case that you do NOT WANT questions, the proper and reasonable approach would be to close the door and post the purpose of the room at the time. As you said it was in the state of this senator and it was a federal building and she is a politician so is he, thus there was absolutely nothing he did which was improper outside of being annoyed by being blocked and ignored and that the situation is TENSE due to Noem and Trump and the administration, SHE is part of the leadership to which this situation was developing and there was a total lack of communication and discord, so he was annoyed and asked a direct and strong question. If she is too inexperienced and unsure to field a question on the fly the CLOSE THE DOOR.
Oh and there are many of these vids out there, not a tough search Stu-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A8TiUpKDVg
One other very interesting comment, watch that vid I put there and compare Obama and Trump. This guy was discussing deportation and executive orders which is similar in many ways to current day. Obama said he cannot ignore the rule of law and reach around congress via an executive order. It is so glaringly obvious the difference between an educated, experienced, respectful Obama and this piece of garbage Trump..one has full regard for the country the branches of government and laws that exist and Trump has NONE of those attributes or deep care for anyone but himself and his profiling objectives.
@wallstreetcappers
Do you even listen to yourself? You can't be serious. You misquote me, completely changing the context of my statement, then try to spin it as if I was actually misunderstanding you.
I quote you exactly, and you get upset and have the audacity to say, "...tell me how may times I used heckler and how many times I did not." That was your word. If you didn't mean it, don't type it.
Next, where do you get off that i'm enraged. This is a low traffic chat board. There is literally nothing here that enrages me. "Tone and enthusiasm"? He burst in and crashed a presser in way that never happens. A way that's unacceptable. Period. Stop trying to create your own truth.
And your video shows an attendee at a town hall. Not someone bursting into a press conference unannounced. There's a difference.
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