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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2018 - 1:57 AM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    To understand how great President Trump really is ..and since the topic of his religious beliefs has already been brought up in this thread...

    There's a good book that just came out published by Harper Collins and written by David Brody and Scott Lamb.....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    It chronicles the history of the 45th president’s faith ....Brody and Lamb point to a faith journey of the 45th president that reflects the God of the Universe working in mysterious ways.

    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    To understand how great President Trump really is ..and since the topic of his religious beliefs has already been brought up in this thread...

    There's a good book that just came out published by Harper Collins and written by David Brody and Scott Lamb.....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    It chronicles the history of the 45th president’s faith ....Brody and Lamb point to a faith journey of the 45th president that reflects the God of the Universe working in mysterious ways.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2018 - 5:23 AM ET #52

    If everything happens the way it's suppose to happen, then Canada, and Germany are the ones getting it shuffed up their azz (the two leading steel importers to the U.S.) 

    take note: I am sure their will be an exception for the BMW plant in South Carolina, who by the way, imports 90% of their steel from Germany, and the other 10% from South Korea. You need a plan, not a loud mouth talking shitt, or having a whim attack...
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    If everything happens the way it's suppose to happen, then Canada, and Germany are the ones getting it shuffed up their azz (the two leading steel importers to the U.S.) 

    take note: I am sure their will be an exception for the BMW plant in South Carolina, who by the way, imports 90% of their steel from Germany, and the other 10% from South Korea. You need a plan, not a loud mouth talking shitt, or having a whim attack...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2018 - 6:07 AM ET #53

    BTW, that BMW plant in Greer S.C. employs 9,000 American auto-assembly workers, 

    I hope Mr President you've  taken all this into consideration, along with the Mazda plant in Detroit, employing 12,000 auto workers. who get 70% of their steel by product from Canada..

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    BTW, that BMW plant in Greer S.C. employs 9,000 American auto-assembly workers, 

    I hope Mr President you've  taken all this into consideration, along with the Mazda plant in Detroit, employing 12,000 auto workers. who get 70% of their steel by product from Canada..

     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2018 - 6:58 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    wallstreetcappers: We agree on a lot but this time I must disagree with you. Targeted taxes that have no relationship to the intended beneficiary are inherently unfair and seldom serve the intended purpose. “Sin taxes” like alcohol and tobacco are prime examples. When it comes to appropriating the funds from a specific tax many games are played to make the funds wind up where the government needs or wants it, instead of the intended target beneficiary.    Disclaimer: I am an independent that voted for Trump. Do not badger me with Democrat, liberal, Barack and Hillary fan, or any other label of your choice. Having voted, my mind has returned to independent and I now judge actions and results. There is no “my guy won/lost” or lifelong one-party partisan affiliation involved in any of it. If your mind is sold on one person or one party, let me be.

     

    100% correct....no question about it. Ive shared this story in the past along these lines and I will tell it again.

     

    During the great real estate implosion after 2008 or so tax reciepts really got kicked in the teeth here in AZ so what do the dopes in the state legislature cut first and hardest? education of course. So the already underpaid teachers get pinched even more and funding while already lowest in the country gets worse. Arizona has never valued funding education and are always either last or second to last.

    Anyhoo so there comes about a referendum to have a sales tax earmarked for education and it has to pass an election to get approved and of course it passes and then I think it was a .5 percent tax to go only to education.

    So it comes out quite soon thereafter than the idiots in the state legislature decide to FURTHER offset K-12 education by the ammt raised by the special tax thus effectively eliminating the funding and snuck it under the radar until the special funding initiative was half finished. 

    You are right, there is no such thing as earmarked tax dollars, elected officials will never keep to this concept and will just shift things around negating the initiative. If the concept is not valued (in my earlier example healthcare) then it wont ever be funded even if you were to "divert" import taxes to target that specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    wallstreetcappers: We agree on a lot but this time I must disagree with you. Targeted taxes that have no relationship to the intended beneficiary are inherently unfair and seldom serve the intended purpose. “Sin taxes” like alcohol and tobacco are prime examples. When it comes to appropriating the funds from a specific tax many games are played to make the funds wind up where the government needs or wants it, instead of the intended target beneficiary.    Disclaimer: I am an independent that voted for Trump. Do not badger me with Democrat, liberal, Barack and Hillary fan, or any other label of your choice. Having voted, my mind has returned to independent and I now judge actions and results. There is no “my guy won/lost” or lifelong one-party partisan affiliation involved in any of it. If your mind is sold on one person or one party, let me be.

     

    100% correct....no question about it. Ive shared this story in the past along these lines and I will tell it again.

     

    During the great real estate implosion after 2008 or so tax reciepts really got kicked in the teeth here in AZ so what do the dopes in the state legislature cut first and hardest? education of course. So the already underpaid teachers get pinched even more and funding while already lowest in the country gets worse. Arizona has never valued funding education and are always either last or second to last.

    Anyhoo so there comes about a referendum to have a sales tax earmarked for education and it has to pass an election to get approved and of course it passes and then I think it was a .5 percent tax to go only to education.

    So it comes out quite soon thereafter than the idiots in the state legislature decide to FURTHER offset K-12 education by the ammt raised by the special tax thus effectively eliminating the funding and snuck it under the radar until the special funding initiative was half finished. 

    You are right, there is no such thing as earmarked tax dollars, elected officials will never keep to this concept and will just shift things around negating the initiative. If the concept is not valued (in my earlier example healthcare) then it wont ever be funded even if you were to "divert" import taxes to target that specifically.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2018 - 7:24 AM ET #55

    This morning Trump is taking on NAFTA and liberals are shocked. 

    It’s great to finally have a president coming through on his campaign promises. Imagine if every President actually did what they said they were going to do during their campaign? 

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    This morning Trump is taking on NAFTA and liberals are shocked. 

    It’s great to finally have a president coming through on his campaign promises. Imagine if every President actually did what they said they were going to do during their campaign? 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2018 - 7:26 AM ET #56

    EU puts 10% tariff on our cars. We put 2.5% tariff on theirs. And this is ok because BMW employs 9,000 people in South Carolina? 

    I don’t think so. Time to renegotiate. 

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    EU puts 10% tariff on our cars. We put 2.5% tariff on theirs. And this is ok because BMW employs 9,000 people in South Carolina? 

    I don’t think so. Time to renegotiate. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2018 - 10:18 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:


    Disclaimer: I am an independent that voted for Trump. Do not badger me with Democrat, liberal, Barack and Hillary fan, or any other label of your choice. Having voted, my mind has returned to independent and I now judge actions and results. There is no “my guy won/lost” or lifelong one-party partisan affiliation involved in any of it. If your mind is sold on one person or one party, let me be.    

    Amen.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:


    Disclaimer: I am an independent that voted for Trump. Do not badger me with Democrat, liberal, Barack and Hillary fan, or any other label of your choice. Having voted, my mind has returned to independent and I now judge actions and results. There is no “my guy won/lost” or lifelong one-party partisan affiliation involved in any of it. If your mind is sold on one person or one party, let me be.    

    Amen.......


     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2018 - 1:09 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    100% correct....no question about it. Ive shared this story in the past along these lines and I will tell it again.

     

    During the great real estate implosion after 2008 or so tax reciepts really got kicked in the teeth here in AZ so what do the dopes in the state legislature cut first and hardest? education of course. So the already underpaid teachers get pinched even more and funding while already lowest in the country gets worse. Arizona has never valued funding education and are always either last or second to last.

    Anyhoo so there comes about a referendum to have a sales tax earmarked for education and it has to pass an election to get approved and of course it passes and then I think it was a .5 percent tax to go only to education.

    So it comes out quite soon thereafter than the idiots in the state legislature decide to FURTHER offset K-12 education by the ammt raised by the special tax thus effectively eliminating the funding and snuck it under the radar until the special funding initiative was half finished. 

    You are right, there is no such thing as earmarked tax dollars, elected officials will never keep to this concept and will just shift things around negating the initiative. If the concept is not valued (in my earlier example healthcare) then it wont ever be funded even if you were to "divert" import taxes to target that specifically.


    I am not sure what else you do?  In most states, education is the biggest line item in the budget --- by far.  That is the obvious place to cut some.  Maybe, AZ is lower than some -- but still over 41% of state budget goes to education.  Teacher salary is somewhere in the middle at 49K.  Which is below the living wage of 51K.  But this is about where a lot states fall.  I have never heard of AZ really having bad bang for their buck though.  Looked that up right quick and AZ is dead in the middle at 25th in performance.  So, maybe there is some room for improvement.  But some of the states have flat-out awful bang for their buck --- they are the lowest performing every year.  
    So, I am just not sure that much of the budget should go to education anyway.  There is more going on in these states than simply throwing more money at will take care of.  
    But I defer to you on AZ --- maybe they need more money.
    My question would be --- when you have to cut the budget, where else would you cut there?  I mean, it is just like at your house, if things get tight you have to cut spending somewhere --- and the biggest item probably is a good choice, especially if it has some waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     

    100% correct....no question about it. Ive shared this story in the past along these lines and I will tell it again.

     

    During the great real estate implosion after 2008 or so tax reciepts really got kicked in the teeth here in AZ so what do the dopes in the state legislature cut first and hardest? education of course. So the already underpaid teachers get pinched even more and funding while already lowest in the country gets worse. Arizona has never valued funding education and are always either last or second to last.

    Anyhoo so there comes about a referendum to have a sales tax earmarked for education and it has to pass an election to get approved and of course it passes and then I think it was a .5 percent tax to go only to education.

    So it comes out quite soon thereafter than the idiots in the state legislature decide to FURTHER offset K-12 education by the ammt raised by the special tax thus effectively eliminating the funding and snuck it under the radar until the special funding initiative was half finished. 

    You are right, there is no such thing as earmarked tax dollars, elected officials will never keep to this concept and will just shift things around negating the initiative. If the concept is not valued (in my earlier example healthcare) then it wont ever be funded even if you were to "divert" import taxes to target that specifically.


    I am not sure what else you do?  In most states, education is the biggest line item in the budget --- by far.  That is the obvious place to cut some.  Maybe, AZ is lower than some -- but still over 41% of state budget goes to education.  Teacher salary is somewhere in the middle at 49K.  Which is below the living wage of 51K.  But this is about where a lot states fall.  I have never heard of AZ really having bad bang for their buck though.  Looked that up right quick and AZ is dead in the middle at 25th in performance.  So, maybe there is some room for improvement.  But some of the states have flat-out awful bang for their buck --- they are the lowest performing every year.  
    So, I am just not sure that much of the budget should go to education anyway.  There is more going on in these states than simply throwing more money at will take care of.  
    But I defer to you on AZ --- maybe they need more money.
    My question would be --- when you have to cut the budget, where else would you cut there?  I mean, it is just like at your house, if things get tight you have to cut spending somewhere --- and the biggest item probably is a good choice, especially if it has some waste.
     
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    Well it is easy to find some averages online but those averages are not accurate at all. The better numbers to look at are what the average starting salaries are and how the data is scattered...do you know what that means? It means the numbers you listed, while bad are actually quite worse. The data includes admin and district salaries and that is not really pure teacher numbers alone. The average starting salary for teachers in Arizona is very poor, how can any state expect to draw talent when they start at wages similar to being a manager at Carls Jr? Especially when as some suggest these same teachers should be packing heat and have the skills to use a firearm and the ability to discern what to do in panic situations when someone might be attempting to kill the students and teachers. 

    I live here, I pay property taxes, I have a kiddo that began and is progressing through the school system. I know many teachers and parents who had children go through the school system and it is not as simple as you suggest. I think in the time of budget crisis, K-12 should be the last thing cut...higher-ed would come before but K-12 should not be reduced, its function is too important and since it is paid also with property taxes, not only state funds K-12 is not as big of a drain as you are suggesting.

    It seems you need to do more research than just general numbers you can find on a blog or website, if you look closer at median and starting salaries, think to yourself if you were getting an expensive college degree is teaching (especially with the lame brain gun packing idea) something that makes sense and if you think it does it also suggests you are OK with paying starting teachers well under median income and even including admin and tenured teachers, UNDER median income. Sounds like an issue to me.

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    Well it is easy to find some averages online but those averages are not accurate at all. The better numbers to look at are what the average starting salaries are and how the data is scattered...do you know what that means? It means the numbers you listed, while bad are actually quite worse. The data includes admin and district salaries and that is not really pure teacher numbers alone. The average starting salary for teachers in Arizona is very poor, how can any state expect to draw talent when they start at wages similar to being a manager at Carls Jr? Especially when as some suggest these same teachers should be packing heat and have the skills to use a firearm and the ability to discern what to do in panic situations when someone might be attempting to kill the students and teachers. 

    I live here, I pay property taxes, I have a kiddo that began and is progressing through the school system. I know many teachers and parents who had children go through the school system and it is not as simple as you suggest. I think in the time of budget crisis, K-12 should be the last thing cut...higher-ed would come before but K-12 should not be reduced, its function is too important and since it is paid also with property taxes, not only state funds K-12 is not as big of a drain as you are suggesting.

    It seems you need to do more research than just general numbers you can find on a blog or website, if you look closer at median and starting salaries, think to yourself if you were getting an expensive college degree is teaching (especially with the lame brain gun packing idea) something that makes sense and if you think it does it also suggests you are OK with paying starting teachers well under median income and even including admin and tenured teachers, UNDER median income. Sounds like an issue to me.

     
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    Yeah  I see the avg starting ones listed as well.  About the same area.  This is for each state -- so, if one includes admin --- the others do as well.  But these were specifically teachers.
    Yes, for sure more money draws more talent.  That is why companies pay CEOs so much or NBA teams pay so much.  If one company or team doesn't then another will.  So yes, if you pay more then you do get more talented applicants.  But how do you quantify the talent, or the results.  Like stock price or points per game?  It is just dicey at best.  
    That is why I say I think more is going on and something else --- besides or in addition to more money --- is needed.  Because some states that are lower on the pay scale are higher on the results scale and vice-versa.  So, I am not sure money is the whole answer.  I have never felt it was worth 40%-50% of the budget.  
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    Yeah  I see the avg starting ones listed as well.  About the same area.  This is for each state -- so, if one includes admin --- the others do as well.  But these were specifically teachers.
    Yes, for sure more money draws more talent.  That is why companies pay CEOs so much or NBA teams pay so much.  If one company or team doesn't then another will.  So yes, if you pay more then you do get more talented applicants.  But how do you quantify the talent, or the results.  Like stock price or points per game?  It is just dicey at best.  
    That is why I say I think more is going on and something else --- besides or in addition to more money --- is needed.  Because some states that are lower on the pay scale are higher on the results scale and vice-versa.  So, I am not sure money is the whole answer.  I have never felt it was worth 40%-50% of the budget.  
     
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    Yes.  I am for sure not for teachers having guns.  That is not a well-thought out plan at all.  No teacher signed up for that.  What teacher wants to be faced with having to shoot a minor --- and probably one they taught and care about.  m\Many things wrong with that plan.  

    But why does AZ have better results than their pay would indicate?  There has to be something else going on.  It cannot be pay alone.  Not sure what you thought I suggested was simple?  I don't know that I have a suggestion.  That is why I say it cannot be simply more money.

    I have done lots of research on this.  Written on it as well as spoke about it.  It is not clear-cut as throwing more money at it.  Look at the low budgets of some other countries and their results.  Look at what our budgets used to be and the much better results.  What happened and is continuing to happen.  The kids are not getting dumber --- that is proven.  So, what is the issue?

    Yes---most starting are going to be under median.  This is the case in most places.  But, once they have been teaching for a bit they are quickly above the median.  I have no problem with that.  You cannot expect to come out of college making top dollar right away.  This is the same with all jobs.  And to be honest I am not sure that a teaching education should be that expensive.  But that is another issue.

    I just think Arizona does well compared to a lot of states.  But all states could improve for sure.

    I also do not think education warrants that much of the money.  So, I would have no problem cutting there.  Other issued need addressing. It is important, as you noted, but needs to be addressed --- instead of 'hoping' throwing more money at it will fix it; it has been proven not to fix it.  
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    Yes.  I am for sure not for teachers having guns.  That is not a well-thought out plan at all.  No teacher signed up for that.  What teacher wants to be faced with having to shoot a minor --- and probably one they taught and care about.  m\Many things wrong with that plan.  

    But why does AZ have better results than their pay would indicate?  There has to be something else going on.  It cannot be pay alone.  Not sure what you thought I suggested was simple?  I don't know that I have a suggestion.  That is why I say it cannot be simply more money.

    I have done lots of research on this.  Written on it as well as spoke about it.  It is not clear-cut as throwing more money at it.  Look at the low budgets of some other countries and their results.  Look at what our budgets used to be and the much better results.  What happened and is continuing to happen.  The kids are not getting dumber --- that is proven.  So, what is the issue?

    Yes---most starting are going to be under median.  This is the case in most places.  But, once they have been teaching for a bit they are quickly above the median.  I have no problem with that.  You cannot expect to come out of college making top dollar right away.  This is the same with all jobs.  And to be honest I am not sure that a teaching education should be that expensive.  But that is another issue.

    I just think Arizona does well compared to a lot of states.  But all states could improve for sure.

    I also do not think education warrants that much of the money.  So, I would have no problem cutting there.  Other issued need addressing. It is important, as you noted, but needs to be addressed --- instead of 'hoping' throwing more money at it will fix it; it has been proven not to fix it.  
     
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    From Newsmax.

    The United States Steel Corporation announced plans to reopen part of an Illinois factory following President Donald Trump's decision to impose a new tariff on imported steel, The Hill reported on Wednesday.


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    From Newsmax.

    The United States Steel Corporation announced plans to reopen part of an Illinois factory following President Donald Trump's decision to impose a new tariff on imported steel, The Hill reported on Wednesday.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2018 - 5:08 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    From Newsmax.

    The United States Steel Corporation announced plans to reopen part of an Illinois factory following President Donald Trump's decision to impose a new tariff on imported steel, The Hill reported on Wednesday.




    "Michael,,, we are bigger than US Steel."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    From Newsmax.

    The United States Steel Corporation announced plans to reopen part of an Illinois factory following President Donald Trump's decision to impose a new tariff on imported steel, The Hill reported on Wednesday.




    "Michael,,, we are bigger than US Steel."
     
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    ....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-apotheosis-of-donald-j.-trump/article/2011600

    The authors - EXPOSED

    Donald J. Trump recognizes no god higher than himself. He is so completely, totally lacking in humility there is no room in his ego to support the concept of anything, man, beast, space alien or spirit superior to himself. His Federal Court appointments, including Gorsuch, are not at all based on anything religious; they are 100% business-conservative choices. The Evangelicals twisting his corrupt, immoral life into some kind of “faith journey” are the biggest fools on the planet.

     

     

    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    ....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-apotheosis-of-donald-j.-trump/article/2011600

    The authors - EXPOSED

    Donald J. Trump recognizes no god higher than himself. He is so completely, totally lacking in humility there is no room in his ego to support the concept of anything, man, beast, space alien or spirit superior to himself. His Federal Court appointments, including Gorsuch, are not at all based on anything religious; they are 100% business-conservative choices. The Evangelicals twisting his corrupt, immoral life into some kind of “faith journey” are the biggest fools on the planet.

     

     

     
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    ....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-apotheosis-of-donald-j.-trump/article/2011600

    The authors - EXPOSED

    Donald J. Trump recognizes no god higher than himself. He is so completely, totally lacking in humility there is no room in his ego to support the concept of anything, man, beast, space alien or spirit superior to himself. His Federal Court appointments, including Gorsuch, are not at all based on anything religious; they are 100% business-conservative choices. The Evangelicals twisting his corrupt, immoral life into some kind of “faith journey” are the biggest fools on the planet.

     

     

    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    ....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-apotheosis-of-donald-j.-trump/article/2011600

    The authors - EXPOSED

    Donald J. Trump recognizes no god higher than himself. He is so completely, totally lacking in humility there is no room in his ego to support the concept of anything, man, beast, space alien or spirit superior to himself. His Federal Court appointments, including Gorsuch, are not at all based on anything religious; they are 100% business-conservative choices. The Evangelicals twisting his corrupt, immoral life into some kind of “faith journey” are the biggest fools on the planet.

     

     

     
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    ....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-apotheosis-of-donald-j.-trump/article/2011600

    The authors - EXPOSED

    Donald J. Trump recognizes no god higher than himself. He is so completely, totally lacking in humility there is no room in his ego to support the concept of anything, man, beast, space alien or spirit superior to himself. His Federal Court appointments, including Gorsuch, are not at all based on anything religious; they are 100% business-conservative choices. The Evangelicals twisting his corrupt, immoral life into some kind of “faith journey” are the biggest fools on the planet.

     

     

    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    ....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-apotheosis-of-donald-j.-trump/article/2011600

    The authors - EXPOSED

    Donald J. Trump recognizes no god higher than himself. He is so completely, totally lacking in humility there is no room in his ego to support the concept of anything, man, beast, space alien or spirit superior to himself. His Federal Court appointments, including Gorsuch, are not at all based on anything religious; they are 100% business-conservative choices. The Evangelicals twisting his corrupt, immoral life into some kind of “faith journey” are the biggest fools on the planet.

     

     

     
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    Sorry about the multiple posts but sometimes there is no explaining the Covers software. 

    an_timeout

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    Sorry about the multiple posts but sometimes there is no explaining the Covers software. 

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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2018 - 9:56 PM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    ....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-apotheosis-of-donald-j.-trump/article/2011600

    The authors - EXPOSED



     "The authors - EXPOSED"..............lmao  Not by the writer of your article Erick Erickson..the same Erick Erickson who In a 2009 tweet, he called the retiring Supreme Court Justice David Souter “a goat friggin child molester.” Later that year, Erickson argued that President Obama won the Nobel Prize because of an “affirmative action quota.” ..and then after saying those things saying he was sorry apologizing all over the place...he's a real joke.

    This a person we are to rely on his opinion on a book ? 
       Erickson who was a CNN political analyst from 2010 to 2013, and he has close liberal friends from his time there, among them the acting Democratic National Committee chairwoman, Donna Brazile (“She’s an extension of family for me”), and the CNN commentator Van Jones (“I love him”).

    You need to do better than that this to discredit the authors of the book ..the link only discredits Erick Erickson..the person that said last Thanksgiving " President Trump is not perfect. He was not my choice to be President. But I am thankful for him in many ways." and that  "President Trump has made me recommit to my faith."
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    ....The Faith of Donald Trump,a Spiritual Biography..........

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-apotheosis-of-donald-j.-trump/article/2011600

    The authors - EXPOSED



     "The authors - EXPOSED"..............lmao  Not by the writer of your article Erick Erickson..the same Erick Erickson who In a 2009 tweet, he called the retiring Supreme Court Justice David Souter “a goat friggin child molester.” Later that year, Erickson argued that President Obama won the Nobel Prize because of an “affirmative action quota.” ..and then after saying those things saying he was sorry apologizing all over the place...he's a real joke.

    This a person we are to rely on his opinion on a book ? 
       Erickson who was a CNN political analyst from 2010 to 2013, and he has close liberal friends from his time there, among them the acting Democratic National Committee chairwoman, Donna Brazile (“She’s an extension of family for me”), and the CNN commentator Van Jones (“I love him”).

    You need to do better than that this to discredit the authors of the book ..the link only discredits Erick Erickson..the person that said last Thanksgiving " President Trump is not perfect. He was not my choice to be President. But I am thankful for him in many ways." and that  "President Trump has made me recommit to my faith."
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2018 - 1:22 PM ET #69

    ELON MUSK TWEET: For example, an American car going to China pays 25% import duty, but a  Chinese car coming to the US only pays 2.5%, a tenfold difference

    ELON MUSK TWEET: Also, no US auto company is allowed to own even 50% of their own factory in China, but there are five 100% China-owned EV auto companies in the US
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    ELON MUSK TWEET: For example, an American car going to China pays 25% import duty, but a  Chinese car coming to the US only pays 2.5%, a tenfold difference

    ELON MUSK TWEET: Also, no US auto company is allowed to own even 50% of their own factory in China, but there are five 100% China-owned EV auto companies in the US
     
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    ELON MUSK TWEET: I am against import duties in general, but the current rules make things very difficult. It’s like competing in an Olympic race wearing lead shoes.
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    ELON MUSK TWEET: I am against import duties in general, but the current rules make things very difficult. It’s like competing in an Olympic race wearing lead shoes.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2018 - 1:36 PM ET #71

    Wallstreet, tell me why you think we should just accept the current conditions. 

    Thank you. 

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    Wallstreet, tell me why you think we should just accept the current conditions. 

    Thank you. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2018 - 5:35 PM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Wallstreet, tell me why you think we should just accept the current conditions. Thank you.

     

    I think you are behind in the ask/answer department about 20 questions.

     

    What you said lacks sense, much like the Trump tax plan. When you borrow the mid and long term to push the short term is loser mentality...but Trump loves debt and could care less about repayment of debt or the long term costs of debt...debt are why Trump imploded two companies and blew up millions in debt when the rubber hit the road.

    Using debt to spur activity CAN work but we are floating in debt and rates are going up...its a bad bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Wallstreet, tell me why you think we should just accept the current conditions. Thank you.

     

    I think you are behind in the ask/answer department about 20 questions.

     

    What you said lacks sense, much like the Trump tax plan. When you borrow the mid and long term to push the short term is loser mentality...but Trump loves debt and could care less about repayment of debt or the long term costs of debt...debt are why Trump imploded two companies and blew up millions in debt when the rubber hit the road.

    Using debt to spur activity CAN work but we are floating in debt and rates are going up...its a bad bad idea.

     
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    Wallstreet, why do you believe this is ok? 

    ELON MUSK TWEET: For example, an American car going to China pays 25% import duty, but a  Chinese car coming to the US only pays 2.5%, a tenfold difference

    ELON MUSK TWEET: Also, no US auto company is allowed to own even 50% of their own factory in China, but there are five 100% China-owned EV auto companies in the US
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    Wallstreet, why do you believe this is ok? 

    ELON MUSK TWEET: For example, an American car going to China pays 25% import duty, but a  Chinese car coming to the US only pays 2.5%, a tenfold difference

    ELON MUSK TWEET: Also, no US auto company is allowed to own even 50% of their own factory in China, but there are five 100% China-owned EV auto companies in the US
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2018 - 6:39 PM ET #74

    Thank God Trump has the balls and someone is finally going stick up for the American people. 

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    Thank God Trump has the balls and someone is finally going stick up for the American people. 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Fallacious argumentation is sadly too common on all sides of the current political spectrum and Trumpism in general. Here are a few: 1/ “mental” mind reading— “but Trump loves debt and could care less about repayment of debt or the long term costs of debt...” How do you know his feelings/thoughts?

     

    Well if you saw the debt instruments he floated (which I did) and that he defaulted on this debt (which he did twice) then the conclusion is two times he did not care about defaulting on his debt and he had/has a history of using heavy heavy leverage and that cost him his companies multiple times. Trump has said he loves debt...use that search engine to figure it out. 

    Sheesh it is so easy taking out the trash...come at me with something stronger next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Fallacious argumentation is sadly too common on all sides of the current political spectrum and Trumpism in general. Here are a few: 1/ “mental” mind reading— “but Trump loves debt and could care less about repayment of debt or the long term costs of debt...” How do you know his feelings/thoughts?

     

    Well if you saw the debt instruments he floated (which I did) and that he defaulted on this debt (which he did twice) then the conclusion is two times he did not care about defaulting on his debt and he had/has a history of using heavy heavy leverage and that cost him his companies multiple times. Trump has said he loves debt...use that search engine to figure it out. 

    Sheesh it is so easy taking out the trash...come at me with something stronger next time!

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