Trump Tariffs

@thirdperson

 Global warming increases risk of more wildfires in US and Canada despite billions spend on fire prevention. 

How sure are you about this.  It has a major assumption.  What data do you use to back that up.  Managing forests and clearing dead brush that would be fuel is a huge factor in decreasing fires.  You can easily see this in the historical data.  Even the later years show a far lesser correlation than you are implying between temperature and fires.

2012 — 55.3°F
2013 — 53.8°F
2014 — 54.0°F
2015 — 54.4°F
2016 — 54.9°F
2017 — 54.6°F
2018 — 54.4°F
2019 — 54.8°F
2020 — 54.4°F
2021 — 54.5°F
2022 — 54.9°F
2023 — 54.8°F
2024 — 55.5°F
2025 — 54.6°F

(These are annual average temperatures for the contiguous U.S.)

Number of fires:

2012 - 12695

2013 - 12102

2014 - 13175

2015 - 14751

2016 - 14971

2017 - 15673

2018 - 12956

2019 - 14309

2020 - 13996

2021 - 14774

2022 - 16018

2023 -  9591

2024 -  8867

2025 -  8186

Even with that very small sample size, you can run a broad comparative analysis to see this:

Temperature: 

No obvious steady year-by-year upward trend.

The biggest feature is variability, not trend.

Fires:

Strong increase from 2012 to 2022

Sharp decline after 2022

No consistent relationship with temperature

Overall:

The warmest year (2024) did not have the most fire activity.

The highest fire year (2022) was not dramatically hotter than many others.

The last two years show a major decline despite temperatures remaining relatively high.

You can even say the forest management budget has steadily gone up and maybe there is more of a benefit or change in strategy, or techniques, than acknowledged:

2012 — ~$1.8 billion

2013 — ~$1.7 billion

2014 — ~$1.9 billion

2015 — ~$2.0 billion

2016 — ~$2.1 billion

2017 — ~$2.2 billion

2018 — ~$2.3 billion

2019 — ~$2.4 billion

2020 — ~$2.5 billion

2021 — ~$2.7 billion

2022 — ~$3.0 billion

2023 — ~$3.3 billion

2024 — ~$3.5 billion

2025 — ~$3.6+ billion

But as spending went up the last few years and temperatures remained high the fires did decrease.

So, while you CANNOT say that forest management decreased the number of fires you also CANNOT say that higher temperature mean more fires.

You can even make the argument that the Global Warming Scam has forced folks to spend even more and more money on this without a correlated improvement.

This is just more rhetoric to promote an agenda.

It certainly does not mean that forest management should not be done.  Because there are plenty of studies that DO show it helps in many areas around the world.

But is that where the money should be more concentrated -- perhaps.

But to lay it all at the feet of temperature is disingenuous.

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Fun fact: tariffs are another word for tax hikes. Trump hiked our taxes for six years and celebrated while we paid more for everything. There is no reasonable explanation, it’s just pure hubris and utter stupidity. His friends got rich. The end.

Tariffs are a regulation tool ! Normally you use them to alter your populations spending habits ! Deciding what they buy and from who - it is Trump that uses them wrong either intentionally or because he doesn’t know how to use them ! - you are supposed to use them sector specific and for a longer timeframe for them to have any positive effect - it is like setting the prices on MC D. Up for a week and hope that magically remove your desire of buying MC D. Going forward  

@Sidehatch

 Every Country uses Tariffs! USA has been using Tariffs for centuries! Free Trade & Currencies are what’s causing most of the problems. What countries should do is “Fair Trade” balancing import & export values between each country! When China lost the Opium Wars the White Man forced China to open up its markets so the White could flood China with Imports. Free Trade is a brainwashing term so that USA can take over Global Trade.

Historically when 2 countries traded Goods with each other they would balance out the Overall trade of goods using Gold so there can’t be Trade deficits & trade surpluses.

When China had a trade surplus with USA, China accumulated USA dollars but kept most of those dollars inside the USA by buying Bonds & Investments, that’s why China bought so much farmland & businesses in the USA! China was helping the USA then idiot Republicans accused China of sinister plans so China is no longer keeping dollars inside the USA. Now China is filling vaults with Dollars last time I checked China had over $750 Billion cash sitting in vaults. Then last year China issued bonds in the Middle East using the $750 Billion Dollars which competes with USA Bonds. There’s no way China is trying to replace the USA Dollar or hurt the US Dollar. It’s all Propoganda to blame China for USA’s Incompetence & poor economy.

It’s common for World Leaders to sit down & execute plans to blame each other for this & that so their Governments aren’t held accountable by their citizens. Russia use to do it all the time with European leaders & USA leaders until recently. USA funded & planned the Iraq vs Iran War because USA was broke after the Vietnam War, it was super bloody for the Iraq & Iranian citizens they reached a point where Iran & Iraq didn’t want to fight anymore so the leaders asked USA if they could stop, USA said no so the bloody charade continued.

Of course all countries use correctly implemented tariffs - it is to avoid your markets being overrun by products from a country with cheap labour (or fewer regulations) But global tariffs on all sectors (as Trump does) has no positive effect unless you are self sufficient within all sectors - which you of course aren’t ! Then it just raises prices you pay - countries implement tariffs in the hope of you buying another product - not in the hope of you paying tariffs

@Raiders22  "global warming and wildfires"

Link between wildfires and global warming is greater than ever.  NASA satellites reveal that worldwide wildfires have become more frequent, intense and destructive in last 21 years.  US forest service found that fire seasons are getting longer than they were 35 years ago.  National interagency fire center notes that the amount of land area burned has increased over the past 20 years as wildfires grow larger.  Unlike the US, Canadian forests are harder to manage because most wildfires occur in remote locations with no road access.  But if US buys more Canadian lumber, that could help reduce supply of trees becoming dry fuel for fires.

Russia is on the brink of collapse due to the war in Ukraine - China and US are history due to an aging population - I don’t see currencies being the problem there for any of the three ! The leader of the future world will most likely be India or Africa - with a slight possibility of it being Europe (including Canada) - talking about anyone else than those three constellations would be laughable at best 

@thirdperson

Nonsense.  This is open source data.  You can pull it up yourself.

Number of fires globally are not 'clearly increasing'.

Long-term satellite studies actually show a DECREASE in the total burned area.  Mainly due to changes in agriculture and land use.  

Even if you allow for a longer season it does not necessarily follow that it means more acres burned.  This depends on several other factors such as wind, fuel, fighting success, drought, etc.

So, look at the temperature where there is not a trend.  Look at the number of fires where there is no trend.  Then you can see no clear link between the two either.  The same is true on the number of acres burned.

So do not go from: Global warming increases risk of more wildfires in US and Canada despite billions spend on fire prevention. 

To: NASA satellites reveal that worldwide wildfires have become more frequent

To try and change the original post to something else.

The only thing you can say for sure is that MORE money is being spent to prevent fires and fight them.

Any remote forest area is hard to manage.  But it has always been that way.  IF there is no distinct trend and even sometimes lesser ares burning -- then some of the managing must be working.

Buying more Canadian lumber is a very weak argument.  This does not mean that they are clearing out the most fire-prone fuels to harvest the live trees.

Buying more lumber is an economic issue not a wildfire prevention strategy.

Yes, remove every single tree and it is hard to have a wildfire.  But that obviously creates more problems.  Not to mention, that you extreme-Leftists usually are for tree-hugging.

Because of forest management and conservation nowadays there is more forest area than before the settlers came to the continent.  Fires before would continually clear out the fuel.  That is not being allowed as much now, etc.

So, look at the data for yourself and do not just automatically believe the rhetoric coming from the Media.

@Calde13

It can be Outstanding if USA uses every Tariff dollar to invest in LEARNING HOW to build ADVANCED Manufacturing, ADVANCED Supply Chains, this includes implementation into our EDUCATION System! USA’s Economy has Structural Damage it has to be Demolished then Rebuilt!

Our Citizens need CAREERS Not Jobs only idiots want jobs only Evil Oligarchs create Jobs. USA needs to spend every Tariff Penny on the American Citizens & Industry development this also means Leaderships we cannot have dozens of Oligarchs owning & controlling Most of USA’s assets. Right Now USA’s Oligarchs Own & Control More… than at Any Time in the last 200 years.

We presented this plan to Trump Years ago & He Promised to do it. Next thing we know he’s sabotaging the Whole thing & using the Military that has crappy weapons, limited Ammo, retarded Generals, & dumb dumb Soldiers to Conquer the World.

@Raiders22

Then before the settlers? I live in California & I know what this place looked like when only Native Indians lived here but I understand what you’re trying to box in.

As I stated Before the Club of Rome started this Environmental Authoritarianism to brainwash folks so Oligarchs can implement Control! Your dealing with Multi Generational mind programming just like US Military has been doing to the Nazis in Lviv Ukraine since the 1950s.

Earth has a Serious Man Made Pollution Problem not a Man Made Global Warming Problem & as the Population increases the Forest Fires will have a greater Impact on Humanity.

Forest Fires limit plant & trees disease. The fires spread Macro & Micro Nutrients, the Ash lands everywhere creating healthy soil the plants eat the soil, the animals eat the plants, then humans eat the plants & animals. The fires create land slides, rivers, & streams which transport Nutrients into the Ocean where fish, crabs, etc… = Healthy Oceans.

Humans & Animals need Healthy food if the food is lacking nutrients the animals & humans become vulnerable to disease. Healthcare represents 25% of the USA economy, we work to put band aids on our bodies! And USA or the West doesn’t CURE Disease if we did we’d have less Oligarchs & Happy People! The West Treats Disease!

@FresnoHawk68

 Sure, the more folks there are and the nearer they are to the fire-prone areas the more the folks are affected.

Just as more folks that live in hurricane-prone areas are affected more by hurricanes which are also not increasing.

Certainly there are some good that comes from the fires.  But does it mean that you do not manage it or let them spread and burn folk's homes.  Of course not.

But that is not the point that they are trying to make.  They are trying to stir up agitation to promote a money grab that promotes their scam.  This is just another avenue they use to do that.  No data is needed for them to do it.  They just take an extreme example and extrapolate the rest and run with it.

Not really CoR promoting this for population control.  There have been environmentalist movements for since way before them.  

But without solid evidence it is hard to support a radical claim that are attempting 'to control' folks.  Many different groups from many disciplines have come up with various environmental policies.  

I would contend it is other extremists.  For example, when they want to ban certain technologies instead of improving them or over-regulate things instead of being open to market solutions.

But for sure, all environmentalists are not extreme.  We should all want a good clean earth that is not contaminated.  But when money is involved with and agenda -- the extremists can easily get the upper hand on how the narrative is driven.  But you have to have evidence of intent and coordination to make the leap  about 'control' as opposed to simply disagreeing with policies.

Etc., etc. 

@Raiders22

President George Bush Sr. Was asked about Global Warming when he was POTUS!

The 1992 Earth Summit: During the UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, Bush famously declared that the "American way of life is non-negotiable". He firmly believed that economic growth was the best tool for environmental protection, fundamentally clashing with the Club of Rome's calls to restrict industrial and economic expansion. [1, 2]

Notable honorary members include Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Orio Giarini, Jean-Pascal van Ypersele, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, Mikhail Gorbachev, King Juan Carlos I of Spain, Horst Köhler, and Manmohan Singh.

Yep that scam been in the works since before him too.  
It was just the next step when the last one did not pan out. 

Again the Club of Rome was established in the 1960s to Control our Environment & Man Kind! It’s just 1 of the many Operations in play today, Oil, Crypto Currency was created to Control Humanity & back the Dollar, Enterprise Software, etc.. They force Academic Scientist to publish Junk Science!

The Green New Deal was born out of the Club of Rome! All you have to do is connect the People who Backed the Club of Rome today they use the 100 Members as front People just like the USA’s Larry Ellison is the front person for Oracle! Larry Ellison developed the Oracle Program at the CIA then stole the tech from the American People then created Oracle Corporation! Facebook is the USA Govs Life Log program.

The CIA created the Term “Conspiracy Theorist” then attached Negativity to it to label the Journalists who didn’t buy the official Gov Narrative for the JFK Assassination.

Not only is the Climate Change Operation supported by Corrupt Scientists but the Liberal NGOs used after school programs to indoctrinate USA kids with Socialism & Climate Change.

The CIA created the “Flat Earth Operation” spent large amounts of $ to launch that Operation on Vulnerable American People.

Yes we absolutely need to manage our Forest its Common Sense but your dealing with People who’re vulnerable to Mass Mind Programming, you can’t reason with them.

This site has a lot of Trump Derangement Syndrome & it doesn’t help when Trump has gone nuts.

@Raiders22  "global warming scam?"

No proof of conspiracy by climate scientists to defraud the world.  However oil industry spend millions on lobbying to deny the truth and delay government actions on reducing carbon emissions.  Similar to tobacco industry efforts to protect profits.  Worldwide, forest fires are getting worse.  Burning twice as much tree cover today than they did 20 years ago.   4 of 5 worst years for global forest fires occurred since 2020 according to University of Maryland study.   

@thirdperson

 So, now you are going to change it from USA and Canada to Global.  Then you are going to change it from total fires or acres burnt to tree cover burnt.

The source you are 'quoting' very loosely does not imply that there are twice as many fires or twice as many acres burned.  This is about tree cover.

So, no matter how you change the topic and jump from topic to topic -- your original post is nonsense and the data proves it.

So, you cannot use one dataset to overgeneralize it into a broader claim to get away from the original point being incorrect.

@thirdperson

 First of all Club of Rome Pushed the ICE Age Hoax in the 50s & 60s, then they forced MANY but NOT ALL Climate Scientists to back Global Warming Hoax, then one of the Top Climate Scientists on Earth located in Mexico proved we are entering a Mini Ice Age (= it’s just a term used by the Scientist we’re not going to freeze) but temps will drop, then NASA backed the Mini Ice Age projection because of the down turn of Sun Spots on the Sun. Then Liberals changed the Global Warming programming to Climate Change! And to cover their tracks the Scientists show case Pollution Damage by Humans to justify anything yapping out of their mouths!

Sharps like myself were able to get ahead of things by studying Historical records so we can project what things are going to be like for Farming in various areas thus creating an Edge for Investment decisions! While Libtards whined about the droughts I knew when it was going to end & have projections into the next decade so I know what to do & what not to do.

@thirdperson The Oil Industry has a Massive Problem on their hands that could result in USA’s greatest Pollution Disaster! There’s a documentary about it.

The Old Oil Wells are leaking all over the World including in the USA = Ground Water Pollution & land Pollution. Oil deposits are often near Fresh Water Deposits when you empty oil caverns & refill with waste water not only is the Waste Water Cause pollution but under they clay sits radioactive metals which…

Don’t buy a House in Texas!

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Yahoo news report that 25 states are suing Trump administration over new tariffs on 60 countries based on bogus claims of forced labor.  After losing at supreme court, he is trying again to impose illegal taxes on American families.  But US constitution gives power of the purse to congress.  Not presidents.

Section 301 

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