To think, all this madness happening was caused by this... “I made her come down here, it’s my fault,” Goods wife said. Some people have no critical thinking abilities. We should bring back common sense in this Country. To think, if this wife would have truly been supportive and wanted to make change, she could have went about this completely different and her wife would still be there and the world would know her for her contributions and not idiotiotc thinking. Why are people celebrating this women and donating money to her? It's truly unbelievable what's happening right now.
You have to look at the type of people that are "celebrating" her. These people didn't mourn the deaths of Jocelyn Nungary or any other person whose demise was a result of an illegal. No protests, no riots for them.......nope, but in this instance they found their martyr.
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To think, all this madness happening was caused by this... “I made her come down here, it’s my fault,” Goods wife said. Some people have no critical thinking abilities. We should bring back common sense in this Country. To think, if this wife would have truly been supportive and wanted to make change, she could have went about this completely different and her wife would still be there and the world would know her for her contributions and not idiotiotc thinking. Why are people celebrating this women and donating money to her? It's truly unbelievable what's happening right now.
You have to look at the type of people that are "celebrating" her. These people didn't mourn the deaths of Jocelyn Nungary or any other person whose demise was a result of an illegal. No protests, no riots for them.......nope, but in this instance they found their martyr.
@BigGame90 I dont care if the wife was filming, maybe they felt the need to have evidence if these untrained warriors did something out of line, WHICH THEY DID and her filming seems pretty on point and telling about how citizens feel regarding this show of abuse from Trump and his organization. Ive seen plenty of cars as a weapon videos and I do not recall shooting being done to the car unless the car is SHOOTING AT THEM. Ive seen tire spikes Ive seen bump procedures Ive seen box in procedures, Ive seen slow mo chases and tailings Ive seen many things and very very very rarely shootings, the shootings are when the officers or people are being shot at and never otherwise. More and more people are filming things because citizens in the US are feeling abused from authority and the view that Trump has no regard for the common citizen and especially for non-white folk is going to make things much worse as it continues.
And here in lies the problem. You only care about after the fact. You don't give a shit that these 2 idiots put themselves in a situation that 99.99999999999% of us have never put ourselves in. These 2 are truly idiots. She didn't feel the need to have evidence if untrained yadda yadda yadda. She was filing because she is an opportunist and wanted 15 minutes of fame and she put her wife in that situation FOR THE VIDEO. She got her wife killed over it. Period. The wife went down there to cause trouble. Period. She admitted to it. Period.
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@BigGame90 I dont care if the wife was filming, maybe they felt the need to have evidence if these untrained warriors did something out of line, WHICH THEY DID and her filming seems pretty on point and telling about how citizens feel regarding this show of abuse from Trump and his organization. Ive seen plenty of cars as a weapon videos and I do not recall shooting being done to the car unless the car is SHOOTING AT THEM. Ive seen tire spikes Ive seen bump procedures Ive seen box in procedures, Ive seen slow mo chases and tailings Ive seen many things and very very very rarely shootings, the shootings are when the officers or people are being shot at and never otherwise. More and more people are filming things because citizens in the US are feeling abused from authority and the view that Trump has no regard for the common citizen and especially for non-white folk is going to make things much worse as it continues.
And here in lies the problem. You only care about after the fact. You don't give a shit that these 2 idiots put themselves in a situation that 99.99999999999% of us have never put ourselves in. These 2 are truly idiots. She didn't feel the need to have evidence if untrained yadda yadda yadda. She was filing because she is an opportunist and wanted 15 minutes of fame and she put her wife in that situation FOR THE VIDEO. She got her wife killed over it. Period. The wife went down there to cause trouble. Period. She admitted to it. Period.
@cd329 He's not doing anything different than the previous administrations. You just only know and see it because your leaders are pushing this in your face. You just might not be able to see it for yourself because you only want to hate Trump and you left people steer your views. Baaahhhaaahhhaaa
As an outsider your side actually confuse me with this - for a year now you guys have said nothing apart from Biden not doing anything about immigrants - now he has done exactly the same as Trump is doing but we just wasn’t aware - sorry to say but those two statements kind of contradict each other - so which one is it ?
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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@cd329 He's not doing anything different than the previous administrations. You just only know and see it because your leaders are pushing this in your face. You just might not be able to see it for yourself because you only want to hate Trump and you left people steer your views. Baaahhhaaahhhaaa
As an outsider your side actually confuse me with this - for a year now you guys have said nothing apart from Biden not doing anything about immigrants - now he has done exactly the same as Trump is doing but we just wasn’t aware - sorry to say but those two statements kind of contradict each other - so which one is it ?
Ive seen plenty of cars as a weapon videos and I do not recall shooting being done to the car unless the car is SHOOTING AT THEM No one that states that can be taken seriously. AI will list you at least 10 quick examples of it happening in the last year or so, in case someone just cannot remember any of them in detail.
It will always boil down to this:
Liberals have feelings and emotion. Conservatives have: logic, history, perspective, science, reason, facts, math, principles, ethics, values, dialogue & common sense.
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@UNIMAN
Ive seen plenty of cars as a weapon videos and I do not recall shooting being done to the car unless the car is SHOOTING AT THEM No one that states that can be taken seriously. AI will list you at least 10 quick examples of it happening in the last year or so, in case someone just cannot remember any of them in detail.
It will always boil down to this:
Liberals have feelings and emotion. Conservatives have: logic, history, perspective, science, reason, facts, math, principles, ethics, values, dialogue & common sense.
It doesnt matter if your entire thesis is 100% correct, it does not matter that two people acted out for whatever their reasons were, that is not the measure of expectation of behavior for people in this position. You could be totally right and still your conclusion is totally wrong. There is no reason you shoot someone given all the scenarios we have and all the fake ones I made up.
Nobody is cheering for the loss of life either, that is so absurd and obtuse it just shows how partisan this society is. People are angry and shocked and are protesting as they should. An armed individual especially one which is forcing their jaded agenda on the general public has to be held to a HIGHER, the HIGHEST standard possible.
There is no excuse or rationalization.
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@BigGame90
It doesnt matter if your entire thesis is 100% correct, it does not matter that two people acted out for whatever their reasons were, that is not the measure of expectation of behavior for people in this position. You could be totally right and still your conclusion is totally wrong. There is no reason you shoot someone given all the scenarios we have and all the fake ones I made up.
Nobody is cheering for the loss of life either, that is so absurd and obtuse it just shows how partisan this society is. People are angry and shocked and are protesting as they should. An armed individual especially one which is forcing their jaded agenda on the general public has to be held to a HIGHER, the HIGHEST standard possible.
I have not seen this and my agenda is to protect the rights of the common citizen. I would say the same if the party affiliation was opposite but you obviously based on your usual replies did not and would not.
I have not addressed the party or beliefs of this citizen at ALL...the only thing I did was exaggerate the absurd narrative to be even more absurd for a point. Where you and most on your partisan side as per usual in this thread are all about the party. I am about the conduct and loss of life not that this was a female who had a female partner or had a liberal agenda or whatever other horse crap you guys want to sling. I am about the pattern of behavior and the disgusting way your group actually tries to lawyer ball and make what happened as legal and thus legitimate and reasonable. THAT is the point, stuff the partisan tripe somewhere else, I have no interest in your partisan biases.
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@Raiders22
I have not seen this and my agenda is to protect the rights of the common citizen. I would say the same if the party affiliation was opposite but you obviously based on your usual replies did not and would not.
I have not addressed the party or beliefs of this citizen at ALL...the only thing I did was exaggerate the absurd narrative to be even more absurd for a point. Where you and most on your partisan side as per usual in this thread are all about the party. I am about the conduct and loss of life not that this was a female who had a female partner or had a liberal agenda or whatever other horse crap you guys want to sling. I am about the pattern of behavior and the disgusting way your group actually tries to lawyer ball and make what happened as legal and thus legitimate and reasonable. THAT is the point, stuff the partisan tripe somewhere else, I have no interest in your partisan biases.
Disturbing pattern of ICE agents claiming self defense and weaponized cars even when evidence contradicts claim. ICE agents are subject to same standard for use of force as local police. They are not supposed to shoot moving car or prevent escape of suspect because of the risk of stray bullets. Also gun should be last resort under reasonable belief of serious threat. But no evidence shows Minneapolis victim poses such a threat.
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Disturbing pattern of ICE agents claiming self defense and weaponized cars even when evidence contradicts claim. ICE agents are subject to same standard for use of force as local police. They are not supposed to shoot moving car or prevent escape of suspect because of the risk of stray bullets. Also gun should be last resort under reasonable belief of serious threat. But no evidence shows Minneapolis victim poses such a threat.
According to Forbes, claim of ICE agent "internal bleeding" is under scrutiny. Skeptics point out quick release from hospital is reason for not believing claim. No medical official released information about his condition. Also he walked away after shooting incident and video evidence raised doubts about him being run over by car.
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According to Forbes, claim of ICE agent "internal bleeding" is under scrutiny. Skeptics point out quick release from hospital is reason for not believing claim. No medical official released information about his condition. Also he walked away after shooting incident and video evidence raised doubts about him being run over by car.
The far left has been playing the game in which Good is peaceful, non-threatening, and initially a legal observer, while protest language framed the encounter as unnecessary force.
Well, guess what? Internal bleeding erases that narrative; a human body records violence more honestly than slogans.
Medical evidence carries weight because biology doesn't participate in politics: CT scans reveal trauma regardless of ideology. Blood loss follows physics, not opinion.
Simply getting hit is fine enough evidence. Even accelerating toward someone is fine evidence.
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The far left has been playing the game in which Good is peaceful, non-threatening, and initially a legal observer, while protest language framed the encounter as unnecessary force.
Well, guess what? Internal bleeding erases that narrative; a human body records violence more honestly than slogans.
Medical evidence carries weight because biology doesn't participate in politics: CT scans reveal trauma regardless of ideology. Blood loss follows physics, not opinion.
Simply getting hit is fine enough evidence. Even accelerating toward someone is fine evidence.
Have you ever been hit by a car ? You don’t die - you are hardly hurt if it hits you at 2 miles an hour - give me 100 bucks and I will stand infront of a parked car and you can hit me directly with the highest speed you can get that sucker to accelerate to !
and there are two ways people can react in dangerous situations - and ONLY two - you can fight or you can run (you can forget that comply bullshit - because these people beat you up for no reason whatsoever) !! Therefore you don’t plant your fat ass infront of a car if you are putting someone in a dangerous situation - if these guys had received any kind of training they would know that
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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Have you ever been hit by a car ? You don’t die - you are hardly hurt if it hits you at 2 miles an hour - give me 100 bucks and I will stand infront of a parked car and you can hit me directly with the highest speed you can get that sucker to accelerate to !
and there are two ways people can react in dangerous situations - and ONLY two - you can fight or you can run (you can forget that comply bullshit - because these people beat you up for no reason whatsoever) !! Therefore you don’t plant your fat ass infront of a car if you are putting someone in a dangerous situation - if these guys had received any kind of training they would know that
Have you ever been hit by a car ? You don’t die - you are hardly hurt if it hits you at 2 miles an hour - give me 100 bucks and I will stand infront of a parked car and you can hit me directly with the highest speed you can get that sucker to accelerate to ! and there are two ways people can react in dangerous situations - and ONLY two - you can fight or you can run (you can forget that comply bullshit - because these people beat you up for no reason whatsoever) !! Therefore you don’t plant your fat ass infront of a car if you are putting someone in a dangerous situation - if these guys had received any kind of training they would know that
Stupid logic. You can be dragged, run over by tire, crack your head open hitting the pavement, etc.
The officers decided enough was enough. They were going to arrest her for obstruction. One told her to get out, another stood in front of the vehicle. She put the vehicle in reverse and then drive. Bad choice.
Could it have gone down better? Oh yeah. Playing arm-chair quarterback the officers could have used their vehicles to pin her vehicle in but that didn't happen. It is a sad lose of life. So stupid.
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Have you ever been hit by a car ? You don’t die - you are hardly hurt if it hits you at 2 miles an hour - give me 100 bucks and I will stand infront of a parked car and you can hit me directly with the highest speed you can get that sucker to accelerate to ! and there are two ways people can react in dangerous situations - and ONLY two - you can fight or you can run (you can forget that comply bullshit - because these people beat you up for no reason whatsoever) !! Therefore you don’t plant your fat ass infront of a car if you are putting someone in a dangerous situation - if these guys had received any kind of training they would know that
Stupid logic. You can be dragged, run over by tire, crack your head open hitting the pavement, etc.
The officers decided enough was enough. They were going to arrest her for obstruction. One told her to get out, another stood in front of the vehicle. She put the vehicle in reverse and then drive. Bad choice.
Could it have gone down better? Oh yeah. Playing arm-chair quarterback the officers could have used their vehicles to pin her vehicle in but that didn't happen. It is a sad lose of life. So stupid.
To de-escalate tensions, federal judge orders ICE agents to stop retaliating against peaceful protesters and legal observers in Minneapolis.
I agree with the judge's ruling. Just common sense.
The ruling prohibits officers from retaliating against anyone peacefully protesting or observing the actions of immigration officers, adding that federal agents must show probable cause or reasonable suspicion that someone has committed a crime or is interfering with law enforcement operations.
"We remind the public that rioting is dangerous—obstructing law enforcement is a federal crime and assaulting law enforcement is a FELONY, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said "Rioters and terrorists have assaulted law enforcement, launched fireworks at them, slashed the tires of their vehicles, and vandalized federal property. Others have chosen to ignore commands and have attempted to impede law enforcement operations and used their vehicles as weapons against our officers."
The question is Do protesters know the difference?
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To de-escalate tensions, federal judge orders ICE agents to stop retaliating against peaceful protesters and legal observers in Minneapolis.
I agree with the judge's ruling. Just common sense.
The ruling prohibits officers from retaliating against anyone peacefully protesting or observing the actions of immigration officers, adding that federal agents must show probable cause or reasonable suspicion that someone has committed a crime or is interfering with law enforcement operations.
"We remind the public that rioting is dangerous—obstructing law enforcement is a federal crime and assaulting law enforcement is a FELONY, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said "Rioters and terrorists have assaulted law enforcement, launched fireworks at them, slashed the tires of their vehicles, and vandalized federal property. Others have chosen to ignore commands and have attempted to impede law enforcement operations and used their vehicles as weapons against our officers."
The question is Do protesters know the difference?
To de-escalate tensions, federal judge orders ICE agents to stop retaliating against peaceful protesters and legal observers in Minneapolis.
According to US constitution, not illegal to protest, follow, film or insult law enforcement officers. Instead of de-escalating tensions, Trump administration doubles down on threat to repress dissent which is typical in authoritarian regimes. Polls show most Americans disapprove of current ICE.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
To de-escalate tensions, federal judge orders ICE agents to stop retaliating against peaceful protesters and legal observers in Minneapolis.
According to US constitution, not illegal to protest, follow, film or insult law enforcement officers. Instead of de-escalating tensions, Trump administration doubles down on threat to repress dissent which is typical in authoritarian regimes. Polls show most Americans disapprove of current ICE.
The following is very simple. Renee Good would be able to make love to her female husband tonight if she did not weaponize her car trying to kill an ICE agent! Also. Say Ashli Babbitt when you hear the name Renee Good!
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The following is very simple. Renee Good would be able to make love to her female husband tonight if she did not weaponize her car trying to kill an ICE agent! Also. Say Ashli Babbitt when you hear the name Renee Good!
Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: Have you ever been hit by a car ? You don’t die - you are hardly hurt if it hits you at 2 miles an hour - give me 100 bucks and I will stand infront of a parked car and you can hit me directly with the highest speed you can get that sucker to accelerate to ! and there are two ways people can react in dangerous situations - and ONLY two - you can fight or you can run (you can forget that comply bullshit - because these people beat you up for no reason whatsoever) !! Therefore you don’t plant your fat ass infront of a car if you are putting someone in a dangerous situation - if these guys had received any kind of training they would know that Stupid logic. You can be dragged, run over by tire, crack your head open hitting the pavement, etc. The officers decided enough was enough. They were going to arrest her for obstruction. One told her to get out, another stood in front of the vehicle. She put the vehicle in reverse and then drive. Bad choice. Could it have gone down better? Oh yeah. Playing arm-chair quarterback the officers could have used their vehicles to pin her vehicle in but that didn't happen. It is a sad lose of life. So stupid.
If that makes you sleep better at night - but he was never in danger - like no danger at all - even though it is literally his part of his job to put himself in dangerous situations all day (and de-escalate them - but the stuff you list are bullshit - none of that would happen versus a car going 2 miles an hour if you did any kind of effort to just walk past it or in worst case slide over the front of the car !!
Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: Have you ever been hit by a car ? You don’t die - you are hardly hurt if it hits you at 2 miles an hour - give me 100 bucks and I will stand infront of a parked car and you can hit me directly with the highest speed you can get that sucker to accelerate to ! and there are two ways people can react in dangerous situations - and ONLY two - you can fight or you can run (you can forget that comply bullshit - because these people beat you up for no reason whatsoever) !! Therefore you don’t plant your fat ass infront of a car if you are putting someone in a dangerous situation - if these guys had received any kind of training they would know that Stupid logic. You can be dragged, run over by tire, crack your head open hitting the pavement, etc. The officers decided enough was enough. They were going to arrest her for obstruction. One told her to get out, another stood in front of the vehicle. She put the vehicle in reverse and then drive. Bad choice. Could it have gone down better? Oh yeah. Playing arm-chair quarterback the officers could have used their vehicles to pin her vehicle in but that didn't happen. It is a sad lose of life. So stupid.
If that makes you sleep better at night - but he was never in danger - like no danger at all - even though it is literally his part of his job to put himself in dangerous situations all day (and de-escalate them - but the stuff you list are bullshit - none of that would happen versus a car going 2 miles an hour if you did any kind of effort to just walk past it or in worst case slide over the front of the car !!
I agree with the judge's ruling. Just common sense.
The ruling prohibits officers from retaliating against anyone peacefully protesting or observing the actions of immigration officers
Has this even been happening at all? I have only seen the ones where they were not peacefully protesting, but were interfering or throwing things at them or getting in their way intentionally, etc.
So, was a 'ruling' even needed. If anything it looks as anticipatory and shows a bias against law enforcement.
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@UNIMAN
I agree with the judge's ruling. Just common sense.
The ruling prohibits officers from retaliating against anyone peacefully protesting or observing the actions of immigration officers
Has this even been happening at all? I have only seen the ones where they were not peacefully protesting, but were interfering or throwing things at them or getting in their way intentionally, etc.
So, was a 'ruling' even needed. If anything it looks as anticipatory and shows a bias against law enforcement.
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