Malace Madness in Minneapolis

According to law, it's illegal to interfere with LE doing their duty. Polls show Americans agree with the admins. efforts to deport illegals.

@Raiders22

 Your lawyering comments have no relevance to the actions he took. Have we seen rioting less confrontational, sure we have and we have seen protest which is much more confrontational and that is not the point.

The citizen who was either protesting or rioting based on your partisan take reacted based on the actions of the agents, that reaction was not deserving of being killed. So she reverse and for whatever reason felt in danger of harm and we see that often people react to fear and those reactions can seem extreme an shocking in the same manner that the ACTIONS seemed shocking to the citizen. 

At that point of action/reaction there is no risk of loss of life there is risk of being detained of being knocked over from her reaction, but there was zero risk of loss of life and that is the measure and the only measure to which an individual which is to uphold the law, protect society and follow reasonable, safe and restrained actions would conduct themselves. Was she pointing a weapon at the guy and threatening to shoot at point blank range? THAT is the only way the use of deadly point blank weapon would be reasonable. This is not two gang members having a shoot out this is an obviously under trained individual who has not been properly prepared and knows the boundaries of public interaction who should never have been there if that is the action he decided to take EVEN under stress and concern that he might be dragged from her car. That is the time you release yourself from the situation and follow protocol to detain the citizen, not SHOOT HER.

Members of society who are hired and allegedly trained to perform a task of high risk and stress should be held to the HIGHEST standard, the most scrutiny and expectation as they hold the power the weapons and control and are there to uphold the law and protect the rights of legal citizens, not react shoot someone and take her life.

Anyone who has to lean on someones sexuality or political affiliation to justify the death and abuse of force is seriously messed up and it is just flat out disgusting to see posts here validating and minimizing someone because they have a same sex partner or that they are liberal or conservative or are of a skin color or that they are not legal citizens and thus their loss of life or harm is somehow allowed and they are of lesser value than someone else...like YOU the posters who are making the awful comments to elevate your political position.

@THEMUGG

 Post 51

That means an illegal act even in your scenario equals a fine and possible jail term, not death. This is a loss of life we are speaking about not someone allegedly breaking the law even in the loosest of terms as you are trying to smear here.

@wallstreetcappers

 Your lawyering comments have no relevance to the actions he took.

Huh? No idea what you are talking about here.

If you are referring to the lady that got shot.  Sure, many, many precedents like this have been set and upheld.

You simply cannot use a weapon on law enforcement and not expect to be shot.  

So, I am not clear where you think the problem is.  

So she reverse and for whatever reason felt in danger of harm and we see that often people react to fear and those reactions can seem extreme an shocking in the same manner that the ACTIONS seemed shocking to the citizen. 

Don't stop with her reversing.  What did she do next?  She accelerated toward folks she clearly knew were there.

Yes, we have seen people do this before -- and not out of 'feeling in danger of harm' -- BUT with clear intent to run away INCLUDING run over someone.

She was NOT afraid; she wanted to leave after being told to get out of the car.

If you are saying she did not know there were guys all around her car and even many protestors around she could have hit.

Then that is still on here.

@wallstreetcappers

 Members of society who are hired and allegedly trained to perform a task of high risk and stress should be held to the HIGHEST standard, the most scrutiny and expectation as they hold the power the weapons and control and are there to uphold the law and protect the rights of legal citizens, not react shoot someone and take her life.

Yes, they did an excellent job of putting up with her nonsense all day.

They did a great job of surrounding her car and then elling it out as you are taught to do so you are not I a crossfire situation.  Then they demanded she get out of her car.

Then the guy did a very well-trained and draw and fire in a very quick thinking manner.  A lot of people that are not well-trained would have froze and got run over and maybe even killed

@wallstreetcappers

 Anyone who has to lean on someones sexuality or political affiliation to justify

This is nonsense and totally unnnecesary to say when addressing me.

I do not care about her sexuality or political affiliation and have never mentioned it.

@wallstreetcappers 

 Anyone who has to lean on someones sexuality or political affiliation to justify the death and abuse of force

No one has done that.  Most times you do not even know their political affiliation.  In this case it was obvious.  But that is not why everyone is attacking what she did.

This is just the way you want to position the argument.

I have no problem with a straight male getting arrested for disrupting a law procedure.  If a straight male attacks an agent, he is apt to get shot.

Every day we see this happen and it is almost always straight males proving it day in and day out.

This guy is correct, in part when he says this:

"Is the argument that having ICE agents in your community is more dangerous than letting sex offenders roam the streets? Because that is, in fact, insane."

These folks simply do not want anything Trump is attempting to do to work.

They never had an issue when Obama was doing it, at even larger numbers and in the same way(s).

It is just the wackos that drive the agenda on the Left and stir them up and the Media that rile these folks up.

They simply were not aware of it going on before or did not care.  

Now, all of sudden, they do.

  wsc 

@Raiders22

 They do what they're told.....

@THEMUGG

Or paid to do. 

@Raiders22

 Read this thread and this forum and your comments do exactly as I described. Some of your cohorts here use sexual preference, political grouping as a normal regular target to validate their views and that is disgusting. Your post in #30 served what purpose exactly?

I have a friend who works for a massive county sheriffs department for the last twenty years and is a current functioning sheriff who has to deal with hot situations, illegals, liberals. He has gone to dozens of training seminars and is a conduit for his department to attend training seminars and then train his department after attending yearly trainings. We had a conversation today about this topic and his conclusions are almost a mirror image of mine as stated here. Not that it matters but he is ultra conservative and a straight line GOP voter and yet we discuss things and he is not partisan with regards to the way officers interact and perform their job functions. He said he has seen multiple videos and having dealt with these exact types of situations his opinion is that the people involved did not follow training protocols and were not properly handling the situation. He said he would not approach the front of the vehicle if the driver was STILL controlling the vehicle, that it is not proper training to step in front of a moving vehicle then try and claim self defense. He said bottom line that there is NO chance for a positive outcome shooting at a moving vehicle even if the officer felt at risk versus moving completely out of the way and following protocol to contain the situation properly. His view was that these guys showed a total lack of training and a lack of internal controls that if someone did this in the department he worked there would be a HIGH chance that the officer would be prosecuted and serve jail time for taking those actions.

@wallstreetcappers

 Read this thread and this forum and your comments do exactly as I described. Some of your cohorts here use sexual preference, political grouping as a normal regular target to validate their views and that is disgusting.

I didn’t. 
Who did?

@wallstreetcappers

 Your post in #30 served what purpose exactly?

To point out that it was ridiculous to make a claim that is obviously not true toattempt to make a point. 

@wallstreetcappers

 He said he would not approach the front of the vehicle if the driver was STILL controlling the vehicle

Why not?  What would he be worried about?

Obviously that was not the plan.  As they were elling up the vehicle she put it in reverse and turned the car when she went to go forward toward the guy.  
He was not placing himself in front of it.  He was clearly maneuvered from one side to the front and almost to the other side by her actions in the vehicle. 

Because a vehicle moves two directions backwards or forwards - should we explain how a car works now ? You can never get hit by a car if the sidedoors of the car is directly in front of you and you keep moving your body so that is always the case  - it would be equivalent of us discussing if it would be advantageous to stand next to a gun rather than in front of it — as a soldier or police officer or whatever you are taught how to take the most safe precautions in every situation - like wtf are we even discussing at this point 

Unprofessional for ICE agents to walk in front of car or to shoot at moving car.  They are not supposed to put themselves or other people in danger according to basic training for police.  Politifact confirms that new ICE recruits now receive 1.5 months instead of traditional 5 months of training.  Trump hardline approach shows that illegal immigration problem can never be solved by enforcement alone.  Surge of ICE agents generate enormous economic, political and social disruptions.  Future administrations should work on immigration reforms such as legal pathways for workers, long time residents and their children.

Really Obama was sending masked agents into republican cities? He turned ICE into his own good squad to terrorize republican cities?  Every President tries to get the worst criminals immigrants off the street, but if you want to compare other presidents tactics to trumps, then am sorry but you are some sick people that will bow down to everything trump does, cause you all have the exact same disgusting traits as trump.

I await the proof of obama sending in ice agents, national guard into republican cities and taking them over. Also show me where democrat Presidents cut off money to republican cities.  Show me where democrat presidents didnt help republican states that had national disasters, like all those republican state hurricanes, that democrat states pay for, so that all these maga hillbillies can keep rebuilding in the same spots. My insurance would be very low, if i didnt have to pay for all the republican state problems.  So really take your bullshit to some maga website where you can all sit around yanking each other others chain all day, while talking about how trump is the greatest human specimen every created

Obama never had cities say get the fuck out, we will not cooperate with you, you are on your own, don't bother calling 911 if our citizens attack your LE. Never did low lifes try to find agents identities and famlies to threaten to kill them. Then they use the masks as another escalation of violence. And ya wonder why they where masks, ha!

Obama era ICE would contact local LE and both would work together to quickly apprehend those listed. 

So here you have Governors, mayors, etc saying " not here you don't, we don't recognize your law now under Trump." THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE YOU GO. Nip this shit in the bud. 

Speaking of states rebuilding how's that fast-track rebuilding in California going after the wildfires ( preventable) last year? Insurance companies are leaving because of mismanagement.

Obama mass deportation didn't cause major protests in contrast to Trump ICE.  Obama followed proper procedures without prejudice.  He didn't make a show of dehumanizing people while ignoring due process.   To maintain law and order, he realized there must be amnesty for some immigrants such as long time residents and their children.  Democrats aren't against deporting illegal immigrants.  They are against inhumane ICE tactics.  Under Trump, ICE agents use aggressive gestapo tactics to terrorize communities.  Kidnapping people everywhere.  Illegal detentions.  Deporting people to countries where they could be tortured.  Killing people.  None of these are in US best interests.  Polls show most Americans feel ICE has made cities less safe.

You will never explain that to a maga, cause they have the same awful traits as trump, who is their true God.

Just look at the poster here, the one who has self confessed that he posts lies on here just to start trouble. Thats exactly what trump does in life.

When Obama was President, democrat states didnt want them out, because those ICE agents did their jobs like they are supposed to. They didnt come into the cities like trumps masking wearing goon squad tearing the cities apart. They will never accept that the way ice agents under trump and obama are completely different.

Funny how that self confessed troublemaker poster didnt address, the question i asked.  Did obama send ice agents to republican states to take them over like trump has done? These magas on this site are classless and everybody should just stop responding to anything they say.

@thirdperson

More nonsense.  Nothing changed in procedures between the deporter-in-chief and Trump. 

Even a random AI search will finally have to admit this:

You’re right — at the procedural level, enforcement authority and ICE’s legal powers did not change between Obama and Trump. ICE could still arrest any undocumented immigrant under both administrations, and there was no new law, rule, or procedure that altered how arrests were carried out.

Yes — a lot of the public perception about Obama “protecting non-criminal undocumented immigrants” came more from media coverage and political framing than from any actual change in ICE’s procedures or legal authority.

• Obama’s guidance did emphasize prioritizing criminals first, but ICE still had full authority to arrest anyone.

• Media and political messaging often highlighted programs like DACA or the prioritization memos, which created the impression that ICE was actively refusing to arrest non-criminals — even though, legally, nothing prevented it.

• Under Trump, coverage emphasized “aggressive enforcement,” which made the differences seem bigger than they actually were at the procedural level.

So yes, in large part, public perception about differences in enforcement was shaped more by how Democrats, media outlets, and advocacy groups framed the policies than by any actual change in ICE’s legal powers or day-to-day enforcement.

I am not interested in your arm chair partisan commentary, you have no standing to challenge what my friend who is an armed officer with twenty years of service and multiple examples of similar circumstances and WITH extensive training. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and no background or experience at this where he does. 

My friend who has been actually trained for these situations and many more and is responsible for attending and repeating trainings for his sheriffs office in the county he works made these comments based on protocol and experience after viewing what is out there and knowing what he has been trained for. not what your online partisan sources tell you. His views mirror mine but I had no reason to expect they would, he is much more conservative and protective of his line of work than I am, he is well respected and experienced in this field where I am not. So the fact that his views are the same as mine was interesting but the good thing about this guy is he can have a perspective and yet discuss other perspectives and be civil and not a condescending partisan twit if he does not agree and we can have conversation even if we share opposite views.

@wallstreetcappers

 I am not interested in your arm chair partisan commentary, you have no standing to challenge what my friend who is an armed officer with twenty years of service and multiple examples of similar circumstances and WITH extensive training. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and no background or experience at this where he does. 

I am not challenging it.  I am simply pointing out we all get trained this way and it is common sense.

Those ICE agents are not tearing cities apart, the residents and those sent in are. 

The whole problem was Trump in 2016 talking about and trying to build a wall. So the whole kneejerk Left reaction was to open the border, fly them across country, encourge mass illegal immigration. Entrench them across the country. Try to do to Texas what happened in California, flip it blue. I feel sorry for those people as they were used. This open border didn't happen with Obama or Clinton. Ask yourself why did it happen in 2021 during a worldwide pandemic no less? Because it was opposite of Trump. 

-Same with ok'ing Nordstream

-Same with refunding UNRWA.

-Same with taking Houthis off the terror list.

-Same with giving Iran billions of seized assests.

It's like watching a child revolt against a parent. Do the opposite no matter how destructive. 

-Same with the "go green" trillions. Electric cars are the future, today!!! Ha!

Now we got jaded, vendictive Trump (geee, I wonder why?)  back at the helm and it's right back at ya at warp speed. Those same folks who aided and abetted illegal immigration while saying there is no border crisis are now breaking the law again. 

Hmmm, which side do I want be on? If I could, neither. But I know which is the worst!