Charlie Kirk - T & P thread

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/13/business/charlie-kirk-death-fired-comments

just giving guys a heads up. 

i dont have a stance on that as of yet.

Are you kidding me? This killer profile and motive was drafted up before Kirk was born - everyone knew within 5 seconds of his murder who would be blamed 

So their messages between each other helped FBI zoning in on the suspect - but the partner didn’t know the murders plans - that seems interesting - and maybe a bit contradicting 

It almost like someone that is brewing a lie up and don’t know how logics work - if you ask me

@Calde13

Would you expect anything less from a Trump picked government?

@unplucked_gem

What do we have? We have the Utah governor claiming

he was deep in leftist ideology even though his roommate

has stated he was into the groyper army ideology which

is far far right like nick fuentes right. So we have the president

pressuring the Governor and Fbi to pin this on democrats 

I had saw a picture of him online yesterday where he was rapping a traditional gay pride flag and a trans flag. Where's there's smoke, there's flames.

Somebody mentioned earlier about Kirk wearing a vest and the bullet ricocheting into his neck.  I just saw the close up video of him being shot and I agree, it looks like he was wearing a vest and the bullet tugged up on his shirt/vest first before going through his neck.  I think he may have survived the gunshot if he had NOT worn the vest.  The bullet would been too high for his heart.  It looks like it would have hit his collarbone area.  So the question would be if the bullet would have missed the major arteries.  Just unbelievable ...

Fox is not good at digging up the news, rather they report what's out there.

Google "Tyler Robinson has a transgender partner". Now look for the AP, USA Today, PBS, Time, New York Times?? 

This is pretty big news. Where are they? Where they always go when the narative is wrong. Time has a whole story on Yahoo right now, printed yesterday, about how the bullet casing inscriptions are so baffling, NOTHING about his relationships and partner. They're throwing smoke over the real news. And ya wonder why lefties come on here blaming Trump or gov of Utah. He's a groyper! These lefties don't get the real news. Like communist Russia in the 70's, Pravda didn't say so it's gotta be false. 

For me, the event is shocking enough, but then the media is more shocking. 

I hope we get a look at this T-1000. It better be the damn Marilyn Monroe of transsexuals to make a man shoot some dude just minding his own business.

Yeah I mentioned that  - and it is a 100% he wore a bulletproof vest because the bullet couldn’t ricochet like that if he hadn’t and you can’t hit someone at that angle if you are higher up than them when you shoot without it ricocheting - I don’t think he would have died either if he hadn’t wore a vest - but it is hard to tell

@Calde13

 Anything is possible. I'm a gun enthusiast, not a ballistics expert, but I will say this, that wasn't .223 he was shooting. 30 aught ain't boucing of a vest. Maybe not even with plates. And vests are bulky. It didn't look like he was wearing a vest. Maybe though.

Just asking so I know if we talk with the same knowledge or not have you seen the close up “kill video” - because it is not physically possible to hit someone at that angle if you are shooting at a higher point - just like you couldn’t hit someone through the bottom of their chin either etc. I know you know this so just saying to hit the point home - I wouldn’t advice most people to watch that video - but if you do it is pretty clear by the angle at impact that it had ricochet of from something and when a bullet change angle so much it can pretty much only be a bulletproof vest - then let’s say pretty certain rather than 100% 

@Calde13

 I did see the video. I didn't analyze if frame by frame to see the exact point of entry but it just looks like he got shot in the neck to me. And judging by the layout of the plaza I have seen, I don't see any issue making that shot.

And regular body armor isn't deflecting 30-06. I'm not even sure if plates are. Maybe level 3 or higher. A vest and plates is somewhat bulky. It didn't look like he was wearing a vest but maybe. 

I am basically not in doubt at all ! But it really doesn’t change anything - he is dead and no amount of analysing, and no amount of if and buts can change that 

Double post

@Calde13

 It will be interesting to see if the release that info. It does not look like he was wearing body armor in any of the pictures and video I saw.

No one is reporting it outside of Fox news because Fox is loose with facts because it is entertainment network and no one can confirm this person even exists. Legitimately no first hand accounts, no lease between the two supposedly sharing an apartment, no photos or videos of them together or the roommate at all, no communication between the two that the public has seen, no interviews or affidavit from this lover-roommate that no one has ever heard of in the family or seen. Only an authority official within the administration says they are lovers-roommates but not suspicious at all, especially considering on Friday Robinson lived at home with his family and was turned in by his father. However, by Saturday his trans-roommate was actually cooperating with authorities and was the key to the arrest. I mean who hasn't heard of a trans woman going by the name of Lance Twiggs living in Orem, Utah before??  These MAGA media outlets knows you gullible folks on the right will believe legitimately anything they feed you, regardless of how absurd it is. 

I think several people are reporting it. Let's keep it a buck. Are you questioning if there could be a trans person living in Orem, Utah? Are you questioning if this kid had a relationship with a trans person? Orem is still Orem, granted. The influence of the LDS church is as strong there as anywhere but as I said a couple days ago, Orem is much closer to Vegas than it is Salt Lake City. And it's a college town. And the dynamic of sparsely populated western states has changed in the last 10 years. "Outsiders" are moving in. Without Google, but having been through there many times, I can say Orem easily has 100K residents. If not, it's close. With Hurricane and some of those other smaller cities, the metro is probably over 150K. Honestly, do you really think there couldn't be a trans person in Orem, Utah?

@DeezyAZ81

 Fox is loose with facts ! That’s putting it friendly 

From my observations watching media other than Fox Robinson, appears to be rational and free from mental illness. He executed his plan with calm precision. No public theater of posts and mandates and, so far as we know, no bragging to associates. His actions indicate that he fully intended to survive the incident. He engaged in consultation with someone in the Church hierarchy and followed his advice.

Mormon rationality is a closed system that is not normal to the rest of society. LDS is not a democracy and it is not a debating club. It’s a beehive of believers. Robinson may have felt the pressure of a revelation. Whatever the facts I doubt it maps to the Liberal/Maga trope. I’d expect something more complicated. It will be interesting to see what trial balloons the defense lawyers float.

*St.George.

Sorry, little out of it. Orem, where the assassination occurred, is in what I call the Salt Lake super region.

St.George, where the killer was from, and where he lived,  is in the extreme south of the state. Near the border with both Arizona and Nevada. St.George is about 3 hours or so from Orem, straight up 15. Just so there's no confusion.

@joe pockets

Not a single American news outlet besides Fox News was reporting it and they are already retracting the story tonight on television. Turns out Lance Twiggs is actually a real person but Fox is no longer sure he is a roommate or the supposed "lover" (although unsure of his real age). Fox News is now walking back that the "lover" is trans and is just a furry boyfriend instead that lived with Robinson. This is seriously the most inept infotainment outlet in mainstream media. They know their audience will believe anything they present and will not even think twice about factchecking or verifying sources. In doing a little digging and checking the actual social media accounts of Twiggs and his online communities he is a young gamer, skateboarder, and snowboarder (guessing early 20s). He has potential links to Fuentes (far rigghhhttt) community, which is known for trolling. It appears the right and the administration has fallen for the trolling. He does not appear to be a member of the LGBTQ+ or trans communities, but seems to be into some furry kink $hit. He is probably trolling and seeing how far Fox will go with this $hit so he can sue the shit out of the network and news outlets that drag his name and reputation without any actual research. Fox is known to spew bs and then have to pay out hundreds of millions in lawsuits afterward, maybe Twiggs is aware of this. Of course, there can be trans folks living in Orem, Utah. However, if you weren't questioning the credibility of Robinson's roommate conveniently being a trans woman named "Lance" Twiggs a day after he was arrested when that name was never mentioned the day of arrest or by any family, it's quite clear you will legitimately believe anything. The timing and tone of this "revelation" over the weekend was not suspicious or anything.  See these magas do not want to actually do any research or digging in fear that it will not align with the narrative they want to justify this conservatively Mormon raised young white man introduced to guys at a young age by his Trump loving family taking out one of their own.