Second response to follow shortly.
Yeah.....I had a hunch.
I believe there is validity to what you allege.
I've been on the fence for quite some time,though.
I can understand YOUR interpretation/analysis/belief.
I can't prove ANYTHING !
I respect your posts though,which is what I meant as the Movie Continuing: I think you raise substantive doubt.
Yeah.....I had a hunch.
I believe there is validity to what you allege.
I've been on the fence for quite some time,though.
I can understand YOUR interpretation/analysis/belief.
I can't prove ANYTHING !
I respect your posts though,which is what I meant as the Movie Continuing: I think you raise substantive doubt.
Nobody mentioned anything in this thread about three key points: the dumping of airline stocks in the days before, the withdrawl of WTC security guards before any impact, and the possibility of advanced thermite as explosives.
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Evidence of thermite being involved? Where is it?
WTC security withdrawls before impact, but hundreds of firemen and other folks enter the building and sacrifice their lives. Makes a ton of sense.
Nobody mentioned anything in this thread about three key points: the dumping of airline stocks in the days before, the withdrawl of WTC security guards before any impact, and the possibility of advanced thermite as explosives.
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Evidence of thermite being involved? Where is it?
WTC security withdrawls before impact, but hundreds of firemen and other folks enter the building and sacrifice their lives. Makes a ton of sense.
I believe there is validity to what you allege.
I've been on the fence for quite some time,though.
I can understand YOUR interpretation/analysis/belief.
I can't prove ANYTHING !
I respect your posts though,which is what I meant as the Movie Continuing: I think you raise substantive doubt.
Fair enough.
I believe there is validity to what you allege.
I've been on the fence for quite some time,though.
I can understand YOUR interpretation/analysis/belief.
I can't prove ANYTHING !
I respect your posts though,which is what I meant as the Movie Continuing: I think you raise substantive doubt.
Fair enough.
Here's a piece of it.
Here's a piece of it.
Should be tensile strength. Otherwise, spot on. Other explanations for the "explosions" compressed air excaping as the floors subsequently pancaked down.
Should be tensile strength. Otherwise, spot on. Other explanations for the "explosions" compressed air excaping as the floors subsequently pancaked down.
Originally Posted by steveshane67:
didnt read the entire thread, didnt want to risk getting an aneurysm reading all the CT BS.
im a civil engineer, the day after 9/11, in structures class, our professor told us an anecdote from the 80's. basically the CE community realized that skyscrapers would not be able to withstand an airplane collision. they were designed to face a great number of forces, airplanes not being one, so skyscrapers were then built with basically an interior corridor that would protect from a airplane strike.
to those claiming there were explosions in the lower floors. i wasnt there but i would bet a large sum of money that there were explosions. you know what caused them?? no, not TNT or gov't planted devices, but the F*CKING thousands of gallons of fuel that were on the plane!!!!! i really dont see why its a hard concept to understand. when the plane hit the tower, i would assume the fuselage leaked, gravity dictates the gas falls down. now you have all this gas collecting somewhere on the floors below and all you need is an ignition source and boom, explosion.
finally, to those that say the fuel doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel.... you dont need to completely melt the steel for it to fail, its not like it goes from perfectly normal, than all of a sudden hits a certain temperature and disintegrates. when the steel is heated, it loses compressive strength, the hotter it gets, the more strength it loses. just think of eating taffy on a summer day. when you first get it, it may be fairly rigid. leave it out in the sun for a while, and it becomes fairly squishy.
Originally Posted by Hutchemall;
"An educated person who basically says exactly what the experts say. "
Yeah that looked like a real educated answer.....Jet fuel found a way to escape the initial blast and waited for another source to ignite. Somehow it even made it's way to the basement.
What I would like to know is .....
How can the most secure building on the planet [ the pentagon ] NOT have a clear picture of a PLANE hitting the building?....Please tell me that it is confidential.
How could a pilot that could barely fly a 2 seater ....maneuver a huge passenger plane perfectly into a building about a foot off the ground when the law of gravity makes it impossible to do so without hitting the ground first at the velocity and angle shown?
How did such a big plane make such a tiny hole?
I read where there was about a 90 min. time span between when the U.S. became aware of planes being hi-jacked and the pentagon being hit......Where were the fighter jets and who was in charge of them?.....Oh yeah...Dick Cheney
It was sure lucky that Larry Silverstein got an insurance policy against terrorist attacks about 2 weeks earlier.
$7,000,000,000
"Pull It" IS a demolition term also.
Fire caused building 7 to come down like that.
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I'm not saying it was an inside job.....Just looking for reasonable answers.
Originally Posted by steveshane67:
didnt read the entire thread, didnt want to risk getting an aneurysm reading all the CT BS.
im a civil engineer, the day after 9/11, in structures class, our professor told us an anecdote from the 80's. basically the CE community realized that skyscrapers would not be able to withstand an airplane collision. they were designed to face a great number of forces, airplanes not being one, so skyscrapers were then built with basically an interior corridor that would protect from a airplane strike.
to those claiming there were explosions in the lower floors. i wasnt there but i would bet a large sum of money that there were explosions. you know what caused them?? no, not TNT or gov't planted devices, but the F*CKING thousands of gallons of fuel that were on the plane!!!!! i really dont see why its a hard concept to understand. when the plane hit the tower, i would assume the fuselage leaked, gravity dictates the gas falls down. now you have all this gas collecting somewhere on the floors below and all you need is an ignition source and boom, explosion.
finally, to those that say the fuel doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel.... you dont need to completely melt the steel for it to fail, its not like it goes from perfectly normal, than all of a sudden hits a certain temperature and disintegrates. when the steel is heated, it loses compressive strength, the hotter it gets, the more strength it loses. just think of eating taffy on a summer day. when you first get it, it may be fairly rigid. leave it out in the sun for a while, and it becomes fairly squishy.
Originally Posted by Hutchemall;
"An educated person who basically says exactly what the experts say. "
Yeah that looked like a real educated answer.....Jet fuel found a way to escape the initial blast and waited for another source to ignite. Somehow it even made it's way to the basement.
What I would like to know is .....
How can the most secure building on the planet [ the pentagon ] NOT have a clear picture of a PLANE hitting the building?....Please tell me that it is confidential.
How could a pilot that could barely fly a 2 seater ....maneuver a huge passenger plane perfectly into a building about a foot off the ground when the law of gravity makes it impossible to do so without hitting the ground first at the velocity and angle shown?
How did such a big plane make such a tiny hole?
I read where there was about a 90 min. time span between when the U.S. became aware of planes being hi-jacked and the pentagon being hit......Where were the fighter jets and who was in charge of them?.....Oh yeah...Dick Cheney
It was sure lucky that Larry Silverstein got an insurance policy against terrorist attacks about 2 weeks earlier.
$7,000,000,000
"Pull It" IS a demolition term also.
Fire caused building 7 to come down like that.
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I'm not saying it was an inside job.....Just looking for reasonable answers.
Since you want to answer like a smart-ass...let me oblige also...
1} How much of that 10,000 gallons do you think got to the basement?????
2} Are you serious????? The gov. grabbed the security tapes from a nearby hotel and gas station whithin a half hour. where are they????? You don't think every inch of the pentagon wasn't on camera?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs OOPS A couple of missing frames.
3} If the wings broke off....they wouldn't have disintegrated like the claims?????
Thanks for playing the guessing game Mr.Civil Engineer.....None of your answers make sense.
Since you want to answer like a smart-ass...let me oblige also...
1} How much of that 10,000 gallons do you think got to the basement?????
2} Are you serious????? The gov. grabbed the security tapes from a nearby hotel and gas station whithin a half hour. where are they????? You don't think every inch of the pentagon wasn't on camera?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs OOPS A couple of missing frames.
3} If the wings broke off....they wouldn't have disintegrated like the claims?????
Thanks for playing the guessing game Mr.Civil Engineer.....None of your answers make sense.
Since you want to answer like a smart-ass...let me oblige also...
1} How much of that 10,000 gallons do you think got to the basement?????
2} Are you serious????? The gov. grabbed the security tapes from a nearby hotel and gas station whithin a half hour. where are they????? You don't think every inch of the pentagon wasn't on camera?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs OOPS A couple of missing frames.
3} If the wings broke off....they wouldn't have disintegrated like the claims?????
Thanks for playing the guessing game Mr.Civil Engineer.....None of your answers make sense.
Since you want to answer like a smart-ass...let me oblige also...
1} How much of that 10,000 gallons do you think got to the basement?????
2} Are you serious????? The gov. grabbed the security tapes from a nearby hotel and gas station whithin a half hour. where are they????? You don't think every inch of the pentagon wasn't on camera?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs OOPS A couple of missing frames.
3} If the wings broke off....they wouldn't have disintegrated like the claims?????
Thanks for playing the guessing game Mr.Civil Engineer.....None of your answers make sense.
1) do you realize that if you throw a match into collection of over 10,000 gallons of gasoline, that the entire amount of gasoline would not explode.
So it went all the way to the basement?
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2) do you realize gravity pulls things towards the center of the earth (aka "downwards")
Did they teach that to you in Civil Engineer class?
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does the overwhelming evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon, ranging from the collateral damage on the ground, plane parts in the wreckage, rescue workers who pulled bodies out of the wreckage..... mean nothing since there isnt a video of a plane hitting the pentagon?
The most secure building on the planet has no video of a plane crashing into it....Imagine that.
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another quick google search about the 9/11 report claims that the plane hit the pentagon at an angle (meaning it wasnt straight on, aka 90 degrees) 1 wing hit the ground and sheared off (you probably need to look up the engineering definition of shear bc you arent smart) and the other wing was sheared off when it contacted the reinforced pentagon support columns. (remember how i was telling you that the section in question was originally supposed to be a library so it had to be constructed to withstand much larger loads than normal)
Sheared off and yet they still vanished in the blast.
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finally, you arent even american, dont you have some moose conspiracy theories you could be working on? i heard there were some deer screwing around in saskatchewan and they took all the 711 cameras
Spoken like a true American that is fumbling to save face because he can't give a legit answer to any questions.
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All I said about the subject was why is there no footage given to the public of a plane hitting the pentagon?................YOU defend that with crap on the lawn , and wings being sheared off and DNA .
You sure act childish for a Civil Engineer. Don't be so paranoid.....I didn't say it was an inside job.
1) do you realize that if you throw a match into collection of over 10,000 gallons of gasoline, that the entire amount of gasoline would not explode.
So it went all the way to the basement?
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2) do you realize gravity pulls things towards the center of the earth (aka "downwards")
Did they teach that to you in Civil Engineer class?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
does the overwhelming evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon, ranging from the collateral damage on the ground, plane parts in the wreckage, rescue workers who pulled bodies out of the wreckage..... mean nothing since there isnt a video of a plane hitting the pentagon?
The most secure building on the planet has no video of a plane crashing into it....Imagine that.
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another quick google search about the 9/11 report claims that the plane hit the pentagon at an angle (meaning it wasnt straight on, aka 90 degrees) 1 wing hit the ground and sheared off (you probably need to look up the engineering definition of shear bc you arent smart) and the other wing was sheared off when it contacted the reinforced pentagon support columns. (remember how i was telling you that the section in question was originally supposed to be a library so it had to be constructed to withstand much larger loads than normal)
Sheared off and yet they still vanished in the blast.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
finally, you arent even american, dont you have some moose conspiracy theories you could be working on? i heard there were some deer screwing around in saskatchewan and they took all the 711 cameras
Spoken like a true American that is fumbling to save face because he can't give a legit answer to any questions.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
All I said about the subject was why is there no footage given to the public of a plane hitting the pentagon?................YOU defend that with crap on the lawn , and wings being sheared off and DNA .
You sure act childish for a Civil Engineer. Don't be so paranoid.....I didn't say it was an inside job.
so your evidence of there being a conspiracy is there is no video of a plane hitting the pentagon????
yet you choose to ignore the massive amounts of other tangible evidence????
Where did I say there was a conspiracy?...ONE LAST TIME...On this subject I only asked why there was no video released of a plane hitting the pentagon. Shove your [massive amounts of other tangible evidence]....It has nothing to do with my question.
Now run along with your paranoid responses before they put this thread in the Box.
so your evidence of there being a conspiracy is there is no video of a plane hitting the pentagon????
yet you choose to ignore the massive amounts of other tangible evidence????
Where did I say there was a conspiracy?...ONE LAST TIME...On this subject I only asked why there was no video released of a plane hitting the pentagon. Shove your [massive amounts of other tangible evidence]....It has nothing to do with my question.
Now run along with your paranoid responses before they put this thread in the Box.
Where did I say there was a conspiracy?...ONE LAST TIME...On this subject I only asked why there was no video released of a plane hitting the pentagon. Shove your [massive amounts of other tangible evidence]....It has nothing to do with my question.
Now run along with your paranoid responses before they put this thread in the Box.
Where did I say there was a conspiracy?...ONE LAST TIME...On this subject I only asked why there was no video released of a plane hitting the pentagon. Shove your [massive amounts of other tangible evidence]....It has nothing to do with my question.
Now run along with your paranoid responses before they put this thread in the Box.
I have a better question....What do they have to hide?
Because of the aftermath of the crash there is doubt that it was a plane that crashed into the building.....Show the video and put the nay-sayers to rest.
I have a better question....What do they have to hide?
Because of the aftermath of the crash there is doubt that it was a plane that crashed into the building.....Show the video and put the nay-sayers to rest.
I have a better question....What do they have to hide?
Because of the aftermath of the crash there is doubt that it was a plane that crashed into the building.....Show the video and put the nay-sayers to rest.
I have a better question....What do they have to hide?
Because of the aftermath of the crash there is doubt that it was a plane that crashed into the building.....Show the video and put the nay-sayers to rest.
I've seen your act before....You hate Canadians and always assume what people are thinking instead of just getting to the point in question.
Wave your flag somewhere else ....I'm not gonna waste a lot of time helping you entertain yourself on a messageboard all day.
You should worry more about your southern border than the one to the north.
Go do the 3 things you do best....COPY - PASTE - COMPLAIN.
I've seen your act before....You hate Canadians and always assume what people are thinking instead of just getting to the point in question.
Wave your flag somewhere else ....I'm not gonna waste a lot of time helping you entertain yourself on a messageboard all day.
You should worry more about your southern border than the one to the north.
Go do the 3 things you do best....COPY - PASTE - COMPLAIN.
I've seen your act before....You hate Canadians and always assume what people are thinking instead of just getting to the point in question.
Wave your flag somewhere else ....I'm not gonna waste a lot of time helping you entertain yourself on a messageboard all day.
You should worry more about your southern border than the one to the north.
Go do the 3 things you do best....COPY - PASTE - COMPLAIN.
I've seen your act before....You hate Canadians and always assume what people are thinking instead of just getting to the point in question.
Wave your flag somewhere else ....I'm not gonna waste a lot of time helping you entertain yourself on a messageboard all day.
You should worry more about your southern border than the one to the north.
Go do the 3 things you do best....COPY - PASTE - COMPLAIN.
Yup....I got owned.You asked questions that have nothing to do with what I asked.
Go copy and paste something now.
Where is British Colombia?...Never heard of it.
WHOOPI
Yup....I got owned.You asked questions that have nothing to do with what I asked.
Go copy and paste something now.
Where is British Colombia?...Never heard of it.
WHOOPI
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