9/11 inside job?

Hutch - I've seen several documentaries with Engineers on both sides, the only one that came to my mind I tried to find it but didn't see where you could watch it online. It was a CBC Passionate Eye doc on 9/11, might have been the third towar specifically. If anyone can locate the video it is a fairly balanced doc.

Second response to follow shortly.

  Give me some time,cold.Damn ! I don't sit here in the forum...constantly.

I believe there is validity to what you allege.

I've been on the fence for quite some time,though.

I can understand YOUR interpretation/analysis/belief.
I can't prove ANYTHING !

I respect your posts though,which is what I meant as the Movie Continuing: I think you raise substantive doubt.

Where did I say the firemen that went in after were cowards or liars? They are not.

But just because Security was told to stand down/withdraw before first impact, what does that have to do with what happened after? Assuming this is the case, security would be the only ones acting in advance, but even then why would they even be told why* they are withdrawing, so they still wouldn't be in on the conspiracy, and anybody else would be completely innocent (firement etc.).

Fair enough. 

Here's a piece of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CeUHLA_O6k

2;45 INTO THIS IS A FIREMAN UP WHERE THE FIRE IS.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0Ms7mId34&NR=1

no, tensile strength is the ability to withstand forces pulling on something.  compressive strength is the ability to withstand forces pushing on something.

when you load a column, thats compressive

when you hang from a rope, thats tensile

random side fact, concrete has approximately the same compressive strength as steel.

1) you obviously have no idea how gasoline "fires" work.  the liquid fuel itself doesnt burn, its the vapors.  you dont really think that over 10,000 gallons of fuel exploded in the seconds after the plane hit the tower do you?????

2) are there cameras pointed at every portion of the pentagon 24/7? if so, where are the pictures of the pentagon where the plane hit before 9/11

also, the pentagon is the worlds largest office building, its not like its your neighborhood library.

3) the plane, while it has a 124' wing span, is not 100% perfectly rigid.  ive never tested flying a plane into a building, but i would suspect that there is a high chance that the wings could break off from the main cabin

That's the point, Hutch -- the absence of evidence *is* the evidence. Hallmark of all conspiracy theories.

follow up, a quick google search on the pentagon gives this link

https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

about half way down youll see a bunch of collateral damage caused by the plane on the ground.  knocked over light poles, damaged cars, damaged fences, plane parts, AND EVEN SECURITY CAMERA FOOTAGE.  disregarding the security camera footage, you really believe that somehow the govt coordinated these other points of "destruction".  if so, ive got some jai alai games to bet with you

Seriously, the lengths people will go to in order to find some sort of "conspiracy" is completely laughable. Why do they take thirty steps to believe that it was an "inside job" when you only really need to take one simple step to realize that al-Qaeda, which had attacked US interests in the past, and had stated that they would continue to attack US interest, actually followed up on their threats and carried out an attack?

I think 9/11 conspiracy opinions are a very, very excellent brightline test for rationality and reasonableness.

Since you want to answer like a smart-ass...let me oblige also...

1}  How much of that 10,000 gallons do you think got to the basement?????

2} Are you serious????? The gov. grabbed the security tapes from a nearby hotel and gas station whithin a half hour. where are they????? You don't think every inch of the pentagon wasn't on camera?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs  OOPS A couple of missing frames.

3} If the wings broke off....they wouldn't have disintegrated like the claims?????

 

Thanks for playing the guessing game Mr.Civil Engineer.....None of your answers make sense. 

 

way to distract from the truth with more garbage

just answer these simple questions.

1) do you realize that if you throw a match into collection of over 10,000 gallons of gasoline, that the entire amount of gasoline would not explode.

2) do you realize gravity pulls things towards the center of the earth (aka "downwards")

3) if you answered yes to questions 1 and 2, you surely can see how its more than conceivable, dare i say predictable, that there would be gasoline collected on the lower levels of the WTC.  if you answered no to either 1 or 2, you are beyond any help

now getting to your "points"

does the overwhelming evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon, ranging from the collateral damage on the ground, plane parts in the wreckage, rescue workers who pulled bodies out of the wreckage..... mean nothing since there isnt a video of a plane hitting the pentagon?

another quick google search about the 9/11 report claims that the plane hit the pentagon at an angle (meaning it wasnt straight on, aka 90 degrees) 1 wing hit the ground and sheared off (you probably need to look up the engineering definition of shear bc you arent smart) and the other wing was sheared off when it contacted the reinforced pentagon support columns. (remember how i was telling you that the section in question was originally supposed to be a library so it had to be constructed to withstand much larger loads than normal)

finally, you arent even american, dont you have some moose conspiracy theories you could be working on? i heard there were some deer screwing around in saskatchewan and they took all the 711 cameras

1) do you realize that if you throw a match into collection of over 10,000 gallons of gasoline, that the entire amount of gasoline would not explode.

So it went all the way to the basement? 

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2) do you realize gravity pulls things towards the center of the earth (aka "downwards")

Did they teach that to you in Civil Engineer class? 

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does the overwhelming evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon, ranging from the collateral damage on the ground, plane parts in the wreckage, rescue workers who pulled bodies out of the wreckage..... mean nothing since there isnt a video of a plane hitting the pentagon?

The most secure building on the planet has no video of a plane crashing into it....Imagine that. 

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another quick google search about the 9/11 report claims that the plane hit the pentagon at an angle (meaning it wasnt straight on, aka 90 degrees) 1 wing hit the ground and sheared off (you probably need to look up the engineering definition of shear bc you arent smart) and the other wing was sheared off when it contacted the reinforced pentagon support columns. (remember how i was telling you that the section in question was originally supposed to be a library so it had to be constructed to withstand much larger loads than normal)

Sheared off and yet they still vanished in the blast. 

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finally, you arent even american, dont you have some moose conspiracy theories you could be working on? i heard there were some deer screwing around in saskatchewan and they took all the 711 cameras

Spoken like a true American that is fumbling to save face because he can't give a legit answer to any questions.

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All I said about the subject was why is there no footage given to the public of a plane hitting the pentagon?................YOU defend that with crap on the lawn , and wings being sheared off and DNA . 

You sure act childish for a Civil Engineer. Don't be so paranoid.....I didn't say it was an inside job. 

 

 

 

 

you keep going on about the freaking amount of gas in the basement.  i have no clue how much leaked down there, theres no way to predict that since there are about 100 factors determining that.  but to say that no gas got down there or only a little bit is just plain ignorant.

with respect to the wings, you do realize stuff becomes destroyed beyond "recognition" when there is a violent collision and explosion.

just take a look at the car crash in ohio from last week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpzk02QBGjE
at the end there isnt anything closely resembling a car door so i suppose by your logic the car must not have had doors....

you keep harping on this small relatively inconsequential details.  i may not have most complete scientific answers, i wasnt an investigator, i dont have intimate knowledge of the events, but the answers that are out there are pretty basic and easily verifiable.

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so your evidence of there being a conspiracy is there is no video of a plane hitting the pentagon????

yet you choose to ignore the massive amounts of other tangible evidence????

its a good thing the judicial system is nearly as demanding as you are or else hardly anyone would ever get convicted.

"does the overwhelming evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon, ranging from the collateral damage on the ground, plane parts in the wreckage, rescue workers who pulled bodies out of the wreckage..... mean nothing since there isnt a video of a plane hitting the pentagon?"

So out of curiosity... did we plant Osama Bin Laden as well?  Did they claim responsibility of the attacks because we paid them or planted them there?  Or did they just think it would be a fun time to be bombed by the United States and go to war with us?

Where did I say there was a conspiracy?...ONE LAST TIME...On this subject I only asked why there was no video released of a plane hitting the pentagon. Shove your [massive amounts of other tangible evidence]....It has nothing to do with my question.

Now run along with your paranoid responses before they put this thread in the Box.

I have a better question....What do they have to hide?

Because of the aftermath of the crash there is doubt that it was a plane that crashed into the building.....Show the video and put the nay-sayers to rest.

 

 

 

I assume the airlines were in on it as well considering they claim to have lost that flight?  And those who lost family on the flight are also in on it as well?

I've seen your act before....You hate Canadians and always assume what people are thinking instead of just getting to the point in question. 

Wave your flag somewhere else ....I'm not gonna waste a lot of time helping you entertain yourself on a messageboard all day.

You should worry more about your southern border than the one to the north.

Go do the 3 things you do best....COPY - PASTE - COMPLAIN.

Yup....I got owned.You asked questions that have nothing to do with what I asked.

Go copy and paste something now.

 

Where is British Colombia?...Never heard of it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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