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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 3:46 PM ET #1

    I was doing some reading about this being a possibility.  Some claim Bush owed a ton of money to some people in the building.  Some claim that the towers couldnt have come down from fire caused by the collision.  Just wondering what everyone else out there believes.  Personally if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck......
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    I was doing some reading about this being a possibility.  Some claim Bush owed a ton of money to some people in the building.  Some claim that the towers couldnt have come down from fire caused by the collision.  Just wondering what everyone else out there believes.  Personally if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck......
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:02 PM ET #2

    Stick to baseball
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:05 PM ET #3

    Did he owe money to some people at the Pentagon too?
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    Did he owe money to some people at the Pentagon too?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:06 PM ET #5

    this was only a few things i read.  not necessarily my opinion.  just wondered if anyone had anything intelligent to share on this matter?

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    this was only a few things i read.  not necessarily my opinion.  just wondered if anyone had anything intelligent to share on this matter?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:06 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by woopdurritis:

    Stick to baseball


    Have there been conspiracies in our history?

    Yes...

    Who the hell knows, I dont know..but I do believe some of what I read and saw regarding the other buildings going down soon after without being initially effected.

    You just love trying to bash other people when they make a topic or comment you disagree with, I have no idea why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woopdurritis:

    Stick to baseball


    Have there been conspiracies in our history?

    Yes...

    Who the hell knows, I dont know..but I do believe some of what I read and saw regarding the other buildings going down soon after without being initially effected.

    You just love trying to bash other people when they make a topic or comment you disagree with, I have no idea why.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:08 PM ET #7

    Oh geez, here we go again...
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:10 PM ET #8

    thats what im wondering as well.  it seems like there are a lot of different theories out there.  like you said, who the hell knows.  if it was in fact something our government did, it is truly sickening.
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    thats what im wondering as well.  it seems like there are a lot of different theories out there.  like you said, who the hell knows.  if it was in fact something our government did, it is truly sickening.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:15 PM ET #9

    You're really not gonna find anything "intelligent" on any 9/11 conspiracy website, Jose.
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:16 PM ET #10

    ok, thanks kap.  just bored at work
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    ok, thanks kap.  just bored at work
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:18 PM ET #11

    It's obama's fault.
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:21 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Have there been conspiracies in our history?

    Yes...

    Who the hell knows, I dont know..but I do believe some of what I read and saw regarding the other buildings going down soon after without being initially effected.

    You just love trying to bash other people when they make a topic or comment you disagree with, I have no idea why.


      Wall I have to hand it to you, you are my favorite mod here at covers.  Chasing around all the Republicans and Moderates than arguing and disagreeing with everything they say. 

    You come with a half decent argument that is one thing, you come spewing horse manure about how Bush blew up people in a building he owed money to, that is just laughable. 

    I know you like to bash and argue, but come on.  A conspiracy theory?  This is more of a joke you read on the internet
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    Have there been conspiracies in our history?

    Yes...

    Who the hell knows, I dont know..but I do believe some of what I read and saw regarding the other buildings going down soon after without being initially effected.

    You just love trying to bash other people when they make a topic or comment you disagree with, I have no idea why.


      Wall I have to hand it to you, you are my favorite mod here at covers.  Chasing around all the Republicans and Moderates than arguing and disagreeing with everything they say. 

    You come with a half decent argument that is one thing, you come spewing horse manure about how Bush blew up people in a building he owed money to, that is just laughable. 

    I know you like to bash and argue, but come on.  A conspiracy theory?  This is more of a joke you read on the internet
     
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    No problem, Jose... they are interesting to look at and think about, but I don't believe them or anything. Most likely explanation is the "official story" -- some hyped up Muslim fanatics from Saudi Arabia hijacked planes and killed a bunch of people. Sad.
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    No problem, Jose... they are interesting to look at and think about, but I don't believe them or anything. Most likely explanation is the "official story" -- some hyped up Muslim fanatics from Saudi Arabia hijacked planes and killed a bunch of people. Sad.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:21 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    It's obama's fault.


    Don't even joke about that or Wally will get extremely upset.  It is Bush's fault, or nobody's fault at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    It's obama's fault.


    Don't even joke about that or Wally will get extremely upset.  It is Bush's fault, or nobody's fault at all
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:32 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by woopdurritis:



    Don't even joke about that or Wally will get extremely upset.  It is Bush's fault, or nobody's fault at all


    At least you are consistent, wrong but consistent.

    Bush was the worst in my lifetime and I wont back off that comment, but where have I ever said that I think Obama is faultless?

    Keep working on the insults, you are not improving the quality lately.



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    Quote Originally Posted by woopdurritis:



    Don't even joke about that or Wally will get extremely upset.  It is Bush's fault, or nobody's fault at all


    At least you are consistent, wrong but consistent.

    Bush was the worst in my lifetime and I wont back off that comment, but where have I ever said that I think Obama is faultless?

    Keep working on the insults, you are not improving the quality lately.



     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:35 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    At least you are consistent, wrong but consistent.

    Bush was the worst in my lifetime and I wont back off that comment, but where have I ever said that I think Obama is faultless?

    Keep working on the insults, you are not improving the quality lately.





    So in your opinion, there is validity, or at least a real possibility that Bush owed money to some people and had the building blown up as a result? 


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    At least you are consistent, wrong but consistent.

    Bush was the worst in my lifetime and I wont back off that comment, but where have I ever said that I think Obama is faultless?

    Keep working on the insults, you are not improving the quality lately.





    So in your opinion, there is validity, or at least a real possibility that Bush owed money to some people and had the building blown up as a result? 


     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:36 PM ET #17

    Do you hear what i hear
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    https://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

    Read some of this and tell me it was an inside job.  You can barely find anything the conspiracy people say that is true.  The part about the plane hitting the pentagon made me laugh to be honest.  The CT's just spew out lie after lie after lie with no evidence. 

    I've read pretty much EVERY section of that report...FYI.  If you don't think it was terrorists, you are a complete chumbolone. 

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    https://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

    Read some of this and tell me it was an inside job.  You can barely find anything the conspiracy people say that is true.  The part about the plane hitting the pentagon made me laugh to be honest.  The CT's just spew out lie after lie after lie with no evidence. 

    I've read pretty much EVERY section of that report...FYI.  If you don't think it was terrorists, you are a complete chumbolone. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    https://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

    Read some of this and tell me it was an inside job.  You can barely find anything the conspiracy people say that is true.  The part about the plane hitting the pentagon made me laugh to be honest.  The CT's just spew out lie after lie after lie with no evidence. 

    I've read pretty much EVERY section of that report...FYI.  If you don't think it was terrorists, you are a complete chumbolone. 





    DING DING DNIG... someone with a brain enters the conversation
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    https://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

    Read some of this and tell me it was an inside job.  You can barely find anything the conspiracy people say that is true.  The part about the plane hitting the pentagon made me laugh to be honest.  The CT's just spew out lie after lie after lie with no evidence. 

    I've read pretty much EVERY section of that report...FYI.  If you don't think it was terrorists, you are a complete chumbolone. 





    DING DING DNIG... someone with a brain enters the conversation
     
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    Some claim that the towers couldnt have come down from fire caused by the collision.

    __________

    Read the section "World Trade Center."  It explains exactly how it happened.  The CT's talk about "explosions" coming out of the building before it collapsed.  Read about it.  It explains why it "loooked" like that, but why it wasn't that.  They completely explain the building 7 "mystery" as well. 

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    Some claim that the towers couldnt have come down from fire caused by the collision.

    __________

    Read the section "World Trade Center."  It explains exactly how it happened.  The CT's talk about "explosions" coming out of the building before it collapsed.  Read about it.  It explains why it "loooked" like that, but why it wasn't that.  They completely explain the building 7 "mystery" as well. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:48 PM ET #21

    This is a response to the accusation of CT's that it was a controlled demolition of the WTC.  Do you think it's possible based on what you read below?   I don't.
     
     
    The "controlled demolition"? No experts agree with you. There are many things these events could be consistent with. How many of these reports are NOT consistent with CD? Almost all of them, because they describe events well before the buildings collapsed. Does it make sense to start with the least likely explanation for the phenomena these people encountered? The sound I heard from the 18-wheeler's tire blowing out was consistent with a cannon firing, but did I go looking for cannons?

    Video now shows a controlled demolition of a brick building. It looks NOTHING like the towers as they came own, except for the dust at the end.

    Interesting that all these eyewitness reports are included when it seems that might help the conspiracy story, but hardly any corroborating eyewitness reports were included from the Pentagon and flight 93 crashes.

    Reader "Charlie" forwards this info about executing the controlled demolition of a large building:
    People do not understand the work involved in a controlled demolition. I have copied the information below from Controlled Demolition Inc's website. It shows the work involved in their world record (in terms of building height - 439 feet, or 134 meters), demolition of the J.L. Hudson building in Detroit:

    Homrich/NASDI's 21 man crew needed three months to investigate the complex and four months to complete preparations for CDI's implosion design. During that period, the lower two basements of the structure were filled with engineered fill and the perimeter basement walls bermed to 1st basement level with soil to support perimeter walls which would surely have failed under soil and hydrostatic loads once the horizontal support of the Hudson's internal structure was removed by the implosion.

    Double column rows installed in the structure between vertical construction phases, internal brick shear walls, x-bracing, 70 elevators and 10 stairwells created an extremely stiff frame. Columns

    weighing over 500 lb/ft, having up to 7.25 inch thick laminated steel flanges and 6 inch thick webs, defied commercially available shaped charge technology. CDI analyzed each column, determined the actual load it carried and then used cutting torches to scarf-off steel plates in order to use smaller shaped charges to cut the remaining steel. CDI wanted to keep the charges as small as possible to reduce air over pressure that could break windows in adjacent properties.

    CDI's 12 person loading crew took twenty-four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.


    Of course, the Twin Towers destroyed everything around them. I suppose the CD advocates would say that this is because it didn't matter how the towers fell.

    What none of them has been able to explain is how the work could have been accomplished, how it could have remained unseen, and how it could have withstood the damaged caused by the airplane crashes, explosions and fires.
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    This is a response to the accusation of CT's that it was a controlled demolition of the WTC.  Do you think it's possible based on what you read below?   I don't.
     
     
    The "controlled demolition"? No experts agree with you. There are many things these events could be consistent with. How many of these reports are NOT consistent with CD? Almost all of them, because they describe events well before the buildings collapsed. Does it make sense to start with the least likely explanation for the phenomena these people encountered? The sound I heard from the 18-wheeler's tire blowing out was consistent with a cannon firing, but did I go looking for cannons?

    Video now shows a controlled demolition of a brick building. It looks NOTHING like the towers as they came own, except for the dust at the end.

    Interesting that all these eyewitness reports are included when it seems that might help the conspiracy story, but hardly any corroborating eyewitness reports were included from the Pentagon and flight 93 crashes.

    Reader "Charlie" forwards this info about executing the controlled demolition of a large building:
    People do not understand the work involved in a controlled demolition. I have copied the information below from Controlled Demolition Inc's website. It shows the work involved in their world record (in terms of building height - 439 feet, or 134 meters), demolition of the J.L. Hudson building in Detroit:

    Homrich/NASDI's 21 man crew needed three months to investigate the complex and four months to complete preparations for CDI's implosion design. During that period, the lower two basements of the structure were filled with engineered fill and the perimeter basement walls bermed to 1st basement level with soil to support perimeter walls which would surely have failed under soil and hydrostatic loads once the horizontal support of the Hudson's internal structure was removed by the implosion.

    Double column rows installed in the structure between vertical construction phases, internal brick shear walls, x-bracing, 70 elevators and 10 stairwells created an extremely stiff frame. Columns

    weighing over 500 lb/ft, having up to 7.25 inch thick laminated steel flanges and 6 inch thick webs, defied commercially available shaped charge technology. CDI analyzed each column, determined the actual load it carried and then used cutting torches to scarf-off steel plates in order to use smaller shaped charges to cut the remaining steel. CDI wanted to keep the charges as small as possible to reduce air over pressure that could break windows in adjacent properties.

    CDI's 12 person loading crew took twenty-four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.


    Of course, the Twin Towers destroyed everything around them. I suppose the CD advocates would say that this is because it didn't matter how the towers fell.

    What none of them has been able to explain is how the work could have been accomplished, how it could have remained unseen, and how it could have withstood the damaged caused by the airplane crashes, explosions and fires.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 4:50 PM ET #22

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    So in your opinion, there is validity, or at least a real possibility that Bush owed money to some people and had the building blown up as a result? 




    Please re-read post 6 and answer this lame question yourself.


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    So in your opinion, there is validity, or at least a real possibility that Bush owed money to some people and had the building blown up as a result? 




    Please re-read post 6 and answer this lame question yourself.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Please re-read post 6 and answer this lame question yourself.




    The answer is you are not sure what to believe and you think that some of the buildings that fell couldn't have possibly fallen unless it was an inside job
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    Please re-read post 6 and answer this lame question yourself.




    The answer is you are not sure what to believe and you think that some of the buildings that fell couldn't have possibly fallen unless it was an inside job
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDZBgHBHQT8


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    The part about the pentagon is my favorite.  They try to say it was a different kind of plane by using the WRONG engine parts as comparison.  You can planely see that the wheel si from a 757 by doing a comparison as well.  It's comical.
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    The part about the pentagon is my favorite.  They try to say it was a different kind of plane by using the WRONG engine parts as comparison.  You can planely see that the wheel si from a 757 by doing a comparison as well.  It's comical.
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