9/11 inside job?

No problem; https://www.ae911truth.org/

Apparently 1267 architectural and engineering professionals disagree with the 'official story.'

Hutch, you seriously sound like a truly manipulated man, what're your thoughts on JFK's assassination?

 

sort of like the birth certificate...oh wait

the WTC in NY definitely happened. i was there and my building 10 blocks away shook when the second plane hit. there was no mistaking that

i have looked everywhere and NEVER seen an impact video of the pentagon hit. the gas station and hotel video were snatched immediately by the feds. i am not a truther but i know enough who are and they have tons of video and pics and reports on this thing

also, there was no wreckage on the ground. compare a 747 crash scene to what was at the pentagon no more than an hour later when the building was still smoking. there's nothing there. the fuselage didnt disintegrate with the heat because the grass would have been destroyed as well and it wasnt

i think i just want answers and truth (or maybe i dont)

all kinds of wreckage and collateral damage on the ground from the plane.  you are just hiding your head in the sand when you saw there isnt.

https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

you may not have explicitly said it was a conspiracy, but your posts and moronic questions can only lead someone with half a brain to believe you think it was some sort of conspiracy.

why dont you read your first post in this thread and tell me how that doesnt sound exactly like every other wack job conspiracy theorist.

wow, what a website. every question they posed about the twin towers can be easily explained by a giant fcuking plane flew into the building, setting off over 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, which, surprisingly, gets a little toasty, and melted the steel.  melted steel is not strong, the building collapsed on downward.  there would have to have been insanely powerful winds to knock the buildings on its side, or a giant crane pushing it.  since gravity was the only force acting on it, it acted in the same direction as gravity, which is straight down.

Actually, there are more accounts of finding plane wreakage at the Pentagon than at the Trade Centers, for obvious reasons.

I have also seen a video of the plane at impact. Let's leave it at that.

the nfl is fixed too

i read this whole thread and two things stuck out to me.

the guy chest thumping the stock markets rise to 10k after the fact, that never acknowledged the 55+% loss it took prior, and said i don't know how it happened and i don't care, all i know is " I made ""money"" " while my republican friend sat there missing out, as if to attribute something to the democratic party and Boama for this great financial blessing which was nothing but some hyper-dollar devaluation not really even in disguise, admits he has zero understanding of money, currency, or the economy, has all this time to 'research' wack a doo internet bloggers and conspiracy theorists about 9/11

AND, that only one person even mentioned Usama Bin Laden, woopderrtardis, in an incoherent post


So out of curiosity... did we plant Osama Bin Laden as well?  Did they claim responsibility of the attacks because we paid them or planted them there?  Or did they just think it would be a fun time to be bombed by the United States and go to war with us?

when the biggest conspiracy of all is the lie that 'they' keep perpetuating, that 'we' are somehow searching for the ghost of Usama Bin Laden

I find it very hard to believe that if the US gov wanted him found and or dead, that after damn near ten years that he is still alive and well, frolicking around the desert doing as he pleases. normal gov policy is to report what they want or need to be reported, then go back later and adjust the data more according to reality. So i wonder if at some point in the future, maybe during Obama's second term of war mongering, will 'they' come out and say oh by the way he's been dead since 2002.

Exactly, there are tonnes of engineers and experts in various related fields on both sides of this debate.

If you're not getting both sides of this debate when you're watching a doc or reading an article or whatever then you're getting some pretty biased shit.

But I'm obviously not suprised with this crowd.

Steve,

I understand the difference in the two forces.  We are talking about different failure points.

The trusses are in tension.  The beams are probably in tension unless the floor has a camber to it in which case they are in compression.

The failure of the floors occurred at the connection between the trusses and the beams.  The heat exceeded the plasticity limit of the steel and the load of flooe slab and contents exceeded the steel tensile capacity resulting in failure.  Same thing occurred at the connection between the beams and the columns.

As the upper floors began to pancake onto the floor below, the dynamic impact loads, not to mention the weight, exceeded the shear strength of the welds and bolts connecting the beams to the columns and the floors continued to cascade downward.

Certainly the heat from the fire also caused deflection and deformation in the columns weakening the entire structure which contributed to the deformation and failure.

you obviously did not visit that website, there are 1200 who signed a petition wanting an independent org to do the 911 commission.  theres a big difference between that and saying it wasnt airplanes that caused it.

no respectable engineer with credibility has said the planes did not cause the damage on 911

Bullshit. For sure there are. Just because you disagree, doesn't mean they all of the sudden lose their credentials.

I respect your opinion, but you act as if only engineers say it was planes, while "engineers" who say it wasn't are nuts, which is asinine.

I'm not in the field, I can't name names based on level of peer respect, but in basically every doc I've watched there were credible experts arguing both sides.

I'm too tired to really give a shit either way at this point, the damage has already been done. It doesn't matter who was behind it because the people who exploited the situation to the fullest did so at leisure regardless of whether or not they orchestrated it or not.

'How' the towers were brought down is not my real concern, but having said that, I do not believe the official version. Nor am I fully convinced by any of the other 'conspiracy' versions. Every version seems to have holes

    Greatest post ever 

 

I just asked for some answers to some of the events that took place that day and you keep harping about vapors and conspiracies.......I think maybe you have inhaled too many vapors of something......Makes you delusional and paranoid. 

 

  Civil Engineer....Choo-Choo  All aboard the Vapor Train

coldsnap,

you asked the same type of questions that only CTs ask and ignore the basic scientific answers.  you are a person whos mind is sooo narrow that you cant except proven verifiable facts.

my last post on this matter.

why is it that you can have all these wack jobs who will read the 9/11 commission and grasp, ignore the most clear evidence, but hang their hats on the smallest inconsequential details, yet when it comes to something that truly matters, like health care, they dont care to read or understand the details.

if these 9/11 CTs spent 1/2 as much time and effort questioning proposed legislation, the country would be a much much better place.  but then again, why read a bill when 'you need to pass it to find out whats in it'.

If the (bolded) actually made sense, and and said what I assume you mean, I would reply:

When will you understand that them problem isn't with what's included in the official 9/11 report, it's what's left out of it that matters.

sorry about that sentence, i typed one thing, then typed over it, and forgot to proof read.

it should have read

why is it that you can have all these wack jobs who will read the 9/11 commission, ignoring the clearest evidence, but hang their hats on the smallest inconsequential details,

to your comment,

i would rebut, what is missing from the report that makes it questionable?  ive never read the commission, but ive heard the scientific explanations and maybe its just bc im educated in a similar field that the commission makes sense to me and doesnt warrant extraordinary proof.

ppl talk about a video of a plane hitting the pentagon being withheld.  there are 1000s of pieces of evidence that prove a plane hit the pentagon, just for arguments sake, why is a video necessary? and what proof is there that a video actually exists that filmed the incident?

i know i said earlier that i was done posting, but i felt it necessary to correct my mistake when i screwed up the grammar on said post.

The secrecy and intentional stagnation of the 9/ll investigation indicates that something was trying to be swept under the rug.

This was an intentional step towards hyper-globalization, at the expense of the United States. Its all about the control of scarce resources, and not by the United States, but for international globalists.

Fresh water is the next oil. Why do you think the Bush Crime syndicate bought 100k acres next to maybe the world's largest aquifer? The Bush family and others like them care nothing about the common man or the US. And this has been happening for 3 generations and people are still too stupid-ignorant to connect the dots. "Dey don't like abortions and I dont eder, I tink vote fer bush".

I think most of you should line up for the flu shot.  Its gonna be gettin cold outside.  You dont want to get sick, do you?

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No worries

To your reply, I would say:

Just out of curiousity, why do you think we have seen the video of the planes hitting the WTC about a billion times, but the FBI confiscated any and all video for miles that might have shown what hit the pentagon, and did so within an hour or two? Why aren't they willing to release it?

Like I've said I don't really care and the damage has been mostly done, but there is just so much of the official story I don't believe, and so much that wasn't even investigated, that I will need to see proof, and a thorough independent investigation before I start believing what they've been trying to sell us.

There are more unanswered questions than answered ones. And it's been almost 10 years now. The time for action may have passed. 

The problem with this debate, is that we're either arguing the Bush administration (or some members of it) are either:

a) Incredibily evil

or

b) Incredibily ignorant

Which has led to me being labelled anti-American by the right wingers, who have indicated to me that their sense of blind patriotism is threatened by those of us mearly interested in the truth.

the reason why weve theres 'public' video of the 2nd WTC tower being hit is pretty obvious.  i would guess the reason why theres 'public' video of the 1st tower being hit would be random chance that someone was taping it.

ill ask it again, is there any proof that there are cameras pointed at the pentagon crash site (let alone on the entire building as others have claimed) during the time in question (let alone 24/7)?  or are the ppl who know what cameras filmed the incident in on the conspiracy too?

since there are so many unanswered questions, besides the purported pentagon video tape, name me 5 unanswered questions dealing with the destruction of the buildings, or even flight 93.  im sure there are many questions unanswered dealing with stuff in the middle east probably bc theres no way to know the answers.

i cant speak for right wingers, but my issue with the 9/11 "truthers" is their inability to accept scientific fact and to dismiss numerous pieces of evidence invalid just bc theres no smoking gun.

the vast majority of the "truthers" i have encountered seem to be scientifically uneducated.

take rosie odonell for example

“I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World Trade Center tower 7—building 7, which collapsed in on itself—it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade [Center] 1 and 2 got hit by planes—7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”

i guess rosie believes that steel comes out of the ground already in nice neat shapes and sizes.  and that if you drop load a column with more weight than it can handle, or if you knock out a column a the bottom of a building that it will stand upright.

 Richard Gage, AIA from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and Dave Thomas a physicist from New Mexicans for Science and Reason

"architects for truth."  Think they have an agenda?

So there are no "clean" shots of the plane hitting the pentagon.  PLEASE explain how they identified all but ONE of the bodies.  Were the engineers in on it?  The Techs?  Everyone in the Pentagon? 

My god.  Give it a break.  EVIDENCE please.